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Hm....All Yamaha trail bikes are called XT's. The slightly more hard-core versions of their trail bikes are called TT's, but we rarely saw them..

?

The Serow is an XT and is a lowish 'old school'...i.e. similar to a late '70's trail bike. The XR is a fairly tall relatively modern Enduro bike, built to withstand competition.

The XR is a much more dynamic machine. While not stupidly quick with around 28 bhp, it has significantly more get-up and go than the 20 bhp Serow and so can tackle long journeys easily and in comfort. The Serow would be struggling. If you are short of leg, the XT225 Serow would be the better 'round town' bike, but the XR would be a better 'do anything' bike, especially as it can cruise at 70 plus.

One more question, so the honda xr is v similar to the yamah xt, just another bike to look at? Have i got that right?

Laura

On 02/07/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote:

Don't worry Laura. , Daniel's confusion may arise from the fact that very few proper competition bikes can be used on the road In the States. Most trail type bikes over there are very road oriented.

Over here, you can buy almost any machine?and put it on the road and all enduro and trials machines can have number plates. The reason?the Honda XR's are so good is that they are built for full-on competition and so are incredibly well made. There are no compromises to mass production at the expense of strength or reliability but being Honda they are utterly civilised as well and have fairly normal service intervals.?

?

To put that into perspective,?my Husqvarna four stroke TE350 that I used on the road had no oil pump, relying instead on crankcase pressure to move the oil around, HAD to run on Mobil 1 15/50 and was meant to have the engine side cases stripped off every 5 hours of use to replace the oil gallery reed valves.??The Honda is just like a typical 250cc Jap commuter..Oil changes every thousand miles, oil the chain occasionally...normal stuff!

?

?

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Gets v confusing, yes commuting, urban riding for which I understand it's v good. I''m just thinking about it not rushing to the shop tomorrwo.

Laura

On 02/07/07, daniel finn <finnman@...> wrote:

That's why I don't live in the UK, no NX's. I'd forgotten the reason. SORRY Laura I was certain that you wanted to street ride too. We don't have a KING JON in the colonies to save us from outsiders opinions,knowledge and riding experience. I beg your forgiveness OH god of all things bike, but we're not coming back to the motherland. Get an NX you'll love it. He can't kill all of us.

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?

Hmm...Those weren't based on the XR though...they're water-cooled for starters...Not available in the UK and not many grey imports brought in because they weren't as good as an XR at fast stuff and weren't as good as a Serow at nadgery trails . Quite heavy too...

Laura: The best of all those 250's was the Honda NX 250 from '88,'89 and very cool with it's mini fairing. Here's a pic of my NX 650, they looked alike.?Used they're reasonably priced. Daniel

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Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250) what would be I be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for town/commuting. I do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable. But you know I go through phases so please don't take it that I will go and buy one tomorrow, I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't even sat one. Are they easy to get hold of?

Laura

On 01/07/07, James Franklin <jimw650@... > wrote:

Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.

The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa 250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or less
unladen.



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>From: Laura <laurauk.rider@... >
>Reply-To: W650riders@...
>To: W650riders@...
>Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>AGAIN
>Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100
>
>OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are they
>cheap could I have them as second bike?
>KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his food
>reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
>Laura
>
>
>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... < jonhaddock@...> wrote:
>>
>>??Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR 250's are
>>OK. I find I can manage those??well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't
>>ride
>>the KTM's for instance.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
>>*To:* W650riders@...
>>*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
>>*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>>AGAIN
>>
>>I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding position),
>>well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
>>high
>>aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.
>>
>>Laura
>>
>>
>>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... < jonhaddock@...
>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
>>singles,
>> >
>> > tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They are
>>very
>> > low
>> > geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
>> > approximately
>> > where the seat would have been.
>> >
>> > Other off-road sports are:
>> >
>> > Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials, have no
>> > lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really well but
>> > are
>> > stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect seat
>> > heights
>> > in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes
>>with
>> > road front wheels on.
>> >
>> > Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
>> > softly
>> > tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have lighting
>> > sets.
>> > These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally
>>stunning
>> > commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard indeed
>>to
>> > find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
>> > duties.
>> > They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your Harley...and
>>30
>> > bhp
>> > in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha 465
>> > with
>> > 42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A lot
>> > of
>> > Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are Roads...i.e.
>> > 'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In other
>> > words,
>> > forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still had
>>to
>> > be
>> > fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often just
>> > muddy
>> > tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro bikes
>> > are
>> > not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But being
>> > macho
>> > men we used 'em anyway!
>> >
>> > Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have less
>> > suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You used to
>> > find
>> > some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports are
>> > found.
>> > They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew what
>> > they
>> > were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki Sherpa and
>> > so
>> > on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the
>>XR250
>> >
>> > Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.
>> >
>> > All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
>> > incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to have
>> > superb
>> > handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy rough
>> > ground
>> > and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
>> > bike
>> > with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into the
>> > weeds.
>> >
>> > They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly good
>> > suspension make for a real armchair riding position.
>> >
>> > Very high credibility too......
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > From: Laura
>> > >>Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
>> > >>in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
>> > >>the grass at the rally next weekend.
>> > >
>> > > Laura, here's some trials riding:
>> > >
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Seems to be under gentle acceleration. Does not happen often, it's abit
like the engine 'snatching' slightly.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:

