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If I start with fresh oil and filter and the oil
is up to (say) the top mark, and I start the
engine, idle, shutoff, and then check the oil,
how much will it be down? That is, how much oil
goes into a fresh filter? Or am I missing something
and asking the wrong question.
Thanks,
Richard
(2005 EJ25 in my Syncro Westy)
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Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.
--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/
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Try it and see!
Filters are not all the same size, but I generally figure about half a quart.
Larry A.
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--- In subaruvanagon@..., Richard A Jones <jones@...> wrote:
If I start with fresh oil and filter and the oil
is up to (say) the top mark, and I start the
engine, idle, shutoff, and then check the oil,
how much will it be down? That is, how much oil
goes into a fresh filter? Or am I missing something
and asking the wrong question.
Thanks,
Richard
(2005 EJ25 in my Syncro Westy)
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Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say you have to check every car. The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small. Guess I'll measure and see. Thanks, Richard
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Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in that I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps. Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine? Thanks, Jake On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:
> Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
-- Jake ------------------------------------------ Crescent Beach, BC ----------------------------------------------------- 1984 GL 1.9 WBX 1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
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Not dumb at all Richard. But probably something you'd best measure
for yourself.
And as to other comments about bigger oil filters.....
I have purchased a larger oil filter but ran into problems with
clearance and the smallcar carrier. Maybe they've changed since i
purchased mine (carrier) which was about 2007 or so but make sure you
measure before you dump your oil and old filter!!!
all the best,
brent
--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/
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Jake:
I installed an aftermarket oil cooler and my 2.2 now uses a Wix 51381 filter, which is significantly larger than the OEM filter.
Craig
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--- On Thu, 4/12/12, Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...> wrote: From: Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...> Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Re: oil quantity in filter--EJ25 To: subaruvanagon@... Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:35 PM Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here.? Its a bit of an issue for me, in that I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps. Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine? Thanks, Jake On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:
? > Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
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-- Jake ------------------------------------------ Crescent Beach, BC ----------------------------------------------------- 1984 GL 1.9 WBX 1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hey Jake
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of that available vol'
Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount & there is no "fit" issue
ORR ~ DeanB
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--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...> wrote:
Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.
Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?
Thanks, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:
> Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
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Thanks guys! Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous! Seeya, Jake On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat <olrivrrat@...> wrote:
Hey Jake
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'
Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount & there is no
"fit" issue
ORR ~ DeanB
--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...>
wrote:
Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in
that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.
Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?
Thanks, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:
Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your
oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
-- Jake ------------------------------------------ Crescent Beach, BC ----------------------------------------------------- 1984 GL 1.9 WBX 1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
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On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:41 PM, OlRivrRat wrote: I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints Although the Tough Guard is better, by far, than all the other Frams that Honeywell (Canada) makes, it's still inferior in materials and end cap material and can strength, to what Tokyo Roki of Japan makes, in the black H6 3.0 and 3.6 filters. If all you are looking for is the ability to carry 1/4 to 1/2 quart more oil, then I suppose a larger filter is a good thing. But if in doing that you are sacrificing good filtering, good drainback valving, and good pressure and bypass function, then you might want to reconsider. Why not just add either an oil cooler OR remote filter set up, which would allow almost 2 more quarts of oil in the system? I've looked at the product that Amsoil offers for that and have just not sprung for the $200+ it would cost to do it, and finding a place on the frame to mount it conveniently. The black Tokyo Roki filters for 3.0 and 3.6 will fit/work on the 2.5. It worked on my 2.2. Also, if larger is what you are after, the WIX 51356 is a good filter and probably the way to go. bob
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Some filters have a bypass so pitch and gasket are not the only parameters. Thanks, Tom ________________________________ From: Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...> To: subaruvanagon@... Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Re: oil quantity in filter--EJ25 Thanks guys! Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is probably where I'll end up.? I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous! Seeya, Jake On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat <olrivrrat@...> wrote:
Hey Jake
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'
Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount & there is no
"fit" issue
ORR ~ DeanB
--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...>
wrote:
Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in
that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.
Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?
Thanks, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:
Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your
oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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-- Jake ------------------------------------------ Crescent Beach, BC ----------------------------------------------------- 1984 GL 1.9 WBX 1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I saw an interesting item yesterday in a British magazine that a
Subaru-vanagon customer sends me..
RaceCar Engineering Magazine ....- some interesting stuff in there .
www.drysump.com
they have one for subaru ..
3 oil line connections on the bottom.
I 'should' develop a subaru-vanagon dry sump system..
and sell kits.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
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On 4/12/2012 4:02 PM, Jake de Villiers wrote: Thanks guys!
Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!
