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I'm just finishing up a 1990 Legacy engine in an '83 Westy, and have to do the California Smog thing shortly. I went the Kennedy route, and have the executive order D-428-1 for the swap. I've met all the requirements, and I believe it's clean as a whistle. My local smog guy seems game to test it, but has this question: How is this input in the smog machine for to generate the test approval? He's a sharp guy, but has not had to deal with an Exec Order before. I don't want to have to go the referee route, with the bar code, and don't think I should have to. His question is literally, "How is this handled by the smog check station computer?"

If anyone has gone through the process with the Kennedy stuff in California, and watched what their smog guy did, or can help me out with information I would appreciate it.

Thanks, James Sly

I have a STi Version 2 (JDM EJ20T) engine rated at 278hp in a Syncro Westy. With my air/water intercooler & exhaust setup it is probably a bit closer to 300hp.



The van has been running great since 2005 when I first did the conversion, although recently I had to pull the transaxle since my throwout bearing (prematurely) went out :(

Daryl at AA Transaxle rebuilt & upgraded my transaxle when I first did the engine swap with taller gears, improved gear carrier housing, and some other stuff (can't remember). So far the transaxle has held up well.

There is lots of info on my forum that pertains to putting a turbo engine in a Syncro Westy that may help you.

Good Luck,
Kevin Frank
(it's been a very longtime since I've posted to this group, yes I'm still around, and loving my van!)


--- In subaruvanagon@..., "mike7sub" <michael.eberhard@> wrote:

Hi Scott,

Let me clarify a bit more because I'm not sure you saw all of the renditions of this post. I have a Westfalia Syncro and although, yes there are lots of turbo 2.5L (Ej255) engines installed into both normal Vanagons (like in the link you've provided) and 2wd Westys but in a Syncro Westy there has yet to be a 2.5L STi (Ej 257) engine installed. I have heard of one being installed into a Tristar (Eric) but other then that no, I have not heard of one being installed into a Syncro Westfalia camper van. These models have a number of difficulties which are not encountered in the 2wd model or in a regular Vanagon. Please, If I'm wrong show me an example of one that has been done and I'll be a very happy man because I'll have someone to guide me in doing the installation. The link that you've shown is a 2.0l turbo being installed into a Vanagon ... apples and oranges. The difference between a EJ 255 and an EJ 257 is about a 100hp.

Mike

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <ScottDaniel@> wrote:

re
".................Westy really not needing to have an STi engine in it. I must admit that one of the reasons that I'm doing this is to see if it can be done. "

it's deffenitely been done, more than once too.
google it.
"turbo subaru engine in Vanagon"

lotta hits on that. Here's but one -


scott
www.turbovans.com


----- Original Message -----
From: mike7sub
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Re: Westfalia/Subaru STi question



Hi Dean,

Thank you so much for your response! I really respect your opinion. I've done a lot of looking around and think that you are quite right about the whole power issue with regards to the Westy really not needing to have an STi engine in it. I must admit that one of the reasons that I'm doing this is to see if it can be done. I enjoy the challenge the project poses. If I could go back and start all over again I would probably look into a WRX engine instead but I would still be running into the same issues, more or less, then with this one. I think at this point I may just tune back the engine once it's in there and treat this as more of a research project then anything else. The nice thing about finishing this all up with the engine that I have now, swapping it out later with something a bit more reasonable will be a very easy undertaking and I would be able to sell the STi engine for much more then what it would take to buy and new engine. That, however is not the plan, only a worse case scenario.

