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Re: Not Showing Up on APRSICE but on APRS-FI

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

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There are LOTS of moving parts behind what shows up on your local map.?? For instance:

1) Do you have an APRS-IS port configured and Enabled??? If you double-click the upper left (or top center) APRS-IS OK (presuming it even says that) box, what do you see as your connected APRS-IS server??? It will look something like:

Port Status
APRS-IS Packets:
Sent: 1235 Recv: 15533414 Dupe: 2136

05-07 08:45:32 APRS-IS OK - I:103570 O:6
45.76.98.200:10152 <- This is what I'm looking for
/hr 327k 319k 325k 334k 320k 316k 311k 309k

t/p: 297k 287k 290k 295k 282k 277k 279k 280k /hr
t/o: 85.4k 77.3k 79.4k 85.0k 77.9k 72.2k 78.7k 81.5k /hr
t/i: 3776 3926 3830 3870 3822 3722 3893 3697 /hr
t/m: 26.5k 25.6k 28.8k 28.1k 27.0k 25.6k 24.1k 24.1k /hr
t/s: 22.5k 19.6k 19.9k 20.3k 18.2k 20.2k 20.2k 20.0k /hr
t/t: 40.9k 39.7k 39.9k 40.1k 40.1k 39.8k 39.7k 39.6k /hr
t/u: 198 389 618 192 191 187 190 191 /hr
t/n: 3603 3659 3878 3072 3041 3416 3826 3740 /hr
t/w: 50.7k 42.5k 43.0k 44.1k 43.9k 42.8k 42.7k 42.6k /hr
oth: 9805 9511 9504 9617 9636 9513 9463 9435 /hr

2) Do you have Enables / Internet Access checked

3) Have you set your "Me" location by zooming and clicking Transmit (or having an active GPS feed)

4) Do you have position beaconing enabled on your APRSIS32 instance (what is your APRSIS32 callsign-SSID?)??? If you don't beacon a position, the APRS-IS server won't know where you are and, by default, will likely not send you any packets whatsoever.

5) What do you have Configure / General / Range set to?

6) Do you have anything in your Configure / General / Add Filter box (you might want to try putting b/W4BJB* in there)

7) Are you seeing any stations at all on your map??? If so, are they near where you expect to see W4BJB*?

8) Are you seeing any packets going by in the packet scroller?? Make sure Configure / Scroller / Show All is checked.

And those are just the ones that come off the top of my head.? The default "out of the box" settings "just work" to a radius of 50 miles (500*1/10 mile), provided that you panned/zoomed and clicked Transmit to set your "Me" location.

I did find an APRSIS32 instance at W4BJB-1 that appears to have only been running for just over an hour.?? I sent it a ?APRSS and got back:

11:25:09> ?aprss 11:25:10< Ports[1/2] 05-09 09:56:11 APRS-IS OK 1250 84 /hr (*2-11:25:10) < Ports[2/2] 05-09 09:56:11 Weather Disabled (*2-11:25:10)
At least those numbers tell me that you're getting SOME packets back on the APRS-IS port!?? Provided that is even the map on the instance that you're looking at.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS.?? If you want, you can send your APRSIS32.XML configuration file to me at KJ4ERJ at arrl.net and I can run it here to see what I might figure out from your settings.

On 5/9/2024 11:00 AM, Brian Boulden wrote:
I checked this morning and “View All” is checked. However W4BJB and W4BJB/7 not showing but on APRS-FI. Strange?


Re: Not Showing Up on APRSICE but on APRS-FI

 

I checked this morning and “View All” is checked. However W4BJB and W4BJB/7 not showing but on APRS-FI. Strange?


Re: Not Showing Up on APRSICE but on APRS-FI

 

Yes I am 99% sure I do. Right now we have had some major thunderstorms and tornadoes go through my area so all radios and computers are shut down. I’ll double check to make sure in the morning?

thanks !!!


Re: Not Showing Up on APRSICE but on APRS-FI

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

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W4BJB13 (note the lack of a dash, any reason for that omission?) is on the CWOP network, not the APRS-IS network.?? You'll only get that in APRSIS32 if you add an additional port connected to a CWOP server, but be aware that CWOP doesn't support filters, so you'll be getting ALL of the CWOP stations if you configure that.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32





On 5/8/2024 6:38 PM, Brian Boulden wrote:

I got 3 APRS Devices that are showing up on APRS-FI but not on APRSISCE. ?I can’t figure out why?

They are: W4BJB (Icom 5100), W4BJB/7 (Anytone 878 UVIII++) and W4BJB13 (Tempest Weather Station). ?

