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Re: Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

Donald Scott
 

Hi Mike:
Rob is very interested in Cp and all the back Canadian Pacific info, that I have
saved. Yes, I might say I regret keeping records of the passenger consists.
CPR's "Glen' series bedroom sleepers were pretty nice. With the "Royal Canadian
Pacific" coning starting in May, it will show the travelling public the "Plush &
Glory " of Canadian Pacific. This new luxury service; I can see will grow and
grow-not like "Macdonald's" service on the major Airlines of today.

Cheers-
Don Scott
"Canadian Pacific-Spanning The World Since The 1880's".


Mike Salfi wrote:

From: "Mike Salfi" <msalfi@...>

I guess I have to apologize as well. I saw Rob's name but didn't to check
to see where the message came from and sent the file to the list

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert W. Godby [mailto:rgodby@...]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:22 PM
To: 'C-P-R@...'
Subject: RE: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

From: "Robert W. Godby" <rgodby@...>

Apologies to the list- I hit the reply button and forgot to edit the
address.

-rob godby

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert W. Godby
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 6:11 PM
To: 'C-P-R@...'
Subject: RE: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

From: "Robert W. Godby" <rgodby@...>

Mike:

I would be really interested in a copy of this file. Thanks for the
offer!

-rob godby
Laramie, WY.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Salfi [SMTP:msalfi@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 5:03 PM
To: C-P-R@...
Subject: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

From: "Mike Salfi" <msalfi@...>

I have compiled a "Word For Windows" document which
identifies
selected CPR
passenger train consists from the 1960's. This compilation
is based
on the
information provided by Don Scott throug his excellent posts
of CPR
through
the decades.

This document is not a compilation of all of the Don Scott
information, only
the passenger consists of the 1960's.

If anyone would like a copy of this document, contact me off
list
and I will
send you the file.

I would have liked to do this for the 1950's but
unfortunately,
Don's 1950's
posts did not identify passenger consists by car name /
number.

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot

C-P-R "Canadian Pacific Railway"

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Re: Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

Mike Salfi
 

I guess I have to apologize as well. I saw Rob's name but didn't to check
to see where the message came from and sent the file to the list

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert W. Godby [mailto:rgodby@...]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:22 PM
To: 'C-P-R@...'
Subject: RE: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts


From: "Robert W. Godby" <rgodby@...>

Apologies to the list- I hit the reply button and forgot to edit the
address.

-rob godby

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert W. Godby
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 6:11 PM
To: 'C-P-R@...'
Subject: RE: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

From: "Robert W. Godby" <rgodby@...>

Mike:

I would be really interested in a copy of this file. Thanks for the
offer!

-rob godby
Laramie, WY.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Salfi [SMTP:msalfi@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 5:03 PM
To: C-P-R@...
Subject: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

From: "Mike Salfi" <msalfi@...>

I have compiled a "Word For Windows" document which
identifies
selected CPR
passenger train consists from the 1960's. This compilation
is based
on the
information provided by Don Scott throug his excellent posts
of CPR
through
the decades.

This document is not a compilation of all of the Don Scott
information, only
the passenger consists of the 1960's.

If anyone would like a copy of this document, contact me off
list
and I will
send you the file.

I would have liked to do this for the 1950's but
unfortunately,
Don's 1950's
posts did not identify passenger consists by car name /
number.

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot


C-P-R "Canadian Pacific Railway"


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Re: Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

Mike Salfi
 

here you go, As I mentioned, it is a "Word 2000" document, let me know if
you can't open it as I can save it as an older version of Word.

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert W. Godby [mailto:rgodby@...]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:11 PM
To: 'C-P-R@...'
Subject: RE: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts


From: "Robert W. Godby" <rgodby@...>

Mike:

I would be really interested in a copy of this file. Thanks for the offer!

-rob godby
Laramie, WY.


Re: Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

 

Apologies to the list- I hit the reply button and forgot to edit the
address.

-rob godby

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert W. Godby
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 6:11 PM
To: 'C-P-R@...'
Subject: RE: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

From: "Robert W. Godby" <rgodby@...>

Mike:

I would be really interested in a copy of this file. Thanks for the
offer!

