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Re: Super Sunfish ?
Gail M. Turluck
For a Sunfish it depends on if you are using the stock original board or the
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newer white foam cored board, as the newer one is 3-3/4" longer. Either way, no more than 4-1/2 feet, I think. You could always just leave the board slightly up and be a little challenged to go upwind ... ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator -----Original Message-----
From: mikejanow [mailto:nova66s@...] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:21 AM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Super Sunfish ? It's a state or county lake. I know of one double boat ramp. 50hp. motor limit. It may be too shallow. How deep do you need for a sunfish? Or is it people just sail else where. We do have Creve Coeur, the mississippi(yes, alot people sail it) and a little farther out Carlyle, Rend, Mark Twain. Anybody know of any other close by lakes that aren't private? --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Gail M. Turluck" <turluck@c...> wrote: Maybe Horseshoe Lake is shallow and too shallow to sail? Or,access is restricted and there's nowhere to launch unless you own land on it?at 'em. -------- ----Service. If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Super Sunfish ?
SHAWN LANKFORD
If the Horseshoe lake you are refering to is the one near Granite City Illinois. I hear that it's
just too shallow and full of stumps for sailing. I am interested in sailing the Mississippi at Alton Pool but I'm concerned about the current. Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs |
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Re: Super Sunfish ?
mikejanow
It's a state or county lake. I know of one double boat ramp. 50hp.
motor limit. It may be too shallow. How deep do you need for a sunfish? Or is it people just sail else where. We do have Creve Coeur, the mississippi(yes, alot people sail it) and a little farther out Carlyle, Rend, Mark Twain. Anybody know of any other close by lakes that aren't private? --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Gail M. Turluck" <turluck@c...> wrote: Maybe Horseshoe Lake is shallow and too shallow to sail? Or,access is restricted and there's nowhere to launch unless you own land on it?at 'em. -------- ----Service. |
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Re: Super Sunfish ?
Wayne Carney
Hi Shawn,
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Ha, ha, ha, LOL I grew up in that region. Up State near Chicago, but I've sailed Creve Coeur Lake and Carlyle Lake many years ago. To keep the daggerboard held firmly, glue a couple of carpet strips in the front and rear of the trunk it slides into. I cut two 2" wide strips from a $10 fuzzy, door mat that has a dense rubber backing. Trimmed them to line about 2/3 of the height of the trunk... contact cemented them in place... works great. Capsizing isn't a big deal and is one of the first things a good sailing class would teach you. You gotta know how to get out of trouble before you get into it. Imagine a big flag on a jet ski and you've got it. Have fun, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Re: Super Sunfish ?
Gail M. Turluck
Maybe Horseshoe Lake is shallow and too shallow to sail? Or, access is
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restricted and there's nowhere to launch unless you own land on it? In Michigan it's an unending problem. Lots of lakes, tough to get at 'em. In Illinois I know it's bit different, but ... Sunfish sailors unite! Gail ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ "Arts is a bridge to walk across to a new life." "Be prepared to act on your dreams just in case they do come true." William Strickland, President and CEO, Manchester Craftsmen's Guild, Pittsburgh, PA -----Original Message-----
From: mikejanow [mailto:nova66s@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:40 PM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Super Sunfish ? So you live in Belleville? Tell me, why is it nobody ever sails on Horseshoe lake? Seems like a nice lake. I've thought about trying it sometime. --- In sunfish_sailor@..., SHAWN LANKFORD <slank23@y...> wrote: Ok, Ok, Ok, If an 85 lb. kid can do it then I'll stop whining andsuck it up! I am a 31 year old 225 lb. man, I can handle it right? ;-)Lake in Carlyle, IL and Rend Lake near Mt. Vernon, Il all are within an hour drive of myhouse. I also sail on a 50 acre lake near Pacific, Mo. A buddy owns ahouse on the lake. The weather people are calling for a partly cloudy weekend withtemps in the mid 60's here. I may try to get in some sailing on my days off if it isn't toochilly. Thanks again for everything. If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Super Sunfish ?
