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Re: Teach your children well.....

Michael G. McCarthy
 

The "Mideast"...... I suppose if we think of Europe as the center of the
world then we can describe the world in terms of the Mideast, and the Far
East, and the West.

Why not call the region Southwest Asia, like we call our region North
America? Give every region its propers.

I'm not singling you out Serge. I think the presumption that Europe is the
center of the world is shared by many, and I think that's EXACTLY at the
heart of the problem. Imagine the perceive arrogance for our country to
call a couple of tall building on an island off North America the "WORLD
Trade Center." Harrumppphhhh......don't the people of "Southwest Asia" know
a thing or two about "trading?" Don't they have a history of trading that
goes back thousands of years? It's one kind of arrogance to call our
baseball playoffs the "World Series," it's another to place our culture at
the center of the universe.

I'm not sympathetic to the terrorist actions that occurred today. I'm not
even suggesting our culture is just as good or just as bad as any other
culture. Nonsense; our culture is the best in the world. I'm just saying
it's not about oil; it's about differing world views, and I'm trying to get
my own views straight when it comes to thinking about the happenings in
North America, and Southwest Asia.




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From: serge@...
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: Teach your children well.....
Date: Tue, Sep 11, 2001, 7:59 PM


--- In ev_update@y..., "Chase, Dale" <papillon@s...> wrote:

No easy answers. All I can think of is, "How do we break the
cycle of violence."
How about getting the hell out of the mideast? We probably lost today
in less than an hour about the same number of lives we lost in the
ENTIRE Vietnam war!

The ordinary Palestinians, and their children, are dancing in the
streets and smiling through the windshields of THEIR Eurovans! All
this to keep the price of gas for OUR Eurovans below $2/gallon?

This isn't about some small group of political leaders, or crazed
terrorists, that are angry at us. This is an ENTIRE population. And
they hate all of us, even the Eurovanners. It's long past time we, as
citizens of a democracy, took our heads out of the sand, and all
really looked at what we've done over there, what we're doing now, and
WHY they hate us SO much.

Serge
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Re: Teach your children well.....

Madeleine Dewar
 

Good Lord I hope you are wrong, but I fear....

Peace, Love and Serenity,
Madeleine

----- Original Message -----
From: Chase, Dale
To: 'ev_update@...'
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: [ev_update] Teach your children well.....


No easy answers. All I can think of is, "How do we break the cycle of
violence." I suppose the next news will be of bombing of mosques and
attacks on Mid-easterners in this country.

Dale


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael G. McCarthy [mailto:mgmccarthy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:37 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Teach your children well.....


I'm looking at a TV screen of cheering Palestinians, flashing Churchill's "V
for Victory" hand signal to a Western TV camera, from the front seat of a
EuroVan in Tel Aviv. The driver is wearing stylish bifocals. I've always
been a bit confused by revolutionaries carrying the tools of the enemy,
whether that be back-to-nature hippies singing along with 1000 watt stereos,
or cultural terrorists each wearing a Timex. Huh? I just don't get it.

My kids come home from school in three hours, and my wife is stuck in San
Jose for who knows how long. What exactly should I tell the kids? Let's
watch cartoons? That my secret wish that WWIII will come and go before they
are old enough to be drafted might be coming true?




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Re: Teach your children well.....

 

--- In ev_update@y..., "Chase, Dale" <papillon@s...> wrote:

No easy answers. All I can think of is, "How do we break the
cycle of violence."
How about getting the hell out of the mideast? We probably lost today
in less than an hour about the same number of lives we lost in the
ENTIRE Vietnam war!

The ordinary Palestinians, and their children, are dancing in the
streets and smiling through the windshields of THEIR Eurovans! All
this to keep the price of gas for OUR Eurovans below $2/gallon?

This isn't about some small group of political leaders, or crazed
terrorists, that are angry at us. This is an ENTIRE population. And
they hate all of us, even the Eurovanners. It's long past time we, as
citizens of a democracy, took our heads out of the sand, and all
really looked at what we've done over there, what we're doing now, and
WHY they hate us SO much.