Best Regards,

Mike

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "OlRivrRat" <olrivrrat@> wrote:
>
> Mike
>
> Let me start by saying that I do admire your spirit & tenacity & what appears to be, from a distance anyway, a great deal of knowledge about the project you have plunged into but I have to admit that I am more than just a bit puzzled by why you would want to pour all of these efforts & resources into a vehicle, that I think most would agree, does not need it & really can't handle it. Seems like you are going to end up with a HotRodWesty that, unless you happen to be a bizillionair, you will be camping in on a piece of ground that has a gas station on one side & an autoparts store on the other.
> Unless your STI has your dream engine in it already, why not build this eng' into your dream config' for it, do that swap & then sell or trade that eng' for an eng' that is more suitable for your SyncroWesty.
> If you really feel the need for a Turbo'd 4, find some WRX guy that is lusting for an STI & trade Eng'ns, otherwise, if you just need more power than a N'A'EJ25 will do, get a 3.0H6 for the old Westy.
> I have a N'A'EJ25 in my 90Westy2wd & I live @ 5000ft & do most of my driving @ or above that alt' & will admit that there are times that I wish I had a Compressor so my EJ25 would think it was @ SeaLevel but those times are so few that I don't feel that it is a justified necessity ~ I also really like the 22mpg but wish I could get 30something.
>
> ORR ~ DeanB
>
> --- In subaruvanagon@..., "mike7sub" <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Todd,
> >
> > I'm glad you responded here asking for me to clarify because I may have been a bit vaige. Yeah, the cost is pretty much the inhibitting factor for the build. Not so much the cost of the ring and pinion set but I need to get a transmission, a front diff, new drive shaft, new drive lines for the front, etc. The work needed to be done is pretty crazy too. The Sub transmission, I believe is a bit too long so crossmembers will have to be altered. The output shaft on the Sub tranny is on the top where the output shaft on the VW is on the bottom so I suspect there are going to be issues with the driveshaft with respect to the undercarrage. The estimate was fairly generous at 6000 though but for a 4wd, I'm not sure the cost is worth it. I may consider changing the 4wd to 2wd and eliminating the whole front end issue because realistically, I have never been in any situation where I may have needed it ... Currently the front diff isn't even hooked up. If I was to change it to 2wd I may reconsider but I have not run the economics on it as of yet and I would more then likely compare it to the 2wd Porsche option. Of course there are other factors, other then cost and ease of instalation that need to be considered. I do like the Subaru option as I also now own a STi but I'm not sure if it's going to be the best fit for this application. With that said I really like your reversed ring and pinion design and the flange that'll work with the stock cv shafts. It'll still be reconsidered if I decide to convert to 2wd.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In subaruvanagon@..., "toddtriebler" <toddtriebler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey guys, Todd from Subarugears here.
> > >
> > > I respect your decision to go the way you have with the trans - so not trying to convince you otherwise. Customer feedback on the Subarugears product and pricing is valuable to me so I wonder if you could give me an idea of the decision making process on a Subie 5 speed vs the work you are having done on your existing trans.
> > >
> > > The kit to reverse a 4WD is $2000 and the kit to reverse a 2WD is $2200 shipped to your door. With donor transmissions available for anywhere from $500 to $1500 (let's say $1500 for a perfect STi trans)I am coming up with $3500 if you can do the reversing work yourself.
> > >
> > > You've calculated around $6000 - is the difference in supply & fitting a Subaru rear differential to the front and the extra flanges, tailshaft and any other fab?
> > >
> > > Would any (realistic) change in the cost of parts from Subarugears have made the equation better for you, or is it unlikely to be a realistic alternative for 4WD Syncros because of the extra work?
> > >
> > > Many thanks for any feedback you can give - I wish you well with your project.
> > >
> > > Todd Triebler
> > > www.subarugears.com
> > > LIKE us on Facebook for updates
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In subaruvanagon@..., "mike7sub" <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn't mention that the westy is a Syncro. So that really does eliminate quite a few transaxles. I did look into Subarugears option but after all is said and done it'll cost close to 6 grand to install it and thats doing all the work myself. Not to mention the undercarriage alterations to get it to fit. Currently the best option I've been able to come up with is to rebuild the tranny with 3rd and 4th racing gears, install new splash plates and some reinforcing plate and nuts to prevent both slippage and flex when the unit is under load. Not to mention all new syncros, etc ... After that is done it should hold a bit more torque then a stock unit. I've heard of people putting a wrx engine in with a stock used tranny without any issues. They are even using NA clutches which I would have thought would let go under that strain.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In subaruvanagon@..., Eric Palmborg <eric.palmborg@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you will need an other transmission that will last for the serious
> > > > > increase of the power.
> > > > > Subarugears, Porsche G50 or Renault UN1 is what I would suggest but maybe
> > > > > Mendeola works too.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/10/25 gordon anderson <gpanderson@>
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tristar eric put one in a doka. The intercooler needs the extra headroom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2011-10-25, at 11:56, mike7sub <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anyone put a STi (ej 257) into thier westy? I'm currently undergoing
> > > > > > the process, have done tonnes of research and believe that I know it pretty
> > > > > > much inside out but would like to know if there is anyone else out there
> > > > > > that has put one in. I would like to know about any issues that may have
> > > > > > been encountered, and how the issues were resolved along with any advice you
> > > > > > may want to pass on.
> > > > > > > Also, If anyone has any questions for me please don't hesitate to ask.
> > > > > > I've started by completely rebuilding the engine and transmission to
> > > > > > ordering the "right" parts and where to get them along with removing useless
> > > > > > portions of the wiring harness. Currently, I'm rebuilding the engine (all
> > > > > > apart in the garage) and will be stretching out the wiring harness hopefully
> > > > > > this week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Larger filter will not fit in Syncro with skid plate afaik
Oil cooler has to be removed too. Has anyone noticed any problem with
lack of stock oil cooler?
Leon


