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Re: Whirring Noise - And the winner is!

 

Adam,

Yes, it included parts. I dont remember the exact amount but I will check my
receipt and let you know.

Rob


Re: Whirring Noise - And the winner is!

 

Adam,

If you remember, my tube went out last summer. I tried to do it myself but
found it very difficult without a lift. The problem is that the rear end must
come out, and to do this you need to support the car in the air, with the
axle free to role away. I could not find a secure way to this without
worrying about the car falling off the stands. For me it was worth paying the
$900.00 or so to have it done. If you decide this is a better option, Denny
Akers at Akers Foreign Auto in Seattle, does great work. I highly recommend
him. They did mine in a day. They also replaced the front and rear bearings
and serviced the trany at the same time, which I also recommend.

Rob Fossett


Re: Whirring Noise - And the winner is!

 

Calvin,

My torque tube went out and there was no vibration in my gear select boot.
Just a loud humm under the car

Rob Fossett


Re: Whirring Noise - And the winner is!

 

Adam: If the torque tube is the problem( the bearings inside) you should feel
the vibration in the shifter or some type of vibration from the bearings
going out.
Calvin 90S4


Whirring Noise - And the winner is!

ADAM BIRNBAUM
 

Okay everyone,

I posted on sunday that my '88 S4 A/T had picked up a whirring noise. I'm
going to get it verified with the local porsche shop tomorrow, but I think
Geoff Taylor may be a winner. Of his many suggestions, he stated torque
tube bearings. I just got done running the car with the front end in the
air. Crawled underneath, and I swear the noise is coming from the torque
tube. There is definitely a weird resonance thing going on under there. At
first it sounded like it was coming from the bell housing, then the
transaxle, then above the cats. I'd heard that drive train noises could be
elusive, but man this is flat out weird.

So, my local brethren, I'm all ears on torque tube replacement cost
estimates. I would really like to take this on myself (really), but am not
sure if I'm quite up to the task.

I'll post tomorrow after I get the news from the experts.

-Adam Birnbaum


Re: Devek Day

 

Ok, all that are interested. Just got off the phone to Marc about my car and
the upcoming Virginia City Hillclimb, etc. The Devek day came up, and to quote
"great minds think alike" Marc...
Anyhow, they were thinking about sponsoring something at Thunderhill or one of
the other tracks in the area. So we are all on the same page. They will be
posting something on Rennlist 928 soon with an event calender. I volunteered to
do the homework for the track day, so let's see what Marc and Susan come up with
for an event schedual. I would think if we do a day at Thunderhill, dinner would
not be happening. Marc said he would want to tech cars before we track them,
meaning he would be at Thunderhill, too, and I am sure he would like to get some
track time in the White car as well. So as things work out, I will be posting
updates. In the mean time, anyone interested, let me know. Susan will probably
do some shirts, etc.
Bye for now.
Don Hanson

LouisOtt@... wrote:

In a message dated 6/6/00 5:50:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dhanson@...
writes:

Dunno about when to drive into the city. If Thunderhill is a go, we are
likely to be very worn-out after a day at the track. Probably be better
to
stay
at Willows, have a swim, dinner, etc. It will be really hot in Aug. in the
central valley, and track time has a way of wringing you out anyways.
Anyone
know of good motels near Deveks?
Hi Don,
Last year, Devek had a no host dinner on Friday evening that's fun. Also they
usually block some rooms at a motel that's within a mile of their place.
Maybe can't do Thunder Hill and still get there by Friday evening.

Louie

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Re: Power Steering

 

--- In PacNW928@..., "Adam Birnbaum" <adamb777@w...> wrote:
Oh man, the Spectre of Shark Failure is among us!

So.., who's turn was it to sacrifice the virgin and dance around
the
pillar
of fire last month? :) We've got to keep up on these things, or
else soon
we'll all be left with nothing but some very expensive garage
furniture.

Middleton, your next!

-Adam
Hey hey hey, keep it down, don't want my car to hear that , Ive
already experienced the "Rennlist" effect.......

Actually, had the 928 on a trip down to one of my sites yesterday
(Longview)and it performed perfectly. Just love those early morning
drives down the I-5 No traffic and averaging 80 and 90 mph. Only a
few cops around and they seem more interested in getting thier
morning
coffee... This car is so smoooth at high speeds its unbelievable.

On a side note, filling up at the local chevron down there (I can't
believe premium is 15 cents cheaper down there ($1.70/gal) than here
in Seattle ($1.85 and up/gal)) I noticed a sign that said race fuel.

Upon closer inspection it was Sunoco race fuel 100 octane WOW....

they had leaded (110 octane)-off road use only and unleaded (100
octane). Didn't think they could legally sell leaded gas
these days?? Thought about putting some unleaded in but at about
$4.10 per gallon I thought not. Maybe just for the drag day :-0..