Any clue?

Thanks in advance?
Brian?
W4BJB


Re: Not Showing Up on APRSICE but on APRS-FI

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

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Do you have View / All checked?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 5/8/2024 6:38 PM, Brian Boulden wrote:

I got 3 APRS Devices that are showing up on APRS-FI but not on APRSISCE. ?I can’t figure out why?

They are: W4BJB (Icom 5100), W4BJB/7 (Anytone 878 UVIII++) and W4BJB13 (Tempest Weather Station). ?

Any clue?

Thanks in advance?
Brian?
W4BJB


Not Showing Up on APRSICE but on APRS-FI

 

I got 3 APRS Devices that are showing up on APRS-FI but not on APRSISCE. ?I can’t figure out why?

They are: W4BJB (Icom 5100), W4BJB/7 (Anytone 878 UVIII++) and W4BJB13 (Tempest Weather Station). ?

Any clue?

Thanks in advance?
Brian?
W4BJB


Re: Documentation or help with setting up bpq32 and aprsis32 using same radio and computer soundcard

 

Hello

Thanks for the info, I do have kiss protocol available in bpq32 however not sure if that is just the mode or of I need a kiss tnc.
I have a digipeater igate configuration for bpq32 from my Elmer.?
What I'm trying to figure out is if I can add the entire aprsis32 app to my bpq32 machine and connect like that as an rf gate I gate.
Right now my config of bpq I think is just tcp.
Between the 2 programs I think there is a rfgate configuration. 145.390 1200baud?
Tnx
Mark K7OI?


Re: Documentation or help with setting up bpq32 and aprsis32 using same radio and computer soundcard

 

OK I have some BPQ32 config information was sent to me.

See I don't have knowledge if I need special equipment to run kiss as in a separate tnc or if I'm just running in kiss mode.

Yes bpq has the ability to run in kiss if I create a kiss port. Which I already have 4 kiss ports created for future development.

I'm going to continue to research and see if anyone has previous experience.?

73
Mark K7OI?

On Wed, May 1, 2024, 1:42 PM Don Poaps via <va7dgp=[email protected]> wrote:
It's been years since I ran BPQ. You need to modify your BPQ32.cfg file as John Wiseman has info about running APRS.?

73
Don Poaps
New Westminster, BC
VA7DGP DATA
VA7QU ? VOICE


Winlink:?va7dgp@...
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ALLSTAR ?530780
Hamshack Hotline
5971
Mid-Island Phone Mesh
2210
2232

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On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 12:46?PM Lynn Deffenbaugh via <kj4erj=[email protected]> wrote:

I'm not familiar with bpq32, but if it offers a KISS-over-TCP port, the connection would be trivial.? But before we dive into that, I'll see if anyone has actually made the connection already between bpq32 and APRSIS32.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 5/1/2024 2:16 PM, K7OI-Mark wrote:
Hello
I have an instance of bpq32 and winlink rms running on my computer with a radio and signalink. Been running very well for nearly 1year.
I have aprs running in bpq32 shows up as BBS.

I have aprsis32 that works on another computer on rf and igate. But no extra radio and signalink.
Would it be possible to add aprsis32 to my bpq32 running full time as rf/igate?


Re: Documentation or help with setting up bpq32 and aprsis32 using same radio and computer soundcard

 

It's been years since I ran BPQ. You need to modify your BPQ32.cfg file as John Wiseman has info about running APRS.?

73
Don Poaps
New Westminster, BC
VA7DGP DATA
VA7QU ? VOICE


Winlink:?va7dgp@...
Subject://wl2k ? ? ? ? ?

ALLSTAR ?530780
Hamshack Hotline
5971
Mid-Island Phone Mesh
2210
2232

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 12:46?PM Lynn Deffenbaugh via <kj4erj=[email protected]> wrote:

I'm not familiar with bpq32, but if it offers a KISS-over-TCP port, the connection would be trivial.? But before we dive into that, I'll see if anyone has actually made the connection already between bpq32 and APRSIS32.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 5/1/2024 2:16 PM, K7OI-Mark wrote:
Hello
I have an instance of bpq32 and winlink rms running on my computer with a radio and signalink. Been running very well for nearly 1year.
I have aprs running in bpq32 shows up as BBS.

I have aprsis32 that works on another computer on rf and igate. But no extra radio and signalink.
Would it be possible to add aprsis32 to my bpq32 running full time as rf/igate?


