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Re: CP 3005 (ex E&N)
Does the unit have the Beaver with Canadian Pacific spelled out the way the
others do? Or is there no beaver and the Canadian Pacific is put on one line in the yellow stripe of the unit? Also is the CP on the yellow nose and what is on the back, also what color is the back of the unit yellow or green? I presume the new lettering is white if not what color? Tia, Tom. Tom & Sheri Morgan Scranton PA D&H, CP, CAR, MILW,StL&H, SOO The Beaver covers 2 nations |
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BNSF 4920
Christian Base
Looks like BNSF 4920 has headed back to the US...
BNSF 004920 ,DETROIT ,MI,03/06,03:25,E,L,051105, Departure in Transit CB ===== ________________________________________________________________________ Christian Base Richmond Hill ON Canada MP 18.7, CN Bala Sub Owner: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. |
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UP in BC
Jim Johnston
Hi Doug:
Thanks for the clarification on how that UP power slipped by me. After Bill Miller's heads up message I checked and saw they were west of Kamloops. Then by Sat. morning they were already back in Golden. I suspect that 6007 with the tie gons you saw was actually the Ashcroft wayfreight returning to Kamloops. I think those VKA, VKB, VKH names you hear on the line-ups are the yard jobs that go west of Kamloops to service the pulp mill at Benledi. Thanks; Jim Johnston Salmon Arm B.C. |
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Re: Other road at Lambton?
Paul;
A couple of years ago, when CN was complaining about the hassle of sending a job all the way to leaside to transfer cars to and from CP at Leaside, CN managed to contract the switching for their long haul customer (ADM), at Streetsville. They had no access to ADM. They insisted that CP allow them to bring the transfer to West Toronto, and continue along another 15 miles on CP trackage in order to switch ADM. (The atmosphere was adversary, to say the least, since at the same time, they had marshalled their connections and their prices to succesfully force CP out of the Ford Oakville business for a length of contract term, that would make impossible, the CP's ability to maintain the infrastructure needed to be a viable contract option for Ford at the next negotiation.) CP said no-way. CN then raised legal issues regards the CP Wye at West Toronto involving crossing the CN Georgetown route. The timing was good enough for CP's work permits to lapse, and that is why the wye off of the Mactier sub took an extra year to complete. Obviously CP, being held hostage by Telliers plan, had to give in ,to most of his demands, and today the CN job does its work at Lambton, CP switches ADM, switches the couple of places in back of Leaside that were CN's. The wye was absolutely essential to CP traffic so they tell me. It so happens, that I have read your e-mail on a day that I am preparing a dissenting letter to my International Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers for their statement of support for the CN/BNSF merger. So if you detect some negativity aimed at CN, you got it! Mr. Tellier has now conned my own brotherhood by guaranteeing the safety of jobs in the CN- bnsf (when in fact those jobs were never in jeopardy) but none to any other brother in another property who loses his job as a result of the merger. Wish me luck! Paul Bellis |
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joe toole
Go to CP leaside around 3 or 4 pm on a friday. Usually the local
switching Lever Bros. on the Don will show up. Talk to the crew as they are usually parked to confirm their run and then you're off to the bayview bridge for a good shot. If they don't show, try sat. Either way you get good trainwatching at leaside. |
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Re: FROM MY RECORDS-TRIP FROM MONCTON, N.B. TO CANADIAN
Greg Williams
Message: 15
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:05:09 -0800Thank you Mr. Scott. I am living near Florenceville NB, which would have been part of the North Line (Woodstock Branch) which is now abandoned and has become a ski doo trail. Many of the original bridges still exist and a group in Bristol, NB have preserved some passenger equipment. I have been planning a layout based on this area. I lived for 16 years in Saint John, NB and passed by the old Lancaster Yard everyday on the way to work. This line to Maine is now owned by NB Southern. Your information will be invaluable to me as I build my motive power roster. I have recently taken pictures of the existing Aroostook NB CPR station which I will post on my website. Greg Williams www.trainweb.org/cprmodeling |
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Re: Something for B.C. guys to watch for .....
