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Re: Royal live center

 

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I used the same bearing, good clean up and new grease did the trick.

A good new bearing isn't real cheap. McMaster has them around $40.00 for the 3202 open bearing, Chinese are cheaper but......

I have a Czech made center that's ok but wanted to use the original!

Dave

On January 6, 2019 at 9:19 AM Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> wrote:

Nice job Dave
Looks like new again. Did you make sure you have the proper bearing a pressure bearing ? How much was the bearing. I have a live center I made years ago need to replace bearing on it

GP

apart as you may have noticed!
I drilled and tapped two 10-32 holes in the front cover plate and used a slide hammer to
pull it out, not necessary as that didn't really help in
the end and I had to make a new replacement!
Anyway, the od of
the point on mine is around .740. Put a 3/4" shaft
collar on it leaving a gap between that and the body and use
2 screwdrivers/ pry bars, whatever to extract the tip.The shank is separate, use maybe a 1/2"
diameter pin to push that out. I used my 10 ton Dake screw
press, it's on a taper so when it pops, it's out.
Put a box of rags or something under it so it doesn't
get damaged.Then flip it over and use
something around 5/8" diameter to press out the bearing
along with the front cover. Easy!
It uses a double row angular
contact bearing, 3202 I believe. I was able to remove the
cages intact for a good cleaning.Old
hardened grease was the problem. Looks almost new and runs
like new.?Polish everything
up and put it back together. I first used NLGI #2, had to do
it again, too much drag so I switched to a Lithium #1. Shell
Gadus S3 V220C1 to be exact, couple dollars at McMaster. I
love that place and they're about 2 miles from my house!
Don't use white lithium and don't over pack.
My youngest son
was USAF, now he's Air National Guard and a high school
"industrial technology" teacher, AKA machine
shop.?
Hope
this helps.
Dave
On January 5, 2019
at 7:21 PM "Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io"
<wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

I may have something at work
I can borrow, if necessary. I've made some small parts
for them, so my boss is good about loaniong tools. Get
yourself settled, and take your time. I retired from the
USAF over 20 years ago, but still remember being jetlagged
after getting home from some long trips.


Bill in OKC
--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 1/5/19, Dave Matticks
<dpm100@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live
center
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, January 5, 2019, 6:40 PM

Hi
Bill, I
have more pics and can tell you the first

try way and the easy way to get it apart! Just
got home from Iceland yesterday but I'll
try to do
something tomorrow.? Mine is
nice and smooth now
and runs out less than
.0002". You're
going to have to
invest in a 3/4" 2 piece shaft collar

though, 1 piece clamp on could work as well. Set screw
collars are garbage. Dave



Sent from
my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original
message --------From:
"Bill in OKC too via
Groups.Io"
<wmrmeyers@...>

Date: 1/5/19 18:16 (GMT-06:00) To:

[email protected] Subject: Re:

[atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center

Dave,I
only see one pic, and I'm VERY
interested because I got
one with my SB
10L lathe, and mine is more than "a

little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open

barn. More photos would be welcome. More
info on how you got
it apart, too. Mine
spent a few days soaking in evaporust

after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I

have a small arbor press in the home shop,
and a 20-ton HF
hydraulic press available
at work. Looks like I'll need
a new
bearing, from your photo.?


Thanks for a really timely

post!
Bill
in OKC



On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:50
PM, Dave

Matticks<dpm100@...> wrote:

Hi guys,?
I have a Royal
Products , Regal live center that either came
with or was
purchased along with my
dad's lathe. Whatever, first one
I
ever used.?
Recently rebuilt it. Nothing

wrong except for the crunchy bearings due
to dried up?
grease.?

Couple pics of the process.?

Dave
Re: Royal live center

 

Nice job Dave
Looks like new again. Did you make sure you have the proper bearing a pressure bearing ? How much was the bearing. I have a live center I made years ago need to replace bearing on it

GP

apart as you may have noticed!
I drilled and tapped two 10-32 holes in the front cover plate and used a slide hammer to
pull it out, not necessary as that didn't really help in
the end and I had to make a new replacement!
Anyway, the od of
the point on mine is around .740. Put a 3/4" shaft
collar on it leaving a gap between that and the body and use
2 screwdrivers/ pry bars, whatever to extract the tip.The shank is separate, use maybe a 1/2"
diameter pin to push that out. I used my 10 ton Dake screw
press, it's on a taper so when it pops, it's out.
Put a box of rags or something under it so it doesn't
get damaged.Then flip it over and use
something around 5/8" diameter to press out the bearing
along with the front cover. Easy!
It uses a double row angular
contact bearing, 3202 I believe. I was able to remove the
cages intact for a good cleaning.Old
hardened grease was the problem. Looks almost new and runs
like new.?Polish everything
up and put it back together. I first used NLGI #2, had to do
it again, too much drag so I switched to a Lithium #1. Shell
Gadus S3 V220C1 to be exact, couple dollars at McMaster. I
love that place and they're about 2 miles from my house!
Don't use white lithium and don't over pack.
My youngest son
was USAF, now he's Air National Guard and a high school
"industrial technology" teacher, AKA machine
shop.?
Hope
this helps.
Dave
On January 5, 2019
at 7:21 PM "Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io"
<wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

I may have something at work
I can borrow, if necessary. I've made some small parts
for them, so my boss is good about loaniong tools. Get
yourself settled, and take your time. I retired from the
USAF over 20 years ago, but still remember being jetlagged
after getting home from some long trips.