Serge
2001 EVC "Beluga"
Re: Teach your children well.....

wiliam meyer
 

the world order has changed. the relative freedom and openness of
america has been challenged. now we must see how much we believe in
these values.
in order to preserve our openness we must immediately learn to fight the
new war against small bands of terrorists.
meanwhile, we must all steady ourselves and continue to learn how to be
better and more decent people. there is no other responce possible to
madness and violence.
i would prefer we had a goverment that did not seem so tied to the
expansion of multinational corporation as it's primary goal.
mercantilism is not an absolute value and neither is a cowboy mentality.

we no longer live in a wide open ignorant frontier society.
i advocate the values of humor, intelligence, and tolerance.
so, i have said this and will not comment again on this subject.
william
Re: Teach your children well.....

 

No easy answers. All I can think of is, "How do we break the cycle of
violence." I suppose the next news will be of bombing of mosques and
attacks on Mid-easterners in this country.

Dale

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael G. McCarthy [mailto:mgmccarthy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:37 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Teach your children well.....


I'm looking at a TV screen of cheering Palestinians, flashing Churchill's "V
for Victory" hand signal to a Western TV camera, from the front seat of a
EuroVan in Tel Aviv. The driver is wearing stylish bifocals. I've always
been a bit confused by revolutionaries carrying the tools of the enemy,
whether that be back-to-nature hippies singing along with 1000 watt stereos,
or cultural terrorists each wearing a Timex. Huh? I just don't get it.

My kids come home from school in three hours, and my wife is stuck in San
Jose for who knows how long. What exactly should I tell the kids? Let's
watch cartoons? That my secret wish that WWIII will come and go before they
are old enough to be drafted might be coming true?




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Re: Teach your children well.....

Tom Wilds
 

Glad to hear that your son is okay.

----- Original Message -----
From: <EVC95kayak@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ev_update] Teach your children well.....


In a message dated 01-09-11 13:01:19 EDT, you write:

<< I'm looking at a TV screen of cheering Palestinians, flashing
Churchill's
"V
for Victory" hand signal to a Western TV camera, from the front seat of a
EuroVan in Tel Aviv. >>

Well, that is certainly one way of keeping this "on topic."

sandy kramer who heard from her son (who lives in Lower Manhattan) at 11
am
and was able to heave a sigh of relief.




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Sorry to almost all

 

In light of today's events ... what more can be said?

--- Ooohlaa@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/11/01 3:43:00 AM,
rgordon0@... writes:

<< > Sorry I vented to the Group... Any one who
reads it
sould not take it personal.. I >>
No offense taken; however, anyone who has had even
pop psychology can
recognize that venting has to do with accumulated
stresses of all kinds, and
is most often done inappropriately. We have all
done it and it is very hard
to get back into the embrace of our victims without
a lot of work and
compassion. I don't really see any difference for
attacking the attacker
back, than the initial attack. None of us can
really cast the first stone,
for who has not "dumped" anger and resentment
inappropriately, then had to
clean it up later. Let's not continue to make this
person pay ... he
actually has stated the condition of the world at
large, and how we all get
caught up in our narrow pursuits, and forget to
smell the roses, and even
trample them. We all have egos to be managed so as
not to make being "right"
more important than everything else. He apologized
and was willing to humble
himself, which I personally found unecessary but
very decent of him. He made
a mistake of inappropriateness. Enough already.
Some compassion, please.
Barbara/Florida

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Teach your children well.....

Michael G. McCarthy
 

I'm looking at a TV screen of cheering Palestinians, flashing Churchill's "V
for Victory" hand signal to a Western TV camera, from the front seat of a
EuroVan in Tel Aviv. The driver is wearing stylish bifocals. I've always
been a bit confused by revolutionaries carrying the tools of the enemy,
whether that be back-to-nature hippies singing along with 1000 watt stereos,
or cultural terrorists each wearing a Timex. Huh? I just don't get it.

My kids come home from school in three hours, and my wife is stuck in San
Jose for who knows how long. What exactly should I tell the kids? Let's
watch cartoons? That my secret wish that WWIII will come and go before they
are old enough to be drafted might be coming true?
Re: Teach your children well.....

