Using YD7001 with a DR4088CS or YD6016ES
I have a small iTrain test bench layout controlled by a YD7001. To control my Blocks I have been using either a DR4088CS or YD6016ES connected directly to the EXTN88 IN port of the YD7001. Whilst this is working OK. I note that each time I power up all the blocks show up as being occupied. I found that by unplugging the RJ45 cable in and out clears the occupation. Can this be avoided or can I presume this is not the correct solution!.
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Pete
The number is, as you guessed, used with DCCExt. This allows you to use a single address to make complex signalling done because the decoder does the work rather than you creating a (sometimes) complex matrix in iTrain get all the aspects correct and the changing of the aspects.
A three aspect signal with a feather would need four addresses in a 4x4 matrix to operate traditionally, whereas with aspects it could be one address for by an aspect number.
Be aware that not all command stations can operate DCCExt.
Hi Iain and Oldngrey,
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Many thanks for your earlier replies.
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Well I dived in and bought 7 x YD8116, and the USB to ES link (FTDI) adaptor, and I've had one on the bench and been playing. Thanks goodness for DCC concepts (and others I'm sure) putting instructional videos up on Youtube. The manual for these things is as good as useless. It doesn't even tell you about the link adaptor or the fact that you can program it with only the USB connection. No external power needed untill you want to run something.
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If I was running points (switches in American) with it then I would indeed, as Iain says, need two outputs per point, and I would have 8 set of points controlled. The default button press to set addresses supports this well by creating 8 consecutive addresses for the points.
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As I will be using these modules for signals, the suggestion by Oldngrey about the adaptor sorted the comms issue. I am talking to the module via the USB adaptor and the Yamorc configuration software. This means I can set any address to any output, use preset signal configurations, and so on. Sometimes the interface is a bit clunky, and I even managed to crash it when it got grumpy about USB port assignments....... I couldn't get it to respond nicely until I did a restart on my Windows 10 PC. It also sits there with the little blue swirly circle for far to long on start up, but it eventually gets there.
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I really like the ability to be able to set a custom or simple output. This means I can map an out to an input, set fade, etc, for all 16 channels as needed. Which was the crux of my original question. So with a simple on-off output, set to fade as it switches, I can assign the addresses for a 3 aspect UK signal completely out of normal sequence, and even across multiple YD8116's, enabling me to use the spare outputs that are left over. After all, it's just a data bus with many outputs! So if my understanding is correct, you could run for example, 5 x 3 aspect signals, leaving one output spare, then that output could then be combined with another 2 outputs from another YD8116 to run another 3 aspect signal. All I do is tell iTrain what the addresses are for each aspect and it should just do it. To iTrain it is just another address and so it doesn't matter where it is physically.
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I do have one more question though (only one.... yeah right....) and that is the column in Device Properties showing the aspect number. These can be changed only in the custom setting, and I'm really not sure what they do. Is it something to do with DCC EX?
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Best
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Pete S.
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Hi Iain and Oldngrey,
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Many thanks for your earlier replies.
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Well I dived in and bought 7 x YD8116, and the USB to ES link (FTDI) adaptor, and I've had one on the bench and been playing. Thanks goodness for DCC concepts (and others I'm sure) putting instructional videos up on Youtube. The manual for these things is as good as useless. It doesn't even tell you about the link adaptor or the fact that you can program it with only the USB connection. No external power needed untill you want to run something.
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If I was running points (switches in American) with it then I would indeed, as Iain says, need two outputs per point, and I would have 8 set of points controlled. The default button press to set addresses supports this well by creating 8 consecutive addresses for the points.
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As I will be using these modules for signals, the suggestion by Oldngrey about the adaptor sorted the comms issue. I am talking to the module via the USB adaptor and the Yamorc configuration software. This means I can set any address to any output, use preset signal configurations, and so on. Sometimes the interface is a bit clunky, and I even managed to crash it when it got grumpy about USB port assignments....... I couldn't get it to respond nicely until I did a restart on my Windows 10 PC. It also sits there with the little blue swirly circle for far to long on start up, but it eventually gets there.