Bill in OKC
--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 1/5/19, Dave Matticks
<dpm100@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live
center
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, January 5, 2019, 6:40 PM

Hi
Bill, I
have more pics and can tell you the first

try way and the easy way to get it apart! Just
got home from Iceland yesterday but I'll
try to do
something tomorrow.? Mine is
nice and smooth now
and runs out less than
.0002". You're
going to have to
invest in a 3/4" 2 piece shaft collar

though, 1 piece clamp on could work as well. Set screw
collars are garbage. Dave



Sent from
my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original
message --------From:
"Bill in OKC too via
Groups.Io"
<wmrmeyers@...>

Date: 1/5/19 18:16 (GMT-06:00) To:

[email protected] Subject: Re:

[atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center

Dave,I
only see one pic, and I'm VERY
interested because I got
one with my SB
10L lathe, and mine is more than "a

little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open

barn. More photos would be welcome. More
info on how you got
it apart, too. Mine
spent a few days soaking in evaporust

after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I

have a small arbor press in the home shop,
and a 20-ton HF
hydraulic press available
at work. Looks like I'll need
a new
bearing, from your photo.?


Thanks for a really timely

post!
Bill
in OKC



On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:50
PM, Dave

Matticks<dpm100@...> wrote:

Hi guys,?
I have a Royal
Products , Regal live center that either came
with or was
purchased along with my
dad's lathe. Whatever, first one
I
ever used.?
Recently rebuilt it. Nothing

wrong except for the crunchy bearings due
to dried up?
grease.?

Couple pics of the process.?

Dave
Re: Royal live center

 

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Hi Bill,

Here we go.

It's not real obvious how to take these guys apart as you may have noticed!


I drilled and tapped two 10-32 holes in the front cover plate and used a slide hammer to pull it out, not necessary as that didn't really help in the end and I had to make a new replacement!


Anyway, the od of the point on mine is around .740. Put a 3/4" shaft collar on it leaving a gap between that and the body and use 2 screwdrivers/ pry bars, whatever to extract the tip.

The shank is separate, use maybe a 1/2" diameter pin to push that out. I used my 10 ton Dake screw press, it's on a taper so when it pops, it's out. Put a box of rags or something under it so it doesn't get damaged.

Then flip it over and use something around 5/8" diameter to press out the bearing along with the front cover. Easy!


It uses a double row angular contact bearing, 3202 I believe. I was able to remove the cages intact for a good cleaning.

Old hardened grease was the problem. Looks almost new and runs like new.

?

Polish everything up and put it back together. I first used NLGI #2, had to do it again, too much drag so I switched to a Lithium #1. Shell Gadus S3 V220C1 to be exact, couple dollars at McMaster. I love that place and they're about 2 miles from my house! Don't use white lithium and don't over pack.


My youngest son was USAF, now he's Air National Guard and a high school "industrial technology" teacher, AKA machine shop.?


Hope this helps.


Dave


On January 5, 2019 at 7:21 PM "Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io" <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

I may have something at work I can borrow, if necessary. I've made some small parts for them, so my boss is good about loaniong tools. Get yourself settled, and take your time. I retired from the USAF over 20 years ago, but still remember being jetlagged after getting home from some long trips.

Bill in OKC
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 1/5/19, Dave Matticks <dpm100@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, January 5, 2019, 6:40 PM

Hi
Bill, I have more pics and can tell you the first
try way and the easy way to get it apart! Just
got home from Iceland yesterday but I'll try to do
something tomorrow.? Mine is nice and smooth now
and runs out less than .0002". You're
going to have to invest in a 3/4" 2 piece shaft collar
though, 1 piece clamp on could work as well. Set screw
collars are garbage. Dave


Sent from
my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original
message --------From: "Bill in OKC too via
Groups.Io" <wmrmeyers@...>
Date: 1/5/19 18:16 (GMT-06:00) To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center
Dave,I
only see one pic, and I'm VERY interested because I got
one with my SB 10L lathe, and mine is more than "a
little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open
barn. More photos would be welcome. More info on how you got
it apart, too. Mine spent a few days soaking in evaporust
after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I
have a small arbor press in the home shop, and a 20-ton HF
hydraulic press available at work. Looks like I'll need
a new bearing, from your photo.?


Thanks for a really timely
post!
Bill
in OKC



On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:50 PM, Dave
Matticks<dpm100@...> wrote:
Hi guys,?
I have a Royal
Products , Regal live center that either came with or was
purchased along with my dad's lathe. Whatever, first one
I ever used.?
Recently rebuilt it. Nothing
wrong except for the crunchy bearings due to dried up?
grease.?
Couple pics of the process.?
Dave
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

VFD's
A VFD up 3 Hp is reasonable priced Over 3Hp they get pricy. Yes you can drive a small Hp motor with a higher Hp rated VFD. You can also dial in the speed of the motor with the proper VFD

GP

--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 1/6/19, cwlathes <carvelw@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2019, 9:46 AM

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#yiv1056652571 Hi Bill,

?That is very curious .

