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Sunday Afternoon on the layout 2
Afternoon everyone, Off and on rain here, so down into the basement. RDG T1 #2107 going around I10 #2008, which helped make up it's train. Yes, that is code 148 AM rail. The layout is about 75% former 2x4 transportable modules built in the late 1980's/early 1990's. You can see one of the 4" 'Dutchman" pieces connecting the two sections. And , yes the eccentric rod on #2008 does need some shop time. Hope you all having some fun. Hugh
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Yes, the builder's plate # is correct.
Builders plates should be etched which I don¡¯t know how to do. But I have been making and casting number plates for years¡­.. http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling_2.htm Awesome work Mike. You are the epitome of the S Scale spirit and extreme skills. I have been to Mike¡¯s house. He does this with a rather basic shop as well. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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I see the new light II
I took Jamie¡¯s post as a challenge. The searches on both Home Depot and Lowes is AWFUL.... But I did find these. https://www.lowes.com/pd/GE-LED-32-Watt-EQ-48-in-Daylight-Linear-LED-Tube-Light-Bulb-20-Pack/5000762879?store=&cm_mmc=shp-_-b-_-prd-_-pro-_-ggl-_-PLA_ELC_000_PRO-_-5000762879-_-online-_-0-_-0&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqcO_BhDaARIsACz62vO1KuX8UcJQwoJpPmqRIcnGPOxdgSYarWQ76x3I810ICYLoJiyvnFIaArptEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds I got 40 glass 4' LED tubes for $200.00 They are 6500K but are not adjustable. The entire basement is redone with some tubes to spare. I want to add a few more fixtures. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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Don Thompson TrainStuff tribute 5
Thanks to Pete Silcox sending me these vintage kits, I was able to build a pair of Don Thompson's early TrainStuff resin kits last week. The Burlington Northern 50' 6" Flush Plug Door Box Car was one of three versions of these cars. The 40' 6" New York Central box car kit was a model of the LCL Pacemaker series cars, however I modeled it as it was post Pacemaker service. I've modeled several of these TrainStuff kits before. All use resin cast flat sides/end/roof with a wood floor. I enhanced these two models with various Pacific Rail Shops styrene castings. I've found that most of these vintage TrainStuff kits tend to have the original green tissue paper protective wrapping stuck to the resin castings and the side castings are always warped top to bottom. A little soap and water and some time with a hair dryer easily corrects these problems. After all of these years, these kits still build up into very nice models. Thank you, Don!
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Locomotive Workshop Vintage Styrene Kits 4
Anyone who has attempted to build one of the vintage Locomotive Workshop styrene 40' Box Car kits over the past many years knows the problems associated with their building. These old kits featured flat styrene cast sides, ends roof and underbody with very poor quality styrene ladders, doors, steps and HO brake details. They came with either Youngstown and Superior 10' 6" doors as well as Dreadnaught and Miller end choices. The sides came with a choice of riveted or welded versions and the roofs featured wood or metal walkways. One of the major problems has always been the joining of the sides & ends, always a pain and difficult. After now having built more than a dozen of these kits over the years, I've pretty much found a fool proof way for assembling them. With the addition of some Pacific Rail Shops detail parts, they build into some very nice models. I recently discovered that they also marketed a double sheathed wood sided box car. While these sides originally were much too tall for my taste, some minor trimming and modifications allowed me to duplicate one of the Santa Fe's Bx9 box cars. I'm attaching photos of this ATSF car, a double door Southern Pacific Auto/Box car and Erie Railroad 40' Box Car made from these Locomotive Workshop kits. They are worth the effort if you ever find any kits at train shows, etc. Bob Hogan