Seeya, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...> wrote:
Hey Jake
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'
Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue
ORR ~ DeanB
--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers<subyjake@...>
wrote:
Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.
Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?
Thanks, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@...>wrote:
Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your
oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential
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Nice stuff but check the prices. On 2012-04-12, at 18:56, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...> wrote: I saw an interesting item yesterday in a British magazine that a
Subaru-vanagon customer sends me..
RaceCar Engineering Magazine ....- some interesting stuff in there .
www.drysump.com
they have one for subaru ..
3 oil line connections on the bottom.
I 'should' develop a subaru-vanagon dry sump system..
and sell kits.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
On 4/12/2012 4:02 PM, Jake de Villiers wrote:
Thanks guys!
Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!
Seeya, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...> wrote:
Hey Jake
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'
Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue
ORR ~ DeanB
--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers<subyjake@...>
wrote:
Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.
Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?
Thanks, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@...>wrote:
Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your
oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hey Bob, I wouldn't use Fram if you paid me... The Wix 51356 is hardly bigger than the OEM Subaru filter I'm currently using (2.625" D. x 2.5" H.) - looks like a waste of time. The Wix 51334 is bigger than that one, as are the 51318 & 51344. I'm going to have to do some measuring to check for fit, but here's some relevant data from the Wix site: Wix 51334 - Subaru filter Part Number: 51334 Principal Application: Subaru (87-12) Height: 3.194 Outer Diameter Top: 3.252 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Burst Pressure-PSI: 280 Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micron Rating: 21 Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Part Number: 51318 Principal Application: John Deere Loaders, Yanmar Marine Engines Height: 4.803 Outer Diameter Top: 3.673 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 16 PSI Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Burst Pressure-PSI: 280 Max Flow Rate: 8-10 GPM Nominal Micron Rating: 21 Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.538 2.224 0.200 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wix - Mazda V-6 Part Number: 51356 Principal Application: Mazda V-6(71-00), Height: 3.402 Outer Diameter Top: 2.685 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Burst Pressure-PSI: 363 Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micron Rating: 21 Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233 --------------------------------------------------------------- Part Number: 51344 Principal Application: Isuzu & Yanmar, Kubota, Mitsubishi Engines Height: 4.069 Outer Diameter Top: 3.242 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20 Burst Pressure-PSI: 360 Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micron Rating: 21 Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.490 2.200 0.148 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Seeya, Jake On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Robert Stevens <mtbiker62@...> wrote:
On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:41 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Although the Tough Guard is better, by far, than all the other Frams that
Honeywell (Canada) makes, it's still inferior in materials and end cap
material and can strength, to what Tokyo Roki of Japan makes, in the
black H6 3.0 and 3.6 filters. If all you are looking for is the ability to
carry 1/4 to 1/2 quart more oil, then I suppose a larger filter is a good
thing. But if in doing that you are sacrificing good filtering, good
drainback valving, and good pressure and bypass function, then
you might want to reconsider. Why not just add either an oil cooler
OR remote filter set up, which would allow almost 2 more quarts
of oil in the system? I've looked at the product that Amsoil offers
for that and have just not sprung for the $200+ it would cost to
do it, and finding a place on the frame to mount it conveniently.
Jake
-- Jake ------------------------------------------ Crescent Beach, BC ----------------------------------------------------- 1984 GL 1.9 WBX 1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Not my product, just to show what is out there,
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On 2012-04-12, at 20:05, Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...> wrote: Hey Bob, I wouldn't use Fram if you paid me...
The Wix 51356 is hardly bigger than the OEM Subaru filter I'm currently
using (2.625" D. x 2.5" H.) - looks like a waste of time. The Wix 51334 is
bigger than that one, as are the 51318 & 51344.
I'm going to have to do some measuring to check for fit, but here's some
relevant data from the Wix site:
Wix 51334 - Subaru filter
Part Number: 51334
Principal Application: Subaru (87-12)
Height: 3.194
Outer Diameter Top: 3.252
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
----------------------------------------------------------------
Part Number: 51318
Principal Application: John Deere Loaders, Yanmar Marine Engines
Height: 4.803
Outer Diameter Top: 3.673
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 16 PSI
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 8-10 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.538 2.224 0.200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wix - Mazda V-6
Part Number: 51356
Principal Application: Mazda V-6(71-00),
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 363
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
---------------------------------------------------------------
Part Number: 51344
Principal Application: Isuzu & Yanmar, Kubota, Mitsubishi Engines
Height: 4.069
Outer Diameter Top: 3.242
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI: 360
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.490 2.200 0.148
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Seeya, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Robert Stevens <mtbiker62@...> wrote:
On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:41 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Although the Tough Guard is better, by far, than all the other Frams that
Honeywell (Canada) makes, it's still inferior in materials and end cap
material and can strength, to what Tokyo Roki of Japan makes, in the
black H6 3.0 and 3.6 filters. If all you are looking for is the ability to
carry 1/4 to 1/2 quart more oil, then I suppose a larger filter is a good
thing. But if in doing that you are sacrificing good filtering, good
drainback valving, and good pressure and bypass function, then
you might want to reconsider. Why not just add either an oil cooler
OR remote filter set up, which would allow almost 2 more quarts
of oil in the system? I've looked at the product that Amsoil offers
for that and have just not sprung for the $200+ it would cost to
do it, and finding a place on the frame to mount it conveniently.