My post war Atlas catalogue lists only 1/3 and
? HP motors ( single and 3 phase ) for the 10” lathe (
see below )

I wonder how
that came about – maybe one of our more knowledgeable
historians can assist :>)

With regard to the VFD , my understanding is
that a smaller VFD can drive a larger motor provided the
current limit of the VFD is not exceeded, and a larger VFD
can drive a smaller motor provided the current limit of the
motor is not exceeded – but I speak under correction ,

?Keep well,
?Carvel
? ?From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 January 2019 10:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO]
Finally workbench for my lathe ?Don't know about that.
The serial number card says it was shipped with a 3/4hp 1ph
1725 rpm motor. And a 3/4hp VFD might not be able to turn a
motor rated for 2hp at all. And the motor is physically
large enough it could be a 3HP motor. I don't know a lot
about 3phase motors, but I work with them, so have been
reading up on them. My equipment that I work on has quite a
variety of motors, many 3 phase, and rated from 1/4HP to
60HP. I've still got a lot of parts to derust, paint,
and put back together, so I'm not in a great hurry at
the moment. Get down to the last couple of parts, it will
get more urgent, though, I do suspect! ;) ?Bill in OKC ?On Sunday, January 6, 2019,
1:48:59 AM CST, cwlathes <carvelw@...>
wrote:
?
?Morning
Bill,

The VFD doesn’t
HAVE to be matched to the motor power wise , as long as it
can deliver enough power for your needs . . . .

In other words , if you
happened to come across a VFD capable of driving a ? HP
motor , and your mystery motor was rated at 1HP , all it
would mean is that you would be limited to drawing ? of its
capacity which would probably be more than adequate given
that the original motors for this lathe were 1/3 or ? HP
?Regards,
?Carvel
?From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 January 2019 06:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO]
Finally workbench for my lathe?I'm
thinking a 3/4hp 3ph motor and VFD for mine, as my 10L
originally shipped with a 1725rpm 3/4hp 1ph motor.
Everything I've read or heard about the Teco VFD's
seem to indicate they're the smart move. Haven't had
much luck finding anything for less than about $3-400 for
the combination, plus shipping.??The
lathe came with a 3ph motor without a data plate. Old but
not quite as rusty as the rest of the lathe. I have a
contact tachometer so could find out what speed it is, but
I'd have to take it to work to get power to test it. Did
borrow their megger, no leakage or shorts at 1kv. If I knew
what hp it's rated for I could just buy the VFD. I have
220vac power in the shop at one location, could extend it.
Or move the lathe to it.??I
gave up on my HF tool chest as a stand for my Atlas TH42. It
is just a bit too long, and also too wide for the "42
inch" tool box. That is 42 inches including the handle.
40 inches long x 18 inches deep, about a 3/4"lip on
back and sides. I got it just before they came out with the
22" deep tool chests, of course. So it's going to
be a tool chest. With tools in it. Imagine that!
:)?The
table is one I've mentioned here before. It's 3'
x 8', 1/8" steel top, now with 1" of Baltic
birch plywood on top of the steel. I need to get the drip
pan I told you about from under the Atlas MF Mill and put it
under the Atlas lathe. I have a new 2' x 3' drip pan
for the mill, and another for the Lewis shaper. I've
been planning on putting that on the table with the lathe
and mill, but I'm wondering if that is such a good idea.
I've only run the shaper once, and promptly took it back
off the heavy steel file cabinet I'd mounted it on. Lots
of momentum there as the ram moves back and forth. Probably
do bad things to the fine finish on a part turned while it
was running. :)?Bill
in OKC????On
Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:39 PM, Jody<jp4lsu@...>
wrote:So
the motor is a Baldor 3 phase 1/2 hp.I
picked it up new on ebay for real cheap. It was a steal of a
deal and made it much easier to justify the conversion. The
original motor was likely going to require a re-wire and
rebuild.?I
have a Teco 1/2 hp size VFD.? I've been real happy with
it and the technical support was very helpful with a direct
line to technicians.? I called them a few times with wiring
and programing questions...and they were very
helpful.???-Jody
(DFW)

-------- Original message
--------
From: mike allen
<animal@...>
Date: 1/4/19 10:14
PM (GMT-06:00)
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re:
[atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

any more info on yer motor
& controller ?

???
??? animal

On 1/4/2019
1:14 PM, Jody wrote:Bill,
Funny and stupid story, I set mine up with a
VFD with fwd/rev,
potentiometer, jog, and E
stop.

I tested the E stop
and was nevous that the thing would spin off.? I
actually need to make the stop not quite as
harsh.? But it didn't
fling off the
spindle thankfully.
-Jody
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

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Hi Bill,

?

That is very curious .

My post war Atlas catalogue lists only 1/3 and ? HP motors ( single and 3 phase ) for the 10” lathe ( see below )

I wonder how that came about – maybe one of our more knowledgeable historians can assist :>)

With regard to the VFD , my understanding is that a smaller VFD can drive a larger motor provided the current limit of the VFD is not exceeded, and a larger VFD can drive a smaller motor provided the current limit of the motor is not exceeded – but I speak under correction ,

?

Keep well,

?

Carvel

?

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 January 2019 10:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

Don't know about that. The serial number card says it was shipped with a 3/4hp 1ph 1725 rpm motor. And a 3/4hp VFD might not be able to turn a motor rated for 2hp at all. And the motor is physically large enough it could be a 3HP motor. I don't know a lot about 3phase motors, but I work with them, so have been reading up on them. My equipment that I work on has quite a variety of motors, many 3 phase, and rated from 1/4HP to 60HP. I've still got a lot of parts to derust, paint, and put back together, so I'm not in a great hurry at the moment. Get down to the last couple of parts, it will get more urgent, though, I do suspect! ;)

?