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Locomotive Workshop kit Photos 3
It seems that the photos did not post, so here's another try. Bob Hogan
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I see the new light 17
I have been threatening myself to do it for a long time but I finally did it.... I have a continuous loop of fluorescent light fixtures around my layout. Fluorescent is about the worst lighting you can have for photography. What is worse the tubes are mostly over 10 years old. While they still "light" I am sure they are much dimmer than when new. That is what happens to fluorescent tubes as they age. There is a commercial electric supply near my house. I stopped by and asked about 4' LED tubes that will roll in and work with my fixture ballasts. I bought 4 of them for a test. Most LED tubes are plastic. These are glass. They are MUCH brighter than my old fluorescent tubes. The coolest thing is the slide switch to adjust the Kelvin. I set to 6500 which is bright white. They are - YIKES - $13.00 EACH. I need about 24 of them. This will be a little at a time project. I am also going to replace some OLD fluorescent fixtures. Some LED fixtures are cheaper than retro of the fluorescent tubes. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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Look What's Being Done In S Today 15
That's the theme of the NASG ads that have run on the inside cover of every RMC since mid-2022 and which are scheduled to run through December 2027, unless something changes. I'm an advocate that the best way to grow S is to share with modelers in other scales what's being done in S today through all the avenues available, including in the multiscale magazines like RMC, MR and NMRA Magazine. While advocating for new products is fine, as is sharing our modeling among ourselves, nice S models and layouts can be built today with what's available both new and on the secondary markets and we need to share that modeling with those outside of S. I reiterate that I'm ready, willing and able to help anyone get a photo of their S model in Model Railroader's Trackside Photos feature. Thanks to the few guys who have already provided photos. The first one, by Gaylord Gill, appeared in last month's MR. We expect several more will be published in 2025. This is not an NASG sanctioned program...it's just something I've offered to do. I've just completed detailing an American Models Baldwin to represent B&O 9271 (photos attached). I scratchbuilt the unusual MU panels from styrene and made new railings from brass wire. I used commercially available wipers, shades, horn, MU hoses, drop steps and headlights. I'm working on an article on this build for Model Railroader with the purpose of showing what can be done in S with what you can buy today. The caboose and hoppers in the images are also available today. Is there as much available in S as in HO or N? No, of course not. Can you build nice models in S with what is available today with common modeling techniques and materials? Absolutely! Let's show folks outside of S what can be done...and IS being done...and not just talk among ourselves about what we wish we had. Brooks Stover
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T&NO Decals 8
When I asked about decals for my Gold Coast SP caboose, another list member generously offered me a set of those produced by Rail Graphics for them. My problem now is that I'd really like to letter my pair for T&NO, but the composite set does not include any T&NO options. K4 doesn't make any SP caboose lettering. Can anyone suggest another source? JGGK
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Surplus Items For Sake 23
I have some surplus items that need to find new homes. Offers accepted. Buyer pays USPS shipping. American Models Milwaukee Road Chippewa 462 light Pacific. DC Hi-rail. Asking $200. American Models Rock Island u25b. AC Hi-rail. Asking $150. American Models Erie Lackawanna GP35. DC scale. All parts included. Asking $125. This unit has the spring type drive. See photos. American Models Seaboard Air Line Baldwin S12. DCC with scale wheels. Has a Digitrax DH166d decoder installed. Asking $125. Please respond via private message by clicking the link below. I may not see this if you do not reply privately. Thank you for looking.