-rob godby
Laramie, WY.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Salfi [SMTP:msalfi@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 5:03 PM
To: C-P-R@...
Subject: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

From: "Mike Salfi" <msalfi@...>

I have compiled a "Word For Windows" document which
identifies
selected CPR
passenger train consists from the 1960's. This compilation
is based
on the
information provided by Don Scott throug his excellent posts
of CPR
through
the decades.

This document is not a compilation of all of the Don Scott
information, only
the passenger consists of the 1960's.

If anyone would like a copy of this document, contact me off
list
and I will
send you the file.

I would have liked to do this for the 1950's but
unfortunately,
Don's 1950's
posts did not identify passenger consists by car name /
number.

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot


C-P-R "Canadian Pacific Railway"


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UNION PACIFIC UNIT AT PORT COQUITLAM ,B.C. DIESEL SHOP-LINEUP-B#69

Donald Scott
 

Canadian Pacific-Port Coquitlam(Vancouver area)B.C. Locomotive Line-Up

Just had a phone call("as usual") from Mark Forseille who was at the
diesel shop this afternoon-Union Pacific SD90-MAC 8000 arrived sometime
yesterday March 5 from East. Still here coupled to GE AC4400CW 8555.
Remarks on UP 8000-'pretty dirty'. No SOO power in at present time.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C
"Canadian Pacific-Spanning The World" Since The 1880's.


Re: Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

 

Mike:

I would be really interested in a copy of this file. Thanks for the offer!

-rob godby
Laramie, WY.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Salfi [SMTP:msalfi@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 5:03 PM
To: C-P-R@...
Subject: [C-P-R] Don Scott "CPR Information" posts

From: "Mike Salfi" <msalfi@...>

I have compiled a "Word For Windows" document which identifies
selected CPR
passenger train consists from the 1960's. This compilation is based
on the
information provided by Don Scott throug his excellent posts of CPR
through
the decades.

This document is not a compilation of all of the Don Scott
information, only
the passenger consists of the 1960's.

If anyone would like a copy of this document, contact me off list
and I will
send you the file.

I would have liked to do this for the 1950's but unfortunately,
Don's 1950's
posts did not identify passenger consists by car name / number.

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot


C-P-R "Canadian Pacific Railway"


Re: UP test units

 

Remember that horsepower is not relevant when rail adhesion really is.
In a consist, the weakest link defines the rest!
Hope You understand
Paul Bellis


Re: The true meaning of class lights .......

 

Guess I'll strive for the Christmas tree look next year! he he
Oh!.. CP9114 went past me tonight at the scale track...uhm...can't remember
who or what train, lots of conversation going on when we have a trainee!
Paul


Re: CP 8606

Terry Link
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Miller" <bmiller@...>
Camn anyone shed any light on this ?

What I am wondering is; what happened to CP
8606 as it disappeared long before the end in 1975.
This unit was the ONLY one of 8601-10 bunch to get the
SCRIPT paint scheme in early 1969.
Scrapped - Ogden July 11, 1972.

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
trlink@...


CP 8606

Bill Miller
 

Camn anyone shed any light on this ?



Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:19:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Fairbanks Morse <cdnlococo@...>
Subject: CP 8606.
To: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>


What I am wondering is; what happened to CP
8606 as it disappeared long before the end in 1975.
This unit was the ONLY one of 8601-10 bunch to get the
SCRIPT paint scheme in early 1969.
Bill


UP C40-8 status

Bill Miller
 

EQUIPMENT ,LOCATION ,PR, , , ,L,TRAIN&#92;,DESTINATN,PR,FLAT CAR ,
INITNUMBER ,CITY ,ST,MM/DD,HH:MM,Z,E,JUNCT ,CITY
,ST,INITNUMBER,STATUS
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
UP 009144 ,ST PAUL ,MN,02/29,08:24,C,L,057026, , ,
,Arrival at Destn.
UP 009151 ,ST PAUL ,MN,03/04,16:40,C,L,065002, , ,
,Arrival In Transit
UP 009162 ,MOOSE JAW,SK,03/05,13:40,C,L,095104, , ,
,Arrival In Transit
UP 009215 ,ALYTH ,AB,03/05,00:28,M,L,097703, , ,
,Arrival at Destn.
BNSF 004920 ,DETROIT ,MI,03/06,03:25,E,L,051105, , ,
,Departure in Transit

Bill


Re: fuel costs and mileage

Thomas Sajnovic
 

Hey Dave

Wayne still has his table on his site at the following address.