Bill in OKC

?

On Sunday, January 6, 2019, 1:48:59 AM CST, cwlathes <carvelw@...> wrote:

?

?

Morning Bill,

The VFD doesn’t HAVE to be matched to the motor power wise , as long as it can deliver enough power for your needs . . . .

In other words , if you happened to come across a VFD capable of driving a ? HP motor , and your mystery motor was rated at 1HP , all it would mean is that you would be limited to drawing ? of its capacity which would probably be more than adequate given that the original motors for this lathe were 1/3 or ? HP

?

Regards,

?

Carvel

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 January 2019 06:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

I'm thinking a 3/4hp 3ph motor and VFD for mine, as my 10L originally shipped with a 1725rpm 3/4hp 1ph motor. Everything I've read or heard about the Teco VFD's seem to indicate they're the smart move. Haven't had much luck finding anything for less than about $3-400 for the combination, plus shipping.?

?

The lathe came with a 3ph motor without a data plate. Old but not quite as rusty as the rest of the lathe. I have a contact tachometer so could find out what speed it is, but I'd have to take it to work to get power to test it. Did borrow their megger, no leakage or shorts at 1kv. If I knew what hp it's rated for I could just buy the VFD. I have 220vac power in the shop at one location, could extend it. Or move the lathe to it.?

?

I gave up on my HF tool chest as a stand for my Atlas TH42. It is just a bit too long, and also too wide for the "42 inch" tool box. That is 42 inches including the handle. 40 inches long x 18 inches deep, about a 3/4"lip on back and sides. I got it just before they came out with the 22" deep tool chests, of course. So it's going to be a tool chest. With tools in it. Imagine that! :)

?

The table is one I've mentioned here before. It's 3' x 8', 1/8" steel top, now with 1" of Baltic birch plywood on top of the steel. I need to get the drip pan I told you about from under the Atlas MF Mill and put it under the Atlas lathe. I have a new 2' x 3' drip pan for the mill, and another for the Lewis shaper. I've been planning on putting that on the table with the lathe and mill, but I'm wondering if that is such a good idea. I've only run the shaper once, and promptly took it back off the heavy steel file cabinet I'd mounted it on. Lots of momentum there as the ram moves back and forth. Probably do bad things to the fine finish on a part turned while it was running. :)

?

Bill in OKC

?

?

?

?

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:39 PM, Jody

<jp4lsu@...> wrote:

So the motor is a Baldor 3 phase 1/2 hp.

I picked it up new on ebay for real cheap. It was a steal of a deal and made it much easier to justify the conversion. The original motor was likely going to require a re-wire and rebuild.

?

I have a Teco 1/2 hp size VFD.? I've been real happy with it and the technical support was very helpful with a direct line to technicians.? I called them a few times with wiring and programing questions...and they were very helpful.??

?

-Jody (DFW)



-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/4/19 10:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

any more info on yer motor & controller ?

??? ??? animal

On 1/4/2019 1:14 PM, Jody wrote:

Bill,
Funny and stupid story, I set mine up with a VFD with fwd/rev,
potentiometer, jog, and E stop.

I tested the E stop and was nevous that the thing would spin off.? I
actually need to make the stop not quite as harsh.? But it didn't
fling off the spindle thankfully.
-Jody
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

Don't know about that. The serial number card says it was shipped with a 3/4hp 1ph 1725 rpm motor. And a 3/4hp VFD might not be able to turn a motor rated for 2hp at all. And the motor is physically large enough it could be a 3HP motor. I don't know a lot about 3phase motors, but I work with them, so have been reading up on them. My equipment that I work on has quite a variety of motors, many 3 phase, and rated from 1/4HP to 60HP. I've still got a lot of parts to derust, paint, and put back together, so I'm not in a great hurry at the moment. Get down to the last couple of parts, it will get more urgent, though, I do suspect! ;)

Bill in OKC

On Sunday, January 6, 2019, 1:48:59 AM CST, cwlathes <carvelw@...> wrote:


Morning Bill,

The VFD doesn’t HAVE to be matched to the motor power wise , as long as it can deliver enough power for your needs . . . .

In other words , if you happened to come across a VFD capable of driving a ? HP motor , and your mystery motor was rated at 1HP , all it would mean is that you would be limited to drawing ? of its capacity which would probably be more than adequate given that the original motors for this lathe were 1/3 or ? HP

?

Regards,

?

Carvel

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 January 2019 06:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

I'm thinking a 3/4hp 3ph motor and VFD for mine, as my 10L originally shipped with a 1725rpm 3/4hp 1ph motor. Everything I've read or heard about the Teco VFD's seem to indicate they're the smart move. Haven't had much luck finding anything for less than about $3-400 for the combination, plus shipping.?

?

The lathe came with a 3ph motor without a data plate. Old but not quite as rusty as the rest of the lathe. I have a contact tachometer so could find out what speed it is, but I'd have to take it to work to get power to test it. Did borrow their megger, no leakage or shorts at 1kv. If I knew what hp it's rated for I could just buy the VFD. I have 220vac power in the shop at one location, could extend it. Or move the lathe to it.?

?

I gave up on my HF tool chest as a stand for my Atlas TH42. It is just a bit too long, and also too wide for the "42 inch" tool box. That is 42 inches including the handle. 40 inches long x 18 inches deep, about a 3/4"lip on back and sides. I got it just before they came out with the 22" deep tool chests, of course. So it's going to be a tool chest. With tools in it. Imagine that! :)

?