mikejanow
So you live in Belleville? Tell me, why is it nobody ever sails on
Horseshoe lake? Seems like a nice lake. I've thought about trying it sometime. --- In sunfish_sailor@..., SHAWN LANKFORD <slank23@y...> wrote: Ok, Ok, Ok, If an 85 lb. kid can do it then I'll stop whining andsuck it up! I am a 31 year old 225 lb. man, I can handle it right? ;-)Lake in Carlyle, IL and Rend Lake near Mt. Vernon, Il all are within an hour drive of myhouse. I also sail on a 50 acre lake near Pacific, Mo. A buddy owns ahouse on the lake. The weather people are calling for a partly cloudy weekend withtemps in the mid 60's here. I may try to get in some sailing on my days off if it isn't toochilly. Thanks again for everything. |
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Re: Super Sunfish ?
SHAWN LANKFORD
Ok, Ok, Ok, If an 85 lb. kid can do it then I'll stop whining and suck it up!
I am a 31 year old 225 lb. man, I can handle it right? ;-) Thanks for the info about using the daggerboard for leverage. I just need to get something to keep it from getting away. It has the retaining clips but they don't hold it in very well. I have seen "retaining straps" in the shop at the marina. I also need to replace my bailer. Those things can be done soon. I live in Belleville, IL a few miles east of St. Louis, Mo. I sail on 3 large lakes at Creve Coeur Lake in St. Louis, Carlyle Lake in Carlyle, IL and Rend Lake near Mt. Vernon, Il all are within an hour drive of my house. I also sail on a 50 acre lake near Pacific, Mo. A buddy owns a house on the lake. The weather people are calling for a partly cloudy weekend with temps in the mid 60's here. I may try to get in some sailing on my days off if it isn't too chilly. Thanks again for everything. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs |
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Re: Super Sunfish ?
Gail M. Turluck
Sounds like it's time for you to get it over with! Capsizing, that is. An
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85 pound kid can right a Sunfish alone. Adults have no problem. I don't know where you're sailing, but as soon as the water is 60 degrees, get on with it. If you can start close to shore by simply tipping the boat over while you're standing on the bottom (deep enough), push on the tip of the daggerboard to learn the forces involved. Then go out on the water, far enough from shore that you can't stick the mast in the bottom, and tip it over on purpose (wearing a life jacket of course). If you're a smaller adult you might have to pull on the end of the board and put your feet against the hull for leverage, but most adults can just pull on the board and the boat pops up. Kids do it all the time for fun and play ... When I flip I usually get mad, but that's because I'm racing and it lets competitors get by! When I was a kid it was great because it was refreshing on hot days ... You'll get there! Sincerely, Gail ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ "Arts is a bridge to walk across to a new life." "Be prepared to act on your dreams just in case they do come true." William Strickland, President and CEO, Manchester Craftsmen's Guild, Pittsburgh, PA -----Original Message-----
From: SHAWN LANKFORD [mailto:slank23@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:19 AM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: RE: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Super Sunfish Group? Gail, I'm guessing it's a normal feeling for a rookie, but it doesn't change the fact that I'm terrified of capsizing the boat. I have no doubt in my swimming or water survival skills. I am also familiar with water skiing and righting jet-ski/wave runner type watercraft. It's getting that seemingly HUGE sail out of the water that has me scared I guess. I understand that capsizing is part of the sport and it won't deter me from learning and enjoying sailing. My pal and I plan to have our own mini-regatta as soon as he gets a new (used) sail. I also plan to join a sailing club at a local marina. They seem to be a Laser and Hobie Cat group so I suspect they will be curious about the Super 'Fish and want to test it against their boats as well. I hope to gain some crew time in return. I'll post the results to this group. Thanks again for the valuable information, support, and advice! Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Super Sunfish Group?
SHAWN LANKFORD
Gail,
I'm guessing it's a normal feeling for a rookie, but it doesn't change the fact that I'm terrified of capsizing the boat. I have no doubt in my swimming or water survival skills. I am also familiar with water skiing and righting jet-ski/wave runner type watercraft. It's getting that seemingly HUGE sail out of the water that has me scared I guess. I understand that capsizing is part of the sport and it won't deter me from learning and enjoying sailing. My pal and I plan to have our own mini-regatta as soon as he gets a new (used) sail. I also plan to join a sailing club at a local marina. They seem to be a Laser and Hobie Cat group so I suspect they will be curious about the Super 'Fish and want to test it against their boats as well. I hope to gain some crew time in return. I'll post the results to this group. Thanks again for the valuable information, support, and advice! Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs |
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Re: Super Sunfish Group?