[email protected]
 

In a message dated 01-09-11 13:01:19 EDT, you write:

<< I'm looking at a TV screen of cheering Palestinians, flashing Churchill's
"V
for Victory" hand signal to a Western TV camera, from the front seat of a
EuroVan in Tel Aviv. >>

Well, that is certainly one way of keeping this "on topic."

sandy kramer who heard from her son (who lives in Lower Manhattan) at 11 am
and was able to heave a sigh of relief.
Re: OFF TOPIC Sorry to almost all

Bennett
 

Thanks Barbara
that was well said and (I hope) a good way
to bring closure.

Kirk

----- Original Message -----
From: <Ooohlaa@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [ev_update] Re: OFF TOPIC Sorry to almost all



In a message dated 9/11/01 3:43:00 AM, rgordon0@... writes:

<< > Sorry I vented to the Group... Any one who reads it
sould not take it personal.. I >>
No offense taken; however, anyone who has had even pop psychology can
recognize that venting has to do with accumulated stresses of all kinds,
and
is most often done inappropriately. We have all done it and it is very
hard
to get back into the embrace of our victims without a lot of work and
compassion. I don't really see any difference for attacking the attacker
back, than the initial attack. None of us can really cast the first
stone,
for who has not "dumped" anger and resentment inappropriately, then had to
clean it up later. Let's not continue to make this person pay ... he
actually has stated the condition of the world at large, and how we all
get
caught up in our narrow pursuits, and forget to smell the roses, and even
trample them. We all have egos to be managed so as not to make being
"right"
more important than everything else. He apologized and was willing to
humble
himself, which I personally found unecessary but very decent of him. He
made
a mistake of inappropriateness. Enough already. Some compassion, please.
Barbara/Florida




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Fabric protection/cleaning - Thanks!

Mark Franz
 

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I tried them out on the
other car - a '94 Chevy Lumina sedan, 163000 miles - and the results
were pretty good. Too good, in fact. Now I have 'clean' spots
instead of dirt spots! Didn't realize how much dirt there was to
begin with.

Thanks too to Barbara for sharing her experience with the
inconsiderate grease monkey....


Mark
'01 EV GLS
99 EV on eBay

Madeleine Dewar
 

Item #: 595328611
Title: Volkswagen:Van EUROVAN L@@K RARE EUROVAN,LOW MILES!!
Price: $8,000.00
Bids: 0
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Peace, Love and Serenity,
Madeleine
Re: 2001EVC not on the Level?

 

Are these, the Lynx Levelers and who is replacing them? Camping World? The
manufacturer wants $5.00 per piece to replace and you pay to ship.




"I've broken two, but they replace them at no charge."
Serge 2001 EVC "Beluga"
Irfanview (Was:OFF TOPIC Attach pics)

 

Somewhere lost in the thread there was mention of file sizes and some posting of bit mapped graphics instead of jpegs.

Run, don't walk and go to and get their free utility before there are no more to download.

It's fast, small, quite functional and free. Comes in both English and German. Fast too. If you have a digital camera, it will display the file's EXIF data. Did I mention it's fast? Anyone who's put up with Photoshop's sluggish response will be quite pleased. This is the default viewer on my system for images.

-d
Irfanview poster boy.
Re: Irfanview (Was:OFF TOPIC Attach pics)

[email protected]
 

This led me to a wonderful series of graphic sites and is wonderful in itself
... not mac friendly, but makes me motivated to also get a pc and join some
of the wonderful resources of the microsoft world.
Barbara/Florida
Re: OFF TOPIC Sorry to almost all

[email protected]
 

In a message dated 9/11/01 3:43:00 AM, rgordon0@... writes:

