Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
Would love to see some pictures of you can please email them?
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
My condenser is on the roof and has two fans.? One of my evaporator/heater units is on the ceiling next to the right d. Pillar..? ? The other is inside my dashboard.? ?Each evaporator /heater unit supposedly has a capacity of 1.5 T (18k) has its own TXV. It works ok, but is a bit under sized.? I also have separate heater valves for the front and rear boxes.
I used the standard Subaru compressor.
What else did you do to increase the capacity of the AC to 32K?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
There's enough space for the battery and AC lines.?
My AC lines run through there as well since my 32k BTU replacement headbanger AC is fed through the right side to disentangle them from the cabinet.?
You run your heater lines there too?? Where do they go?/what do they feed?
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
Thanks.? ?I probably will need to put mine on the left side because my condenser, rear refrigerant, and? heater lines run through my d pillar on the right side.? ?In short, my right d pillar is already pretty crowded.
I placed the subie intake box on the left side and need to see how much space remains? Maybe only 8x8x8.? ?That's appx the same size as my agm.?
I still wonder about mounting below the floor, or above the trans axle, with access via the underside.? ?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Check this out... Also came up with a corner eat to tie it down in there .... If you go this direction let me know when you have the battery and I'll send some pics of the tie down
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
What size battery did you put in there?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Mine lives happily in the right rear pillar platform.? Closer to everything
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
FS10 compressor... The kind they use in 15 passenger vans and school buses?
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
My condenser is on the roof and has two fans.? One of my evaporator/heater units is on the ceiling next to the right d. Pillar..? ? The other is inside my dashboard.? ?Each evaporator /heater unit supposedly has a capacity of 1.5 T (18k) has its own TXV. It works ok, but is a bit under sized.? I also have separate heater valves for the front and rear boxes.
I used the standard Subaru compressor.
What else did you do to increase the capacity of the AC to 32K?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
There's enough space for the battery and AC lines.?
My AC lines run through there as well since my 32k BTU replacement headbanger AC is fed through the right side to disentangle them from the cabinet.?
You run your heater lines there too?? Where do they go?/what do they feed?
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
Thanks.? ?I probably will need to put mine on the left side because my condenser, rear refrigerant, and? heater lines run through my d pillar on the right side.? ?In short, my right d pillar is already pretty crowded.
I placed the subie intake box on the left side and need to see how much space remains? Maybe only 8x8x8.? ?That's appx the same size as my agm.?
I still wonder about mounting below the floor, or above the trans axle, with access via the underside.? ?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Check this out... Also came up with a corner eat to tie it down in there .... If you go this direction let me know when you have the battery and I'll send some pics of the tie down
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
What size battery did you put in there?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Mine lives happily in the right rear pillar platform.? Closer to everything
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
My condenser is on the roof and has two fans.? One of my evaporator/heater units is on the ceiling next to the right d. Pillar..? ? The other is inside my dashboard.? ?Each evaporator /heater unit supposedly has a capacity of 1.5 T (18k) has its own TXV. It works ok, but is a bit under sized.? I also have separate heater valves for the front and rear boxes.
I used the standard Subaru compressor.
What else did you do to increase the capacity of the AC to 32K?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
There's enough space for the battery and AC lines.?
My AC lines run through there as well since my 32k BTU replacement headbanger AC is fed through the right side to disentangle them from the cabinet.?
You run your heater lines there too?? Where do they go?/what do they feed?
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
Thanks.? ?I probably will need to put mine on the left side because my condenser, rear refrigerant, and? heater lines run through my d pillar on the right side.? ?In short, my right d pillar is already pretty crowded.
I placed the subie intake box on the left side and need to see how much space remains? Maybe only 8x8x8.? ?That's appx the same size as my agm.?
I still wonder about mounting below the floor, or above the trans axle, with access via the underside.? ?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Check this out... Also came up with a corner eat to tie it down in there .... If you go this direction let me know when you have the battery and I'll send some pics of the tie down
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
What size battery did you put in there?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Mine lives happily in the right rear pillar platform.? Closer to everything
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
Regarding starter and battery discussion:
- Any pre '86 Vanagon will have lighter gauge battery cable running back to starter. Easy to retrofit the later, heavier cable (or fab one; marine battery cable is readily available)
- Ditto starter motors. Later 2.1 Bosch starter motors have significantly?more torque than earlier motors
- The Bosch TDI starter is very robust, and needs ample current (at least 2.1L cable or better)
- I have an aftermarket gear reduction starter in my '85 SVX Westy, but it's becoming finicky after 12 years. Probably go with TDI starter next...