On 4/12/2012 4:02 PM, Jake de Villiers wrote:

Thanks guys!

Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!

Seeya, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...> wrote:

Hey Jake

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'

Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue

ORR ~ DeanB


--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers<subyjake@>
wrote:

Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in

that

I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.

Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?

Thanks, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@>wrote:

Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your

oil

filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Scott,

Let me clarify a bit more because I'm not sure you saw all of the renditions of this post. I have a Westfalia Syncro and although, yes there are lots of turbo 2.5L (Ej255) engines installed into both normal Vanagons (like in the link you've provided) and 2wd Westys but in a Syncro Westy there has yet to be a 2.5L STi (Ej 257) engine installed. I have heard of one being installed into a Tristar (Eric) but other then that no, I have not heard of one being installed into a Syncro Westfalia camper van. These models have a number of difficulties which are not encountered in the 2wd model or in a regular Vanagon. Please, If I'm wrong show me an example of one that has been done and I'll be a very happy man because I'll have someone to guide me in doing the installation. The link that you've shown is a 2.0l turbo being installed into a Vanagon ... apples and oranges. The difference between a EJ 255 and an EJ 257 is about a 100hp.

Mike

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <ScottDaniel@> wrote:

re
".................Westy really not needing to have an STi engine in it. I must admit that one of the reasons that I'm doing this is to see if it can be done. "

it's deffenitely been done, more than once too.
google it.
"turbo subaru engine in Vanagon"

lotta hits on that. Here's but one -


scott
www.turbovans.com


----- Original Message -----
From: mike7sub
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Re: Westfalia/Subaru STi question



Hi Dean,

Thank you so much for your response! I really respect your opinion. I've done a lot of looking around and think that you are quite right about the whole power issue with regards to the Westy really not needing to have an STi engine in it. I must admit that one of the reasons that I'm doing this is to see if it can be done. I enjoy the challenge the project poses. If I could go back and start all over again I would probably look into a WRX engine instead but I would still be running into the same issues, more or less, then with this one. I think at this point I may just tune back the engine once it's in there and treat this as more of a research project then anything else. The nice thing about finishing this all up with the engine that I have now, swapping it out later with something a bit more reasonable will be a very easy undertaking and I would be able to sell the STi engine for much more then what it would take to buy and new engine. That, however is not the plan, only a worse case scenario.