The table is one I've mentioned here before. It's 3' x 8', 1/8" steel top, now with 1" of Baltic birch plywood on top of the steel. I need to get the drip pan I told you about from under the Atlas MF Mill and put it under the Atlas lathe. I have a new 2' x 3' drip pan for the mill, and another for the Lewis shaper. I've been planning on putting that on the table with the lathe and mill, but I'm wondering if that is such a good idea. I've only run the shaper once, and promptly took it back off the heavy steel file cabinet I'd mounted it on. Lots of momentum there as the ram moves back and forth. Probably do bad things to the fine finish on a part turned while it was running. :)

?

Bill in OKC

?

?

?

?

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:39 PM, Jody

<jp4lsu@...> wrote:

So the motor is a Baldor 3 phase 1/2 hp.

I picked it up new on ebay for real cheap. It was a steal of a deal and made it much easier to justify the conversion. The original motor was likely going to require a re-wire and rebuild.

?

I have a Teco 1/2 hp size VFD.? I've been real happy with it and the technical support was very helpful with a direct line to technicians.? I called them a few times with wiring and programing questions...and they were very helpful.??

?

-Jody (DFW)



-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/4/19 10:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

any more info on yer motor & controller ?

??? ??? animal

On 1/4/2019 1:14 PM, Jody wrote:

Bill,
Funny and stupid story, I set mine up with a VFD with fwd/rev,
potentiometer, jog, and E stop.

I tested the E stop and was nevous that the thing would spin off.? I
actually need to make the stop not quite as harsh.? But it didn't
fling off the spindle thankfully.
-Jody
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

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Morning Bill,

The VFD doesn’t HAVE to be matched to the motor power wise , as long as it can deliver enough power for your needs . . . .

In other words , if you happened to come across a VFD capable of driving a ? HP motor , and your mystery motor was rated at 1HP , all it would mean is that you would be limited to drawing ? of its capacity which would probably be more than adequate given that the original motors for this lathe were 1/3 or ? HP

?

Regards,

?

Carvel

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 January 2019 06:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

I'm thinking a 3/4hp 3ph motor and VFD for mine, as my 10L originally shipped with a 1725rpm 3/4hp 1ph motor. Everything I've read or heard about the Teco VFD's seem to indicate they're the smart move. Haven't had much luck finding anything for less than about $3-400 for the combination, plus shipping.?

?

The lathe came with a 3ph motor without a data plate. Old but not quite as rusty as the rest of the lathe. I have a contact tachometer so could find out what speed it is, but I'd have to take it to work to get power to test it. Did borrow their megger, no leakage or shorts at 1kv. If I knew what hp it's rated for I could just buy the VFD. I have 220vac power in the shop at one location, could extend it. Or move the lathe to it.?

?

I gave up on my HF tool chest as a stand for my Atlas TH42. It is just a bit too long, and also too wide for the "42 inch" tool box. That is 42 inches including the handle. 40 inches long x 18 inches deep, about a 3/4"lip on back and sides. I got it just before they came out with the 22" deep tool chests, of course. So it's going to be a tool chest. With tools in it. Imagine that! :)

?

The table is one I've mentioned here before. It's 3' x 8', 1/8" steel top, now with 1" of Baltic birch plywood on top of the steel. I need to get the drip pan I told you about from under the Atlas MF Mill and put it under the Atlas lathe. I have a new 2' x 3' drip pan for the mill, and another for the Lewis shaper. I've been planning on putting that on the table with the lathe and mill, but I'm wondering if that is such a good idea. I've only run the shaper once, and promptly took it back off the heavy steel file cabinet I'd mounted it on. Lots of momentum there as the ram moves back and forth. Probably do bad things to the fine finish on a part turned while it was running. :)

?

Bill in OKC

?

?

?

?

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:39 PM, Jody

<jp4lsu@...> wrote:

So the motor is a Baldor 3 phase 1/2 hp.

I picked it up new on ebay for real cheap. It was a steal of a deal and made it much easier to justify the conversion. The original motor was likely going to require a re-wire and rebuild.

?

I have a Teco 1/2 hp size VFD.? I've been real happy with it and the technical support was very helpful with a direct line to technicians.? I called them a few times with wiring and programing questions...and they were very helpful.??

?

-Jody (DFW)



-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/4/19 10:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

any more info on yer motor & controller ?

??? ??? animal

On 1/4/2019 1:14 PM, Jody wrote:

Bill,
Funny and stupid story, I set mine up with a VFD with fwd/rev,
potentiometer, jog, and E stop.

I tested the E stop and was nevous that the thing would spin off.? I
actually need to make the stop not quite as harsh.? But it didn't
fling off the spindle thankfully.
-Jody
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

I'm thinking a 3/4hp 3ph motor and VFD for mine, as my 10L originally shipped with a 1725rpm 3/4hp 1ph motor. Everything I've read or heard about the Teco VFD's seem to indicate they're the smart move. Haven't had much luck finding anything for less than about $3-400 for the combination, plus shipping.?

The lathe came with a 3ph motor without a data plate. Old but not quite as rusty as the rest of the lathe. I have a contact tachometer so could find out what speed it is, but I'd have to take it to work to get power to test it. Did borrow their megger, no leakage or shorts at 1kv. If I knew what hp it's rated for I could just buy the VFD. I have 220vac power in the shop at one location, could extend it. Or move the lathe to it.?