Jake
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
|
Larger filter will not fit in Syncro with skid plate afaik
Oil cooler has to be removed too. Has anyone noticed any problem with lack of stock oil cooler?
Leon
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On 4/12/2012 4:02 PM, Jake de Villiers wrote: Thanks guys!
Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!
Seeya, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...> wrote:
Hey Jake
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'
Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue
ORR ~ DeanB
--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers<subyjake@...>
wrote:
Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.
Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?
Thanks, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@...>wrote:
Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your
oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential
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I relocated my oil cooler and filter like this:
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My oil capacity is about 4.75 quarts with this setup. Been working great since 2005!
Kevin
89' Syncro Westy WRX STi V2
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--- In subaruvanagon@..., Leon Korkin <korkwood@...> wrote:
Larger filter will not fit in Syncro with skid plate afaik
Oil cooler has to be removed too. Has anyone noticed any problem with
lack of stock oil cooler?
Leon
On 4/12/2012 4:02 PM, Jake de Villiers wrote:
Thanks guys!
Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!
Seeya, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...> wrote:
Hey Jake
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'
Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue
ORR ~ DeanB
--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers<subyjake@>
wrote:
Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.
Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?
Thanks, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@>wrote:
Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your
oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential
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sure .. the dry sump subaru aluminum oil pan is ... what ...800 bucks ? ( just guessing ) you only have to buy it once. On 4/12/2012 6:31 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote:
Nice stuff but check the prices.
Sent from my iPad
On 2012-04-12, at 18:56, Scott Daniel - Turbovans
<ScottDaniel@... <mailto:ScottDaniel%40turbovans.com>> wrote:
I saw an interesting item yesterday in a British magazine that a
Subaru-vanagon customer sends me..
RaceCar Engineering Magazine ....- some interesting stuff in there .
www.drysump.com
they have one for subaru ..
3 oil line connections on the bottom.
I 'should' develop a subaru-vanagon dry sump system..
and sell kits.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
On 4/12/2012 4:02 PM, Jake de Villiers wrote:
Thanks guys!
Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is
usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch
and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!
Seeya, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...
<mailto:olrivrrat%40comcast.net>> wrote:
Hey Jake
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25
because of the
size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up
some of
that available vol'
Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue
ORR ~ DeanB
--- In subaruvanagon@...
<mailto:subaruvanagon%40yahoogroups.com>, Jake de Villiers<subyjake@...>
wrote:
Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in
the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for
me, in
that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.
Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru
engine?
Thanks, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@...>wrote:
Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains
in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your
oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those
areas to
the oil drip pan. Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.
The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.
Guess I'll measure and see.
Thanks,
Richard
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential
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Hey Jake
Thanks much for the list ~ with that info I decided to switch back to Wix / NAPA Gold. Before switching to the Fram TG3593A I had been using a NAPA Gold 1365. So I am now going with NAPA Gold 1334 & it fits great. I wanted to go with the 1344 but with my setup having a "SandwitchPlate" that would have made the OilFilter the lowest item in the backend & I was uncomfortable with that.
Now to the VeryInteresting part ~ The OilPressure never gets as high & never gets as low as it did with the Fram ~ High Pressure is 8-10PSI lower than with Fram (Reved-Hot or Cold or Idle-Cold) ~ Low Pressure is about 8-10PSI Higher than with Fram (Hot @ Idle) ~ I'm quite OK with that but a bit puzzled.
ORR ~ DeanB
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--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...> wrote:
Hey Bob, I wouldn't use Fram if you paid me...
The Wix 51356 is hardly bigger than the OEM Subaru filter I'm currently
using (2.625" D. x 2.5" H.) - looks like a waste of time. The Wix 51334 is
bigger than that one, as are the 51318 & 51344.
