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I want to get a simple preliminary layout in place (will later be upgrading quality of buildings/scenery over time.) Has anyone experience with OUTLAND MODELS? I was about to order a few buildings, vehicles, etc. but noticed they make the items from order and shop is in Chine. I had thought it was a US based company. Amazing prices but quite long delivery time and prefer to but from US based seller in event of a problem needing return. Hope they are reliable & legit but also hope there is a history amongst members of this forum. Let me know, Thanks, DH

HELLO, HELP APPRECIATED for finding some Foam Color we are adding to a mix for Custom Trees I am making for a Layout Timberline Scenery’s LODGEPOLE GREEN GROUND FOAM COLOR or FLOCKING COLOR We are searching to purchase a few Bags of FOAM / FLOCKING or TREE KITS containing the foam, of the now out of business manufacturer TIMBERLINE SCENERY having the foam or flocking color of LODGEPOLE GREEN. Some of Their Products having the LodgePole Green Foams: 60111FF Bag of Flocking/Ground Cover TK112425 2”-4” Trees TK114615 4”-6” Trees TK1114615F 4”-6” Trees with Fine Flocking Note one bag the spelled it ( LODGPOLE GREEN) I WILL PAY REASONABLE PRICES AND ALL SHIPPING. Please Contact Peter Davidson at the Email address pddavidsonATaolDOTcom In the Email Subject Line Please use LODGEPOLE GREEN Thank you, PETER DAVIDSON

The directional switch on my Rokuhan RC03 recently locked up and would not move. I opened up the case and found the switch had come apart. I will need to unsolder it from the PC board and install a new one. Has anyone else had this problem? Tom K. -- Tom K.

Hello, very new to this so: I have an MRC 1300 controller and Rohukan track with "concrete" roadbed. Some sections of the track seem to have a place to remove a bit of the plastic roadbed and effect a connection to the controller. (I have NOT taken any track out of the packaging yet). I am thinking I need something other than the bare ends of the wires to do this. Please, anyone specfically familiar with the Rohukan track system let me know what and where to buy the needed items. I hope I don't have to order from Japan which is where all the track came from. The packages that show this feature to hook leads up to are" R028 (Oval Set A-the 110mm straight sections have the power feed points on them) R001 (Straight Track 110mm) Thank you so much. DH

Just rec'd a MRC1300 for my yet to be assembled Z trains (MARKLIN) Wanted to test output. Got 19.6vAC for accessories terminals. The DC output is a constant 15.6vDC, not affected by dial position. Is this a wrong test? Does the controller need to be connected to track/engine to get accurate results? Did I buy a defective unit on ebay? Only the shadow knows,...or one of you out there. Help me out please.

Be Part Of The Next Layout Tour (So. Calif.) [Please do not hit “Reply”. Contact me directly.] Model Railroads of Southern California’s next layout tour will be Saturday, February 15. The tour area will be Burbank and the surround cities. Railroads in any scale plus garden railroads are welcome to participate. I would like you to consider participating in the tour. Participating in a layout tour is a great way to share your work and meet your fellow model railroaders. You’ve probably worked hard on your railroad so you might as well get some recognition from people who will appreciate your efforts. All you need to do is operate your trains. I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for sixty-four previously tours since 2006, including tours for the NMRA national convention (Anaheim), the National Narrow Gauge Convention (Pasadena), the Southern Pacific Historical & Technical Society, the Santa Fe Historical & Modeling Society and several PCR and PSR regional conventions. The tour is self-guided (No busses) and free. If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please ask. In any event, please contact me directly in the next several weeks if you are interested so we can add your railroad to the tour. Once you have been added to the tour, I will contact you to establish the hours that work best for you. Thank you. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads of Southern California https://www.facebook.com/groups/150347595443 chiefbobbb@... [chiefbobbb At verizon DOT net]

Folks, I would like to model an intermodal port scene. Need some Z scale container ships. I have plenty of containers, stack cars, etc. I got a very nice email from a lady who had some, but I've lost the email. Any suggestions are welcome. Malcolm Cleaveland MCZ Models

