Re: Leak at traveler - minifish
I have not heard of epoxy taking on water, but if you sanded away too much epoxy and the fiberglass cloth was not saturated then that might leak. Post a pic if you can. You might try spraying the area with rustoleum, it sands off easy enough when you go to do more work.
Marinetex will do it... the mariner's version of an auto mechanic using JB WELD. For that matter, JB Weld makes a white version marketed to boaters. Your hull ding, if already patched on the inside, could be filled with some Marine Tex.? It has a very short working time so you want to be ready to smooth it out well as applied, to save a lot of sanding later (marinetex is hard to sand.). I think it could be thinned with a little alcohol or whatever is recommended on the package for clean-up, thinned out a little from it's peanut butter-like texture, you could smooth it easier.?
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 11:47:10 AM CDT, Joel Grist < trucklawyer@...> wrote:
No.? It didn't occur?to me.? I thought epoxy alone would be a good patch.
Is there a spray on something that would be good enough on top of sanded epoxy?? Or something like that?? Maybe some paint?
-Joel __________________________________________________
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:42 PM chollymon2002 via <chollymon2002= [email protected]> wrote:
Did you try gelcoat over your patches? On Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 9:42 AM, Joel Grist <TruckLawyer@...> wrote: I want to thank you all for your advice and help.? In particular, "Clark and Skipper" - your tutorial on a blind patch really did the trick for me.
My goal is to get the craft sailing again - not to look the best (yet).? So I cleaned off the bottom - and found the patch I sanded was letting water in and out.? Now I could have done a better job and plan to fill in with thickened epoxy.? But I am wondering now if sanded epoxy takes on water?? If so, I need to seal these patches once I sand them down.? Can anyone recommend a water - tight spray primer???
I may?paint the whole bottom later.? But in the meantime, summer won't last forever and I'd like to sail him (yes, I know boats are usually named for women, but my daughter christened this one "Alan" - I don't know why).
-Joel Put a blind patch inside the hole and let it dry. Then build layers of fiberglass cloth up on the patch, fair, sand, paint (or gelcoat)
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Re: Leak at traveler - minifish
Marinetex will do it... the mariner's version of an auto mechanic using JB WELD. For that matter, JB Weld makes a white version marketed to boaters. Your hull ding, if already patched on the inside, could be filled with some Marine Tex. ?It has a very short working time so you want to be ready to smooth it out well as applied, to save a lot of sanding later (marinetex is hard to sand.). I think it could be thinned with a little alcohol or whatever is recommended on the package for clean-up, thinned out a little from it's peanut butter-like texture, you could smooth it easier.?
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 11:47:10 AM CDT, Joel Grist <trucklawyer@...> wrote:
No.? It didn't occur?to me.? I thought epoxy alone would be a good patch.
Is there a spray on something that would be good enough on top of sanded epoxy?? Or something like that?? Maybe some paint?
-Joel __________________________________________________
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:42 PM chollymon2002 via <chollymon2002= [email protected]> wrote:
Did you try gelcoat over your patches? On Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 9:42 AM, Joel Grist <TruckLawyer@...> wrote: I want to thank you all for your advice and help.? In particular, "Clark and Skipper" - your tutorial on a blind patch really did the trick for me.
My goal is to get the craft sailing again - not to look the best (yet).? So I cleaned off the bottom - and found the patch I sanded was letting water in and out.? Now I could have done a better job and plan to fill in with thickened epoxy.? But I am wondering now if sanded epoxy takes on water?? If so, I need to seal these patches once I sand them down.? Can anyone recommend a water - tight spray primer???
I may?paint the whole bottom later.? But in the meantime, summer won't last forever and I'd like to sail him (yes, I know boats are usually named for women, but my daughter christened this one "Alan" - I don't know why).
-Joel Put a blind patch inside the hole and let it dry. Then build layers of fiberglass cloth up on the patch, fair, sand, paint (or gelcoat)
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Cheers
Clark and Skipper
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Re: Leak at traveler - minifish
No.? It didn't occur?to me.? I thought epoxy alone would be a good patch.
Is there a spray on something that would be good enough on top of sanded epoxy?? Or something like that?? Maybe some paint?