I'm going to have to do some measuring to check for fit, but here's some
relevant data from the Wix site:
Wix 51334 - Subaru filter
Part Number: 51334
Principal Application: Subaru (87-12)
Height: 3.194
Outer Diameter Top: 3.252
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
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Part Number: 51318
Principal Application: John Deere Loaders, Yanmar Marine Engines
Height: 4.803
Outer Diameter Top: 3.673
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 16 PSI
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 8-10 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.538 2.224 0.200
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Wix - Mazda V-6
Part Number: 51356
Principal Application: Mazda V-6(71-00),
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 363
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
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Part Number: 51344
Principal Application: Isuzu & Yanmar, Kubota, Mitsubishi Engines
Height: 4.069
Outer Diameter Top: 3.242
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI: 360
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.490 2.200 0.148
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Seeya, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Robert Stevens <mtbiker62@...> wrote:
On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:41 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Although the Tough Guard is better, by far, than all the other Frams that
Honeywell (Canada) makes, it's still inferior in materials and end cap
material and can strength, to what Tokyo Roki of Japan makes, in the
black H6 3.0 and 3.6 filters. If all you are looking for is the ability to
carry 1/4 to 1/2 quart more oil, then I suppose a larger filter is a good
thing. But if in doing that you are sacrificing good filtering, good
drainback valving, and good pressure and bypass function, then
you might want to reconsider. Why not just add either an oil cooler
OR remote filter set up, which would allow almost 2 more quarts
of oil in the system? I've looked at the product that Amsoil offers
for that and have just not sprung for the $200+ it would cost to
do it, and finding a place on the frame to mount it conveniently.
Jake
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
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Hey Dean, I'm glad my research helped you out. Your oil pressure observations are interesting. What are your values now for cold idle, hot idle and 4000 rpm hot? Jake On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM, OlRivrRat <olrivrrat@...> wrote: **
Hey Jake
Thanks much for the list ~ with that info I decided to switch back to Wix
/ NAPA Gold. Before switching to the Fram TG3593A I had been using a NAPA
Gold 1365. So I am now going with NAPA Gold 1334 & it fits great. I wanted
to go with the 1344 but with my setup having a "SandwitchPlate" that would
have made the OilFilter the lowest item in the backend & I was
uncomfortable with that.
Now to the VeryInteresting part ~ The OilPressure never gets as high &
never gets as low as it did with the Fram ~ High Pressure is 8-10PSI lower
than with Fram (Reved-Hot or Cold or Idle-Cold) ~ Low Pressure is about
8-10PSI Higher than with Fram (Hot @ Idle) ~ I'm quite OK with that but a
bit puzzled.
ORR ~ DeanB
--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...>
wrote:
Hey Bob, I wouldn't use Fram if you paid me...
The Wix 51356 is hardly bigger than the OEM Subaru filter I'm currently
using (2.625" D. x 2.5" H.) - looks like a waste of time. The Wix 51334
is
bigger than that one, as are the 51318 & 51344.
I'm going to have to do some measuring to check for fit, but here's some
relevant data from the Wix site:
Wix 51334 - Subaru filter
Part Number: 51334
Principal Application: Subaru (87-12)
Height: 3.194
Outer Diameter Top: 3.252
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
----------------------------------------------------------
Part Number: 51318
Principal Application: John Deere Loaders, Yanmar Marine Engines
Height: 4.803
Outer Diameter Top: 3.673
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 16 PSI
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 8-10 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.538 2.224 0.200
----------------------------------------------------------
Wix - Mazda V-6
Part Number: 51356
Principal Application: Mazda V-6(71-00),
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 363
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
----------------------------------------------------------
Part Number: 51344
Principal Application: Isuzu & Yanmar, Kubota, Mitsubishi Engines
Height: 4.069
Outer Diameter Top: 3.242
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI: 360
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.490 2.200 0.148
----------------------------------------------------------
Seeya, Jake
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Robert Stevens <mtbiker62@...> wrote:
On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:41 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:
I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because
of
the size diff'
Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints
Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints
Although the Tough Guard is better, by far, than all the other Frams
that
Honeywell (Canada) makes, it's still inferior in materials and end cap
material and can strength, to what Tokyo Roki of Japan makes, in the
black H6 3.0 and 3.6 filters. If all you are looking for is the
ability to
carry 1/4 to 1/2 quart more oil, then I suppose a larger filter is a
good
thing. But if in doing that you are sacrificing good filtering, good
drainback valving, and good pressure and bypass function, then
you might want to reconsider. Why not just add either an oil cooler
OR remote filter set up, which would allow almost 2 more quarts
of oil in the system? I've looked at the product that Amsoil offers
for that and have just not sprung for the $200+ it would cost to
do it, and finding a place on the frame to mount it conveniently.
Jake
--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
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Bob Stevens