Folks, Shapeways has gone bankrupt. This was a center of 3D printing in many scales, including Z (you probably already knew that, but just in case). Some of the creators specialized in Z scale and the bankruptcy has created a void. I assume that creators such as Stony Smith Designs, Walt's TrainZ & Things, and Ngineer have not just retired. I assume they are going into business someplace else, but WHERE? If anyone knows anything, please enlighten us or contact me directly. Malcolm Cleaveland MCZ Models

I hide here and read all your posts on Z Scale I also do the same on HO and O Scale for my Ni Scale. Meaning...I don't model to traditional N scale as well. I model in Ni Scale. Closure to a scale of 1:152 but employing elements of 1:130 Scale to 1:220 as well. So here it is....a sort of Thank you and tribute to Z Scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P95qucHq40o Stop at 3:40 into the video. The BOX I am constructing such a Box with over lapping 2+ inch wider hardwood sides for my 42" x 60" Glass Table Top with Molybedum Bolted Rods into it. But I don't lift the glass. I lower the layout...perhaps in separate thin based modules with plug ins for lighting. The Glass stands on it's own four feet. The box then slides up he legs and it held to the glass by the separate smaller disc and an 8 inch Threaded Rod. The Chrome Tunnel Sleeve will be replaced by cut off high 8 inch tall cedar tree (100') without a Snag on top; made from actual Cedar Bark. Thank You Z Scalers.... You have allowed me to Think Differently. :)) Mark For now I am experimenting with 22 inch radius Levee Modules. So that I may run long n scale steam.

I would like to start a discussion about operating in Z scale. If you have ever attended an NMRA national convention (I have), you have probably noticed that one of the recurring topics is operations, that is, simulating pick up and delivery of freight the way 1:1 RRs do it. This involves dropping off and picking up rolling stock at various industries, putting together consists, etc. The alternative to operating is just watching trains go around the layout, which accounts for the popularity of operations. What about Z scale operations? For some time early-on Marklin couplers were a standard. They were ugly, but coupling and uncoupling (C&U) were fairly easy although I admit I have little experience with them. Micro-Trains Line (MTL) magnematic couplers were a great improvement. They look realistic and C&U can be done remotely and reliably. The current alternative to MTL couplers is AZL "autolatch" couplers, which it should be said often do not "autolatch". And getting the AZL couplers to uncouple is a pain. People I've talked to who do operations in Z scale have all converted AZL rolling stock to MTL couplers or just run MTL rolling stock. So, if there is a solution to the operating problem in Z scale, what's preventing a solution? The problem is that changing couplers is a pain, expensive and time consuming. Another part of the problem is that MTL is getting out of Z scale, converting to N scale exclusively. It has been more than a decade since MTL released a new Z scale body style and is now doing almost no Z scale releases. I hope that they will continue to sell Z scale couplers but there is no guarantee. I think that AZL would have preferred to use MTL couplers on their rolling stock and locomotives, but MTL forbade it, rightly fearing AZL competition. Why doesn't AZL produce its own magnematic couplers since the patents must have run out a long time ago? A very good question that only AZL could answer. An abject failure on their part. Why am I concerned? I would like to see Z scale grow in popularity the way N scale has grown. I believe Z scale will not grow much in popularity until the C&U problem is solved. Does anyone have statistics about Z scale growth versus N scale? If so, let's examine them. I have tried to have this conversation with Rob Kluz of AZL, but his mind is closed and he absolutely refuses to address these issues. Malcolm Cleaveland MCZ Models

Other than Tortoise switch machine, what will work with the Atlas #6 turnouts and not be so balky. This is a new 30 x 48 inch layout. Still want to be able to take to shows and minimize potential damage. Thanks