Later,

Tom
midlman@...


Re: timing belt

 

Hi Adam and Michael,

I think I can figure out what happened. Seems Michaels address was
bounding on this mail list too, so did a bit of checking and realized
that his email domain was incorrect in our records. I corrected it
when I did the first mailing (back when gauging interest in Pac NW
events) and then it appears that this correction got "lost". When I
set up the new PACNW list I used his old domain and hence the bounce.

Figured out what had happened and changed it.

Funny thing, seems a lot of MSN email accounts have this problem
i.e username@... rather than the correct username@....

Anyway, I did not see the original post so send it back out to the
list and Im sure we will comment. ;-).


Later,
Tom
midlman@...


--- In PacNW928@..., "Adam Birnbaum" <adamb777@w...> wrote:
Hey Michael,

I'm sorry I don't recall receiving your email. Was this some time
ago? I
took your email address off my address book sometime ago because my
emails
to you weren't going through. If you have a new address, send it
to
me so
I can update you on my list.

The belt probably needs to be tensioned at a minimum, or replaced.
If you
don't have any record of the T-belt service, I'd have it replaced
along
with the water pump.
It's a literal time bomb ticking in your engine if the belt goes on
you.

Not trying to be critical, just want some clarification. The first
year
for the S4 was 1987. Does your 86.5 (S3) have an S4 engine? The 85
and
86's came with a 32 valve motor, but it is different than the S4
engine.
Just curious.

Its good to hear from you again Michael.

-Adam


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From: blueheartmusic <blueheartmusic@e...>
To: Adam Birnbaum <adamb777@w...>
Cc: PacNW928@...
Subject: timing belt
Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:21 AM

Adam, I wrote about the situation with my timing belt, did you
receive it,
overveiw, my tension belt light comes on only after the car has been
running quite while and I get it on ,passing full pedal down, and
if
I pull
over shut it down and restart the light is gone. I am 2nd owner of
my car
and don't know if the belt has been replaced, there are 96k on the
car and
it's a beauty blk/blk S4 32v auto with big brakes , I guess its
refered to
as 86.5
Any ideas, I would appriciae input.
thanks,
michaelg


Re: Devek Day

 

Hi all.


--- In PacNW928@..., "redinger@a..." <redinger@a...> wrote:
Don,

Back when I asked the question I believe I got around seven
affirmative
responses on going to Devek Day. I will be going and am interested
in
hooking up with others of you along the way. Portland might be a
good place
for all to hook up.

Sound good to me, very central location from my perspective.


Question for the group: Of those that are going, what do your
schedules
look like, with respect to travel dates? I personally have to
watch
the
time off, but I'll be flexible. Don, are you thinking drive to
Devek from
Willows on Saturday morning, or the night before? We would want to
be at
Devek early on Saturday, perhaps by 8:00 to get good parking. It
will fill
up fast.

I was thinking of taking the Friday off and driving down (I checked
last year and remember it being about 10hrs??). If we leave fairly
early, we could be in town around 6:00 pm. Just in time to check in
and hit the pre event gathering they usually have.


I also remember that Inns of America had a block of rooms available
at
special rates???? Does anyone know if this is the same this year?


later,
Tom
midlman@...


Re: Devek Day

 

Dunno about when to drive into the city. If Thunderhill is a go, we are
likely to be very worn-out after a day at the track. Probably be better to stay
at Willows, have a swim, dinner, etc. It will be really hot in Aug. in the
central valley, and track time has a way of wringing you out anyways. Anyone
know of good motels near Deveks?
Don Hanson

"redinger@..." wrote:

Don,
Portland might be a good place
for all to hook up.

Question for the group: Of those that are going, what do your schedules
look like, with respect to travel dates? I personally have to watch the
time off, but I'll be flexible. Don, are you thinking drive to Devek from
Willows on Saturday morning, or the night before? We would want to be at
Devek early on Saturday, perhaps by 8:00 to get good parking. It will fill
up fast.

Terry Redinger

Don Hanson wrote:


Re: Devek Day

 

In a message dated 6/6/00 5:50:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dhanson@...
writes:

Dunno about when to drive into the city. If Thunderhill is a go, we are
likely to be very worn-out after a day at the track. Probably be better
to
stay
at Willows, have a swim, dinner, etc. It will be really hot in Aug. in the
central valley, and track time has a way of wringing you out anyways.
Anyone
know of good motels near Deveks?
Hi Don,
Last year, Devek had a no host dinner on Friday evening that's fun. Also they
usually block some rooms at a motel that's within a mile of their place.
Maybe can't do Thunder Hill and still get there by Friday evening.

Louie


Re: Devek Day

 

Don,

Back when I asked the question I believe I got around seven affirmative
responses on going to Devek Day. I will be going and am interested in
hooking up with others of you along the way. Portland might be a good place
for all to hook up.