- T1 and T2 transporters all had batteries back in the engine compartment. With T3, assume designers hoped to address weight distribution somewhat. Bit academic, particularly with Westfalias, I would guess. Suggest use existing battery cable to take primary power forward if you relocate?battery; voltage drop will be minimized
(Hope this helps...)
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
There's enough space for the battery and AC lines.?
My AC lines run through there as well since my 32k BTU replacement headbanger AC is fed through the right side to disentangle them from the cabinet.?
You run your heater lines there too?? Where do they go?/what do they feed?
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
Thanks.? ?I probably will need to put mine on the left side because my condenser, rear refrigerant, and? heater lines run through my d pillar on the right side.? ?In short, my right d pillar is already pretty crowded.
I placed the subie intake box on the left side and need to see how much space remains? Maybe only 8x8x8.? ?That's appx the same size as my agm.?
I still wonder about mounting below the floor, or above the trans axle, with access via the underside.? ?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Check this out... Also came up with a corner eat to tie it down in there .... If you go this direction let me know when you have the battery and I'll send some pics of the tie down
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
What size battery did you put in there?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Mine lives happily in the right rear pillar platform.? Closer to everything
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
Thanks.? ?I probably will need to put mine on the left side because my condenser, rear refrigerant, and? heater lines run through my d pillar on the right side.? ?In short, my right d pillar is already pretty crowded.
I placed the subie intake box on the left side and need to see how much space remains? Maybe only 8x8x8.? ?That's appx the same size as my agm.?
I still wonder about mounting below the floor, or above the trans axle, with access via the underside.? ?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Check this out... Also came up with a corner eat to tie it down in there .... If you go this direction let me know when you have the battery and I'll send some pics of the tie down
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
What size battery did you put in there?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Mine lives happily in the right rear pillar platform.? Closer to everything
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
Check this out... Also came up with a corner eat to tie it down in there .... If you go this direction let me know when you have the battery and I'll send some pics of the tie down
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
What size battery did you put in there?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Mine lives happily in the right rear pillar platform.? Closer to everything
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
What size battery did you put in there?
Eric Freudenthal
sent from my mobile
Mine lives happily in the right rear pillar platform.? Closer to everything
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
I used the Subaru donor battery ground cable as a new/extra starter
ground from the starter lower mount bolt to the frame. After that the
stock 84 starter did a fine job on the 2.2.
Rob
vwrobb@...
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
If you have room the engine bay is a good spot?
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 6:40?AM Eric Freudenthal via groups.io <eric@...> wrote:
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
Mine lives happily in the right rear pillar platform.? Closer to everything
Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
I have a 92 ej22 and the original VW starter in my 81 westy and used to have a 50 AH agm behind the passenger seat.? ?Didn't spin very fast.? ?I moved? the battery to under the back seat (and now store shoes where it used to live).? The original starter now spins with vigor thanks to the shorter electrical connections.? ?Maybe a direct ground wire from the original spot would provide the same effect?
We really want to create more storage.? Beyond exploiting space between the inside and outside walls, I'm now thinking of moving the battery to the underside.? ?The question is where.? ?Thoughts?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery
I agree.? Simple group 41.? The Bosch starter motor, the adapter plate Karl Mullendore invented, these are available at Van Cafe and others.? Karl did all the work.? It does the job every time, like 6 years later; after multiple failed attempts with the Hi-Torque Motor thing....I forget the name of the outfit, some Southern California outfit.? I just bought a fresh battery at OReilleys.? Yes it had the sticker that said 12/24.? Yes it cost $199.95.? I am happy.? And that ground cable from starter ground to frame is a wise thing; nope, haven't not personally done it, but it is technically a wise move.? Especially if you live in rainy, snowy, salt covered roads places.
On Wednesday, January 15, 2025 at 05:53:21 PM PST, Wayne Sitarz via groups.io <wesitarz@...> wrote:
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Everstart Group 41 always worked for me with an 02 2.5L in my 88 AT. A ground cable from the starter ground to the frame is recommended. See threads on theSamba. The 86-91 VW starter is just adequate. I went with a high torque Bosch starter from an 02 Jetta TDI manual diesel with the WestyVentures adapter.