Today’s Z scale model is of a GMC van. This kit is by Showcase Miniatures. This kit was item number 4041 and went together easily. It took about 4 hours to complete. Photo below came with the package. The cab and enclosure were 3D printed in gray and were excellent. The chassis, flatbed, and wheels are made of white metal. The cab showed more detailed than I would have expected in Z scale. I painted the cab pacemaker red, the enclosure light grey, tires bone black, trailer rail brown, grill and the front bumper Mig oil Steel. All were hand painted. Today’s movie of choice was the 1970 movie Kelly’s Heroes. Directed by Brian G. Hutton. Clint Eastwood, Telly Salvalas, Donald Sutherland, Don Rickles. I had been recently ridiculed (poking fun at, not seriously) for trying Z scale (I usually model in On30) so Clint Eastwood’s character retaliatory nature seems appropriate, lol. Running time is 2 hours and 23 minutes, which is enough time to paint and assemble everything. But NOT the decals. :-) Decals! I’ve never applied Z scale decals. Oh my gawd, these decals are so tiny, but quite crisp. I gave it a shot. You guys be the judge. I thought it came out well. The above photo is my attempt at this kit. It’s parked on a US quarter. I also drilled a 1 mm hole through the transmission from underneath so that it could accommodate the pin of a Magnorail sled. Works like a champ. Anyone want some pie? Cheers! Jim Schulz

Just my 2ct from the other side of the pond: Again and again it is astonishing how many different types of locomotives was produced in North America and in which quantities. More, how many different sub types was build: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_SD60 CSX is my focus of interest (to be honest: B&O is it more, but in case of modern rolling stock... ;-) ) and there was 3 different looking types of SD60 - beside eventually different colour schemes. I am curious how AZL will handle this "problem". I remember the times in which the quantity of offers in american Z scale were managable. Today? Good for interest and "bad" for budget... ;-) Wish you a nice weekend Arnim Am 02.07.24 um 13:46 schrieb Robert Kluz via groups.io: > One man’s option. It is sad when someone can’t see the forest through > the trees. > > Malcolm, what about Atlas? Do you even realize they produced their first > Z scale fright car that was released June? > > What about AZL? How many new models have they released recently? Two new > products in just 4 weeks! > > SD60 - NEW BODY style for July > Airslide hoppers - NEW BODY style for June > New tooling - SD70Ace - 2024 > SD40-2 - new in 2023 > Ortner hoppers - new in 2023 > > Why would AZL put SO much money into the hobby if it weren’t doing very > well? > > That fact is Malcolm wants to believe Z scale is not succeeding > otherwise his point for growth of Z being dependent on operations is > mute. It is this kind of negativity and non-factual arguments that I > find most disturbing. I spend my life promoting and supporting this > scale. All you have to do is look at the forums, and any of the websites > I own, and you will see a wealth of new products. All signs are > positive, but you have to choose to see them. > > Rob > > *“Zeeing is believing…"* > * > Follow us on Facebook! * > *www.facebook.com/ztrackmagazine* > * > * > *Ztrack Magazine Ltd.* > *Distributor for American Z Line* > *Rokuhan, Full Throttle, Archistories, Raildig, Father Nature and others* > > *www.ztrack.com* > *www.ztrackcenter.com* > *www.ztrackresale.com* > *www.azldirect.com* > > > > >> On Jul 1, 2024, at 9:57 PM, Malcolm Cleaveland via groups.io >> <mcleavel@...> wrote: >> >> 4.Rob Kluz says Z scale is really taking off, maybe becoming as >> popular as N scale? But he offers no evidence aside from the fact >> that he is moving to a larger place. As a scientist, I would like to >> see more evidence, such as more retailers carrying Z, more >> manufacturers offering Z, skyrocketing sales, etc. Perhaps Rob could >> point these out if they exist. Unfortunately, with a major Z scale >> manufacturer, MTL, abandoning Z scale in favor of N scale, the >> evidence points in the opposite direction. Another major manufacturer >> (Intermountain) dipped its toe in Z scale with some very nice covered >> hoppers but found it did not pay and has never released more Z scale. >> Intermountain obviously views Z scale as a mistake. I have been >> unable to persuade any dealers I've met at train shows to carry any Z >> scale at all. So, I see no evidence of Z scale taking off, in fact >> just the opposite. > >

Hello Group Members, In a recent thread regarding operations in Z scale I have noticed wording that Micro Trains is getting out of Z scale or words to that effect. Has anyone seen or have have documentation from Micro Trains stating such? Regards Alan