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I really like the ability to be able to set a custom or simple output. This means I can map an out to an input, set fade, etc, for all 16 channels as needed. Which was the crux of my original question. So with a simple on-off output, set to fade as it switches, I can assign the addresses for a 3 aspect UK signal completely out of normal sequence, and even across multiple YD8116's, enabling me to use the spare outputs that are left over. After all, it's just a data bus with many outputs! So if my understanding is correct, you could run for example, 5 x 3 aspect signals, leaving one output spare, then that output could then be combined with another 2 outputs from another YD8116 to run another 3 aspect signal. All I do is tell iTrain what the addresses are for each aspect and it should just do it. To iTrain it is just another address and so it doesn't matter where it is physically.
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I do have one more question though (only one.... yeah right....) and that is the column in Device Properties showing the aspect number. These can be changed only in the custom setting, and I'm really not sure what they do. Is it something to do with DCC EX?
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Best
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Pete S.
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Digitrax DS51K1 switch decoder not working with YD7010
Hi,
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We are migrating from the DR5000 to the YD7010. ?We have previously controlled switch decoders with the Z21 app on iPad. ?
The DS51K1 decoder does not respond when connected to the YD7010. ?We can turn track power off and on and control locomotives through the Z21 app. ?However, it will not throw the Kato turnouts that we have connected to a DS51K1. ?
We have also connected the YD7010 to a computer running JMRI via USB, and the Turnout Control in JMRI will not operate the turnout either. ?It also cannot be operated via the Switchboard in the YD7010 Configuration App on the computer.
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After working on it for several hours, we pulled out our old DR5000 to test if it would work the switch. ?It worked perfectly with the Z21 app. ?We checked configuration settings for both, but could see no major differences.
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Any ideas?
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Thanks,
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Hubert
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Re: How to control S88N devices with a TCS CS-105
I have a PR4, so I am considering using this as a test of whether the S88N conversation is done in the DR4088LN-CS.?
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Hi,
I have several YD7403 Boosters on the lower deck of my layout. I will have 2 parallel tracks going up to the upper deck via a helix. The tracks come from different parts of the layout and there are 3 x YD7403 Boosters on the lower deck each with its own YD6016LN-CS.
So my question is, can I have a single YD7403 feeding both tracks on the helix? If the answer is YES then the helix will be two separate blocks fed by a single YD7403 and YD6016LN-CS. There is no crossover between the parallel tracks.
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If that's too ambiguous, imaging a large loop coming together in a parallel track. Can I use a single YD7403 Booster on the parallel tracks even though these tracks are connected to the loop and several different YD7403 Boosters?
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Regards,
OnG.
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Re: How to control S88N devices with a TCS CS-105
On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 01:22 PM, Human[c]ity Junction wrote:
So are you saying that the LocoNet to S88N in the DR4088LN-CS (for example) will not work with the LCC to LocoNet adapter?
In theory, I think this could work. I doubt that specific combination of devices has been tested before. It may "just work", provided all the devices are configured appropriately. I see you have started a conversation on the LCC group. I think that is the best place to continue the investigation. Here is a direct link for those wanting to follow along:
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Thanks,
Stuart
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Re: How to control S88N devices with a TCS CS-105
Stuart,
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You name just came up on my discord () . We were discussing in throttle consisting versus when the cosist get's sent to the command station so I could grab it with a ProtoThrottle.
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So are you saying that the LocoNet to S88N in the DR4088LN-CS (for example) will not work with the LCC to LocoNet adapter?
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Thanks
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Re: How to control S88N devices with a TCS CS-105
Heath,
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I would suggest posting this question on the LCC users group. You might get some better suggestions over there. There might be someone who already has, or is willing to help with building, an LCC/S88N bridge. S88N is not that complicated, in theory.