Thanks Wayne!

Thomas Sajnovic


From: "David Despot" <ddespot@...>
Reply-To: C-P-R@...
To: <C-P-R@...>
Subject: [C-P-R] fuel costs and mileage
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:46:40 -0600

From: "David Despot" <ddespot@...>

Does anybody have figures on the range per tank of fuel of some of the
diesels currently used on CP? How about an SD40-2 as compared to an AC4400
and an SD90MAC? It would be interesting to know the cost per mile in
operating these units considering the cost of fuel today.
Thanks for any figures anybody can supply.

David.
mailto:ddespot@...
ICQ# 58586990


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Re: CP 3005 (ex E&N)

Kicking Horse
 

For anyone who hasn't seen an E&N Railfreight engine, you can view 3005 (taken
last summer) at



I would assume that E&N Railfreight on the side has been replaced with Canadian
Pacific and the E N on the nose with C P.

KH

PBowers wrote:

From: PBowers <57era@...>

New green or just patched green? New Canadian Pacific lettering? Inquiring
minds want to know!!

pb

At 07:29 AM 3/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>

CP GP38AC 3005 out of Ogden overhaul has been relettered Canadian Pacific
but is still E&N green.


Bill


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Re: CP 3005 (ex E&N)

 

Does the unit have the Beaver with Canadian Pacific spelled out the way the
others do? Or is there no beaver and the Canadian Pacific is put on one line
in the yellow stripe of the unit? Also is the CP on the yellow nose and what
is on the back, also what color is the back of the unit yellow or green? I
presume the new lettering is white if not what color? Tia, Tom.

Tom & Sheri Morgan
Scranton PA

D&H, CP, CAR, MILW,StL&H, SOO
The Beaver covers 2 nations


BNSF 4920

Christian Base
 

Looks like BNSF 4920 has headed back to the US...

BNSF 004920 ,DETROIT ,MI,03/06,03:25,E,L,051105, Departure in Transit

CB

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UP in BC

Jim Johnston
 

Hi Doug:

Thanks for the clarification on how that UP power slipped by me. After Bill Miller's heads up message I checked and saw they were west of Kamloops. Then by Sat. morning they were already back in Golden.

I suspect that 6007 with the tie gons you saw was actually the Ashcroft wayfreight returning to Kamloops. I think those VKA, VKB, VKH names you hear on the line-ups are the yard jobs that go west of Kamloops to service the pulp mill at Benledi.

Thanks;

Jim Johnston
Salmon Arm B.C.


Re: Other road at Lambton?

 

Paul;

A couple of years ago, when CN was complaining about the hassle of sending a
job all the way to leaside to transfer cars to and from CP at Leaside, CN
managed to contract the switching for their long haul customer (ADM), at
Streetsville. They had no access to ADM.
They insisted that CP allow them to bring the transfer to West Toronto, and
continue along another 15 miles on CP trackage in order to switch ADM.
(The atmosphere was adversary, to say the least, since at the same time, they
had marshalled their connections and their prices to succesfully force CP out
of the Ford Oakville business for a length of contract term, that would make
impossible, the CP's ability to maintain the infrastructure needed to be a
viable contract option for Ford at the next negotiation.)
CP said no-way. CN then raised legal issues regards the CP Wye at West
Toronto involving crossing the CN Georgetown route. The timing was good
enough for CP's work permits to lapse, and that is why the wye off of the
Mactier sub took an extra year to complete. Obviously CP, being held hostage
by Telliers plan, had to give in ,to most of his demands, and today the CN
job does its work at Lambton, CP switches ADM, switches the couple of places
in back of Leaside that were CN's.
The wye was absolutely essential to CP traffic so they tell me.
It so happens, that I have read your e-mail on a day that I am preparing a
dissenting letter to my International Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers for
their statement of support for the CN/BNSF merger. So if you detect some
negativity aimed at CN, you got it!
Mr. Tellier has now conned my own brotherhood by guaranteeing the safety of
jobs in the CN- bnsf (when in fact those jobs were never in jeopardy) but
none to any other brother in another property who loses his job as a result
of the merger. Wish me luck!

Paul Bellis


joe toole

 

Go to CP leaside around 3 or 4 pm on a friday. Usually the local
switching Lever Bros. on the Don will show up. Talk to the crew as
they are usually parked to confirm their run and then you're off to
the bayview bridge for a good shot. If they don't show, try sat.
Either way you get good trainwatching at leaside.