I have to stick my oar in here and drop a penny's worth. I came to Z scale by default after modelling Nn3 since 1980 and meeting MrDave and his layout at the NMRA national convention in 2002. and joined his crew along with Don Avilla and it quickly became a couples gathering annually for the next decade with 4 or 5 senior couples Then we were joined by a young couple from Houston, the Buckley's. Over this time it was obvious to me that Layouts with cute little trains were the thing that got the scale noticed and were always the big draw, with trains going round and round and staying on the track. and this is what got people's attention. operations:- yes it can be done in Z scale but I do not think that sort of operation is going to be a crowd pleaser, and draw in people, the attraction to Z, for the public, is the grand vistas on layouts like Mr Daves and SoCal.and others using T track modules, With long trains running both freight and passenger. Track there are quite a few options to go with tie based , and the roadbed brands,some are easier for each modeller to get laid down properly and operate flawlessly, than others, but there is one thing that I have learned over time and I learned it first in N scale and ported it over to my Z scale operations. and that is, if I want to do switching, the cars need metal wheels and body mounted couplers. Metal wheels are a costly conversion if you have a fleet of MTL cars, but the difference is no heavy track cleaning and wheel cleaning required once the delrin plastic wheels are gone, no grey gunk building up on wheel treads and being spread all over your track, your engines no longer operate intermittently, areal bonus for DCC. Next is no Talgo trucks with couplers attached, though they do operate better with metal wheels, they still do not push reliably through points. There are two things that make this difficult. Unlike on the real railroad our points do not nest tightly to the rail they are closing too. and so if there's pressure on the couple, on a talgo truck it can turn slightly, loading one flange against the stock rail and then the flange hits the blunt end of the point rail and climbs up and over the stock rail, causing a derailment. This can be avoided if the point rail is formed so it comes to rest on the web of the rail or drops into a slight notch in the stock rail, and this can be coupled with tighter positioning of the guard rail opposite the point of the point rail. and With body mounted couplers the trucks are not loading the truck to twist in the rail and are free to seek the center of the gauge and is less likely to pick a blunt point rail. On Z scale track, get away from the magnet in the road bed. It works but there is a steep learning curve to get to work reliably. The first thing is to set the glad hand to correct the height above the rail, once you have done this the electromagnetic uncoupler is marvelous, but why is that so? It is because it sits outside the rails, so use a magnet that spans the track and ties, now you have the right magnetic attraction at the right distance from the center between two coupled couplers and the couplers open easily. It can be buried under the roadbed or automated with a servo to lift it up under the roadbed to the height of the ties for use and dropped down when not required. At 80 and ten years post stroke my 2 x 4 ft show module can be run on DC or DCC, uses Rokuhan track and draws a big crowd to the table it is sitting on at every show. I can run 3 trains on separate loops: a double track main and a single track figure 8. The most common comment I get from the ladies is how cute they are. From the modellers, I can't believe how well that runs and no derailments and it's too small for my big hands or for my eyes to put it on the rails. From the kids, gee this is low enough to see it. To me at this point I still enjoy running trains at shows and showing what Z is about and sharing my love for these little trains. At home I still run N scale with DCC and sound, do switchingand spend countless hours enjoying the hobby, the only thing I miss I am no longer building things like my steam engines in N scale or my doodlebugs in Z and N, it has been a great hobby for 50 years so far and looking forward to a few more. cheers Garth.

I received noticed yesterday that my new Atlas Z scale cars have shipped. Should be here Saturday! I sure hope Atlas keeps it going. Between Micro Trains, AZL, and now Atlas things sure look good for me and Z scale. Regards Alan

