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Re: Ratchet block

 

I like the Racelite over the rubber ones because the stick will always fall to the deck if you lose it during a tack or whatever. With the rubber one it's usually pointing at some random angle in the air. I also think it has a better "feel" for some reason. I raced with the standard stick with a sail ring attached to the end. I liked it that it was always down on the deck and could move without getting into the traveller.?


On Monday, August 31, 2020, 10:04:22 AM EDT, Ralph Walker <ralphhwalker@...> wrote:


When I built my Sunfish clone I had to build my own tiller and extension, rudder etc and this is what I went with:
Racelite Tiller Extension Swivel


I have been using it for 2 years now and it works well and pivots in all directions.

Here is a photo of it installed:
Re: Ratchet block

 

Tom, I have chronicled the build on a forum hosted by the company that provides the plans for the "Moonfish". All the details can be found here:


It was such a fun build.
I had looked at many 2nd hand Sunfish (all older than I am!!), but none of them were that great and required lots of work, so I searched and found a few clone plans and decided on the Moonfish. Luckily I found a Super Sailfish mast/sail etc for $100 which helped.

If there is interest I could start a separate thread about the build.

Ralph
Re: Ratchet block

 

Hi Ralph. I'd like to hear more about your Sunfish clone. Have you told the story online somewhere? I'd enjoy reading all about it. I have a waterlogged old fish and that's an option I've been considering instead of repair.

Tom
On Monday, August 31, 2020, 09:03:49 AM CDT, Ralph Walker <ralphhwalker@...> wrote:


When I built my Sunfish clone I had to build my own tiller and extension, rudder etc and this is what I went with:
Racelite Tiller Extension Swivel


I have been using it for 2 years now and it works well and pivots in all directions.

Here is a photo of it installed:
Re: Ratchet block

 

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I installed a cam cleat as opposed to a ratchetamatic and it works just as good.? Got a ratchetamatic on my other boat.? A cam cleat is a lot. West Marine has them and a big price too.

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Mr Mike

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From: Doug Nelson
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 10:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SunfishSailor] Ratchet block

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Harken Distributor:

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Patterson Marine

Pentwater, Michigan? 49449

231-869-6411

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On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:04 AM dennis ritchie <dintervu@...> wrote:

Good morning.
I have a sunfish that only has a hook.? I want to upgrade it.? ?I see Harken has a ratchamatic.? Has anyone used this model.

I tried to call a couple of places yesterday (Including Sunfish Direct) to get prices and info but no one? answers.?

If any one has suggestions on ratchetblocks, other parts, or where to purchase, etc.? It would be greatly appreciated.?

Thanks.

Dennis Ritchie





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Re: Ratchet block

 

When I built my Sunfish clone I had to build my own tiller and extension, rudder etc and this is what I went with:
Racelite Tiller Extension Swivel


I have been using it for 2 years now and it works well and pivots in all directions.

Here is a photo of it installed:
Re: Ratchet block

 

Harken Distributor:

Patterson Marine
Pentwater, Michigan? 49449
231-869-6411


On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:04 AM dennis ritchie <dintervu@...> wrote:
Good morning.
I have a sunfish that only has a hook.? I want to upgrade it.? ?I see Harken has a ratchamatic.? Has anyone used this model.

I tried to call a couple of places yesterday (Including Sunfish Direct) to get prices and info but no one? answers.?

If any one has suggestions on ratchetblocks, other parts, or where to purchase, etc.? It would be greatly appreciated.?

Thanks.

Dennis Ritchie
Re: Ratchet block

 

Definitely. Length becomes the decision. 48” is used for racing, shorter for recreation sailing. I have carbon fiber extensions at 39” and aluminum ones at 36”. I can ship as well. These are ready to install with golf style grips.




On Monday, August 31, 2020, 9:38 AM, Lee via groups.io <leejmontes@...> wrote:

Get the universal joint so the tiller extension can be held at many different angles.? With the one plane it’s harder and more uncomfortable to sail.

Lee Montes.
NY state Sunfish Class Rep.