When does it cough...


< Momentary cough: sometimes, the engine gives a 'cough'. It always
recovers instantly and then won't happen again for the rest of the

ride.>

Yes, but there aren't many companies making repro systems for the classic bike market...Think about it.

He he...been there. There is a trick you can use though. If the bike is pointing uphill...and they usually are when they sop...turn it around, point it downhill, pull in the decompresser lever, stick it in gear, and let it roll. After about ten engine revolutions just let the compressor lever go and lo and behold, it'll be running....

This doesn't work on XR400's because they have an automatic decompresser linked to the kick-start...which is why they DO need to be electric start.

Truth is, a good two stroke is streets ahead..lighter, quicker, easier to prod back into life...Kawasaki KDX200...best of all of them!

Jon

get a bike, unless it is an old 2 stroke, with electric start (the

Mmm, sounds like a lot of work, I take it you have looked at the W650.de shop?


Mark,

I got a reply from MikesXS. They said the originals were very loud,
essential straight throughs. So they had a chamber created inside the
muffler to redirect the air and quiet them. SOOOO looks like, unless
that chamber can be removed, these are not going to be the sound you
are looking for.

I was looking at my stock exahaust and was curious. Could a welder cut
the cross over off. Weld plates inplace of the crossover holes, and
then remove some of the baffeling from the stock?

I know it would be a lot of effort. I will find out in the next few
days if it can be done and how much. (IE have a friend who does this.)




--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:

I've just sent you a very short video clip in AVI which has been

trimmed in

Windows Movie Maker. I'll send another short clip direct from the

camera.

They are both well over 2 mgb or I would have sent longer ones but you
should be able to snatch an idea of quality. Unfortunately these

cameras use

'conditional refresh' compression algorithms so the worse images

come from

moving ...either the camera or the subject as the camera does little

work if

the image changes but a small amount.

Let me know if you don't get it...should be within 5 minutes of you
receiving this one

Surely Armours can't be the only option; if you posted on the Real
Classic forum I am sure you would turn up others that could make them.
Thing is I would only want the whole exhausts, as I am loath to cut
the down pipes thus losing the stock pipes, especially if the
powers-to-be ever decide that only stock pipes can be used for

MOT's etc.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@" <jonhaddock@>
wrote:

I've spoken to another guy who confirmed that Armours are not the

company they used to be. Frankly, I couldn't in all seriousness sell
them to you guys....

Jon


Yes, but, sadly, I was too late on the bandwagon! Did you ever

get a chance to talk to Armours about the possibility of slip-on
Fishpipes, Jon?

Ruari
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They lok and sound like the Fishpipes to me!...Sorry!


OK, folks, THIS is the SOUND I want!!! Where do we get them?





And are they slip-ons?

Ruari

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Absolutely correct....



Not so sure that is true larry.

I am sure that I saw in one of the bike mags recently that a company
was looking to develop a 2 stroke that was a midweight. The emission
laws effectively made them illegal rather than the premise of a
2-stroke being illegal in itself.


Larry

Essex UK

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--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:

I've just sent you a very short video clip in AVI which has been

trimmed in

Windows Movie Maker. I'll send another short clip direct from the

camera.

They are both well over 2 mgb or I would have sent longer ones but you
should be able to snatch an idea of quality. Unfortunately these

cameras use

'conditional refresh' compression algorithms so the worse images

come from

moving ...either the camera or the subject as the camera does little

work if

the image changes but a small amount.

Let me know if you don't get it...should be within 5 minutes of you
receiving this one

Surely Armours can't be the only option; if you posted on the Real
Classic forum I am sure you would turn up others that could make them.
Thing is I would only want the whole exhausts, as I am loath to cut
the down pipes thus losing the stock pipes, especially if the
powers-to-be ever decide that only stock pipes can be used for

MOT's etc.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@" <jonhaddock@>
wrote:

I've spoken to another guy who confirmed that Armours are not the

company they used to be. Frankly, I couldn't in all seriousness sell
them to you guys....