Doug Campbell
Sorry this is a little late but I haven't been at the
computer till tonight... Took Friday off work to do some well deserved rail fanning. Checked out the Kamloops yard about 10:00 am and UP 8111 was 2nd unit behind CP 9675 on a coal loaded westbound. Photographed this train from the TCH viewpoint over Kamloops Lake approx 3 miles east of Savona. Train went into the hole to clear for what I think was the VKH. CP6007 (SD40-2) with tie gons and van from the Riverside tie treating plant east of Ashcroft. Instructions from RTC to the 9675 crew was to proceed to Semlin (mi 38.5 Thompson sub) and drop the 8111 with UP 9709 which was already waiting from a previous drop. Comments back to RTC were that the 8111 was only half a unit as it was not putting out all it's power. The two UP units were then picked up at 16:00 by 764 lead by CP9666. 764 was all BC Rail forest products, which I think is the regular consist makeup of this train. Semlin unfortunately is tough to get to as there is limited road access. I think you can get there from a road heading out east from Ashcroft but this may be a private road. You can see the siding from the TCH as you approach Cache Creek from the East. Unfortunately the view is about 5 miles away from the siding but it was intresting as 764 met, I think 409, at Semlin (409 holding the main while 764 pulled the power out of the back track). A 670 empty potash came in behind 764 after they lifted the UP power and to futher jam things up, an empty coal pulled up behind the 670 potash. Semlin siding is 9710' long and it looked as though the 670 had tucked right up behind 764, yet would still be over siding, and the empty coal had snugged up quite close behind the 670 on the main. 764 was cleared first to proceed to Walhachin to meet 401 powered by lone SD9043 9155. The meet was timed perfectly, or so we thought as RTC had to hold 401 at Walhachin because the 670 had to come through in order to get the coal into Semlin siding, and to let the 409 on its way west. 401 resumed west bound after the 670 had cleared the west siding switch Walhachin. It was really amazing to watch the 9155 get out of town easily given that it was the only unit on the train. Chris D. you would have loved the sound. Further note the 764 crew was complaining about their crippled UP power with 8111 only at half power and apparently the 9709 with a broken fuel gauge. To quote the crew, "Lets get these things back across the line before more goes wrong." Anyway it was great to see this semi-jam unfold and was one of the highlights of a very busy day off. Doug PS saw one of the new coal sets at Savona on Friday. LUSX 48-- reporting marks, looks like the Johnstown Aeroflow cars like the PROCOR sets. Very nice with the Turquoise green rotary ends. Built date looked like 02-99. --- Bill Miller <bmiller@...> wrote: UP Dash 9-44CW 9709 and SD90MAC 8111 are floating__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. |
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Stoney photos/video! CP line!