Re: FROM MY RECORDS-TRIP FROM MONCTON, N.B. TO CANADIAN

Greg Williams
 

Message: 15
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:05:09 -0800
From: Donald Scott <donald_scott@...>
Subject: FROM MY RECORDS-TRIP FROM MONCTON, N.B. TO CANADIAN
PACIFIC FACILITIES-CIRCA-FEBRUARY-1958 B-#67

Trip to Canadian Pacific Facilities at Saint John, and McAdam, New
Brunswick-February-1958. Part #2

Continued.
From Saint John, N.B to McAdam, N.B.
Thank you Mr. Scott. I am living near Florenceville NB, which would have
been part of the North Line (Woodstock Branch) which is now abandoned and
has become a ski doo trail. Many of the original bridges still exist and a
group in Bristol, NB have preserved some passenger equipment. I have been
planning a layout based on this area. I lived for 16 years in Saint John, NB
and passed by the old Lancaster Yard everyday on the way to work. This line
to Maine is now owned by NB Southern. Your information will be invaluable to
me as I build my motive power roster. I have recently taken pictures of the
existing Aroostook NB CPR station which I will post on my website.

Greg Williams

www.trainweb.org/cprmodeling


Re: Something for B.C. guys to watch for .....

Doug Campbell
 

Sorry this is a little late but I haven't been at the
computer till tonight...

Took Friday off work to do some well deserved rail
fanning. Checked out the Kamloops yard about 10:00 am
and UP 8111 was 2nd unit behind CP 9675 on a coal
loaded westbound. Photographed this train from the
TCH viewpoint over Kamloops Lake approx 3 miles east
of Savona. Train went into the hole to clear for what
I think was the VKH. CP6007 (SD40-2) with tie gons and
van from the Riverside tie treating plant east of
Ashcroft.
Instructions from RTC to the 9675 crew was to proceed
to Semlin (mi 38.5 Thompson sub) and drop the 8111
with UP 9709 which was already waiting from a previous
drop.
Comments back to RTC were that the 8111 was only half
a unit as it was not putting out all it's power.

The two UP units were then picked up at 16:00 by 764
lead by CP9666.

764 was all BC Rail forest products, which I think is
the regular consist makeup of this train.

Semlin unfortunately is tough to get to as there is
limited road access. I think you can get there from a
road heading out east from Ashcroft but this may be a
private road. You can see the siding from the TCH as
you approach Cache Creek from the East. Unfortunately
the view is about 5 miles away from the siding but it
was intresting as 764 met, I think 409, at Semlin (409
holding the main while 764 pulled the power out of the
back track). A 670 empty potash came in behind 764
after they lifted the UP power and to futher jam
things up, an empty coal pulled up behind the 670
potash.

Semlin siding is 9710' long and it looked as though
the 670 had tucked right up behind 764, yet would
still be over siding, and the empty coal had snugged
up quite close behind the 670 on the main.

764 was cleared first to proceed to Walhachin to meet
401 powered by lone SD9043 9155. The meet was timed
perfectly, or so we thought as RTC had to hold 401 at
Walhachin because the 670 had to come through in order
to get the coal into Semlin siding, and to let the 409
on its way west.

401 resumed west bound after the 670 had cleared the
west siding switch Walhachin.

It was really amazing to watch the 9155 get out of
town easily given that it was the only unit on the
train. Chris D. you would have loved the sound.

Further note the 764 crew was complaining about their
crippled UP power with 8111 only at half power and
apparently the 9709 with a broken fuel gauge. To
quote the crew, "Lets get these things back across the
line before more goes wrong."

Anyway it was great to see this semi-jam unfold and
was
one of the highlights of a very busy day off.

Doug

PS saw one of the new coal sets at Savona on Friday.
LUSX 48-- reporting marks, looks like the Johnstown
Aeroflow cars like the PROCOR sets. Very nice with
the Turquoise green rotary ends. Built date looked
like 02-99.


--- Bill Miller <bmiller@...> wrote:
UP Dash 9-44CW 9709 and SD90MAC 8111 are floating
around in B.C. currently,
not on the normal Kinsgate trains, but west of
Kamloops on the "mainline".



Bill

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