Jon


Yes, but, sadly, I was too late on the bandwagon! Did you ever

get a chance to talk to Armours about the possibility of slip-on
Fishpipes, Jon?

Ruari
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They lok and sound like the Fishpipes to me!...Sorry!


OK, folks, THIS is the SOUND I want!!! Where do we get them?





And are they slip-ons?

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Still doesn't mean that they are the only option though, just means yo
uahven't found another.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:

I looked at one or two others and at that time, Armours were unique

in that

their stuff was designed for use rather than show....Thicker metal,

stronger

internals..etc etc

Jon

HAze


Not sure you would know but how easy is it to register an old BSA
trial bike, that up to now as been used only off-road?

I have fancied going greenlaning for ages. I even got as far as
talking to the TRF at the BMF this year, but that is as far as it has got.

However the two piece of advice that they gave that stuck in my mind
was a) don't buy a cheap bike like a Bashan or another of these
Chinese imports, as they don't last as well as Jap, KTm's etc and b)
get a bike, unless it is an old 2 stroke, with electric start (the
Serrow has one), as the last thing you want to be doing when are
totally nackered, in a muddy puddle up to your knees, is trying to
kick over a hot 4 stroke single.


--- In W650riders@..., Laura <laurauk.rider@...> wrote:

Well you got me looking at an xt225 now, there's a yamaha dealer in

the town

i work see if they got one so I can sit on one! Have always fancied
greenlaning and a bike that's twice as light as my sportster, he he

that's

going to be fun err different.

Laura


On 01/07/07, Larry Botheras <larry.botheras@...> wrote:

I think it's now illegal for any bike over either 50 or 125cc to

be two

stroke??? Two stroke outboards are illegal... except for

commercial use.

Go figure.


Larry Botheras

Essex UK
W650 Wrench
2007 Moto Guzzi Norge
1977 KH400
1978 CD175
1994 Ural Solo

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From: W650riders@...

[mailto:W650riders@...] On

Behalf Of James Franklin
Sent: 01 July 2007 16:34
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS

STRIKES

AGAIN

Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance
racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.

The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki

Sherpa

250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches

or less

unladen.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS

STRIKES

AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100

OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are

they

cheap could I have them as second bike?
KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his

food

reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote:

Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda

XR 250's

are

OK. I find I can manage those well with my 27" inside leg, but I

can't

ride
the KTM's for instance.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS

STRIKES

AGAIN

I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding

position),

well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are

mostly

high
aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.

Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:

That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke

singles,

tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They

are

very

low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.

Other off-road sports are:

Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials,

have no

lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really

well but

are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect

seat

heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross

bikes

with

road front wheels on.

Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are

more

softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have

lighting

sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally

stunning

commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard

indeed

to

find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for

general urban

duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your

Harley...and

30

bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old

Yamaha

465

with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to

60 mph.

A lot

of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are

Roads...i.e.

'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In

other

words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes

still

had

to

be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often

just

muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro

bikes

are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow

paths....But

being

macho
men we used 'em anyway!

Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have

less

suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You

used to

find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey

imports

are

found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who

knew

what

they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki

Sherpa and

so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and

frankly, the

XR250

Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.

All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy

motors with

incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes

have to

have

superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy

rough

ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or

enduro

bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road

bikes into

the

weeds.

They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly

good

suspension make for a real armchair riding position.

Very high credibility too......

Jon

From: Laura

Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of

riding

in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
the grass at the rally next weekend.

Laura, here's some trials riding:




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Not so sure that is true larry.

I am sure that I saw in one of the bike mags recently that a company
was looking to develop a 2 stroke that was a midweight. The emission
laws effectively made them illegal rather than the premise of a
2-stroke being illegal in itself.


--- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras"
<larry.botheras@...> wrote:

I think it's now illegal for any bike over either 50 or 125cc to be two
stroke??? Two stroke outboards are illegal... except for commercial

use.

Go figure.


Larry Botheras

Essex UK
W650 Wrench
2007 Moto Guzzi Norge
1977 KH400
1978 CD175
1994 Ural Solo

-----Original Message-----
From: W650riders@...

[mailto:W650riders@...] On

Behalf Of James Franklin
Sent: 01 July 2007 16:34
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN

Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance
racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.