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Edit: the WestyVentures adapter is now available from T3 Technique and also RMW(VanCafe)
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Re: Oil pressure light coming on sporadically
I just remembered I had the issue after the first oil and filter change when I bought it way back in 2005. After reading many forums, I switched from Fram to WIX and have not had it happen again. It had something to do with how each filter controlled the oil flow.
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I am pretty sure it was mentioned on this forum but you'd have to go through many posts, as this has been brought up before. Here are a few links to get you started:
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The bad ground I mentioned earlier set off both the light and buzzer, btw.
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Freedom van Go
1989 Westy, 3.3L SVX
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Re: Oil pressure light coming on sporadically
Are there factory oil pumps not ok? I keep reading people’s side notes that seem to point this direction but haven’t seen any clarity or specifics. I have to put a new one on the short block I purchased from Subaru and am contemplating one of the pricier options available from multiple vendors where they take them apart and port etc and put it back together so it’s more reliable somehow.
Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions. 2002 2.5 NA SOHC btw if that matters?
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 10:55?PM Terry Cline via groups.io <tcline001@...> wrote:
Wow - interesting! Thanks for the thorough explanation. Something to consider, for sure.?
Terry On Jan 14, 2025, at 9:09?PM, rossmayfield@... via groups.io <Rossmayfield@...> wrote:
? If you find no other answers, definitely remove the oil pan and check the oil return pick-up tube.
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I have a 1987 doka with a '92 ej-22 that was installed by MasterCraft Motors in Santa Barbara, CA? in 2009.
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In 2013 I started hearing a very slight rattle sound that would come and go and sounded like loose valve lifters.
This was kind of sporadic and over time became more pronounced.
I took it to a local shop and asked them to see if they could figure things out.
They found a directive that oil pumps should be resealed, so I had them do this.
I got a phone call from them to come down to their shop to see what they'd discovered.
They had been doing a test run of the engine when there was a loud banging sound and they immediately shut down the engine, pulled off the oil pan
and found the oil return pick-up tube had broken in half and fallen to the bottom of the oil pan.
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My oil pan was a shortened pan, which they had been referring to as a 'Frankenstein oil pan'. When this pan was made the welding along the bottom edge
was rough, and the oil drain plug? was located right along this seam and was very difficult to seal without leaking.?
I'd tried to smooth it out with a file.
?
The oil pick-up tube had been shortened and was braised back together at a right angle.
Hanging down out of the bottom of the engine it was susceptible to engine vibration and eventually failed at this right angle joint and fell off into the bottom of the pan.
Luckily this occurred while at the mechanics shop and not somewhere out on the road, which most likely would have led to engine failure.
?
At the time I found a video on you tube discussing this issue.
Search on you tube for 'Subaru Oil Pick up failure, what you need to know' by MRT Performance.
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I ended up replacing my oil pan and pick up tube with one from Out Front Motorsports.
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d the doka up on the lift and?
. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Terry Cline via groups.io" <tcline001@...> To: [email protected]Cc: [email protected]Subject: Re: [SubaruVanagon] Oil pressure light coming on sporadically Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 14:36:46 -0800
Ah! My bad, but no worries
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Terry
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On Jan 14, 2025, at 1:08?PM, Peter Gibson via groups.io <soquel.dude=comcast.net@groups.io> wrote:
Sorry. You said "CEL is NOT going off" which I interpreted to mean CEL is staying on.
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Re: What oil (brand and viscosity) are folks using?
I used 5W-30 dino oil the first few years after conversion in my 02 2.5L in 88 AT tintop. I drove it around 6-700 miles from Victoria to northern California about 10 months after. Ran great at 65-75 mph on the I-5. Stopped overnight and next morning - piston slap. It reduced to a chronic tick, no oil consumption or lost performance for the next 20 years. It had a Smallcar shortened oilpan that I filled with 4.2 L oil. Changed to 10W-30 synthetic that I used thereafter with no problem and no worsening of the tick. Probably with the VW 3 speed AT I'd go 5W-40 or 10W-40 in hindsight. I also overfilled past? my initial mark on the dipstick a little. Edit: full synthetic whatever was on sale.
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Re: Oil pressure light coming on sporadically
What's your idle rpm? Mine was around 800 rpm with 12 volts connected to the A/C switch at the ECU.
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Re: Oil pressure light coming on sporadically
Put a pressure gauge on it. My 02 2.5 read a little lower using the rear oil galley for the running pressure but was always around 12-15 psi (guesstimating) at idle using my Autometer gauge. Then there's this from Busaru YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EsnibCFa4k?