Re: Documentation or help with setting up bpq32 and aprsis32 using same radio and computer soundcard

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

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I'm not familiar with bpq32, but if it offers a KISS-over-TCP port, the connection would be trivial.? But before we dive into that, I'll see if anyone has actually made the connection already between bpq32 and APRSIS32.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 5/1/2024 2:16 PM, K7OI-Mark wrote:

Hello
I have an instance of bpq32 and winlink rms running on my computer with a radio and signalink. Been running very well for nearly 1year.
I have aprs running in bpq32 shows up as BBS.

I have aprsis32 that works on another computer on rf and igate. But no extra radio and signalink.
Would it be possible to add aprsis32 to my bpq32 running full time as rf/igate?


Documentation or help with setting up bpq32 and aprsis32 using same radio and computer soundcard

 

Hello
I have an instance of bpq32 and winlink rms running on my computer with a radio and signalink. Been running very well for nearly 1year.
I have aprs running in bpq32 shows up as BBS.

I have aprsis32 that works on another computer on rf and igate. But no extra radio and signalink.
Would it be possible to add aprsis32 to my bpq32 running full time as rf/igate?


Re: APRS iGate stopped working!

 

Keep in mind that the quoted values are "when a packet signal is present", not just open squelch noise.
Also, a high RXAMP is as bad or worse than a low on.

I have tried 2 methods for setting RX amp:
1. Using a second radio to transmit packets (close by), I will set RXAMP when the MONITOR values are between 75 and 90.
? ? This is because of how strong the signal is.
2. When using a Data Jack, I use a soundcard TNC (like Direwolf) to a potentiometer and feed the TT4 a signal (Vpp) matching the port specification.
? ?In my Yaesu radios, that is 300 mVpp fro 1200baud and 500 mVpp fro the 9600 baud pin.
? ?Using that signal, I set the RXAMP for a monitor value of 75 - 80.
These methods have worked well for me.
-------
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


Re: APRS iGate stopped working!

 

Wooo Hooo!? It's now seemingly working as it has been.? I had my receive amp on the Tiny Traker 4 at 47.? Sure I hadn't changed anything but it wasn't receiving what it should have been so I turned it up more.? Same results.? I re-read the manual and it said signals should monitor at between 50 and 80 I think it was.? So I tweaked it to about 65 and now it works.? I think it was too high and the signals were distorting resulting in partial and sparadic captures that you documented so kindly.? Because of my station disorganization I would have sworn it was cable or connection.? Glad this is what it was.? Was starting to think maybe the radio was fried.? Thanks again so much for your time.? Hope someone else that stumbles upon this thread will also get some help out of it.? 73!? I attached a screen print to show it is now working and my mobile is being iGated through my base station at home.? I will assume the times are either correct or have no bearing on the correct processing of the packets into APRS.FI and such.


Re: APRSIS32 Time?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

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The Time in the upper left corner is actually the Transmit Pressure.?? You can read about it at:

The thin colored bars at the bottom of that pane are also documented that that wiki page.

And yes, the trace logs are UTC time, hence the T separator although technically I should also have a Z or Z+00:00 but that seemed a bit verbose.? ()?? The "TOO LONG" indicates that additional data was received from the TCP/IP stack beyond the # logresp packet, which is likely normal depending on the speed of your PC and the Internet connection.? It's part of the wonders of CR/LF delimited packets being parsed from a TCP/IP streaming socket.

In fact, this is a frequent newb TCP/IP programming misteak (sic) where they "assume" (with all the connotations of that word) that a single read will only and always get a single packet (line of text, in the case of the APRS-IS) from a socket.?? In local testing with fast loopback or Ethernet connections, it seems to work, the read always returns just the data that was written in a single write.? But when deployed to the field with the vagaries of actual Internet connections and traffic routing, a single read may have a partial packet, a full packet (which is all they expected), a full packet plus part of the next packet, or even multiple packets possibly ending with a partial packet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 4/30/2024 9:29 AM, AB9NN - Jon Kreski wrote:

See the screen print.? Can anyone tell me where the time in the upper left-hand corner comes from?? It appears to be counting down.? Is that the time to the next beacon transmission?

How about the time from one of my logs from this entry:
Port(APRS-IS):2024-04-30T11:52:19.541 TOO LONG:# logresp AB9NN-48 verified, server T2POLNW

The time seems to be 11:52:19 -? is that UTC time?? I was nowhere near my PC at that time Eastern time.

Thanks!


Re: APRSIS32 Time?

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 09:29 AM, AB9NN - Jon Kreski wrote:
See the screen print.? Can anyone tell me where the time in the upper left-hand corner comes from?? It appears to be counting down.? Is that the time to the next beacon transmission?
Yes, the upper left corner shows the time until your next beacon.