The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa
250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or

less

unladen.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS

STRIKES

AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100

OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are

they

cheap could I have them as second bike?
KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his

food

reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote:

Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR

250's

are

OK. I find I can manage those well with my 27" inside leg, but I

can't

ride
the KTM's for instance.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS

STRIKES

AGAIN

I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding

position),

well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are

mostly

high
aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.

Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:

That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke

singles,

tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They

are

very

low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.

Other off-road sports are:

Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials,

have no

lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really

well but

are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect

seat

heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross

bikes

with

road front wheels on.

Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are

more

softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have

lighting

sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally

stunning

commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard

indeed

to

find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general

urban

duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your

Harley...and

30

bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha

465

with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph.

A lot

of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are

Roads...i.e.

'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In

other

words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still

had

to

be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often

just

muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro

bikes

are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But

being

macho
men we used 'em anyway!

Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have

less

suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You

used to

find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports

are

found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew

what

they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki

Sherpa and

so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and

frankly, the

XR250

Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.

All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors

with

incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to

have

superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy

rough

ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or

enduro

bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes

into

the

weeds.

They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly

good

suspension make for a real armchair riding position.

Very high credibility too......

Jon

From: Laura

Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
the grass at the rally next weekend.

Laura, here's some trials riding:




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I've just sent you a very short video clip in AVI which has been trimmed in Windows Movie Maker. I'll send another short clip direct from the camera. They are both well over 2 mgb or I would have sent longer ones but you should be able to snatch an idea of quality. Unfortunately these cameras use 'conditional refresh' compression algorithms so the worse images come from moving ...either the camera or the subject as the camera does little work if the image changes but a small amount.

Let me know if you don't get it...should be within 5 minutes of you receiving this one

I looked at one or two others and at that time, Armours were unique in that their stuff was designed for use rather than show....Thicker metal, stronger internals..etc etc

Jon

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I'm sure yo uwould find it going on in your area laura. There is a
weekly (?) paper out called Trials and Motocross (if my memory stands
me right), which has loads of listings.

Haze...give us a shout when you are having your first proper go and,
as long as you are happy, I'll try and come and give you some support.

--- In W650riders@..., Laura <laurauk.rider@...> wrote:

Thanks Haze, looks really good. I have bookmarked it. Had no idea these
things were being organised. Around here they just do motox, jumping

as high

as you can, that's not what I like doing. The only places I've been

to in

Wales are Brecon beacons and I popped over the border from Chester

once for

an afternoon. It's a long way to Aberyswyth has to be planned properly.

Laura


On 30/06/07, Hazel Clarke <hazel@...> wrote:

If you fancy trail riding, check out this site:



I was hoping to book a day in September but that looks unlikely

now as the

Morini bill was about ?650 (ouch!!) but they do women only days

and have

bikes suitable for short-legged people. Their prices also look

very good.

I have spoken to Marianne a couple of times and she recommends the

Serrow if

you are on a lower budget.

Haze

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:02 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS

STRIKES

AGAIN

Every time I get on this list, I seem to be wanting a second time

after a

while. he he. That's quite a lot 1.5 inches. I like sitting on other
people's bikes. Yeah narrow that makes a lot of difference I know.

Laura



On 30/06/07, Hazel Clarke <hazel@...> wrote:

You can't rule them out just because they look high. I've made the
morini lower now by dropping the forks through the yokes by

about 1.5inches. It makes loads of difference & it still has plenty
of ground

clearance. The taller looking bikes are often narrower as well

which makes

a difference as your legs are reaching more directly to the

ground, if that

makes sense. Get a few people to let you sit on their bikes to

get an idea.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS

STRIKES

AGAIN

I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding
position), well the ones I saw but don't know what they were.

But they are

mostly high aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really

helpful.

Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... < jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:

That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
singles,
tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt.

They are

very low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.

Other off-road sports are:

Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials,

have no

lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really

well

but are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension

travel...expect seat

heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross

bikes

with
road front wheels on.

Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are

more

softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have

lighting

sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally
stunning
commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard

indeed

to
find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your

Harley...and

30 bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old

Yamaha 465

with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60

mph. A

lot of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are
Roads...i.e.
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In

other

words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes

still had

to be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are

often just

muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on

Enduro bikes

are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow

paths....But being

macho
men we used 'em anyway!

Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have

less

suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised.

You used

to find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey

imports are

found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who

knew what

they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki

Sherpa

and so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the
XR250
Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.

All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have

to have

superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on

bumpy rough

ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or

enduro

bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes

into the

weeds.

They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and

amazingly good

suspension make for a real armchair riding position.

Very high credibility too......

Jon

From: Laura

Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
the grass at the rally next weekend.