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Re: Oil pressure light coming on sporadically
Wow - interesting! Thanks for the thorough explanation. Something to consider, for sure.?
Terry
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On Jan 14, 2025, at 9:09?PM, rossmayfield@... via groups.io <Rossmayfield@...> wrote:
? If you find no other answers, definitely remove the oil pan and check the oil return pick-up tube.
?
I have a 1987 doka with a '92 ej-22 that was installed by MasterCraft Motors in Santa Barbara, CA? in 2009.
?
In 2013 I started hearing a very slight rattle sound that would come and go and sounded like loose valve lifters.
This was kind of sporadic and over time became more pronounced.
I took it to a local shop and asked them to see if they could figure things out.
They found a directive that oil pumps should be resealed, so I had them do this.
I got a phone call from them to come down to their shop to see what they'd discovered.
They had been doing a test run of the engine when there was a loud banging sound and they immediately shut down the engine, pulled off the oil pan
and found the oil return pick-up tube had broken in half and fallen to the bottom of the oil pan.
?
My oil pan was a shortened pan, which they had been referring to as a 'Frankenstein oil pan'. When this pan was made the welding along the bottom edge
was rough, and the oil drain plug? was located right along this seam and was very difficult to seal without leaking.?
I'd tried to smooth it out with a file.
?
The oil pick-up tube had been shortened and was braised back together at a right angle.
Hanging down out of the bottom of the engine it was susceptible to engine vibration and eventually failed at this right angle joint and fell off into the bottom of the pan.
Luckily this occurred while at the mechanics shop and not somewhere out on the road, which most likely would have led to engine failure.
?
At the time I found a video on you tube discussing this issue.
Search on you tube for 'Subaru Oil Pick up failure, what you need to know' by MRT Performance.
?
I ended up replacing my oil pan and pick up tube with one from Out Front Motorsports.
?
?
?
?
d the doka up on the lift and?
. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Terry Cline via groups.io" <tcline001@...> To: [email protected]Cc: [email protected]Subject: Re: [SubaruVanagon] Oil pressure light coming on sporadically Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 14:36:46 -0800
Ah! My bad, but no worries
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Terry
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On Jan 14, 2025, at 1:08?PM, Peter Gibson via groups.io <soquel.dude@...> wrote:
Sorry. You said "CEL is NOT going off" which I interpreted to mean CEL is staying on.
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Re: Oil pressure light coming on sporadically
If you find no other answers, definitely remove the oil pan and check the oil return pick-up tube.
?
I have a 1987 doka with a '92 ej-22 that was installed by MasterCraft Motors in Santa Barbara, CA? in 2009.
?
In 2013 I started hearing a very slight rattle sound that would come and go and sounded like loose valve lifters.
This was kind of sporadic and over time became more pronounced.
I took it to a local shop and asked them to see if they could figure things out.
They found a directive that oil pumps should be resealed, so I had them do this.
I got a phone call from them to come down to their shop to see what they'd discovered.
They had been doing a test run of the engine when there was a loud banging sound and they immediately shut down the engine, pulled off the oil pan
and found the oil return pick-up tube had broken in half and fallen to the bottom of the oil pan.
?
My oil pan was a shortened pan, which they had been referring to as a 'Frankenstein oil pan'. When this pan was made the welding along the bottom edge
was rough, and the oil drain plug? was located right along this seam and was very difficult to seal without leaking.?
I'd tried to smooth it out with a file.
?
The oil pick-up tube had been shortened and was braised back together at a right angle.
Hanging down out of the bottom of the engine it was susceptible to engine vibration and eventually failed at this right angle joint and fell off into the bottom of the pan.
Luckily this occurred while at the mechanics shop and not somewhere out on the road, which most likely would have led to engine failure.
?
At the time I found a video on you tube discussing this issue.
Search on you tube for 'Subaru Oil Pick up failure, what you need to know' by MRT Performance.
?
I ended up replacing my oil pan and pick up tube with one from Out Front Motorsports.
?
?
?
?
d the doka up on the lift and?
.
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Terry Cline via groups.io" <tcline001@...> To: [email protected]Cc: [email protected]Subject: Re: [SubaruVanagon] Oil pressure light coming on sporadically Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 14:36:46 -0800
Ah! My bad, but no worries
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Terry
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On Jan 14, 2025, at 1:08?PM, Peter Gibson via groups.io <soquel.dude@...> wrote:
Sorry. You said "CEL is NOT going off" which I interpreted to mean CEL is staying on.
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Duncan
Terry Cline