<< > Sorry I vented to the Group... Any one who reads it
sould not take it personal.. I >>
No offense taken; however, anyone who has had even pop psychology can
recognize that venting has to do with accumulated stresses of all kinds, and
is most often done inappropriately. We have all done it and it is very hard
to get back into the embrace of our victims without a lot of work and
compassion. I don't really see any difference for attacking the attacker
back, than the initial attack. None of us can really cast the first stone,
for who has not "dumped" anger and resentment inappropriately, then had to
clean it up later. Let's not continue to make this person pay ... he
actually has stated the condition of the world at large, and how we all get
caught up in our narrow pursuits, and forget to smell the roses, and even
trample them. We all have egos to be managed so as not to make being "right"
more important than everything else. He apologized and was willing to humble
himself, which I personally found unecessary but very decent of him. He made
a mistake of inappropriateness. Enough already. Some compassion, please.
Barbara/Florida
Re: OFF TOPIC Sorry to almost all

Rick Gordon
 

And sorry you felt singled out. You just happened to be the lucky
person who posted pix - don't take it personally - I'm certainly not
mad at you or anything!

Sorry I vented to the Group... Any one who reads it
sould not take it personal.. I should of e-mailed to
the one or two who had a problem with two little pics
attachments If I mess any one up on their downloads
I'm sorry. I'm new at this . I'm hope the rest of you
can forgive me.
Re: OFF TOPIC Attach pics

Rick Gordon
 

Yowser, I quit reading mail for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose!

I don't know why the rant. I disabled binary attachments to the list
mainly for security reasons and to limit their effect upon people
with lower bandwidth connections. (I belong to too many lists and wasn't
aware they were still enabled on this one or I would have turned them off sooner.)

I don't really care if you stray off topic, especially if its
friendly discussion, but consider this: people subscribe to ev_update
mainly to talk about EV's. Now, maybe a lot of them like to talk about
bikes, cameras, or even koi for that matter, but consider all the people
who really could care less about those subjects, and really want to
read/talk about EV's. Now they have to sift through that much more
of, what is in effect, junk mail.

Hence I *suggested* that folks try to stay on the overall subject.
but you know, to a degree everyone on the list has to police it,
or vote with their feet by unsubscribing I guess.
I don't have the time nor the inclination to approve each message
for content.

oh, spell checkers and simple paragraphs make it a lot easier
to read this stuff.

At 7:33 AM -0700 9/10/01, tt Veiw wrote:
Sorry about the pics attachments You guys need to
CHILL OUT LOT of STUFF on this newsgroup is NOT
RELEVANT to Eurovans AT ALL !!!!! 99.998% has nothing
to do with me or my eurovan needs I enjoy reading the
personal exchange between most of you this is not Work
it for information that can be enjoyable.also if you
Tight neck Shirts are employers I'm sure your
employees all Hate you .... Take a class on Personal
Relations will you or is you total relationship exist
with Metal boxes with four wheels and comuptors that
you can set up to perform anyway you want ... We Out
here are real people with hearts minds and souls if
you don't understand what that last one is well look
it up. I just got my Ev back out of the shop for
2months I ask for advise and help Tips any thing that
might help me get home my van or someone who might or
had trouble with their 93 Eurovan A 93 with trouble
every 93 had trouble where were you folks I had only
one nice person offer any impute. I know lots of you
hade or have a"93" the rest of you were talking about
Bikes for DAYS Bikes!! Bikes??? BIKES!!!
BIKES>>>>Eurovan no it goes this way Eurovan is
greater in value> than Bike's
or CD"s or mac's We are here to help each other NOT
just to be SELFISH And get GET GET BUT YOU DO NOT CARE
RIGHT WHy ... why because you all don't take the time
to get to know each other beyond the EV .. we have
family's and kids with names and some don't have
family's or kids at home any more and are all
alone.....and then theres the I got a 2000 EV No I got
a 2001 EV... Well I got a 2001 EVC so us poor folk out
here with OLD 1993 are to sit back and wait for scraps
to fall from the Masters table????? There is lots of
OFF TOPIC talk and lots or NON-RELEVANT subjects we
will all learn something about each other. Truly out
of One hundred or more E-mails that we receive over
the weekend How many are so vital to you! or your 2001
EVC right then??? How the poor guy doing that broke
down last week in some town waiting by the side of the
road for someone to help?????? how about the person
who was on atrip and could not find tires to fix a
flat. that E-Mailed this ev group for help ?????? !!!!
I didn't see one response I didn't know the any info
that would help where were you all Know it alls??? I
had a flat on the way to Maine this summer I worked it
out I know better than to ask you all for advise. I'd
still be sitting there. with my newborn baby it the
car seat Car seat you'll talk about for days and Days
and days.... But a new born baby born at home Born
UNDERWATER in a SWIMMING Pool to happy parents with
the other girls there to watch there new baby sister
be born we thought it was going to be a boy but it was
a girl so much for modern scanning I will not send any
more pictures... of my kids or my old 1993 Eurovan
that been a blessing to my family... I wouldn't want
you to miss any part of a string on when to put you Cd
changer... or how much air to put in your tires how
about putting RainX on you side
mirrors???RELEVANT!!!!! what are you robots are
Vulcans??????? Well I vented I guess Some of you
deserve each other But WE ALL DON"T DESERVE YOU COLD
HEARTED.... And my wife thought I was a Cold
impersonal GERMAN HA Live long and Prosper you Cold
green blooded Vulcans but remember sometimes the
needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or
the one... Robert William Knop I found for my other
car my 928 PORSCHE the news group and many web site to
be ever more helpful and supportive and caring! Funny
I've had it wrong all these years. after 37
Volkswagens And 3 Porsche's I all ways thought the VW
People were the Humble nice personable types I guess
times have changed. maybe there is a underlining
Nazism here some where?. I Hope Not Have A GREAT DAY
. TT