> On Aug 31, 2020, at 8:53 AM, dennis ritchie <dintervu@...> wrote:
>
> ?Here is a follow up to my original question.?
>
> I ended up purchasing a Harken ratchamatic block with stand up spring? from Melges.? Installed it on Saturday.? It works great.? So much better than just the hook.? The block help holds and then as soon as tension is released it freewheels.? ? Best $100 spent so far.
>
> Guess I have one more question.? My tiller is wood and original to the 1986 SF.? Does anyone recommend upgrading the extension to one that pivots in all directions vs just in one plane?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dennis Ritchie
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>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Doug Nelson <nelsondoug53@...> wrote:
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>> ?Ballpark $75.00.
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>> Patterson Marine
>> Pentwater Michigan
>>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Lane <stumpbuster@...> wrote:
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>>> ?Dennis,
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>>> I installed a Harken 2135 57mm Manual Ratchet Carbo Block, Harken Stand up Spring for Dinghy Main Sheet Blocks, and Harken Harken Spring Cup.
>>> This is 3 items from Intensity Sales.? It cost me $68.47 on 6/3/20.? I am happy with it.? You can turn on or off the ratched.? I've never turned it off.
>>>
>>> Lane
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "dennis ritchie" <dintervu@...>
>>> To: "Sunfish" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: 8/21/2020 8:28:06 AM
>>> Subject: [SunfishSailor] Ratchet block
>>>
>>> Good morning.
>>> I have a sunfish that only has a hook.? I want to upgrade it.? I see Harken has a ratchamatic.? Has anyone used this model.
>>>
>>> I tried to call a couple of places yesterday (Including Sunfish Direct) to get prices and info but no one? answers.
>>>
>>> If any one has suggestions on ratchetblocks, other parts, or where to purchase, etc.? It would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Dennis Ritchie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: Ratchet block

 

Get the universal joint so the tiller extension can be held at many different angles. With the one plane it’s harder and more uncomfortable to sail.

Lee Montes.
NY state Sunfish Class Rep.

On Aug 31, 2020, at 8:53 AM, dennis ritchie <dintervu@...> wrote:

?Here is a follow up to my original question.

I ended up purchasing a Harken ratchamatic block with stand up spring from Melges. Installed it on Saturday. It works great. So much better than just the hook. The block help holds and then as soon as tension is released it freewheels. Best $100 spent so far.

Guess I have one more question. My tiller is wood and original to the 1986 SF. Does anyone recommend upgrading the extension to one that pivots in all directions vs just in one plane?

Thanks

Dennis Ritchie



On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Doug Nelson <nelsondoug53@...> wrote:

?Ballpark $75.00.

Patterson Marine
Pentwater Michigan
On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Lane <stumpbuster@...> wrote:
?Dennis,

I installed a Harken 2135 57mm Manual Ratchet Carbo Block, Harken Stand up Spring for Dinghy Main Sheet Blocks, and Harken Harken Spring Cup.
This is 3 items from Intensity Sales. It cost me $68.47 on 6/3/20. I am happy with it. You can turn on or off the ratched. I've never turned it off.

Lane

------ Original Message ------
From: "dennis ritchie" <dintervu@...>
To: "Sunfish" <[email protected]>
Sent: 8/21/2020 8:28:06 AM
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Ratchet block

Good morning.
I have a sunfish that only has a hook. I want to upgrade it. I see Harken has a ratchamatic. Has anyone used this model.

I tried to call a couple of places yesterday (Including Sunfish Direct) to get prices and info but no one answers.

If any one has suggestions on ratchetblocks, other parts, or where to purchase, etc. It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Dennis Ritchie
Re: Ratchet block

 

Here is a follow up to my original question.

I ended up purchasing a Harken ratchamatic block with stand up spring from Melges. Installed it on Saturday. It works great. So much better than just the hook. The block help holds and then as soon as tension is released it freewheels. Best $100 spent so far.

Guess I have one more question. My tiller is wood and original to the 1986 SF. Does anyone recommend upgrading the extension to one that pivots in all directions vs just in one plane?

Thanks

Dennis Ritchie

On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Doug Nelson <nelsondoug53@...> wrote:

?Ballpark $75.00.

Patterson Marine
Pentwater Michigan
On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Lane <stumpbuster@...> wrote:

?Dennis,

I installed a Harken 2135 57mm Manual Ratchet Carbo Block, Harken Stand up Spring for Dinghy Main Sheet Blocks, and Harken Harken Spring Cup.
This is 3 items from Intensity Sales. It cost me $68.47 on 6/3/20. I am happy with it. You can turn on or off the ratched. I've never turned it off.