As for the comments on the cover of the RMRT brochure, uhmmm
interesting! Will have to take a look if I am ever up that way, any tips on hiking into the Stoney Creek Bridge? and how did you cross the canyon? I know the mountain is real close in the background! Somewhere's around there! maybe just around the corner! These photos look like they are taken down the hill a bit on the cover compared to those below! Take a look at these photos of stoney creek for a comparison! As for asking the rail expert good luck he is not really that up on the route in my view! However on the cover shot in the 99 issue there is a great view looking out of the lower Sprial tunnel looking back at the moutain, was of course a staged shot to match the orignal N. Morant Steam shot! To get this shot took a lot of cooperation from CP and take a look at the decal on the front, much enlarged! Someone commented to me that the VIA rail shot with the Budd Park car with steam and an elk standing there was a photoshop job; VIA rep at the ARM conference says no that was a real shot! Elk wandered in by train! As for the video of the RMRT trip it is meant as a promotional tool for tourists that will come and ride the trip once and likely not really care where they are along the line; if you want a good video of the route, check out the several companies with cab ride videos, links on my web page, and I have about 90% of the trip over much of the CP line Mission to Basque and Kamloops to Banff on CP plus CN connections from the Rocky Mountaineer winter trip! roughly 16 hours of tape if you are interested a stable camera mount in the front of the Gold Leaf dome window! Contact me off list price, 3 blank tapes and postage! Gordon Hall Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:26:19 -0800 From: "Doug Rhodes" <drhodes@...> Subject: Re: GCRC Moves Mountains Hello all I'm a great admirer of the Rocky Mountaineer and muchose enjoyed my trip on it. But the video they sell on board is something else for geographic continuity! Nothing outside quantum physics can explain how the train can change directions so frequently and appear at random in so many parts of BC while making its "eastbound" trip under the continuous narration! :-) (Well it IS a DREAM trip after all ... ) Doug Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:30:13 -0800 From: "Phil Mason" <pmason@...> Subject: GCRC Moves Mountains Recently, I picked up the Rocky Mountaineer 2000 tour catalogue. The cover features train 102 (eastbound Kamloops-Calgary tour train) crossing Stoney Creek bridge, as photogaphed from the northeast side. This is a familiar Nicolas Morant angle which I have scrambled up to and taken photos myself. This publicity shot features a snow covered peak where no such peak exists ! . Oh , the wonders of digital enhancement. All of a sudden, the Beaver Valley has acquired a new headwall. In the brochure, you are invited to visit on the web at ; www.rockymountaineer.com and the web page includes "train talk" where you can ask train questions of an expert. I plan to ask him the name of the magnificent peak in the background of the cover picture on the 2000 tour brochure. Phil Mason |
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Re: CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts
Trevor Sokolan
The c liner at ogden along with the H liner are privatly owned and are stored at Ogden. I spoke with a shop worker a few months ago and he told me that the owner of the 2 FM/CLC products occasionally makes use of space in the ogden shops to work on his "full scale models". He does not use CPR employees, but is his own backyard mechanic. The 2 ex BCR C Liner B units are apparenty stored somewhere in Calgary and may be cosmetically restored.
-Trevor Sokolan From: "Jeff Semper" <jsemper@...>______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at |
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OS: _CPRail_ Paint history passes in review
Interesting spotting at Ballantyne Jct(St Luc yard) at 1230p Sunday:
Backing into yard with string of intermodal cars were, from west to east 5553/solid red - 5649/STLH - 5675/multimark - 5655/flags. Trace done at 9p shows they arrived on 551 in early morning. (a real catch would have been the order 5675-5553-5655-5649!) ¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§¡§ Gerry Burridge - PO Box 152 - Pte.Claire-Dorval, Que. - H9R 4N9 - CANADA << Be brave. Stay calm. Wait for the signs >> mailto: burridge@... ============================================================= |
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Re: Other road at Lambton?