I gave up on my HF tool chest as a stand for my Atlas TH42. It is just a bit too long, and also too wide for the "42 inch" tool box. That is 42 inches including the handle. 40 inches long x 18 inches deep, about a 3/4"lip on back and sides. I got it just before they came out with the 22" deep tool chests, of course. So it's going to be a tool chest. With tools in it. Imagine that! :)

The table is one I've mentioned here before. It's 3' x 8', 1/8" steel top, now with 1" of Baltic birch plywood on top of the steel. I need to get the drip pan I told you about from under the Atlas MF Mill and put it under the Atlas lathe. I have a new 2' x 3' drip pan for the mill, and another for the Lewis shaper. I've been planning on putting that on the table with the lathe and mill, but I'm wondering if that is such a good idea. I've only run the shaper once, and promptly took it back off the heavy steel file cabinet I'd mounted it on. Lots of momentum there as the ram moves back and forth. Probably do bad things to the fine finish on a part turned while it was running. :)

Bill in OKC




On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:39 PM, Jody
<jp4lsu@...> wrote:
So the motor is a Baldor 3 phase 1/2 hp.
I picked it up new on ebay for real cheap. It was a steal of a deal and made it much easier to justify the conversion. The original motor was likely going to require a re-wire and rebuild.

I have a Teco 1/2 hp size VFD.? I've been real happy with it and the technical support was very helpful with a direct line to technicians.? I called them a few times with wiring and programing questions...and they were very helpful.??

-Jody (DFW)


-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/4/19 10:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

any more info on yer motor & controller ?

??? ??? animal

On 1/4/2019 1:14 PM, Jody wrote:
Bill,
Funny and stupid story, I set mine up with a VFD with fwd/rev,
potentiometer, jog, and E stop.

I tested the E stop and was nevous that the thing would spin off.? I
actually need to make the stop not quite as harsh.? But it didn't
fling off the spindle thankfully.
-Jody
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

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Yes, I rebuilt the Rockwell drill press, I believe it is circa mid 70's.

Good eye on the Albrecht Chuck.? I picked it up used and ordered a.rebuild kit.? There is virtually no run out in the DP/ chuck combo.

I will be hunting for a 3/4" Albrecht chuck soon.? I bought a 20" Jet Drill press that was abused and am rebuilding it now.? I will rebuild the 3/4" Jacobs chuck it came with also.

I also have a Powermatic 14"? bandsaw I bought from Fort Worth middle school woodshop and am going to rebuild it.
Thanks for the compliments.? I love rebuilding and making things new.
-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Matticks <dpm100@...>
Date: 1/5/19 7:27 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

Hi Jody,

Nice looking lathe!

I saw the other pic pre chip pan with covers open, nice.

Drill press looks good too. Albrecht keyless chuck? I have my grandfathers old Homecraft drill press, had a mortising attachment and spindle. Made a new spindle to fit the spare 1/2" Albrecht chuck I had along with a new quill depth stop.

Dave

On January 4, 2019 at 9:48 AM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:

Good point Carvel.
I hate material getting under the headstock and pulling all that out from under there.
That'd a good idea, I'll have to do that. That way I can pull out the shop vac less often.

Here is a pick with my big drip pan.
-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: cwlathes <carvelw@...>
Date: 1/4/19 9:46 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

Jody – looks good

Just a tip – if you want to keep your lathe nice and clean – is to put a baking tray within the drip dray under the chuck area to catch the bulk of the drips and swarf – easy to pull out and empty when needed. . . .? or use a layer of kitchen foil for the same purpose? . .?

Have fun ,

?

Carvel

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jody
Sent: 04 January 2019 05:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

I have the original cast iron legs made for the 101.07403 (12x24) with a maple top

?

Not sure if top is original but it is probably close 2" thick.

See picture.? I've since installed a drip pan underneath the entire lathe.

-Jody



-------- Original message --------
From: Andrei <calciu1@...>
Date: 1/4/19 6:21 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

They recommend 2" dense hardwood. Some have gotten away with 1.75 and others have poured concrete the thickness of a 2x4.

Get

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Harrington <dreamcrafters@...>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:50:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

The Spec's only said "wood top", any idea how thick the top is?

Ken H in AZ

?



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Re: Royal live center

 

I may have something at work I can borrow, if necessary. I've made some small parts for them, so my boss is good about loaniong tools. Get yourself settled, and take your time. I retired from the USAF over 20 years ago, but still remember being jetlagged after getting home from some long trips.

Bill in OKC
--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 1/5/19, Dave Matticks <dpm100@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, January 5, 2019, 6:40 PM

Hi
Bill, I have more pics and can tell you the first
try way and the easy way to get it apart! Just
got home from Iceland yesterday but I'll try to do
something tomorrow.? Mine is nice and smooth now
and runs out less than .0002". You're
going to have to invest in a 3/4" 2 piece shaft collar
though, 1 piece clamp on could work as well. Set screw
collars are garbage. Dave


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my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original
message --------From: "Bill in OKC too via
Groups.Io" <wmrmeyers@...>
Date: 1/5/19 18:16 (GMT-06:00) To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center
Dave,I
only see one pic, and I'm VERY interested because I got
one with my SB 10L lathe, and mine is more than "a
little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open
barn. More photos would be welcome. More info on how you got
it apart, too. Mine spent a few days soaking in evaporust
after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I
have a small arbor press in the home shop, and a 20-ton HF
hydraulic press available at work. Looks like I'll need
a new bearing, from your photo.?