Lane

------ Original Message ------
From: "dennis ritchie" <dintervu@...>
To: "Sunfish" <[email protected]>
Sent: 8/21/2020 8:28:06 AM
Subject: [SunfishSailor] Ratchet block

Good morning.
I have a sunfish that only has a hook. I want to upgrade it. I see Harken has a ratchamatic. Has anyone used this model.

I tried to call a couple of places yesterday (Including Sunfish Direct) to get prices and info but no one answers.

If any one has suggestions on ratchetblocks, other parts, or where to purchase, etc. It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Dennis Ritchie
Re: Where to find a bailer in stock? #bailer

 

Okay, the new plug for the old bailer came from Essentra today and it fits perfectly. Part number FP120B, was less than twenty bucks ?with the shipping, though shipping was much more than the part cost. ?It got here in three days. The edges are a little sharp if you sail barefoot; nothing that can't be fixed with a few passes with some sandpaper. It can be finger-tightened, wrenched, or turned with a screwdriver-type blade. ?It's plastic, so you can drill or melt a hole sideways thru the threaded part, unscrew it a few turns, and let the bailer do its thing underway, without having to completely remove it. ?The bright red color means you are less likely to lose it. You'll add an o-ring from the local hardware store, perhaps.

Thanks for the tip on this plug: very Corinthian of you!

On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 2:22:34 PM CDT, Mark Suszko <mark.suszko@...> wrote:


Can anyone tell me the size and threading of the brass screw top plug for the Sunfish bailer? ? Or the aftermarket plastic replacement?I'm trying to temporarily substitute something while waiting for a real to get shipped to me.

essentra plug FP210B.JPG

Re: Bailer

 

I fought this fight recently on a Sunfish.

For the bailer cap, I was able to use a wrench to get it off.

For the stuck stuck collar I got a socket and breaker bar, and couldn't budge it.? I eventually tried out my electric harbor freight impact wrench, which quickly go it off.
Re: Bailer

 

Hi Mark and all,

I recently bought a 1971 sunfish with the original brass bailer. It does not work very well. Water gets drained very slowly when doing at least 4 or 5 knots, but as soon as I tack or decelerate, water rushes back in.

Is that the way it is supposed to be? I don't think there is a ball inside, maybe is missing. Can I use the ball of a newer plastic bailer? How much should the cap be open (a few turns or all the way out, maybe)?

Sorry for asking so many basic questions, but reading that you guys are knowledgeable about the bailer, I wanted to piggieback on the discussion

Regards,
Josh
Re: Bailer

 

I believe all you need to cut is the nut in two places, remove it and then the entire part will fall out of the hole. The trick is not to cut the cockpit floor so go slow and steady.

On Monday, August 24, 2020, 11:39:57 AM EDT, Rolan Yang via groups.io <rolanyang@...> wrote:


I bought a '74 Minifish with a steel bailer that is seized (both collar and the bailer cap) . Doused it with PB Blaster over the course of two weeks. Still won't budge.
I'd grind it off with a Dremel wheel, but on a Minifish the bailer is sunken into a recess which doesn't give much clearance along the sides.
Any advice on removal/replacement? For now my functional bailer is a 1/2 gallon milk jug cut in half.?






~Rolan


On Saturday, August 22, 2020, 11:59:51 AM EDT, Mark Suszko <mark.suszko@...> wrote:


Six bucks for the Essentra plug... and 15 bucks to ship... ouch. ?But better than the cost of a replacement OEM brass one.

On Friday, August 21, 2020, 5:17:52 PM CDT, Mark Suszko <mark.suszko@...> wrote:


The link from Essentra looks promising; I'll let everyone know how it worked out when mine arrives. Thanks for the tip!

On Friday, August 21, 2020, 3:46:01 PM CDT, Thomas Payne <thomas3452@...> wrote:


McMaster-Carr has a variety of them.




