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I Think it would be a very good option to have the dispach in the form of a pdf or msword doc file! the only problem is the time it takes to download those files!, A updated web page is another thought! Ray A , western new york s scalers >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Clark <billclark@...> >> To: Don Thompson <thompsda@...> >> Cc: John Foley <FOLEY164@...>; Craig O'Connell <crocon@...>; Greg >> Miller <gnrm@...> >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:36 AM >> Subject: Re: Stuff 2 >> >> <cut> I know that Mike and I both seem to be more apt to publish on the >> web than in magazines, although we have talked about articles for both the >> dispach and S-Gaugian. <snip> >> >> Anyway, getting back to NASG, it would be ideal if they could put some of the >> recent published articles on line, to prime the pump. And I expect most or >> all of the clubs, and many individuals, would be happy to send links to NASG >> as they post articles. It would definately take some effort to manage it all >> though, and that part would not be fun! >> >> Bill >> >>> At 08:49 AM 3/17/00 +0100, Don Thompson wrote: >>> Dear Bill, >>> <cut> I think it would be very easy for a S scale e-zine to be made linking >>> all of these sites which are gems of "S" information. The real beauty would >>> be that the articles could be archived so as it would be easy to answer all >>> kinds of questions. <cut> >>> Don T. >>> E-zine, web archives, articles on line? There is an accelerating trend away from printed material distributed by mail, which is guaranteed to be at least two months old, to the same information distributed by way of the Internet, where it is instantly available worldwide. I wonder what the NASG's position is. Is the NASG thinking "outside the box" or is it sticking with dead tree technology? The February Dispatch, which I received yesterday, includes the notice about the dues increase from $27 to $30, because of "printing cost increases, postal increases, and. . .new computer equipment. . ." Ironically , the February Dispatch also includes material that appeared first in this mailing list. How about a new $2.00 membership category that includes Internet notices from the NASG, but no printed Dispatch? - Bill Roberts _______________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________

My collection of engines consists of three of those dayton engines . Two are only shells but one was powered with a DC91 pittman . It has a large spring and pully drive, with brass trucks. its a beast. Ray A , western new york S scalers Message: 13 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:49:38 -0800 From: Bill Roberts <wrob@...> Subject: Dayton F-3 A and B I am looking at my Dayton F-3 A and B shells and wondering what I can do with them, other than junking them. Any suggestions on power? At one time I thought about an American Models chassis, but I figured it was not robust enough. The A unit is heavy. It appears to be a brass casting. The top, which includes the four fans and steam generator, and the fuel tank are separate brass castings. It has crude brass dummy trucks (that are expendable) and a wooden floor. The B unit is lighter than the A unit. It is a two-piece casting, like the A unit, but it is white metal of some kind. Also, like the A unit, the fuel tank is a separate brass casting. The B unit has no trucks. Dayton must have made hundreds or thousands of these. Where are they today? Are they running? Eventually I want to put them to work pulling a train of Perma-Bilt, Super Scale, Midgage, Regal, Branch Line, Northeastern and Ambroid cars. - Bill Roberts _________________________________

Well, here we are. Let's see how it goes. Quite frankly, I didn't have a problem with everything on a common list. I'm primarily a scaler, but I have an interest in the hirail end also, as I'm sure many do. I'm also a rubber gauger, and can't help but notice that the phenominal growth of "O" in the last few years was due more the the "dreaded" three-railers than the two-railers. But I'll confine the subject to scale on this list from this point on. Anyway, we are fortunate that the two primary suppliers of S locomotives and rolling stock are scale related. Yeah, I know AM's stuff is pretty generic, but it's a good stating point for redetailing. And, if you so inclined and can bring it up to Proto-64, so much the better. But, I'm starting to ramble now. David D. was right! This soapbox is slippery! Rich G

Hi everyone Sorry it took me sooo long to get here. This ought to be a little surprise for those , at the shows, when they return!! >:~)) Richard

I'm not wishing to put the hard word on anyone here, this is just an idea. Conventions are a lot of fun, but we don't all get to go. As a way of feeling like we are there and all, would it be possible that a convention web page have daily updates, maybe showing news releases, competition winners with maybe some PIX, images of some layouts on show ...you know all the typical stuff of a big meet. You don't need a digital camera per se...a video can be link to give good results. Oh yeah, sending to these two lists is a LOT easier. Back to the web page thing, not trying to take away any glory or exposure that the Mags give, just thought it might be intersting to have like an interactive quality to the event. >:~)) Richard

Richard & ALL, GREAT IDEA!!! I love it. Hmm, probably work for someone, but how about the organizing committee, or ??? Would really be neat!! S' David D.