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Back on the hamster wheel (was Why "Scale"? 3
Just a perspective note: there has been abuse of Tyco as the worst of HO, but that is not because it wasn't "scale." It really was full scale, as its roots were in John Tyler's Mantua line, which was pretty much state of the art before really good brass started to come from Japan. Why most tend to think of it as crap is that Tyco was the train-set, mass market marketing branch, which rapidly descended into cheaper and cheaper products to sell to a disposable toy market. It wasn't so much that Tyco products were not full scale as that they lacked detail and quality material. JGGK From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dale Smith via groups.io <dfsmith26@...> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2025 1:28 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Why "Scale"? it's all my fault I preface this by saying that I am primarily a collector of AF in all gauges as well as a collector of information on model railroad history. I don't really think that Hi Railers or AF collectors resent or disrespect those who are creating fine scale railroads in S scale, but we don't appreciate being likened to Albatrosses and being told that our equipment isn't "S Scale," but only "S Gauge." Those aren't alternates, but are two different things. American Flyer is S scale as it has a prototype and it is reproduced in 1/64 scale. Most Flyer equipment is within a few inches of the length and width of the prototypes. Granted, it may not be fine scale, just like Tyco HO isn't fine scale HO. I have great respect for the fine scale work done in S gauge and enjoy reading about it and seeing it. There is also some very interesting history in the scale oriented manufacturers of the past. I do think the NASG is doing a good job of serving the interests of AF, Hi Rail and fine scale modelers, which is not easy. Why is it that only people in S gauge tend to divide the gauge into camps. I may be wrong, but I don't think people in HO regard the Tyco people as albatrosses. They just ignore them. The problem in S is that Hi Rail and AF are 80% of the market, so we get the most attention from manufacturers. I think the solution is for manufacturers to make highly detailed models with interchangeable wheels and provision for body mounted scale couplers. No one operating AF or Hi rail is going to object to detail far greater than was prevalent in 60-70 year old AF. Hopefully for all, the current manufacturers will follow that approach. Unfortunately, with so much manufacturing based in China, I don't think that the future of any model products is great and prices will most likely be going up. The current uncertainties of international trade make this a bad time for new ventures. Dale Smith On 4/1/2025 3:58 PM, George Courtney via groups.io wrote: I'm a scale track guy. Perhaps because I came from HO and not American Flyer. I don't care if you use Code 800 for your rail and string for couplers. I'm just tried of being bashed by Some AF and Hi-railers for liking scale. It's gone on since this group started. I really, really don't care what you do with your hobby money. If you like what you're doing, why do you care I'm not interested in hi-rail and AF couplers? Do what you like. I've made a point to ask Hi-railers to join our local Blue Ridge Group. Not one has stepped forward. I hope high railers and AF types stick with us scalers because we are a small group and need each other. But, speaking for myself, again, I really really don't think badly of you for spending your money how you want. I just ask you treat me the same. Or you can believe I'm a snob. Your choice. Sorry to rant, but my intentions are good. George Courtney Virus-free.www.avg.com
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Why "Scale"? 37
All -- Recently on this e-list here has been a lot of back-and-forth/justification for a variety of wheel and track types and how to accommodate what on what trackage. In my view, this is the single most off-putting issue facing the future (or lack thereof) of S. Look at HO. Everything you can buy is mutually/physically compatible with each other -- cars, locomotives, track products. You can purchase A's loco. B's car, and C's track components and everything will work toigether. No tutorial required. Now look at S. Despite recent NASG efforts to separate the various incompatibilities in S into -- get this! -- six different brochures in order to avoid confusion, the very fact that this was done accedes to the fact that S is still haunted by American Flyer. Of course, we here are long past that issue, comfortable with what we are doing. But the future of S depends not on us (most of whom are past our expiration dates!) but on future converts and newbies. For them, STANDARDS MATTER! Forget rail height for now. It's wheel flanges and flangeway widths that matter. There is no need for new products to conform to anything but NMRA standards for S. (These are identical to NASG's "scale" standards.) The