Not so sure that is true larry.
I am sure that I saw in one of the bike mags recently that a company
was looking to develop a 2 stroke that was a midweight. The emission
laws effectively made them illegal rather than the premise of a
2-stroke being illegal in itself.
--- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras"
<larry.botheras@...> wrote:
I think it's now illegal for any bike over either 50 or 125cc to be two
stroke??? Two stroke outboards are illegal... except for commercial
use.
Go figure.
Larry Botheras
Essex UK
W650 Wrench
2007 Moto Guzzi Norge
1977 KH400
1978 CD175
1994 Ural Solo
-----Original Message-----
From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On
Behalf Of James Franklin
Sent: 01 July 2007 16:34
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN
Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance
racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.
The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa
250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or
less
unladen.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS
STRIKES
AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100
OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are
they
cheap could I have them as second bike?
KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his
food
reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
Laura
On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR
250's
are
OK. I find I can manage those well with my 27" inside leg, but I
can't
ride
the KTM's for instance.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS
STRIKES
AGAIN
I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding
position),
well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are
mostly
high
aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.
Laura
On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:
That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
singles,
tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They
are
very
low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.
Other off-road sports are:
Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials,
have no
lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really
well but
are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect
seat
heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross
bikes
with
road front wheels on.
Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are
more
softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have
lighting
sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally
stunning
commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard
indeed
to
find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general
urban
duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your
Harley...and
30
bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha
465
with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph.
A lot
of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are
Roads...i.e.
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In
other
words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still
had
to
be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often
just
muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro
bikes
are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But
being
macho
men we used 'em anyway!
Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have
less
suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You
used to
find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports
are
found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew
what
they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki
Sherpa and
so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and
frankly, the
XR250
Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.
All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors
with
incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to
have
superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy
rough
ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or
enduro
bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes
into
the
weeds.
They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly
good
suspension make for a real armchair riding position.
Very high credibility too......
Jon
From: Laura
Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
the grass at the rally next weekend.
Laura, here's some trials riding:
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