Hi Everyone Yesterday I completed a kit from Micro Structures and wanted to share my results. It’s a fun kit to build and I was able to assemble and paint it in just one day. I imagine it would have come out better if more time was granted, but I was watching Eastwood’s The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, and I was on a roll. This is a brass etched kit in Z scale of the Mid State Bank. It represents a bank on a street corner. Now the villains on my layout have something new to rob. The kit comes with one page of written instructions, and one page of isometric drawings. I mostly just followed the drawings for reference. The etched brass pieces are very clean and come off their spurs easily with small rail nippers. I used a small file to cleanly remove any excess material. Per the instructions, I used a small pair of long needle nose pliers (smooth jaws) to make the brass bends. All painting was done with a small flat brush using acrylic paints. The instructions recommend air brushing, but I was too lazy to do that. I enjoy hand painting. Painted the windows titanium white, the mortar with burnt umbra, the roof bone black, and the rest of the building in titan buff. The mortar was painted roughly and excess removed with a paper towel. The stone brick were lightly covered with a flat brush. It all came out to my liking. The instructions suggests using crazy glue for assembly, but I had run out and was having too much fun watching Eastwood blowing up a bridge with Duco. Hence, I used 5 minute epoxy. Worked great. Here’s a photo of the completed kit taken yesterday. Initially, I had reservations with building a brass kit, but once into it, it was a lot of fun to build. I think that airbrushing might have yielded better results, but for a hand painting, I thought it came out pretty well. Also, if I had air brushed it, would it not have covered the brick mortar lines? Thoughts? I recommend this kit and give it two thumbs up. Cheers! Jim Schulz PS… it doesn’t actually take a whole day to complete this kit. It took one movie of “The Good, the Bad, and the ugly” (it’s a long movie), and one movie of “The Goonies”, to complete this kit. Ya gotta love the classics!

Hi Everyone Today’s Z scale model is what looks like a farm house. It’s by ARCHISTORIES, simply called the Olive House (#ARC-404201). Olive for its color. I believe it comes in several color choices. While building, the movie of choice is the infamous “African Queen” by John Huston, starring Katherine Hepburn and Humphrey Bogart. It was a hot day here in Colorado, so the sultry hot environs of the African Queen seemed appropriate. This kit is made of rigid cardboard and comes completely painted. I was blown away at the quality of all the tiny (and I mean TINY) cardboard components. I used an X-Acto blade to remove the pieces from its spurs. Are they still called spurs if it’s all cardboard? Basically I just followed the instructions. I’ve never built a cardboard kit before, in any scale. I proceeded with a bit of caution and trepidation, but found that these feelings were unwarranted. Assembled everything using Aleene’s tacky glue, sparingly. The only thing that was not cardboard were the acetate window glazing, which were all cut to size. Assembling this kit was a joy. Every piece went together perfectly. The pieces went together as modules. This gives the benefit of letting you choose how to fit together the final modules. The same kit can be assembled in several ways. For example, the wrap around porch can be fitted in different positions around the main structure. Then, when you’re all done, there’s no painting required! Boom, finished! I am now a fan of cardboard structure kits. I give ARCHISTORIES’ Olive House a ten out of ten. Not just for its amazing precision, but also for the pre-painted colors that make this structure pop, but not overly pop. It’s spot on. As the final sections were drying, I imagined Charlie and Rosie reaching the shoreline and moving into their Olive House, smiling ear to ear, happy, on my Z scale layout. Cheers! Jim Schulz

Hi Everyone I must confess. The world of Z scale is new to me. I come from On30 and Sn3, hence, by comparison, Z scale is really REALLY tiny. It’s cracking me up, but I’m very much enjoying Z scale thus far. I was browsing the Reynold’s Euro Imports website and found this finished bulldozer by Artitec and was curious of its quality. Received it today and oh my goodness, I am amazed. It’s so tiny that it fits on the very tip of my pinky. Yet it’s very nicely detailed, and has a figure in the driver’s seat. It comes in a small box (of course), and labeled as #322.040, “Hanomag K5 Laderaupe open”. I think Laderaupe means bucket loader, but I’m not sure about that. It comes tied down to a piece of cardboard, and costs $32 USD (assembled and painted). I might pick up some bicycles next. Cheers! Jim Schulz

Can you make a Rokuhan X layout without a flyover using a R025 and 220mm radius curved track for a test layout?? I tried using the SCRAM software, no luck. Current length straight track leaves a gap at the crossover.