On Friday, August 21, 2020, 04:25:52 PM EDT, cjo1023 via groups.io <cjo1023@...> wrote:


Here is a stainless steel option, pricey but stailess




Plastic option










On Friday, August 21, 2020, 07:07:26 AM EDT, Signal Charlie <lewis.kent@...> wrote:



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Re: Bailer

 

Rolan; regarding the minifish bailer; why about using a router and a spiral-cut (AKA "zip") bit to get a slit cut in the collar? Might need to lay down some py to add support but you'd have precise depth control and a narrow cut without damaging the fiberglass. A Dremel can also be used like this; there are add-on attachments that create a cone-like platform to keep the Dremel vertically aligned by hand.
Re: Bailer

 

I bought a '74 Minifish with a steel bailer that is seized (both collar and the bailer cap) . Doused it with PB Blaster over the course of two weeks. Still won't budge.
I'd grind it off with a Dremel wheel, but on a Minifish the bailer is sunken into a recess which doesn't give much clearance along the sides.
Any advice on removal/replacement? For now my functional bailer is a 1/2 gallon milk jug cut in half.?






~Rolan


On Saturday, August 22, 2020, 11:59:51 AM EDT, Mark Suszko <mark.suszko@...> wrote:


Six bucks for the Essentra plug... and 15 bucks to ship... ouch. ?But better than the cost of a replacement OEM brass one.

On Friday, August 21, 2020, 5:17:52 PM CDT, Mark Suszko <mark.suszko@...> wrote:


The link from Essentra looks promising; I'll let everyone know how it worked out when mine arrives. Thanks for the tip!

On Friday, August 21, 2020, 3:46:01 PM CDT, Thomas Payne <thomas3452@...> wrote:


McMaster-Carr has a variety of them.




On Friday, August 21, 2020, 04:25:52 PM EDT, cjo1023 via groups.io <cjo1023@...> wrote:


Here is a stainless steel option, pricey but stailess




Plastic option










On Friday, August 21, 2020, 07:07:26 AM EDT, Signal Charlie <lewis.kent@...> wrote:



--
Cheers
Clark and Skipper
Our blog
Our book?

Re: Bailer

 

Six bucks for the Essentra plug... and 15 bucks to ship... ouch. ?But better than the cost of a replacement OEM brass one.

On Friday, August 21, 2020, 5:17:52 PM CDT, Mark Suszko <mark.suszko@...> wrote:


The link from Essentra looks promising; I'll let everyone know how it worked out when mine arrives. Thanks for the tip!

On Friday, August 21, 2020, 3:46:01 PM CDT, Thomas Payne <thomas3452@...> wrote:


McMaster-Carr has a variety of them.




On Friday, August 21, 2020, 04:25:52 PM EDT, cjo1023 via groups.io <cjo1023@...> wrote:


Here is a stainless steel option, pricey but stailess




Plastic option










On Friday, August 21, 2020, 07:07:26 AM EDT, Signal Charlie <lewis.kent@...> wrote:



--
Cheers
Clark and Skipper
Our blog
Our book?

Re: Bailer

 

The link from Essentra looks promising; I'll let everyone know how it worked out when mine arrives. Thanks for the tip!

On Friday, August 21, 2020, 3:46:01 PM CDT, Thomas Payne <thomas3452@...> wrote:


McMaster-Carr has a variety of them.




On Friday, August 21, 2020, 04:25:52 PM EDT, cjo1023 via groups.io <cjo1023@...> wrote:


Here is a stainless steel option, pricey but stailess




Plastic option










On Friday, August 21, 2020, 07:07:26 AM EDT, Signal Charlie <lewis.kent@...> wrote:



--
Cheers
Clark and Skipper
Our blog
Our book?

Re: Ratchet block

 

Thanks everyone. I looked at Melges. Nice site. Will call and order on Monday.

Maybe I missed it but looks like minimal installations of ratchamatics.

Thanks for your input.

Dennis Ritchie

On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Rick Keffer <lckeffer@...> wrote:
Re: Bailer

 

McMaster-Carr has a variety of them.




On Friday, August 21, 2020, 04:25:52 PM EDT, cjo1023 via groups.io <cjo1023@...> wrote:


Here is a stainless steel option, pricey but stailess




Plastic option










On Friday, August 21, 2020, 07:07:26 AM EDT, Signal Charlie <lewis.kent@...> wrote:



--
Cheers
Clark and Skipper
Our blog
Our book?

Re: Bailer

 

Here is a stainless steel option, pricey but stailess




Plastic option










On Friday, August 21, 2020, 07:07:26 AM EDT, Signal Charlie <lewis.kent@...> wrote:



--
Cheers
Clark and Skipper
Our blog
Our book?

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