Thanks for a really timely
post!
Bill
in OKC



On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:50 PM, Dave
Matticks<dpm100@...> wrote:
Hi guys,?
I have a Royal
Products , Regal live center that either came with or was
purchased along with my dad's lathe. Whatever, first one
I ever used.?
Recently rebuilt it. Nothing
wrong except for the crunchy bearings due to dried up?
grease.?
Couple pics of the process.?
Dave
Re: Royal live center

 

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When I said "first one I ever used", that was around 50 years ago! I started very young. Looks and works like it's good for another 50! Then my son can deal with it.



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io" <wmrmeyers@...>
Date: 1/5/19 18:16 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center

Dave,
I only see one pic, and I'm VERY interested because I got one with my SB 10L lathe, and mine is more than "a little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open barn. More photos would be welcome. More info on how you got it apart, too. Mine spent a few days soaking in evaporust after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I have a small arbor press in the home shop, and a 20-ton HF hydraulic press available at work. Looks like I'll need a new bearing, from your photo.?


Thanks for a really timely post!

Bill in OKC

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:50 PM, Dave Matticks
<dpm100@...> wrote:
Hi guys,?
I have a Royal Products , Regal live center that either came with or was purchased along with my dad's lathe. Whatever, first one I ever used.?
Recently rebuilt it. Nothing wrong except for the crunchy bearings due to dried up? grease.?
Couple pics of the process.?
Dave?

Re: Royal live center

 

开云体育

Hi Bill,
I have more pics and can tell you the first try way and the easy way to get it apart!
Just got home from Iceland yesterday but I'll try to do something tomorrow.?
Mine is nice and smooth now and runs out less than .0002".
You're going to have to invest in a 3/4" 2 piece shaft collar though, 1 piece clamp on could work as well. Set screw collars are garbage.
Dave



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: "Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io" <wmrmeyers@...>
Date: 1/5/19 18:16 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Royal live center

Dave,
I only see one pic, and I'm VERY interested because I got one with my SB 10L lathe, and mine is more than "a little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open barn. More photos would be welcome. More info on how you got it apart, too. Mine spent a few days soaking in evaporust after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I have a small arbor press in the home shop, and a 20-ton HF hydraulic press available at work. Looks like I'll need a new bearing, from your photo.?


Thanks for a really timely post!

Bill in OKC

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:50 PM, Dave Matticks
<dpm100@...> wrote:
Hi guys,?
I have a Royal Products , Regal live center that either came with or was purchased along with my dad's lathe. Whatever, first one I ever used.?
Recently rebuilt it. Nothing wrong except for the crunchy bearings due to dried up? grease.?
Couple pics of the process.?
Dave?

Re: Royal live center

 

Dave,
I only see one pic, and I'm VERY interested because I got one with my SB 10L lathe, and mine is more than "a little crunchy." Poor baby spent some years in an open barn. More photos would be welcome. More info on how you got it apart, too. Mine spent a few days soaking in evaporust after a day in purple power degreaser. Still real crunchy. I have a small arbor press in the home shop, and a 20-ton HF hydraulic press available at work. Looks like I'll need a new bearing, from your photo.?


Thanks for a really timely post!

Bill in OKC

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:50 PM, Dave Matticks
<dpm100@...> wrote:
Hi guys,?
I have a Royal Products , Regal live center that either came with or was purchased along with my dad's lathe. Whatever, first one I ever used.?
Recently rebuilt it. Nothing wrong except for the crunchy bearings due to dried up? grease.?
Couple pics of the process.?
Dave?

Royal live center

 

Hi guys,?
I have a Royal Products , Regal live center that either came with or was purchased along with my dad's lathe. Whatever, first one I ever used.?
Recently rebuilt it. Nothing wrong except for the crunchy bearings due to dried up? grease.?
Couple pics of the process.?
Dave?
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

开云体育

Hi Jody,

Nice looking lathe!

I saw the other pic pre chip pan with covers open, nice.

Drill press looks good too. Albrecht keyless chuck? I have my grandfathers old Homecraft drill press, had a mortising attachment and spindle. Made a new spindle to fit the spare 1/2" Albrecht chuck I had along with a new quill depth stop.

Dave

On January 4, 2019 at 9:48 AM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:

Good point Carvel.
I hate material getting under the headstock and pulling all that out from under there.
That'd a good idea, I'll have to do that. That way I can pull out the shop vac less often.

Here is a pick with my big drip pan.
-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: cwlathes <carvelw@...>
Date: 1/4/19 9:46 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

Jody – looks good

Just a tip – if you want to keep your lathe nice and clean – is to put a baking tray within the drip dray under the chuck area to catch the bulk of the drips and swarf – easy to pull out and empty when needed. . . .? or use a layer of kitchen foil for the same purpose? . .?

Have fun ,

?

Carvel

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jody
Sent: 04 January 2019 05:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

I have the original cast iron legs made for the 101.07403 (12x24) with a maple top

?

Not sure if top is original but it is probably close 2" thick.

See picture.? I've since installed a drip pan underneath the entire lathe.

