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Hi Scott,

Let me clarify a bit more because I'm not sure you saw all of the renditions of this post. I have a Westfalia Syncro and although, yes there are lots of turbo 2.5L (Ej255) engines installed into both normal Vanagons (like in the link you've provided) and 2wd Westys but in a Syncro Westy there has yet to be a 2.5L STi (Ej 257) engine installed. I have heard of one being installed into a Tristar (Eric) but other then that no, I have not heard of one being installed into a Syncro Westfalia camper van. These models have a number of difficulties which are not encountered in the 2wd model or in a regular Vanagon. Please, If I'm wrong show me an example of one that has been done and I'll be a very happy man because I'll have someone to guide me in doing the installation. The link that you've shown is a 2.0l turbo being installed into a Vanagon ... apples and oranges. The difference between a EJ 255 and an EJ 257 is about a 100hp.

Mike

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <ScottDaniel@> wrote:

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".................Westy really not needing to have an STi engine in it. I must admit that one of the reasons that I'm doing this is to see if it can be done. "

it's deffenitely been done, more than once too.
google it.
"turbo subaru engine in Vanagon"

lotta hits on that. Here's but one -


scott
www.turbovans.com


----- Original Message -----
From: mike7sub
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Re: Westfalia/Subaru STi question



Hi Dean,

Thank you so much for your response! I really respect your opinion. I've done a lot of looking around and think that you are quite right about the whole power issue with regards to the Westy really not needing to have an STi engine in it. I must admit that one of the reasons that I'm doing this is to see if it can be done. I enjoy the challenge the project poses. If I could go back and start all over again I would probably look into a WRX engine instead but I would still be running into the same issues, more or less, then with this one. I think at this point I may just tune back the engine once it's in there and treat this as more of a research project then anything else. The nice thing about finishing this all up with the engine that I have now, swapping it out later with something a bit more reasonable will be a very easy undertaking and I would be able to sell the STi engine for much more then what it would take to buy and new engine. That, however is not the plan, only a worse case scenario.