-Joel __________________________________________________
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:42 PM chollymon2002 via <chollymon2002= [email protected]> wrote:
Did you try gelcoat over your patches? On Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 9:42 AM, Joel Grist <TruckLawyer@...> wrote: I want to thank you all for your advice and help.? In particular, "Clark and Skipper" - your tutorial on a blind patch really did the trick for me.
My goal is to get the craft sailing again - not to look the best (yet).? So I cleaned off the bottom - and found the patch I sanded was letting water in and out.? Now I could have done a better job and plan to fill in with thickened epoxy.? But I am wondering now if sanded epoxy takes on water?? If so, I need to seal these patches once I sand them down.? Can anyone recommend a water - tight spray primer???
I may?paint the whole bottom later.? But in the meantime, summer won't last forever and I'd like to sail him (yes, I know boats are usually named for women, but my daughter christened this one "Alan" - I don't know why).
-Joel Put a blind patch inside the hole and let it dry. Then build layers of fiberglass cloth up on the patch, fair, sand, paint (or gelcoat)
--
Cheers
Clark and Skipper
Our blog
Our book?
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Re: Leak at traveler - minifish
Did you try gelcoat over your patches?
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 9:42 AM, Joel Grist <TruckLawyer@...> wrote: I want to thank you all for your advice and help.? In particular, "Clark and Skipper" - your tutorial on a blind patch really did the trick for me.
My goal is to get the craft sailing again - not to look the best (yet).? So I cleaned off the bottom - and found the patch I sanded was letting water in and out.? Now I could have done a better job and plan to fill in with thickened epoxy.? But I am wondering now if sanded epoxy takes on water?? If so, I need to seal these patches once I sand them down.? Can anyone recommend a water - tight spray primer???
I may?paint the whole bottom later.? But in the meantime, summer won't last forever and I'd like to sail him (yes, I know boats are usually named for women, but my daughter christened this one "Alan" - I don't know why).
-Joel Put a blind patch inside the hole and let it dry. Then build layers of fiberglass cloth up on the patch, fair, sand, paint (or gelcoat)
--
Cheers
Clark and Skipper
Our blog
Our book?
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Re: Leak at traveler - minifish
I want to thank you all for your advice and help.? In particular, "Clark and Skipper" - your tutorial on a blind patch really did the trick for me.
My goal is to get the craft sailing again - not to look the best (yet).? So I cleaned off the bottom - and found the patch I sanded was letting water in and out.? Now I could have done a better job and plan to fill in with thickened epoxy.? But I am wondering now if sanded epoxy takes on water?? If so, I need to seal these patches once I sand them down.? Can anyone recommend a water - tight spray primer???
I may?paint the whole bottom later.? But in the meantime, summer won't last forever and I'd like to sail him (yes, I know boats are usually named for women, but my daughter christened this one "Alan" - I don't know why).
-Joel
Put a blind patch inside the hole and let it dry. Then build layers of fiberglass cloth up on the patch, fair, sand, paint (or gelcoat)
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Cheers
Clark and Skipper
Our blog
Our book?
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For anyone who would like to explore more about tiller extensions Small Boats Magazine has an article this month.
Randy Ober
An important element of boat trim
To get the best boat trim in a small sailing skiff, you shouldn’t be planted in the stern next to the tiller. Ben Fuller offers some easily made extensions that let you get your weight forward.?
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I've done PVC pipe before but never ski poles. Brilliant!? Not so sure on spring pin,? but a rivet then taped might be enough.? I love the price.??
I need a bunch (am fixing old boats)? and this is big help.? Thank you!?
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I buy old golf clubs at the Habitat. $1 each.?
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 10:15:35 AM EDT, turluck <gail@...> wrote:
I've done PVC pipe before but never ski poles. Brilliant!? Not so sure on spring pin,? but a rivet then taped might be enough.? I love the price.??
I need a bunch (am fixing old boats)? and this is big help.? Thank you!?
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I have to start looking for them here. Not common in Texas.....
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 9:40 AM Ken Anderson < ka09034@...> wrote: You are very welcome.? I have them on 9 boats, 4 sunfish 1 mini-fish and 4 lasers.? If you mount the universal in the same orientation ( open end facing the same way) on all the tillers then they are interchangeable. The rubber builds memory which way it’s oriented. If you reverse orientation I find they wear out.? ? Happy sailing? Kenny On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 7:15 AM turluck < gail@...> wrote: I've done PVC pipe before but never ski poles. Brilliant!? Not so sure on spring pin,? but a rivet then taped might be enough.? I love the price.??