Joe Toole
Hey! It's funny you guys should be talking about that Bayview/Bloor
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bridge.......... I was just there on friday afternoon, and was thinking that it would be a spectacular spot for a panoramic shot! Unfortunately, after waiting around for a couple of hours, I was stood up. The rails are polished from use, so there's got to be something going by fairly regularly, but when, and what, I don't know. I would really appreciate an alert, or any other information of what can be seen, and at what time. Thanks in advance! Joe ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Base" <cbase@...> To: <C-P-R@...> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [C-P-R] Other road at Lambton? From: Christian Base <cbase@...>handling made attraffic from CN's former KO10 ( the Leaside Job) out of Mac Yard. TorontoLeaside. It is all now done at Lambton.Where does CN connect with Leaside? Is it via the connceting track down Brick works. |
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UP C40-8 status & Super-Carrot
Bill Miller
UP 009144 ,ST PAUL ,MN,02/29,08:24,C,L,057026, , ,
,Arrival at Destn. UP 009151 ,ST PAUL ,MN,03/04,16:40,C,L,065002, , , ,Arrival In Transit UP 009162 ,MOOSE JAW,SK,03/05,13:40,C,L,095104, , , ,Arrival In Transit UP 009215 ,ALYTH ,AB,03/05,00:28,M,L,097703, , , ,Arrival at Destn. BNSF 004920 ,LONDON ,ON,03/05,18:45,E,L,051105, , , ,Arrival In Transit |
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Don Scott "CPR Information" posts
Mike Salfi
I have compiled a "Word For Windows" document which identifies selected CPR
passenger train consists from the 1960's. This compilation is based on the information provided by Don Scott throug his excellent posts of CPR through the decades. This document is not a compilation of all of the Don Scott information, only the passenger consists of the 1960's. If anyone would like a copy of this document, contact me off list and I will send you the file. I would have liked to do this for the 1950's but unfortunately, Don's 1950's posts did not identify passenger consists by car name / number. Michael Salfi Kitchener, Ontario email: msalfi@... We are the navvies who work upon the railway, Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun, Laying down track and building the bridges, Bending our backs till the railroad is done. From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot |
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Re: Color of Lettering on CPR Passenger Cars
Terry Link
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From: "Mike Salfi" <msalfi@...> The C-D-S dry transfers define Gold and Imitation Gold lettering, with thedry transfers for the stainless steel cars. Further, the C-D-S instructionColor Guide ..." it looks like the lettering could be gold.Imitation gold is a pale yellowish-gold colour, which closely resembles gold, but is slightly brighter. Until recently, C-D-S imitation gold was basically yellow, which wasn't even close to what imitation gold really is, but many modellers accepted it. All current printings from C-D-S for imitation gold are correct, having been matched to actual paint chips. In the package, the sets looks gold until compared to an actual gold set, so care should be made in selecting the colour you want. I'm sure there are lots of the older 'yellow' stock out there in the shops. Terry Link TMR Distributing tmr@... |
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Re: CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts
Terry Link
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From: "Chris Davidson" <Trainman79@...> Gentlemen, it hasn't been there for a while now. I was through there aBelieve both C-Liner #4104 and former Squaw Creek H16-66 #7009 are currently sitting at the CPR Ogden shops in Calgary. Terry Link Bramalea, Ontario trlink@... |
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Re: CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts
Rainer Auer
Bruce, 4104 is the unit that you saw at High River. Said unit is/was in
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Calgary recently as reported and photographed by Luc Lanthier on his excursion West in January. Luc was kind enough to forward the shot, so if anyone wants it, let me know off list. I caught it in High River as well shortly after it was repainted, and it wears the same light grey as 1400. =============== Rainer Auer Morinville, AB =============== ----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Archer <b-larcher@...> To: <C-P-R@...> Sent: March 5, 2000 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [C-P-R] CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts From: "Bruce Archer" <b-larcher@...> |
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Re: CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts
Mike Salfi
What about 4065, or is it 4064? Is this C-Liner still at the museum of
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Science and Technology in Ottawa. This was one of only 2 to operate in Canada that had all 4 roof fans (I believe these were the 2 demonstrators, which CPR subsequently purchased. Michael Salfi Kitchener, Ontario email: msalfi@... We are the navvies who work upon the railway, Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun, Laying down track and building the bridges, Bending our backs till the railroad is done. From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Archer [mailto:b-larcher@...] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 6:04 PM To: C-P-R@... Subject: Re: [C-P-R] CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts From: "Bruce Archer" <b-larcher@...> I saw a "C" liner in High River, Alberta a couple of years ago. It was in the museum there. Bruce Archer |
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Re: CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts
Bruce Archer
I saw a "C" liner in High River, Alberta a couple of years ago. It was in
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the museum there. Bruce Archer ----- Original Message -----
From: <taprice@...> To: <C-P-R@...> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 5:23 PM Subject: [C-P-R] CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts From: taprice@... |
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