Laura, here's some trials riding:




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In the UK XR's are street legal. Almost Enduro bikes are. I used to ride a Yamaha IT465 on the road and more recently a Husqvarna TE350. The XR 250 is a lighter, quicker and better made bike than any dual-sport compromise and once tyres are changed, makes a brilliant little road bike.

?

You'd struggle to get a better urban tool than an XR with road tyres on.

That's why I don't live in the UK, no NX's. I'd forgotten the reason. SORRY Laura I was certain that you wanted to street ride too. We don't have a KING JON in the colonies to save us from outsiders opinions,knowledge and riding experience. I beg your forgiveness OH god of all things bike, but we're not coming back to the motherland. Get an NX you'll love it. He can't kill all of us.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jonhaddock@...

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN

?

Hmm...Those weren't based on the XR though...they're water-cooled for starters...Not available in the UK and not many grey imports brought in because they weren't as good as an XR at fast stuff and weren't as good as a Serow at nadgery trails . Quite heavy too...

Laura: The best of all those 250's was the Honda NX 250 from '88,'89 and very cool with it's mini fairing. Here's a pic of my NX 650, they looked alike.?Used they're reasonably priced. Daniel

----- Original Message -----

From: Laura

To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:22 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN

Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250) what would be I be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for town/commuting. I do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable. But you know I go through phases so please don't take it that I will go and buy one tomorrow, I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't even sat one. Are they easy to get hold of?

Laura

On 01/07/07, James Franklin <jimw650@hotmail.com> wrote:

Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.

The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa 250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or less
unladen.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





>From: Laura <laurauk.rider@googlemail.com >
>Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>AGAIN
>Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100
>
>OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are they
>cheap could I have them as second bike?
>KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his food
>reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
>Laura
>
>
>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@onetel.net < jonhaddock@onetel.net> wrote:
>>
>>??Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR 250's are
>>OK. I find I can manage those??well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't
>>ride
>>the KTM's for instance.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@googlemail.com>
>>*To:* W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>>*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
>>*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>>AGAIN
>>
>>I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding position),
>>well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
>>high
>>aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.
>>
>>Laura
>>
>>
>>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@onetel.net < jonhaddock@onetel.net
>>net+>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
>>singles,
>> >
>> > tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They are
>>very
>> > low
>> > geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
>> > approximately
>> > where the seat would have been.
>> >
>> > Other off-road sports are:
>> >
>> > Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials, have no
>> > lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really well but
>> > are
>> > stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect seat
>> > heights
>> > in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes
>>with
>> > road front wheels on.
>> >
>> > Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
>> > softly
>> > tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have lighting
>> > sets.
>> > These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally
>>stunning
>> > commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard indeed
>>to
>> > find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
>> > duties.
>> > They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your Harley...and
>>30
>> > bhp
>> > in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha 465
>> > with
>> > 42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A lot
>> > of
>> > Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are Roads...i.e.
>> > 'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In other
>> > words,
>> > forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still had
>>to
>> > be
>> > fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often just
>> > muddy
>> > tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro bikes
>> > are
>> > not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But being
>> > macho
>> > men we used 'em anyway!
>> >
>> > Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have less
>> > suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You used to
>> > find
>> > some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports are
>> > found.
>> > They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew what
>> > they
>> > were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki Sherpa and
>> > so
>> > on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the
>>XR250
>> >
>> > Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.
>> >
>> > All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
>> > incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to have
>> > superb
>> > handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy rough
>> > ground
>> > and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
>> > bike
>> > with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into the
>> > weeds.
>> >
>> > They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly good
>> > suspension make for a real armchair riding position.
>> >
>> > Very high credibility too......
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > From: Laura
>> > >>Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
>> > >>in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
>> > >>the grass at the rally next weekend.
>> > >
>> > > Laura, here's some trials riding:
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Surely Armours can't be the only option; if you posted on the Real
Classic forum I am sure you would turn up others that could make them.
Thing is I would only want the whole exhausts, as I am loath to cut
the down pipes thus losing the stock pipes, especially if the
powers-to-be ever decide that only stock pipes can be used for MOT's etc.


--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:

I've spoken to another guy who confirmed that Armours are not the

company they used to be. Frankly, I couldn't in all seriousness sell
them to you guys....

Jon


Yes, but, sadly, I was too late on the bandwagon! Did you ever

get a chance to talk to Armours about the possibility of slip-on
Fishpipes, Jon?

Ruari
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They lok and sound like the Fishpipes to me!...Sorry!


OK, folks, THIS is the SOUND I want!!! Where do we get them?





And are they slip-ons?

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