Lynn was answering the other portion, but I didn't see a response to that part of your post.

-------
Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


Re: APRSIS32 Time?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

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Ok, I just double-checked the source and the timestamp in the ?APRSS response is actually the timestamp that the port entered the current state.?? I now remember doing this so that you can see if your RF or -IS port is going through state transitions.?? So the following lines

04-30 07:52:19 APRS-IS OK 497 493 480 65 /hr
04-30 07:52:19 FT857d OK 192 59 189 32 /hr

mean that those ports became "OK" at that (localtime) timestamp.?? My apologies for crying wolf when there was no need.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 4/30/2024 10:46 AM, Lynn Deffenbaugh wrote:

Send yourself a ?aprss and see what time is shown in that response.?? I just did it and it shows 04-30 07:52:19 and my local time is 10:45:xx, so not even the minutes is correct.?? Unless, of course, the timestamp in the ?aprss response isn't actually the current time.? I didn't think of that until just now.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 4/30/2024 9:31 AM, AB9NN - Jon Kreski wrote:
The times do not seem to match my PC system clock time which is accurate from a utility which keeps it synced to an accurate time source.


Re: APRSIS32 Time?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

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Send yourself a ?aprss and see what time is shown in that response.?? I just did it and it shows 04-30 07:52:19 and my local time is 10:45:xx, so not even the minutes is correct.?? Unless, of course, the timestamp in the ?aprss response isn't actually the current time.? I didn't think of that until just now.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 4/30/2024 9:31 AM, AB9NN - Jon Kreski wrote:

The times do not seem to match my PC system clock time which is accurate from a utility which keeps it synced to an accurate time source.


Re: APRSIS32 Time?

 

The times do not seem to match my PC system clock time which is accurate from a utility which keeps it synced to an accurate time source.


APRSIS32 Time?

 

See the screen print.? Can anyone tell me where the time in the upper left-hand corner comes from?? It appears to be counting down.? Is that the time to the next beacon transmission?

How about the time from one of my logs from this entry:
Port(APRS-IS):2024-04-30T11:52:19.541 TOO LONG:# logresp AB9NN-48 verified, server T2POLNW

The time seems to be 11:52:19 -? is that UTC time?? I was nowhere near my PC at that time Eastern time.

Thanks!


Re: APRS iGate stopped working!

 

Yep, you are correct,?only TX pot. I was working from memory. And your procedure is much the same as mine.

Ben Miller, PE retired
KD9BBB
708-431-7875


On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 11:03?PM Rob Giuliano via <kb8rco=[email protected]> wrote:
Radio volume is for Rx.? The TT4 pot is for TX.

The RXAMP and Volume Control do the same thing - but it is ALWAYS better to find a fixed output from the radio.? Many radios (well dual bands anyway) have a Data Jack with fixed audio.? Some radios have fixed audio on the mic jack.? Unfortunately, it should slike yours has neither.

Jon,
I suggest finding a volume control setting that is easy to get close, and typically low output is better.? On my Yaesu 2m with no data jack or mic audio, I set the volume to about 90 degrees (or just less than 1/4 volume), then adjusted RXAMP according to the instructions.? That worked well for me. Being a little off on the lower setting (1/4 volume) seems to be a bit more forgiving.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 11:22:22 PM EDT, Ben Miller <bmilleng@...> wrote:


On the receive?level, the TinyTrak pot and the radio volume do the? same thing. I generally fix one at a typical level, and then just use the other one to fine tune. Otherwise, they interact and you will be constantly chasing the level. Transmit is only the TinyTrak pot so it is easier.

Ben Miller, PE retired
KD9BBB
708-431-7875


On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 6:58?PM AB9NN - Jon Kreski via <jkreski=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks so much for the detailed analysis.? Not sure what to think about the time setting.? Time on the PC seems right.? I recall I have a utillity to keep it set via atomic clock.? Not sure of the name of the utility or if it's still running.? I checked the Receive Amp setting on the TT4.? I had it tuned and it was working well but when I monitored the line with TeraTerm Pro I got 1's.? Something closer to 100 is a normal signal.? I reset the amp to a higher level.? That may have been the problem.? I will know in the morning when I go and get the mail and check my APRS track on .? Setting the amp levels on the TinyTrak4 are a bit wonky as with my radio the volume setting of the radio plays a part in it.? The volume may have also been bumped over some time period.? I will let you know if this corrected the problem but for now it looks like it was at least not set correctly...? sigh...