Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande
10/13-14/61 Regular day off.
10/14/61 Job abolished.
10/14/61 Deadhead, through freight rate, marked on Chama 4:00 PM, marked off Durango 6:30 PM, on duty 2:30, paid $20.77 for 107 miles.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
3/27-28/61 Layed in.
3/29/61 Plattsburg yard, power 4107, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburg 7:00 AM, marked off Plattsburg 3:00 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.56 for 100 miles, F.C. Adams engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - with E.B. King
1/3/63 Plattsburg yard, power 4031, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburg 11:30 PM, marked off Plattsburg 7:30 AM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.56 for 100 miles, E.B. King engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
3/22/53 Mohawk yard, power 3011, yard rate, marked on Mohawk 2:30 PM, marked off Mohawk 10:30 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $14.79 for 100 miles, G. Austin engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC St. Lawrence Division
9/30/48 Layed in.
10/1/48 deadhead on Lima class L-3b 4-8-2 3035, train B1Wx, power Alco class L-2c 4-8-2 2852, local freight rate, marked on DeWitt 8:15 AM, marked off Watertown 7:10 PM, on duty 10:55, paid $17.93 for 154 miles, Richardson engineer or conductor, Cooper engine tender.
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error
He must have had almost 40 years on the job.
Thanks for sharing.
Ed
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 08:30:52 AM EDT, Al Whalen <1whalen62@...> wrote:
Fireman/trainee Tom Vogt worked his whole career on the D&H north end and retired a few years ago.? His son, Tom Jr., also worked for several years with his father before going to the Port of Albany RR (a 50% D&H owned property).?? AFAIK he is still there.
9/23/85 RPPY, power B&M 1724-D&H 452-MEC 282, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 10:00 PM, 2:30 premium time, MU power @ Rouses Point (claim 3 cuts), pick up B&M 369-D&H 2920 @ Willsboro, train to Mohawk, taxi to Mechanicville, marked off Mechanicville? 9:15 AM, on duty 11:15, paid $354.89 for 360 miles, Cooper engineer, T. Vogt fireman/trainee, T. Heller conductor.
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Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error
Fireman/trainee Tom Vogt worked his whole career on the D&H north end and retired a few years ago.? His son, Tom Jr., also worked for several years with his father before going to the Port of Albany RR (a 50% D&H owned property).?? AFAIK he is still there.
9/23/85 RPPY, power B&M 1724-D&H 452-MEC 282, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 10:00 PM, 2:30 premium time, MU power @ Rouses Point (claim 3 cuts), pick up B&M 369-D&H 2920 @ Willsboro, train to Mohawk, taxi to Mechanicville, marked off Mechanicville? 9:15 AM, on duty 11:15, paid $354.89 for 360 miles, Cooper engineer, T. Vogt fireman/trainee, T. Heller conductor.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error
9/23/85 RPPY, power B&M 1724-D&H 452-MEC 282, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 10:00 PM, 2:30 premium time, MU power @ Rouses Point (claim 3 cuts), pick up B&M 369-D&H 2920 @ Willsboro, train to Mohawk, taxi to Mechanicville, marked off Mechanicville? 9:15 AM, on duty 11:15, paid $354.89 for 360 miles, Cooper engineer, T. Vogt fireman/trainee, T. Heller conductor.
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Re: The Lightning Stripe Scheme
You're welcome. I enjoy doing the research and sharing.
Ed
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 05:06:29 PM EDT, Dave Saums <dsaums@...> wrote:
Ed, this is certainly a detailed reply, for all the modelers here! I always like the positioning of the unit number on the C-628 fleet, although I can't say quite why.? A number on the cab side, under the cab window, always has seemed to me to be more practical--
as more likely to be where the eye is first drawn.? In heavy rain, snow, or at night, anyway.? Just an opinion, though.
Dave Saums.
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Good morning Bruce,
As Jeff stated, there was also a period where a side number appeared on the side of the running boards on some lightning striped engines. This was limited to the RS-11s, RS-36s and the SD45s. Starting by 2/68, Gothic numbers
started showing up on most of these units. It was about centered on the RS units above the fuel tank and above the front axle of the rear truck on the SD45s. Because of the radiator flaring of the SD45s, the yellow number couldn't be applied there as on the
other six axle units.
With the arrival of the C-628s, a yellow number appeared above the radiator. This continued on the U30Cs, U23Bs and U33Cs.
The Railroad Roman number started appearing on the side of all engines, under the "Delaware & Hudson" by 3/71. Eventually, they were changed to the Gothic type.?
The large number on the sides of the lightning striped units was generally a "patch job". This stared by 5/81.
These dates are from pictures I have found from sources published and unpublished. They are as accurate as I am able to discern.
I hope this helps.
Ed
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 09:07:24 PM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:
Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers added, and
was there a plan to which loco received which lettering? Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?
Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side numbers?
Bruce
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Ed Cox
-- Ed Cox
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Re: The Lightning Stripe Scheme
Ed, this is certainly a detailed reply, for all the modelers here! I always like the positioning of the unit number on the C-628 fleet, although I can't say quite why.? A number on the cab side, under the cab window, always has seemed to me to be more practical--
as more likely to be where the eye is first drawn.? In heavy rain, snow, or at night, anyway.? Just an opinion, though.
Dave Saums.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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Good morning Bruce,
As Jeff stated, there was also a period where a side number appeared on the side of the running boards on some lightning striped engines. This was limited to the RS-11s, RS-36s and the SD45s. Starting by 2/68, Gothic numbers
started showing up on most of these units. It was about centered on the RS units above the fuel tank and above the front axle of the rear truck on the SD45s. Because of the radiator flaring of the SD45s, the yellow number couldn't be applied there as on the
other six axle units.