-Jody



-------- Original message --------
From: Andrei <calciu1@...>
Date: 1/4/19 6:21 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

They recommend 2" dense hardwood. Some have gotten away with 1.75 and others have poured concrete the thickness of a 2x4.

Get

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Harrington <dreamcrafters@...>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:50:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

The Spec's only said "wood top", any idea how thick the top is?

Ken H in AZ

?



?
Re: Duplicated ("edited") Messages?

 

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This happens sporadically, usually to only two or three members.? My guess has always been a router configuration error somewhere between your ISP and groups.io, where the router forwards mail that .? Usually it only happens for a few hours.

?

Robert Downs

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 13:53
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Duplicated ("edited") Messages?

?

Seems like that happens when someone edits a message they sent previously unedited. I can't swear to that, just been told so. I got about 7 copies of a message from another gentleman who had a link he kept trying to edit. Someone else got 13, IIRC.

?

Count your blessings if it's only one copy. ;)

?

Bill in OKC

?

On Friday, January 4, 2019, 6:15:13 AM CST, Paul D <ferretpd@...> wrote:

?

?

?

Hey, Group:

Any Mods out there have a clue why I’ve been getting duplicate messages, about 4 minutes apart…the second one with the heading in the body:

[Edited Message Follows]

?

Thanks

?

Paul DeLisle
Salado, TX

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Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

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So the motor is a Baldor 3 phase 1/2 hp.
I picked it up new on ebay for real cheap. It was a steal of a deal and made it much easier to justify the conversion. The original motor was likely going to require a re-wire and rebuild.

I have a Teco 1/2 hp size VFD.? I've been real happy with it and the technical support was very helpful with a direct line to technicians.? I called them a few times with wiring and programing questions...and they were very helpful.??

-Jody (DFW)


-------- Original message --------
From: mike allen <animal@...>
Date: 1/4/19 10:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

any more info on yer motor & controller ?

??? ??? animal

On 1/4/2019 1:14 PM, Jody wrote:
Bill,
Funny and stupid story, I set mine up with a VFD with fwd/rev,
potentiometer, jog, and E stop.

I tested the E stop and was nevous that the thing would spin off.? I
actually need to make the stop not quite as harsh.? But it didn't
fling off the spindle thankfully.
-Jody
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

any more info on yer motor & controller ?

??? ??? animal


On 1/4/2019 1:14 PM, Jody wrote:
Bill,
Funny and stupid story, I set mine up with a VFD with fwd/rev,
potentiometer, jog, and E stop.

I tested the E stop and was nevous that the thing would spin off.? I
actually need to make the stop not quite as harsh.? But it didn't
fling off the spindle thankfully.
-Jody
Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

开云体育

I got mine from Walmart.
Looks like Andrei provided a link for us.
I like it.


-------- Original message --------
From: Matthew Mayer <mayermatthewr@...>
Date: 1/4/19 2:52 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

Jody,

May I ask where you got that drip pan? I'm looking for something similar for my TH42 "Pick-o-Matic".

Thank you,

-Matt

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:51 AM Jody <jp4lsu@...> wrote:
Good point Carvel.
I hate material getting under the headstock and pulling all that out from under there.
That'd a good idea, I'll have to do that. That way I can pull out the shop vac less often.

Here is a pick with my big drip pan.
-Jody


-------- Original message --------
From: cwlathes <carvelw@...>
Date: 1/4/19 9:46 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

Jody – looks good

Just a tip – if you want to keep your lathe nice and clean – is to put a baking tray within the drip dray under the chuck area to catch the bulk of the drips and swarf – easy to pull out and empty when needed. . . .? or use a layer of kitchen foil for the same purpose? . .?

Have fun ,

?

Carvel

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jody
Sent: 04 January 2019 05:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

I have the original cast iron legs made for the 101.07403 (12x24) with a maple top

?

Not sure if top is original but it is probably close 2" thick.

See picture.? I've since installed a drip pan underneath the entire lathe.

-Jody



-------- Original message --------
From: Andrei <calciu1@...>
Date: 1/4/19 6:21 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

They recommend 2" dense hardwood. Some have gotten away with 1.75 and others have poured concrete the thickness of a 2x4.

Get

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Harrington <dreamcrafters@...>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:50:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

?

The Spec's only said "wood top", any idea how thick the top is?

Ken H in AZ

Re: Finally workbench for my lathe

 

开云体育

I put my little 618 on1-1/8" plywood with an 1/8" sheet of steel screwed to the top of that, then shimmed the bed to it.?



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-------- Original message --------
From: Bill Williams <BWMSBLDR1@...>
Date: 1/4/19 3:55 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Finally workbench for my lathe

??? ??? Can he remove the wooden top and turn it over on a flat surface? Then glue and screw another layer onto the original top. But note that while the base can help with the rigidity of the system very careful leveling and alignment helps even more. Check, shim, recheck until a test bar says OK! I plan to get my 618 onto two inch butcher block with a cabinet built on underneath supported on four antique cast iron legs! My Parlour Lathe since I can't afford a Holtzappel!? Bill in Boulder CO USA

On 1/4/19 7:18 AM, Dan and Marlene Coleman wrote:

I found my friend an excellent 6” Atlas two years ago, but the stand was poor.? He decided to mount it on top of a rolling tool box.? I suggested a very thick top thinking that would help overcome the quality of the tool box.? He went with a thinner top and the results have not been good.? He just didn’t understand the importance of a rigid foundation for a wood lathe.

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Dan Coleman
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