Question for the group: Of those that are going, what do your schedules
look like, with respect to travel dates? I personally have to watch the
time off, but I'll be flexible. Don, are you thinking drive to Devek from
Willows on Saturday morning, or the night before? We would want to be at
Devek early on Saturday, perhaps by 8:00 to get good parking. It will fill
up fast.

Terry Redinger


Don Hanson wrote:

Hi all
A few weeks back some interest was expressed in going to
Devek day this August. How bout trying to make a
rendezvous, or caravaning, or trying to otherwise get
together for something in conjunction with this event?
Just an idea that crossed this feeble brain. It usually
takes me two days to get there(lotsa cops on I-5, and on 97,
so maybe we could all overnite at the same town or
something, unless everyone plans on doing the long days
drive. Maybe....haven't looked into this really, yet, stop
in Willows, California on Friday and get a day at
Thunderhill. Friday is their normal "open test and tune"
day, I'll look into it, if anyone is interested. Willows is
about 4 hours from Deveks.

Don Hanson

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Re: Power Steering

 

Any of you guys know a virgin?

Terry

Adam Birnbaum wrote:

Oh man, the Spectre of Shark Failure is among us!

So.., who's turn was it to sacrifice the virgin and dance around the pillar
of fire last month? :) We've got to keep up on these things, or else soon
we'll all be left with nothing but some very expensive garage furniture.

Middleton, your next!

-Adam

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From: rhenson <rhenson@...>
To: PacNW928 (E-mail) <PacNW928@...>
Subject: [PacNW928] Power Steering
Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:08 AM

Ok, Is it possible to loose your power steering with no other problems
and
still have plenty of fluid? Last week I pulled the shark out and found
that
the battery had died after not being driven for 5 weeks. So, I had to
jump
it. But I took it out for a couple of hours and everything seemed normal.
This weekend I took it out and I could swear that the power steering is
gone.

Ray Henson
88' S4 Auto - SandMetallic/Rolls Royce
Port Orchard,WA

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Re: More Devek Day

Curt Nichols
 

Don DSQ Hanson
(chuckle) Say, Don, does your health insurance cover getting the lead removed from your right foot? :-)

Curt


Re: More Devek Day

Lloyd Johnson
 

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This would be a blast; I've never been on this track... the more tracks the better.
Lloyd

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Hanson [mailto:dhanson@...]
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:18 PM
To: PacNW 928
Subject: [PacNW928] More Devek Day


??? Hi again

??? I checked the website at Thunderhill Racetrack.? They
indeed have an "open test" day on the Friday before Devek
Day.? I have done a couple of days at Thunderhill with my
Motorcycle roadrace buddies, and it is an awesome track!
Wide, smooth pavement, great sight-lines, wide-open
run-offs, and a really super staff.
??? On prior trackdays there, our group got special rates at
a really nice motel/resturant in Willows, about 15mins from
the track, and I am sure we could do that again.? Great
resturant and bar also.
??? It costs $175 for the day at the track.? They have
flaggers, ambulance, food, and fuel.? I will look further
into it, if there is interest.? I also mentioned the idea to
Susan Thomas to see if they wanted to 'officially' sanction
the (maybe) event, or thought it was a good idea.? We will
see.We? might also want to? open it to other Rennlisters if
everyone thinks that might be good.? We could probably get
the whole track, if there are enough of us, or otherwise
just sign up early to assure us all a spot and run with
whoever else is testing that day.? The weekend has a private
school on Sat. and a MC day on Sunday, so we probably would
not have to deal with a bunch of racers tuning for an event
the following day.
??? So that is what we can do, if there is enough interest.
Could leave here Thursday, meet in Willows for dinner, track
-it Friday and go on down to Belmont, or whatever.? Looks
do-able and it would really be fun.
??? If anyone is interested, let me know fairly soon so
there is some time to organize stuff and maybe get it out to
the other 928ers that might be interested, or even to other
friends or whatever the group(if there is one) decides.
??? Look out, Adam.? Here comes the next shark promoter.
Hey, we could have t-shirts with our nicknames on
them..wait, that has been done..
??????????????????????????????????????????????? Don DSQ
Hanson


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More Devek Day

 