Best Regards,

Mike

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "OlRivrRat" <olrivrrat@> wrote:
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> Mike
>
> Let me start by saying that I do admire your spirit & tenacity & what appears to be, from a distance anyway, a great deal of knowledge about the project you have plunged into but I have to admit that I am more than just a bit puzzled by why you would want to pour all of these efforts & resources into a vehicle, that I think most would agree, does not need it & really can't handle it. Seems like you are going to end up with a HotRodWesty that, unless you happen to be a bizillionair, you will be camping in on a piece of ground that has a gas station on one side & an autoparts store on the other.
> Unless your STI has your dream engine in it already, why not build this eng' into your dream config' for it, do that swap & then sell or trade that eng' for an eng' that is more suitable for your SyncroWesty.
> If you really feel the need for a Turbo'd 4, find some WRX guy that is lusting for an STI & trade Eng'ns, otherwise, if you just need more power than a N'A'EJ25 will do, get a 3.0H6 for the old Westy.
> I have a N'A'EJ25 in my 90Westy2wd & I live @ 5000ft & do most of my driving @ or above that alt' & will admit that there are times that I wish I had a Compressor so my EJ25 would think it was @ SeaLevel but those times are so few that I don't feel that it is a justified necessity ~ I also really like the 22mpg but wish I could get 30something.
>
> ORR ~ DeanB
>
> --- In subaruvanagon@..., "mike7sub" <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
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> > Hi Todd,
> >
> > I'm glad you responded here asking for me to clarify because I may have been a bit vaige. Yeah, the cost is pretty much the inhibitting factor for the build. Not so much the cost of the ring and pinion set but I need to get a transmission, a front diff, new drive shaft, new drive lines for the front, etc. The work needed to be done is pretty crazy too. The Sub transmission, I believe is a bit too long so crossmembers will have to be altered. The output shaft on the Sub tranny is on the top where the output shaft on the VW is on the bottom so I suspect there are going to be issues with the driveshaft with respect to the undercarrage. The estimate was fairly generous at 6000 though but for a 4wd, I'm not sure the cost is worth it. I may consider changing the 4wd to 2wd and eliminating the whole front end issue because realistically, I have never been in any situation where I may have needed it ... Currently the front diff isn't even hooked up. If I was to change it to 2wd I may reconsider but I have not run the economics on it as of yet and I would more then likely compare it to the 2wd Porsche option. Of course there are other factors, other then cost and ease of instalation that need to be considered. I do like the Subaru option as I also now own a STi but I'm not sure if it's going to be the best fit for this application. With that said I really like your reversed ring and pinion design and the flange that'll work with the stock cv shafts. It'll still be reconsidered if I decide to convert to 2wd.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In subaruvanagon@..., "toddtriebler" <toddtriebler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey guys, Todd from Subarugears here.
> > >
> > > I respect your decision to go the way you have with the trans - so not trying to convince you otherwise. Customer feedback on the Subarugears product and pricing is valuable to me so I wonder if you could give me an idea of the decision making process on a Subie 5 speed vs the work you are having done on your existing trans.
> > >
> > > The kit to reverse a 4WD is $2000 and the kit to reverse a 2WD is $2200 shipped to your door. With donor transmissions available for anywhere from $500 to $1500 (let's say $1500 for a perfect STi trans)I am coming up with $3500 if you can do the reversing work yourself.
> > >
> > > You've calculated around $6000 - is the difference in supply & fitting a Subaru rear differential to the front and the extra flanges, tailshaft and any other fab?
> > >
> > > Would any (realistic) change in the cost of parts from Subarugears have made the equation better for you, or is it unlikely to be a realistic alternative for 4WD Syncros because of the extra work?
> > >
> > > Many thanks for any feedback you can give - I wish you well with your project.
> > >
> > > Todd Triebler
> > > www.subarugears.com
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In subaruvanagon@..., "mike7sub" <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > I didn't mention that the westy is a Syncro. So that really does eliminate quite a few transaxles. I did look into Subarugears option but after all is said and done it'll cost close to 6 grand to install it and thats doing all the work myself. Not to mention the undercarriage alterations to get it to fit. Currently the best option I've been able to come up with is to rebuild the tranny with 3rd and 4th racing gears, install new splash plates and some reinforcing plate and nuts to prevent both slippage and flex when the unit is under load. Not to mention all new syncros, etc ... After that is done it should hold a bit more torque then a stock unit. I've heard of people putting a wrx engine in with a stock used tranny without any issues. They are even using NA clutches which I would have thought would let go under that strain.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In subaruvanagon@..., Eric Palmborg <eric.palmborg@> wrote:
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> > > > > I think you will need an other transmission that will last for the serious
> > > > > increase of the power.
> > > > > Subarugears, Porsche G50 or Renault UN1 is what I would suggest but maybe
> > > > > Mendeola works too.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/10/25 gordon anderson <gpanderson@>
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tristar eric put one in a doka. The intercooler needs the extra headroom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2011-10-25, at 11:56, mike7sub <michael.eberhard@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anyone put a STi (ej 257) into thier westy? I'm currently undergoing
> > > > > > the process, have done tonnes of research and believe that I know it pretty
> > > > > > much inside out but would like to know if there is anyone else out there
> > > > > > that has put one in. I would like to know about any issues that may have
> > > > > > been encountered, and how the issues were resolved along with any advice you
> > > > > > may want to pass on.
> > > > > > > Also, If anyone has any questions for me please don't hesitate to ask.
> > > > > > I've started by completely rebuilding the engine and transmission to
> > > > > > ordering the "right" parts and where to get them along with removing useless
> > > > > > portions of the wiring harness. Currently, I'm rebuilding the engine (all
> > > > > > apart in the garage) and will be stretching out the wiring harness hopefully
> > > > > > this week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
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