With the arrival of the C-628s, a yellow number appeared above the radiator. This continued on the U30Cs, U23Bs and U33Cs.
The Railroad Roman number started appearing on the side of all engines, under the "Delaware & Hudson" by 3/71. Eventually, they were changed to the Gothic type.?
The large number on the sides of the lightning striped units was generally a "patch job". This stared by 5/81.
These dates are from pictures I have found from sources published and unpublished. They are as accurate as I am able to discern.
I hope this helps.
Ed
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 09:07:24 PM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:
Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers added, and
was there a plan to which loco received which lettering? Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?
Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side numbers?
Bruce
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Ed Cox
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Re: The Lightning Stripe Scheme
Thanks, ED and Jeff. There seems to be as many schemes as there were locomotives, one reason why I like the D&H. I have a bunch of RS-3s in at least 8 differing schemes, and none are any of the rent-a-wrecks. Then there are the U23Bs, GPs, and the RS-11/36s... Bruce ----------------------------------------- From: "Ed Cox via groups.io" To: " [email protected]" Cc: Sent: Monday May 27 2024 8:14:56AM Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] The Lightning Stripe Scheme
Good morning Bruce,
As Jeff stated, there was also a
period where a side number appeared on the side of the running
boards on some lightning striped engines. This was limited to the
RS-11s, RS-36s and the SD45s. Starting by 2/68, Gothic numbers
started showing up on most of these units. It was about centered on
the RS units above the fuel tank and above the front axle of the
rear truck on the SD45s. Because of the radiator flaring of the
SD45s, the yellow number couldn't be applied there as on the other
six axle units.
With the arrival of the C-628s,
a yellow number appeared above the radiator. This continued on the
U30Cs, U23Bs and U33Cs.
The Railroad Roman number
started appearing on the side of all engines, under the "Delaware &
Hudson" by 3/71. Eventually, they were changed to the Gothic
type.?
The large number on the sides of
the lightning striped units was generally a "patch job". This
stared by 5/81.
These dates are from pictures I
have found from sources published and unpublished. They are as
accurate as I am able to discern.
I hope this helps.
Ed
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 09:07:24 PM EDT, Bruce and Dana
Archer <bad@...> wrote:
Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I
noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side
numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two
styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers
added, and was there a plan to which loco received which lettering?
Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near
the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?
Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side
numbers?
Bruce
--
Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s
6/6/80 OEN2, power 7314-7324-CR GP38-2 8235-D&H 409-756-760, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 7:00 AM, 45" initial terminal delay, cut 756-760 @ LS, marked off Hudson 7:25 PM, on duty 12:25, paid $157.33 for 180 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor.
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Re: The Lightning Stripe Scheme
Good morning Bruce,
As Jeff stated, there was also a period where a side number appeared on the side of the running boards on some lightning striped engines. This was limited to the RS-11s, RS-36s and the SD45s. Starting by 2/68, Gothic numbers started showing up on most of these units. It was about centered on the RS units above the fuel tank and above the front axle of the rear truck on the SD45s. Because of the radiator flaring of the SD45s, the yellow number couldn't be applied there as on the other six axle units.
With the arrival of the C-628s, a yellow number appeared above the radiator. This continued on the U30Cs, U23Bs and U33Cs.
The Railroad Roman number started appearing on the side of all engines, under the "Delaware & Hudson" by 3/71. Eventually, they were changed to the Gothic type.?
The large number on the sides of the lightning striped units was generally a "patch job". This stared by 5/81.
These dates are from pictures I have found from sources published and unpublished. They are as accurate as I am able to discern.
I hope this helps.
Ed
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 09:07:24 PM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:
Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers added, and was there a plan to which loco received which lettering? Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?
Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side numbers?
Bruce
-- Ed Cox
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Re: The Lightning Stripe Scheme
And don't forget the small blue numbers applied to the sideframes of most, if not all, of the 5000's in the late 1960's.?? Jeff Martin ----------------------------------------- From: "Bruce and Dana Archer" To: " [email protected]" Cc: Sent: Sunday May 26 2024 9:07:24PM Subject: [DandH-Railroad] The Lightning Stripe Scheme
Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I
noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side
numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two
styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers
added, and was there a plan to which loco received which lettering?
Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near
the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?
Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side
numbers?
Bruce
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The Lightning Stripe Scheme
Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers added, and was there a plan to which loco received which lettering? Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?
Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side numbers?
Bruce
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1970s
5/10/71 RW6, power 704-761-762, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 1:30 AM, marked off Oneonta 6:30 AM, on duty 5:00, paid $39.78 for 130 miles, Stan Chapman engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1969
4/18/69 Rouse Point hostler, hostler rate, marked on Rouses Point 4:00 PM, marked off Rouses Point 11:59 PM, on duty 7:59, paid $28.55 for 100 miles.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1962
5/13/62 WR7, power 4123-4127-4092, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 4:00 PM, marked off Rouses Point 10:20 PM, on duty 6:20, paid $23.83 for 115 miles, J.E. Graziano engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande
10/12/61 Chama hostler, hostler rate, marked on Chama 8:00 AM, marked off Chama 4:00 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.64 for 100 miles, Cooper hostler, with H.D. Gibbs.
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WTB: Oriental HO C-628 standard version D&H paint.
Not interested in the "Low Nose" version.
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Ed Cox