Hi again

I checked the website at Thunderhill Racetrack. They
indeed have an "open test" day on the Friday before Devek
Day. I have done a couple of days at Thunderhill with my
Motorcycle roadrace buddies, and it is an awesome track!
Wide, smooth pavement, great sight-lines, wide-open
run-offs, and a really super staff.
On prior trackdays there, our group got special rates at
a really nice motel/resturant in Willows, about 15mins from
the track, and I am sure we could do that again. Great
resturant and bar also.
It costs $175 for the day at the track. They have
flaggers, ambulance, food, and fuel. I will look further
into it, if there is interest. I also mentioned the idea to
Susan Thomas to see if they wanted to 'officially' sanction
the (maybe) event, or thought it was a good idea. We will
see.We might also want to open it to other Rennlisters if
everyone thinks that might be good. We could probably get
the whole track, if there are enough of us, or otherwise
just sign up early to assure us all a spot and run with
whoever else is testing that day. The weekend has a private
school on Sat. and a MC day on Sunday, so we probably would
not have to deal with a bunch of racers tuning for an event
the following day.
So that is what we can do, if there is enough interest.
Could leave here Thursday, meet in Willows for dinner, track
-it Friday and go on down to Belmont, or whatever. Looks
do-able and it would really be fun.
If anyone is interested, let me know fairly soon so
there is some time to organize stuff and maybe get it out to
the other 928ers that might be interested, or even to other
friends or whatever the group(if there is one) decides.
Look out, Adam. Here comes the next shark promoter.
Hey, we could have t-shirts with our nicknames on
them..wait, that has been done..
Don DSQ
Hanson


Devek Day

 

Hi all
A few weeks back some interest was expressed in going to
Devek day this August. How bout trying to make a
rendezvous, or caravaning, or trying to otherwise get
together for something in conjunction with this event?
Just an idea that crossed this feeble brain. It usually
takes me two days to get there(lotsa cops on I-5, and on 97,
so maybe we could all overnite at the same town or
something, unless everyone plans on doing the long days
drive. Maybe....haven't looked into this really, yet, stop
in Willows, California on Friday and get a day at
Thunderhill. Friday is their normal "open test and tune"
day, I'll look into it, if anyone is interested. Willows is
about 4 hours from Deveks.

Don Hanson


Re: Devek Day

 

Hi Don,
Good plan.
Louie Ott


Re: timing belt

Adam Birnbaum
 

Hey Michael,

I'm sorry I don't recall receiving your email. Was this some time ago? I
took your email address off my address book sometime ago because my emails
to you weren't going through. If you have a new address, send it to me so
I can update you on my list.

The belt probably needs to be tensioned at a minimum, or replaced. If you
don't have any record of the T-belt service, I'd have it replaced along
with the water pump.
It's a literal time bomb ticking in your engine if the belt goes on you.

Not trying to be critical, just want some clarification. The first year
for the S4 was 1987. Does your 86.5 (S3) have an S4 engine? The 85 and
86's came with a 32 valve motor, but it is different than the S4 engine.
Just curious.

Its good to hear from you again Michael.

-Adam


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From: blueheartmusic <blueheartmusic@...>
To: Adam Birnbaum <adamb777@...>
Cc: PacNW928@...
Subject: timing belt
Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:21 AM

Adam, I wrote about the situation with my timing belt, did you receive it,
overveiw, my tension belt light comes on only after the car has been
running quite while and I get it on ,passing full pedal down, and if I pull
over shut it down and restart the light is gone. I am 2nd owner of my car
and don't know if the belt has been replaced, there are 96k on the car and
it's a beauty blk/blk S4 32v auto with big brakes , I guess its refered to
as 86.5
Any ideas, I would appriciae input.
thanks,
michaelg


Re: A day with ProFormance

Adam Birnbaum
 

Hi Calvin,

I take mine to Larson's. I think I'm the only person on the planet that
has had good experiences with them. We will see what happens this next
time around, it looks like they have a new service manager.

When I had them do work in the past (t-belt/pump, ABS fix, alignment,
tranny scheduled service) I made them put in writing that I would be
notified if they went more than 10% over quote. I also talked personally
with the mechanic before and after any work was done. I think communication
is the most important thing. I've heard of others getting dinged by all
the local shops, and its mostly when the car is left and there is no talk
about what happens if the shop goes over estimate. By law they are supposed
to let you know if they more than 10% over, but after the repairs are done,
what are going to do, have them remove the parts?

Lloyd mentioned Leif at Autoworks Northwest. He has an excellent
reputation, but is known for taking awhile to complete work because of his
thoroughness and the high demand for his work. He did the pre-purchase
inspection on my shark and would be my first choice if I lived in Seattle.
When and if Larson's does me wrong, I will seek Leif out.

I'm glad to see that you'll be coming out to the drags. If you decide to
run your car, let me know.

-Adam

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From: mmayn43508@...
To: PacNW928@...
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] A day with ProFormance
Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:03 AM

Adam: who do you take your car to when having problems that you can't
diagnose? Is there anybody that is real good with the 928's, My old 88
(stolen last August) had been at Akers, i had it at Larson and wouldnt do
that again( originally bought the car there). The 9o I have i bought at
park
place, 27,800 miles real clean and to much premium, but once you have one
you
have to have another, it wqas well documented and alot of the cars are on
3rd
an 4th owners and pretty trashed, anyway see ya at SIR
Calvin

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