Gail M. Turluck
The hiking strap will help you keep it flat while going up wind and that's
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what you want to be able to do. If you can hook your ankles/feet in and lean out with better leverage you won't get too far. Of course, once you can stand the water, it's time to capsize and right it anyway so you know what to expect. Capsizing is not a bad thing, it's part of sailing, and once you get through it you learn it's not a big deal. Playing the line can become a game and part of the challenge. The standard Sunfish rig has less power and might be better for learning. The racing daggerboard is more aerodynamic and will give better forward drive, particularly with the high aspect ratio rig. It takes a little more hiking out effort to keep the boat flat, though. Maybe sometime you can "drag race" the standard Sunfish as I've always wanted to know if the speeds come out comparable or not! Good luck. Gail ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ "Arts is a bridge to walk across to a new life." "Be prepared to act on your dreams just in case they do come true." William Strickland, President and CEO, Manchester Craftsmen's Guild, Pittsburgh, PA -----Original Message-----
From: SHAWN LANKFORD [mailto:slank23@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:57 PM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: RE: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Super Sunfish Group? I think I will stick with the "standard" Super Sunfish Rig and hone my skills on it. My buddy has a "regular" Sunfish and I am able to sail it whenever I want. As for the racing daggerboard and hiking strap, those seem to be a little "advanced" for me at this stage. I keeled her over to what seemed like 45 degrees or more the other day and almost wiped out. I think I'll keep an even keel until I'm more familiar with my "what to do in this situation" awareness is more developed. I enjoy reading the group postings and look forward to joining a local sailing group at my marina soon. This should provide much needed crew experience. Thanks for the information. Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Super Sunfish Group?
SHAWN LANKFORD
I think I will stick with the "standard" Super Sunfish Rig and hone my skills on it. My buddy has
a "regular" Sunfish and I am able to sail it whenever I want. As for the racing daggerboard and hiking strap, those seem to be a little "advanced" for me at this stage. I keeled her over to what seemed like 45 degrees or more the other day and almost wiped out. I think I'll keep an even keel until I'm more familiar with my "what to do in this situation" awareness is more developed. I enjoy reading the group postings and look forward to joining a local sailing group at my marina soon. This should provide much needed crew experience. Thanks for the information. Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs |
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Re: Super Sunfish Group?
Gail M. Turluck
The Super Sunfish mast fits into a standard Sunfish hull. The Super Sunfish
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rig is a secondary rig that was sold to "high tech" the Sunfish. So, our friend with a Super Sunfish just needs to find a standard rig and he's good to go. I bet he'd love a racing daggerboard to go with that Super Sunfish rig! I wonder if there's a hiking strap installed in his hull. If not, they're legal now and I encourage him to do so! Instructions are on the class web site www.sunfishclass.org ... Gail ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ "Arts is a bridge to walk across to a new life." "Be prepared to act on your dreams just in case they do come true." William Strickland, President and CEO, Manchester Craftsmen's Guild, Pittsburgh, PA -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Carney [mailto:wcarney@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 12:20 AM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: RE: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Super Sunfish Group? Gail, Any idea if the standard mast fits the Super Fish mast step? It appears from the Super Sunfish diagrams that if the mast fits the standard rig will fit right onto the Super hull. Wayne -----Original Message----- If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Super Sunfish Group?
Wayne Carney
Gail,
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Any idea if the standard mast fits the Super Fish mast step? It appears from the Super Sunfish diagrams that if the mast fits the standard rig will fit right onto the Super hull. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Re: Super Sunfish Group?