Best Regards,

Mike

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "OlRivrRat" <olrivrrat@> wrote:
>
> Mike
>
> Let me start by saying that I do admire your spirit & tenacity & what appears to be, from a distance anyway, a great deal of knowledge about the project you have plunged into but I have to admit that I am more than just a bit puzzled by why you would want to pour all of these efforts & resources into a vehicle, that I think most would agree, does not need it & really can't handle it. Seems like you are going to end up with a HotRodWesty that, unless you happen to be a bizillionair, you will be camping in on a piece of ground that has a gas station on one side & an autoparts store on the other.
> Unless your STI has your dream engine in it already, why not build this eng' into your dream config' for it, do that swap & then sell or trade that eng' for an eng' that is more suitable for your SyncroWesty.
> If you really feel the need for a Turbo'd 4, find some WRX guy that is lusting for an STI & trade Eng'ns, otherwise, if you just need more power than a N'A'EJ25 will do, get a 3.0H6 for the old Westy.
> I have a N'A'EJ25 in my 90Westy2wd & I live @ 5000ft & do most of my driving @ or above that alt' & will admit that there are times that I wish I had a Compressor so my EJ25 would think it was @ SeaLevel but those times are so few that I don't feel that it is a justified necessity ~ I also really like the 22mpg but wish I could get 30something.
>
> ORR ~ DeanB
>
> --- In subaruvanagon@..., "mike7sub" <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Todd,
> >
> > I'm glad you responded here asking for me to clarify because I may have been a bit vaige. Yeah, the cost is pretty much the inhibitting factor for the build. Not so much the cost of the ring and pinion set but I need to get a transmission, a front diff, new drive shaft, new drive lines for the front, etc. The work needed to be done is pretty crazy too. The Sub transmission, I believe is a bit too long so crossmembers will have to be altered. The output shaft on the Sub tranny is on the top where the output shaft on the VW is on the bottom so I suspect there are going to be issues with the driveshaft with respect to the undercarrage. The estimate was fairly generous at 6000 though but for a 4wd, I'm not sure the cost is worth it. I may consider changing the 4wd to 2wd and eliminating the whole front end issue because realistically, I have never been in any situation where I may have needed it ... Currently the front diff isn't even hooked up. If I was to change it to 2wd I may reconsider but I have not run the economics on it as of yet and I would more then likely compare it to the 2wd Porsche option. Of course there are other factors, other then cost and ease of instalation that need to be considered. I do like the Subaru option as I also now own a STi but I'm not sure if it's going to be the best fit for this application. With that said I really like your reversed ring and pinion design and the flange that'll work with the stock cv shafts. It'll still be reconsidered if I decide to convert to 2wd.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In subaruvanagon@..., "toddtriebler" <toddtriebler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey guys, Todd from Subarugears here.
> > >
> > > I respect your decision to go the way you have with the trans - so not trying to convince you otherwise. Customer feedback on the Subarugears product and pricing is valuable to me so I wonder if you could give me an idea of the decision making process on a Subie 5 speed vs the work you are having done on your existing trans.
> > >
> > > The kit to reverse a 4WD is $2000 and the kit to reverse a 2WD is $2200 shipped to your door. With donor transmissions available for anywhere from $500 to $1500 (let's say $1500 for a perfect STi trans)I am coming up with $3500 if you can do the reversing work yourself.
> > >
> > > You've calculated around $6000 - is the difference in supply & fitting a Subaru rear differential to the front and the extra flanges, tailshaft and any other fab?
> > >
> > > Would any (realistic) change in the cost of parts from Subarugears have made the equation better for you, or is it unlikely to be a realistic alternative for 4WD Syncros because of the extra work?
> > >
> > > Many thanks for any feedback you can give - I wish you well with your project.
> > >
> > > Todd Triebler
> > > www.subarugears.com
> > > LIKE us on Facebook for updates
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In subaruvanagon@..., "mike7sub" <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn't mention that the westy is a Syncro. So that really does eliminate quite a few transaxles. I did look into Subarugears option but after all is said and done it'll cost close to 6 grand to install it and thats doing all the work myself. Not to mention the undercarriage alterations to get it to fit. Currently the best option I've been able to come up with is to rebuild the tranny with 3rd and 4th racing gears, install new splash plates and some reinforcing plate and nuts to prevent both slippage and flex when the unit is under load. Not to mention all new syncros, etc ... After that is done it should hold a bit more torque then a stock unit. I've heard of people putting a wrx engine in with a stock used tranny without any issues. They are even using NA clutches which I would have thought would let go under that strain.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In subaruvanagon@..., Eric Palmborg <eric.palmborg@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you will need an other transmission that will last for the serious
> > > > > increase of the power.
> > > > > Subarugears, Porsche G50 or Renault UN1 is what I would suggest but maybe
> > > > > Mendeola works too.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/10/25 gordon anderson <gpanderson@>
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tristar eric put one in a doka. The intercooler needs the extra headroom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2011-10-25, at 11:56, mike7sub <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anyone put a STi (ej 257) into thier westy? I'm currently undergoing
> > > > > > the process, have done tonnes of research and believe that I know it pretty
> > > > > > much inside out but would like to know if there is anyone else out there
> > > > > > that has put one in. I would like to know about any issues that may have
> > > > > > been encountered, and how the issues were resolved along with any advice you
> > > > > > may want to pass on.
> > > > > > > Also, If anyone has any questions for me please don't hesitate to ask.
> > > > > > I've started by completely rebuilding the engine and transmission to
> > > > > > ordering the "right" parts and where to get them along with removing useless
> > > > > > portions of the wiring harness. Currently, I'm rebuilding the engine (all
> > > > > > apart in the garage) and will be stretching out the wiring harness hopefully
> > > > > > this week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks guys!

Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!

Seeya, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...> wrote:

Hey Jake

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'

Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue

ORR ~ DeanB


--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers<subyjake@...>
wrote:

Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in

that

I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.

Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?

Thanks, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@...>wrote:

Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your

oil

filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential

Hey Bob, I wouldn't use Fram if you paid me...

The Wix 51356 is hardly bigger than the OEM Subaru filter I'm currently
using (2.625" D. x 2.5" H.) - looks like a waste of time. The Wix 51334 is
bigger than that one, as are the 51318 & 51344.
I'm going to have to do some measuring to check for fit, but here's some
relevant data from the Wix site:

Wix 51334 - Subaru filter
Part Number: 51334
Principal Application: Subaru (87-12)
Height: 3.194
Outer Diameter Top: 3.252
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
----------------------------------------------------------------
Part Number: 51318
Principal Application: John Deere Loaders, Yanmar Marine Engines
Height: 4.803
Outer Diameter Top: 3.673
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 16 PSI
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 8-10 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.538 2.224 0.200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wix - Mazda V-6
Part Number: 51356
Principal Application: Mazda V-6(71-00),
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 363
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
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Part Number: 51344
Principal Application: Isuzu & Yanmar, Kubota, Mitsubishi Engines
Height: 4.069
Outer Diameter Top: 3.242
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI: 360
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket Dia. O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.490 2.200 0.148
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Seeya, Jake




On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Robert Stevens <mtbiker62@...> wrote:

On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:41 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of

the size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Although the Tough Guard is better, by far, than all the other Frams that
Honeywell (Canada) makes, it's still inferior in materials and end cap
material and can strength, to what Tokyo Roki of Japan makes, in the
black H6 3.0 and 3.6 filters. If all you are looking for is the ability to
carry 1/4 to 1/2 quart more oil, then I suppose a larger filter is a good
thing. But if in doing that you are sacrificing good filtering, good
drainback valving, and good pressure and bypass function, then
you might want to reconsider. Why not just add either an oil cooler
OR remote filter set up, which would allow almost 2 more quarts
of oil in the system? I've looked at the product that Amsoil offers
for that and have just not sprung for the $200+ it would cost to
do it, and finding a place on the frame to mount it conveniently.

Jake

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Jake
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Crescent Beach, BC
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1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential







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Thanks guys!

Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!

Seeya, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...> wrote:

Hey Jake

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'

Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue

ORR ~ DeanB


--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers<subyjake@...>
wrote:

Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in

that

I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.

Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?

Thanks, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@...>wrote:

Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your

oil

filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential

Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.

Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?

Thanks, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:

> Trick question?

The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential

? > Trick question?

The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

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