I need a bunch (am fixing old boats)? and this is big help.? Thank you!?
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You are very welcome.? I have them on 9 boats, 4 sunfish 1 mini-fish and 4 lasers.? If you mount the universal in the same orientation ( open end facing the same way) on all the tillers then they are interchangeable. The rubber builds memory which way it’s oriented. If you reverse orientation I find they wear out.? ? Happy sailing? Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 7:15 AM turluck < gail@...> wrote: I've done PVC pipe before but never ski poles. Brilliant!? Not so sure on spring pin,? but a rivet then taped might be enough.? I love the price.??
I need a bunch (am fixing old boats)? and this is big help.? Thank you!?
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I've done PVC pipe before but never ski poles. Brilliant!? Not so sure on spring pin,? but a rivet then taped might be enough.? I love the price.??
I need a bunch (am fixing old boats)? and this is big help.? Thank you!?
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Thrift shop aluminum ski pole. (Aircraft quality aluminum for a buck) Cut off the rubber handle, use electrical tape to shim the Universal Joint to fit inside. Drill through aluminum pole and universal joint together with bit that is a little smaller then spring pin to be used. Leave drill bit in pole and remove drill. Tap drill bit out, use spring pin as driver. ?(I also make a small collar of pvc pipe that I heat and slide over aluminum before I start, so pvc, aluminum, and tape wrapped universal all held together with spring pin.)
Tapered end of pole: Shim tapper with electrical tape ( single width wraps) ?in 3 or 4 places to the inside diameter of pvc pipe. It should slide over snug but not bind with tape. The pvc pipe size should fit most of the way up the tapper of the ski pole. I heat the pvc pipe ( fire, heat gun, maybe hair dryer) and drive it the rest?of the way up the taper. Put on a cap. $150 hiking stick for around $8.? Universal Joint
Bamboo or an old golf club -----Original Message----- From: John Wang via <jwang_hbs= [email protected]> To: [email protected]Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 12:33 pm Subject: Re: [SunfishSailor] Ratchet block At Community Boating in Boston they use what appears to be PVC piping for the tiller extensions in their Mercury fleet. ?
They still use a the rubber U-joint (purchased separately) to hold it to the tiller though.
? The extensions are pricey, has anyone made or found a cheaper substitute? On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 10:50 AM Chad Bean < Z28colt@...> wrote:
The wood tiller works fine.? I really like the tiller extension with the rubber universal joint though.? I have a longer extension that I like when I'm racing alone.? When my son is on the boat with me, I find myself wishing that I had a shorter extension. I'd say that upgrading to the universal joint will make a much smaller difference than upgrading from the hook to a block for the sheet though.?
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Re: Ratchet block and tiller extension
Unlike larger sailboats, where the goal is often to proceed on a course for an extended length of time, Sunfish are usually sailed with more frequent heading changes. Even when sailing a straight course Sunfish require frequent main sheet adjustments to sail most efficiently. That's why I prefer the ratchet block which makes it easy to add and ease sheet tension as necessary and a tiller extension with a universal joint. On those very rare occasions, when I need both hands for something other than boat control, I find it easy to put a slip knot in the sheet at the block and lay the hiking stick on the deck so I can sit on it to hold course. I can get my sandwich out of the cuddy and unwrapped, grab the sheet, and hold sandwich and hiking stick in my aft hand and enjoy my lunch. Other than that, to me the joy of Sunfish sailing is the constant tweaking of mainsheet and rudder to get the absolute best performance from the boat in the wind that nature provides. I can't recall a time, when I actually got all that the boat was capable of, but the fun is in the trying.
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Bamboo or an old golf club
-----Original Message-----
From: John Wang via groups.io <jwang_hbs@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: [SunfishSailor] Ratchet block
At Community Boating in Boston they use what appears to be PVC piping for the tiller extensions in their Mercury fleet. ?
They still use a the rubber U-joint (purchased separately) to hold it to the tiller though.
On Aug 31, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Dave Aronson <vickie.aronson@...> wrote:
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The extensions are pricey, has anyone made or found a cheaper substitute?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 10:50 AM Chad Bean < Z28colt@...> wrote:
The wood tiller works fine.? I really like the tiller extension with the rubber universal joint though.? I have a longer extension that I like when I'm racing alone.? When my son is on the boat with me, I find myself wishing that I had a shorter extension. I'd say that upgrading to the universal joint will make a much smaller difference than upgrading from the hook to a block for the sheet though.?