only additional "no-no" is for major-mag ad to dump the AF-compatible lobster-claw coupler visuals. People new to S should not have to school themselves on S's historical incompatibilities in order to achieve operational success. I am the last surviving founder of the NASG (Chicago, 1960). NASG's stated goal was -- and continues to be -- the promotion of S scale. And I have seen a lot. I started with Lionel O-27 at age 11 months. I gave the Lionel away to a Chinese immigrant family on my 10th birthday because my parents replaced it with an A. C. Gilbert S gauge Hudson freight set. My goal ever since then has been to create realistic models to the best of my personal capabilities, expanding them via experience over time. I built my first kit, a Chester 85-foot baggage car kit, when I was 11. It didn't like my 20-inch radius curves, so I shortened it to 11 inches and -- it worked! Throughout my student years I gradually converted my tinplate stuff as well as my Northeastern, Nimco, and Kinsman kit-built equipment to NMRA-compatible scale standards, building the occasional pattern for Claud Wade's brass castings project, and entering NMRA model contests. In that era S began blossoming among the model railroading community. Our pinnacle was achieved with the arrival of the first imported S scale brass locomotives in 1985. Since then it has been downhill. Before then, the personal goal of nearly all NASG members was to move from toy trains progressively toward more realism, generally via kits with AF-compatible wheelsets and flextrack components, into hirail and scale. That is the path that I took. But now we are faced with no brass importers and inconsistent track products (unless custom-built). (Yeah, I know that Bill and Dan are working on this latter issue, and I wish them well. But plug-and-play turnouts are still a gleam in the eye.). Maybe the RMC inside-cover ads in conjunction with the NASG.org website will turn things around. But for now, those whose interest is piqued by these resources must shop the secondary S market (e.g., eBay and this e-list) to acquire even the most basic S inventory. I hadn't intended to ramble this much. My basic message for all of us whenever we face the outside model railroad fraternity is this: Get rid of the AF/hirail albatross around our necks!! Just because we here know how to deal with it doesn't mean we should have to foist it on potential newbies. -- Dick Karnes, MMR
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Where would you retire? 29
I realize that many of us on the list are already retired or semi-retired. Most likely, we're living in the last place we expect to live - no moves on the horizon. But... if you were to move again, or you haven't quite retired and are looking at places to move, where would you go that is "attractive" to model railroaders and train lovers? Where would you go that is rich in railroad lore, railroad history, railroad clubs/museums/tourist roads, and hobby shops? This is the type of discussion I have with my wife, from time to time, wrt her love of quilting. We've already identified some potential areas, but nothing there speaks to the railroad question. Public replies are appreciated, because I'd like others to see what you have to contribute. Thanks! Phil Scandura Flagstaff, AZ
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Smoky Mountain CB&Q flat car kits
I don't know how I wound up with several of these, but I need to dispose of some. I built one kit shown in photo. $50/kit plus shipping. Respond offline at swolcott at paonia dot com. Steve Wolcott
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Why "Scale"? it's all my fault 8
Although it's been some time, I also mentioned it was time to put the toys aside into a secondary purpose--collecting. Our hobby is too vast to ignore any segment entirely but since it's claimed that some of our track-age works with (nearly) everything so be it! But we simply still don't have a one stop shop! At one time many train-sets all used Atlas #100 track. Perhaps Atlas only made all kinds of track for everybody! I had hoped that the hi-rail folks would blend with the scale guys to sing songs of unity! I also thought that perhaps Lionel would have seen the light too, with their newer diesels but since they only dipped their toe in the Koolaide, nobody really knows anything, but this type of thing happens in all sorts of industries--mostly singing verses in chapter 7 or 11..., VHS vs Beta was a great example. Then poor old Kodak was our 'yellow father figure' in my business till Fuji upset our entire business. Kodak didn't know how to compete when everything changed! A Kodak rep stopped and left me with many hundreds in film,as the green Fuji disease started to take over. Now you have all sorts of products using old names made under contract god knows where! At one time, I though all this was my fault when I was shooting SHS's ads. I generally used scale settings but we also used AF items for some settings--coal loaders, accessory cars, etc. So that indicated that SHS & AM + others could blend with AF. Apparently that blending didn't happen as we always hear about or see "Somebodies AF layout" while seeing AM PA diesels pulling Budd cars. SHS switchers switching a yard filled with SHS freight cars laid on SHS flex track! Now I think we all understand that "The Powers" had to show claws and large flanges (bills to pay!), but it didn't prepare for our days of reckoning. Bob Werre