"sending thids again, not sure it went to the scale list firtat time!!" I'm not wishing to put the hard word on anyone here, this is just an idea. Conventions are a lot of fun, but we don't all get to go. As a way of feeling like we are there and all, would it be possible that a convention web page have daily updates, maybe showing news releases, competition winners with maybe some PIX, images of some layouts on show ...you know all the typical stuff of a big meet. You don't need a digital camera per se...a video can be link to give good results. Oh yeah, sending to these two lists is a LOT easier. Back to the web page thing, not trying to take away any glory or exposure that the Mags give, just thought it might be intersting to have like an interactive quality to the event. >:~)) Richard

Now that I have your attention, there have been several posts to the S-Trains list in the past looking for ways to strip chrome off of plastic. I found a copy of A Scale Auto Enthusiast magazine article that covers this subject online at http://www2.scaleautomag.com/scaleauto/features/articlesamples/Decmbr98.pdf. You'll need an Adobe Acrobat Reader to view the article which you can download from http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html. Just thought I'd share that tidbit with you all. Now let's strip! -- Keith Thompson in Seattle

Anyone have any info on the 6000-8000 gal tank car built by this Co? As in cost and quality. Looking for an 8000gal tank. Thank You Andrew Baird Nfld Rlwy Canada -

In response to Richard's comment about convention pictures... I would love to publish some photos from the convention. Please send them to me. I can scan them and return the originals, if you like. I prefer that you send me scanned images, Use 75-100 dpi on your scanner. JPG is best for photos. If you send me the actual photos in the mail, its best to send me copies. If you want the prints back, include a self addressed envelope. Always send me the names of the people in the photos and the owners of any trains, so we can give credit to the correct people. I am always looking for pictures and content, photos are great. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ (alt e-mail paulyork@...)

Rich As you point out it will grow,.....there were over sixty nearlt seventy on the Proto list....not everyone was interested in proto (an inadequacy this author fails to understand <vb-grin>). I doubt that we will ever have quite the same numbers as the S-trains list , at least not for quite some while. ...but thats not the point..its not about quantity of numbers...its about topics.. >:~)) Richard

Hi All, I've compiled a list of Racing Champions Motor Trend Mint Editions upcoming and recent releases and I thought I'd share them with you so you can keep your eyes peeled for the autos you want for your layout. Remember RC has cut the production to 9,999 so grab 'em while you can. -- Keith Thompson in Seattle Upcoming: Issue # Car Color 244 1965 Ford Galaxie Teal 243 1949 Cadillac Coupe DeVille 2-tone Blue 242 1955 Chevy Bel Air Shadow Grey/Coral 241 1958 Ford Edsel Hardtop 2-tone Black/Red 240 1969 Dodge Charger Red 239 1956 Chevy Nomad India Ivory/Dusk Plum 238 1967 Chevy Chevelle SS Red w/Black Top 237 1937 Cord Phaeton Sedan 812 Yellow w/Black Top Released: Issue # Car Color 236 1969 Dodge Charger 500 Copper w/Flat Black Top 235 1969 Chevy Corvette Blue 234 1971 Plymouth GTX Plum Crazy 233 1970 Dodge Super Bee Sublime 232 1965 Ford F-100 Pickup 2-tone Teal/White 231 1957 Buick Century Black 230 1966 Pontiac GTO Fontaine Blue 229 1977 AMC Pacer Red 228 1937 Cord Phaeton Sedan 812 Blue 227 1971 Plymouth GTX Yellow 226 1950 Oldsmobile 88 Club Sedan Dark Red 225 1968 Pontiac Firebird Dark Green 224 1970 Chevy Chevelle Desert Sand Metallic 223 1957 Plymouth Fury Teal 222 1957 Plymouth Fury Cream

Alex Binkley wrote: Fred at NWSL says direct is the best way to order. In case you don't have the info on NWSL, here it is: Telephone: 206-932-1087 FAX: 206-935-7106 Postal Address: P.O. Box 423 Seattle WA 98111 USA Email: info@... Part numbers and the descriptions: NWSL #2534-6 -- S scale Proto:S 40" code 88 nickel-plated wheelsets with precision Delrin? axle gears and brass bearings. NWSL #2535-6 -- S scale 40" code 110 nickel-plated wheelsets with precision Delrin? axle gears and brass bearings. Price of either kit is $29.95 for four wheelsets to do one locomotive. Availability: Come 'n' get 'em! -- Keith Thompson in Seattle

It's been awful quite out here. Guess the BIG news on S-trains is keeping everyone busy. Anyhow, my spies at the NASG convention tell me there's some new brass coming. I don't have any particulars, but: River Raisin- NKP and Pere Marquette 2-8-4's Southwind- Russian Decapod (Frisco, SAL, WM, MP?) I don't know about anyone else, but both these are on my "A" list as far as favorites. Particularly the Russian Decapod in a Frisco version. Before lack of free time became an issue, I was one of the weekend engineers on Illinois Railway Museum's Frisco 1630 (brag, brag) and have felt this would be an excellent locomotive for S-Scale. Anyone who went to the convention got any more information about these and other new things? Be seeing you Rich G.