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Bamboo or an old golf club
-----Original Message-----
From: John Wang via groups.io <jwang_hbs@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: [SunfishSailor] Ratchet block
At Community Boating in Boston they use what appears to be PVC piping for the tiller extensions in their Mercury fleet. ?
They still use a the rubber U-joint (purchased separately) to hold it to the tiller though.
On Aug 31, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Dave Aronson <vickie.aronson@...> wrote:
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The extensions are pricey, has anyone made or found a cheaper substitute?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 10:50 AM Chad Bean < Z28colt@...> wrote:
The wood tiller works fine.? I really like the tiller extension with the rubber universal joint though.? I have a longer extension that I like when I'm racing alone.? When my son is on the boat with me, I find myself wishing that I had a shorter extension. I'd say that upgrading to the universal joint will make a much smaller difference than upgrading from the hook to a block for the sheet though.?
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Great thanks for the link! I will definitely check it out. I am a Minnesotan too.
On Monday, August 31, 2020, 09:28:02 AM CDT, Ralph Walker <ralphhwalker@...> wrote:
Tom, I have chronicled the build on a forum hosted by the company that provides the plans for the "Moonfish". All the details can be found here:
It was such a fun build.
I had looked at many 2nd hand Sunfish (all older than I am!!), but none of them were that great and required lots of work, so I searched and found a few clone plans and decided on the Moonfish. Luckily I found a Super Sailfish mast/sail etc for $100 which helped.
If there is interest I could start a separate thread about the build.
Ralph
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At Community Boating in Boston they use what appears to be PVC piping for the tiller extensions in their Mercury fleet. ?
They still use a the rubber U-joint (purchased separately) to hold it to the tiller though.
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On Aug 31, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Dave Aronson <vickie.aronson@...> wrote:
? The extensions are pricey, has anyone made or found a cheaper substitute? On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 10:50 AM Chad Bean < Z28colt@...> wrote: The wood tiller works fine.? I really like the tiller extension with the rubber universal joint though.? I have a longer extension that I like when I'm racing alone.? When my son is on the boat with me, I find myself wishing that I had a shorter extension. I'd say that upgrading to the universal joint will make a much smaller difference than upgrading from the hook to a block for the sheet though.?
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I never sailed much, and not in a long time, but I'm wondering to myself if
some kind of sliding knot (there is a better word for them -- like a Prusik or
one of the many variations would work, or at least partially.
You could tie a Prusik on to the mainsheet using a short piece of suitable
rope, and then tie it off to the cleat or hook or whatever that you normally
fasten the mainsheet to.
Many of those knots require two hands to move them -- some of them can be set
up (iirc) to need only one hand in one direction (but two in the other
direction).
Mountain and tree climbers use knots like that, so they can hold a big load if
you choose the right ropes (or lines ;-)
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On Monday, August 31, 2020 11:58:20 AM Dave Aronson wrote: The extensions are pricey, has anyone made or found a cheaper substitute?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 10:50 AM Chad Bean <Z28colt@...> wrote:
The wood tiller works fine. I really like the tiller extension with the
rubber universal joint though. I have a longer extension that I like
when I'm racing alone. When my son is on the boat with me, I find
myself wishing that I had a shorter extension. I'd say that upgrading to
the universal joint will make a much smaller difference than upgrading
from the hook to a block for the sheet though.
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The extensions are pricey, has anyone made or found a cheaper substitute?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 10:50 AM Chad Bean < Z28colt@...> wrote: The wood tiller works fine.? I really like the tiller extension with the rubber universal joint though.? I have a longer extension that I like when I'm racing alone.? When my son is on the boat with me, I find myself wishing that I had a shorter extension. I'd say that upgrading to the universal joint will make a much smaller difference than upgrading from the hook to a block for the sheet though.?
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The wood tiller works fine.? I really like the tiller extension with the rubber universal joint though.? I have a longer extension that I like when I'm racing alone.? When my son is on the boat with me, I find myself wishing that I had a shorter extension. I'd say that upgrading to the universal joint will make a much smaller difference than upgrading from the hook to a block for the sheet though.?
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