Rick Gordon <rgordon0@...> wrote:
I think in general that attaching pictures to email
messages sent to
a mailing list is rude. Especially when they don't
contain content
relevant to the list.
Both for security reasons (downloading binary
content is always
risky) and for the fact that everyone has a
broadband connection.

As your occasionally-present moderator, I would ask
you to refrain
from further attachments - put them in the files
area please.

(Now if we would all switch away from using HTML
messages we wouldn't
have those annoying advert pix at the end of many
messages!)

Also, there's a lot of material on this list - i
would suggest
limiting the off-topic subjects. There are plenty of
lists &
newsgroups discussing
digital cameras. (I'm fond of the Coolpix 990
myself.)

At 9:42 AM -0400 9/7/01, Michael G. McCarthy wrote:
>Can you convert the file to a .jpeg or a .gif file?
If it's a
>"small pic" and Yahoo is saying it's too big then
it must be of a
>file type that's BIG.....life a .tif file, for
example. Convert it
>too something smaller (you won't lose any
resolution for web
>viewing).
>
>----------
>From: tt Veiw <ttopveiw@...>
>To: ev_update@...
>Subject: Re: [ev_update] Attach pics?
>Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2001, 9:38 AM
>
>Well that rotts I tryed to send a small pic of my
kids
>and my new car yahoo said file was to big if I made
it
>any smaller it would be a thumbnail SAD.
>--- "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@...>
>wrote:
>> It's allowed by Yahoo but the etiquette of this
>> group has been to use the
>> file section since file attachments can be
>> inconvenient in certain
>> situations.
>>
>> ----------
>> From: "Paul Blanchette" <98buggy@...>
>> To: <ev_update@...>
>> Subject: [ev_update] Attach pics?
>> Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2001, 9:08 AM
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if Yahoo allows us attached
pics to
>> our emails? I've
>> noticed that if people from the group have pics
they
>> post them in file
>> section.
>> Paul
>> 01EVMV
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Re: OFF TOPIC Attach pics

IronWood Designs
 

I remember my first pot of coffee.

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Re: Fresh air blower on high will not work

IronWood Designs
 

Folks,

Thanks for the input. Sounds like I'm not the only one.

Here's an update: it seems like I fixed this by removing the relay, taking
its cover off, and cleaning the little contacts. They were pretty carboned
up (sort of like lawnmower points) so I slid 600 grit sandpaper between them
and cleaned them up. Blew it all off with compressed air and now it works
fine. I hope it lasts.

Stevie-z
'93 EV GL
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