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Thanks,
Stuart
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How to control S88N devices with a TCS CS-105
I am at the point in my model railroading journey that I want to get away from Digitrax consisting and move to an NCE style system. This means that the upgrade choice would be the TCS CS-105.
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On my YD7001, I am using LocoNet T, LocoNet B, ExpressNet and S88N.
The ExpressNet is what controls the ProtoThrottle, so I can switch to cab bus on the CS-105
The LocoNet T can use the LCC to LocoNet adapter
The LocoNet B, I am not sure what is out there for this, but I think there is a board from TCS that let's you use Digitrax boosters.
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Where I am stuck, is how do I control the S88N devices?
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I have 1 S88N device wired directly to the YD7001 and the rest are connected on the output of a LN module. Will S88N devices still work on a LocoNet bus that is not from the YD7001? Can I use the LCC to LocoNet adapter and have the S88N devices connected on the end of the bus and will they still work?
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I know that I could leave the YD7001 on my layout for a layout control bus and have the CS-105 dirve the DCC bus, but if I could reliably get everything S88N working over a LCC to LocoNet LCC adapter, then I would prefer that.
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Thanks
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Re: Unable to connect to YD7001
Perhaps go into the admin of the router and assign the YD7001 a static IP address - the same one that originally worked with the YD7001….
i have windows 11 desktop and i use static IPs because i feel software these days always seems to think it knows what i want?
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Re: Unable to connect to YD7001
Thanks Ian,
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Was just about to follow your suggestion, I was just using regedit when I read your post.? ?I found some keys removed them thought I would reinstalled and follow your suggestion.? But is worked so I must have cleared the blocking config.
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Now working fine.
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thanks again.
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Doug
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Re: Unable to connect to YD7001
Install something like to remove the programs and clear out the registry keys (which it will be display for you) after it has been uninstalled and reboot. ? Iain ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Doug Johnson via groups.io
Sent: 12 January 2025 12:49
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Unable to connect to YD7001? Got my laptop out which I use to control my backup and second YD7001 and it conects perfectly fisrt time with my first YD7001 by USB and ethernet. So my problem is the Windows 11 desktop. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling. How do I clear out the complete config from the desktop window 11
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Re: Unable to connect to YD7001
Ok small update.
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Got my laptop out which I use to control my backup and second YD7001 and it conects perfectly fisrt time with my first YD7001 by USB and ethernet.
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So my problem is the Windows 11 desktop.
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I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling.
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How do I clear out the complete config from the desktop window 11
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Doug
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Unable to connect to YD7001
Hi all,
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This is driving me mad I cannot get round it.
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I have had this system running fine for over a year (upgraded DR5000) and it has been fine.
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A few days ago I had to restart my router and the router gave the YD7001 a different IP address.
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Now with jmri it was easy I just changed the IP address (only 1 digit change? .110 to .111) and JMri works fine and the YD7001 works fine.
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But the configuration software still keeps trying .110 and failing, and despite the USB connection being there and functioning it will not use that either.
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How do I get the software to sort itself out please.
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I have updated the latest software and drivers and no error are showing anywhere, its just seems to have fixed itself to the old IP address.
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regards
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Doug
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Re: YD7001 stuck in demo mode etc.
Update on my problem with YD001 upgrade.
I returned it to the dealer that I purchased the upgade from and he discoverd that the wifi update had not been saved for some reason.
The YD7001 has now returned to me and works ok so all good here.
My old Digitrax Zephyer worked fine but glad the YD7001 is now reconnected.
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But I must add at no point did I ever receive the activation code request message or is this no longer required.?
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Re: YD7432 Reverser - recommended length of the Sensor track
@karst.drenth:
Your timely reply is very much appreciated. I will follow your advice and will be ordering YD7432 Reversers as well as an ESU L.Net converter.