Gail M. Turluck
The Super Sunfish is sailed on a Sunfish hull with extra gear added. The
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"other" rig is a standard Sunfish rig ... Gail ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ "Arts is a bridge to walk across to a new life." "Be prepared to act on your dreams just in case they do come true." William Strickland, President and CEO, Manchester Craftsmen's Guild, Pittsburgh, PA -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne [mailto:wcarney@...] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 11:36 AM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Super Sunfish Group? Hi Shawn, The Super Sunfish is a rare breed. Not to many photos or references exist in today's literature. All the boats I have found in books or on the Net show a white sail with the SS Sunfish logo. What sort of optional sail are you looking for? Wayne --- In sunfish_sailor@..., slank23@y... wrote: A family member gave me their 1977 Super Sunfish. It is in GREAT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Super Sunfish
SHAWN LANKFORD
Wayne,
WOW, Thanks for the quick response and for the wealth of information!!! I'll check out that AMF/Alcort link later today too! I have sailed the lateen rig sunfish a few times and it appears that the hulls are the same so the rigging should cross over without much trouble. I may look for a nice used boom/mast/sail set later this summer. I think I will get to know my boat for the time and I actually enjoy the challenge of sailing with the slightly more "advanced" rigging. Thanks again for the detailed information. I hope to see postings from another Super 'Fish owner from time to time. Wishing you fair winds and following seas, Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25 |
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Re: Super Sunfish
Wayne Carney
Shawn,
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I'm glad you find the information in our files helpful. Sailing enjoyment, however you define it, is the motivation behind the organization of this group. The repository of articles, photos, and diagrams we are compiling here is intended to help Sunfish and similar boat sailors keep their boats on the water. I like to think of it as a library with an open discussion circle as opposed to a grocery store bulletin board. There have been a couple of inquiries in the group about Super Sunfish from time to time. Based on that I'd venture a guess of two or three other owners somewhere in the group. Maybe one will surface in reply to your questions. From what I have read the Super Fish was designed to be a bit more of a performance boat than the standard Sunfish with its lateen rig. The flexible mast and mid-boom sheeting is intended to allow for sail shape adjustments that the lateen rig does not. This was a way to give aspiring racers an economical entry level boat where they could learn sail handling techniques that would directly apply to Olympic Class racers. I've heard rumors that the John Black Lee sail design for the Super Sunfish was the inspiration for the Laser, but then I've also heard the Laser was modeled after the Ron Holder, Holder-12 so who knows. It's no surprise, though, that your rig has got a little "get-up-and-go". Sort of like driving an Audi A6 vs. a VW Jetta. So, I believe your sail is a performance sail given the design intentions. I am unaware of any color options. Parts for that rig are very rare these days so I wouldn't think you'd run across a variety to choose from in the used equipment market. However, here's a place you might inquire: This outfit is centered around buying and selling parts for the out-of-production AMF/Alcort boats. You might also be able to swap your high aspect ratio sail rig for the standard lateen setup if you wanted to learn with something a little tamer, but don't quote me on that. I've never seen the two side-by-side to compare the details of interchangeability. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Re: Super Sunfish Group?
SHAWN LANKFORD
I don't really need a new sail. I am fortunate that mine is in great shape. I was just wondering
if there were any other colors available and/or if mine was a "racing" sail or not. It seems to gather any passing breeze and shoot right out of the cove. It's almost too much sail sometimes considering my novice sailing experience. I was amazed to find the Super 'Fish information posted by your group. The rigging guide will be a big help! Could you venture a guess as to how many Super 'Fish owners are in this group? Thanks Shawn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25 |
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Re: Super Sunfish Group?
Wayne
Hi Shawn,
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The Super Sunfish is a rare breed. Not to many photos or references exist in today's literature. All the boats I have found in books or on the Net show a white sail with the SS Sunfish logo. What sort of optional sail are you looking for? Wayne --- In sunfish_sailor@..., slank23@y... wrote:
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Re: mysailboat
Wayne Carney
Hey, If it sail and you have fun nothing else matters.
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Super Sunfish Group?
A family member gave me their 1977 Super Sunfish. It is in GREAT
condition. I'm glad I finally found this group and will download the Super Sunfish Rigging guide ASAP! One question I have is : Did the Super 'Fish have optional sails? My boat has an all white sail with a window. Any other bits of wisdom are welcome. See you sailing in the St. Louis and Southern Illinois area! Shawn |
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