All You know I have often thought that given the profitability that model railroaders give the major players in this hobby, that the likes of Kalmbach and Carstens would actually GIVE organisations a bit of a break and provide , albeit not huge ads but some form of a free "community service announcement". geez even broadcasters do it . I think its a bit rich that these larger publishers seem to want their cake and eat it too. Maybe there are preferential pricing for non-profit organisations????? You think it would be a very opportune way of expressing the goodwill of this hobby. I do apreciate that Business is Business, but we aren't selling cars or cereal here we are dealing with a hobby, a pastime...it gets more personal and interactive. If the majors don't start remembering their roots, they are in danger of losing touch with the common modeler, and they become just another throw away mag, as opposed to the cummalitve library of knowledge that most of us would treat them as. You would think it quite magnaminous of our Wisconsin and New Jersey publishing friends to offer a little help...or is that too much to expect in this crass commercial age!! (think I justbles any writing career) >:~)) Richard

Since my recent posts I took the time to reread the previous offerings...boy you must have some unfortunate experiences over on your sidereagrding shoppiung malls, but as that is where you guys are..maybe it is not such a jot idea...or is it very regional as to reponses. I suppose the best target for immediate responses is to show to modelers from the dark-sides....maybe we could get Lucas to sponsor...sorry losing the plot here >:~)) Richard

Keith and all I have to ask,,this parlance is not in my vocabulary... Aaaaagghhh the ol S train set next to the Dept 56 trick eh chief!!! I say it here and again and again ..this would have to be the biggest gimmee your side of the black stump ( I'll explain that to any one who enquires) The potential for gaining "S"sales from this exercise I think could be truly mind boggling...but like I professed late last year on the S-trains list...it needs a quantum shift in marketing for any established "S" manufacturer...because you will be predominanntly selling to not onl;y non "S" ers but non model railroaders!!...BUT...BUT...I really think it has fantastic potential...BACHMANN already know it and got the jump...but there is always room for one more.... Keep the set cheap and cheerful..your selling an image, an experience ...and get this it is really just an accessory to the ornaments. Doesn't mean it cant be faithful as a replica of some prototype. Can't remember the figures I based my original diatribe on (but I'll find them) ...I don't think its wishing for the moon to sell a minimum of 50000 units..and this makes many an equation very interesting. Keith I totally agree with your idea for an improvised set...use what is existing..re-engineeer it for the Dept 56 crowd...really armortise the existing debt for this stuff...great.. BACHMANN aren't stupid (not any more) they hit the button ...a smallish steamer with some coaches...the coaches can be basically the same effort ..make one with a railing on the end...suedo obs......make one livery.."North Pole express" hell inject the loco and caoaches in Dickensian Christamas red...who cares...model railroaders aren't buying it...Dept 56 collectors are. Keith youre right ..then you add one otr two different pieces of rolling stock the folling year...put out the original stuff in different garb for the collectors..then folow it up the next year with another locomotive ( if all is going well ).... This whole thing has SO much potential !! It really would be a turning point for "S" As Keith re-inforces ...you would have a couple of thousand extra essers overnight. Almost as impotanr..and probably more so from a manufacturing point of view, the scope for developing new product gains some serious foundation. Stumbling block...money....but a real believer could amass the venture capital... do we know anyone with a company who might like to take an investment loss for a couple of years...there is always more than one way to skin a cat. Pie in the sky stuff???? I ask you is your glass half empty of half full?? >:~)) Richard

I was confirmed to be on the S-Scale list but to date I am only receiving Richard Snook's messages. I am not getting the list or the other opinions expressed. I appreciate Richard's answers but what are the questions? Staying on NASG track, Glenn

Some one was looking for Larry Graf? -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ (alt e-mail paulyork@...)

Glenn Ritter wrote: Glenn, I wouldn't worry, the S-Scale list is new and there hasn't been a lot of traffic on it yet. The pace will probably pick up as the fall new products season starts up. Be seeing you Rich G.