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On topic (S scale railroad modeling) 88
I have a few topics that might help this cause. I have just stripped my layout to bare module tops for a complete rebuild. Fear not, this has always been the plan. I will be placing an order for code 100 flex track from Micro Engineering in the near future. I anticipate many turnouts from Empire Track works to follow. I continue to work on several scale modeling projects including rolling stock, structures, and maritime vessels. My collection of expensive scale semi trucks, vehicles of all kinds and construction and farm implements continues at an unhealthy rate. I am hoping with fading confidence that Shane Lambert will follow through on delivering an AM GP 35 Erie Lackawanna locomotive that I sent him a check for in mid December. My good friend Bill has just posted photos of his recently completed RS 11. The trade we made was a bare brass RS 11 for a beautifully painted NYC RS 11. The NYC RS 11 is a perfect companion to the RS 11 that a purchased from Ed Loizeau. I think Bill posted a photo of the two locomotives together that, in my opinion, should be put out into the print world as an example of what our scale looks like. Bill warned me early on that scale was going to be expensive. The RS 11 was that. I have been on a steep learning curve since joining this "sport" during COVIDs shutdown. Sitting in with Bill while he installs decoders in my locomotives is invaluable. So now my goals are to install headlights in my SP SD40-2 and paint and detail my Peobe Snow Midgage passenger train.. I have in my train collection: a 1946 AC Gilbert K Pacific PRR and four New Haven passenger cars. This runs on Gargraves track. A high rail diesel transition Lackawanna freight train. A scale transition diesel freight train. A high rail modern freight train. And a scale modern freight train. These all have, until I ripped it all up, run on AF Fast Track. When I hear stories about our love of scale trains on the decline it saddens me. I'm here to stay. Andrew Parker
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Flatcar Loads 9
For all of you who might be sick of these circular, old chestnut arguments about rail size, wheel shape, who's making turnouts/who's not, who's not growing the scale, all we need is a Grade-A tie-jector car, and so on ? ... I thought I would cross post this question from another 'io' list. The S List has a number of smart, 1:64 farm equipment modelers that have to be bored senseless - if they haven't already unsubscribed. The photo below is an enlargement from the BRHS (Burlington Route) archives. Can anyone identify the loads on those six flat cars? The enlargement is fuzzy but the actual photo (link below) is more distant. The photo is from 1948, taken along the Mississippi River at Desoto, Wisc. Since that area of the country had more than a few farm implement manufacturers, some type of farm equipment seems to be the reigning theory. At any rate, I just wondered if a farm equipment expert might cast a sharp eye on an admittedly, very fuzzy photo... The full photo: https://burlingtonroutehistoricalsociety.smugmug.com/Company-4x5-Negatives/Train-Action-Shots/i-d4KQrvz shows the train is northbound as the CB&Q tracks are on the east side of the river. Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI
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Email scam
Group, If you received an email supposedly from me earlier today about buying an Amazon gift card please do not respond. My email has been hacked and this is a scam. From feedback I am getting I think this scam email is being sent to anyone I ever emailed. Wade Schlinger
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W. A. Drake Mobilgas tank car for sale 2
I have a W. A. Drake Mobilgas tank car for sale. I have attached pictures of both sides of the model. Tank car has been lightly weathered. Wheels and trucks are weathered too. Original W. A. Drake blue box is included. I purchased this car a few years ago from Tom at Sidetracks and paid $325.00. I am asking $260.00 plus $17.00 for shipping to the lower 48. If interested, contact me off group at wkschlinger@... I accept PayPal friends and family and personal check for payment. If you pay by check, I will ship the model once the check clears. Wade Schlinger
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Conrail RS11 YouTube 2
This is my first YouTube of 2025 please give it a look. https://youtu.be/NzjwrW-lYE4?si=UUZC7TBvYqxb5itt Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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