Also, I am looking into connecting mon-monitored sections through two diodes in each direction as you suggested. So far I have not observed any voltage drop on sections monitored by ESU 50094 Detectors. But that might be because I was measuring on open circuit.?
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@Iain Morrison:
Thanks for trying to help. The reason I was asking about occupancy detection reporting via S88, is because this functionality is in the specs on yamorc.de page for YD7432 Reverser. According to the page the reverser's reporting capability via enhanced S88 is the same as via LocoNet. The problem, it appears, is in the ECoS which ?does not have galvanic isolation between the track ground and its s88 interface.
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Re: YD7432 Reverser - recommended length of the Sensor track
On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 06:01 PM, TrainZeal wrote:
Could you please elaborate why it matters to have "sections adjacent to S1 and S2 to also be supplied with a current sensor" ?
They don't have to be detected, but have at least the same voltage drop (1.1V) as the sensor tracks are measuring for. You also can (or better should if you have more Current-Sense detection ) power your turnouts through some anti-parallel diodes ( two in each direction ) By the way, doing so also imporves feedback reliability of other Current-Sensed section adjacent to turnouts.
In a reversing loop, sections S1 and S2 are usually next to the turnout, which is not necessarily supplied from a detector (as it is not part of "monitored track", at least in TrainController).
I am currently using Litffinski reverse loop modules in combination with ESU 50094 detectors. In this case: S1/S2 sensor tracks are short (5-20 cm) and not monitored, only the loop between them.
The YD7432 monitors all of it's sections, to be able to provide a complete, 2-way, block for control software.? S1 and S2 serve as "incoming" feedbacks, T.O. as occupation.
I am considering your YD7432 Reverser modules for my additional loops.
Do you think they will work with ESU ECoS when connected via S88 for occupancy monitoring?
Well that is a story by itsself... I designed the YD7432 to indeed have an s88 Bus... and I did that after consulting ESU whether their s88 Bus is galvanically isolated from the Track-Power. The Answer: Yes it is ! But then reality struck... As we finished the YD7432 it indeed worked very nicely on the ECoS ... until... you turn on track power... Then the feedbacks went bozo. ==> Not a 100% galvanic Isolation between track ground and s88 :'( So unfortunately it does not work through the? ECoS' s88 bus. It works brilliant however with the ESU L.Net converter. Greets, Karst
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Re: YD7432 Reverser - recommended length of the Sensor track
You ask whether the YD7432 will work when “connected via S88 for occupancy monitoring” – the YD7432 uses LocoNet to provide the occupancy reporting, not S88 ? ?
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Subject: Re: YD7432 Reverser - recommended length of the Sensor track? Could you please elaborate why it matters to have "sections adjacent to S1 and S2 to also be supplied with a current sensor" ? In a reversing loop, sections S1 and S2 are usually next to the turnout, which is not necessarily supplied from a detector (as it is not part of "monitored track", at least in TrainController). I am currently using Litffinski reverse loop modules in combination with ESU 50094 detectors. In this case: S1/S2 sensor tracks are short (5-20 cm) and not monitored, only the loop between them. I am considering your YD7432 Reverser modules for my additional loops. Do you think they will work with ESU ECoS when connected via S88 for occupancy monitoring?
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Re: YD7432 Reverser - recommended length of the Sensor track
@karst.drenth
Could you please elaborate why it matters to have "sections adjacent to S1 and S2 to also be supplied with a current sensor" ?
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In a reversing loop, sections S1 and S2 are usually next to the turnout, which is not necessarily supplied from a detector (as it is not part of "monitored track", at least in TrainController).
I am currently using Litffinski reverse loop modules in combination with ESU 50094 detectors. In this case: S1/S2 sensor tracks are short (5-20 cm) and not monitored, only the loop between them.
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I am considering your YD7432 Reverser modules for my additional loops.
Do you think they will work with ESU ECoS when connected via S88 for occupancy monitoring?
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Heath @ Human[c]ity Junction
Oldngrey
karst.drenth