Re: Configuration for fill-in digipeater / RF <> IS Igate
Hi, Aaron. Took a while to figure this out. I think the reason for your problem is that your Pocket Packet didn't send a position beacon through the I-gate before it started text messaging. As such, the APRS-IS didn't know which I-gates to send the reply through. Did you wait for it to beacon when you were using other I-gate apps than YAAC? Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Aaron Jones <aaron@...> Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 3:16 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] Configuration for fill-in digipeater / RF <> IS Igate Hello, I've been really impressed with YAAC. I have set up a Rpi3 with TNC-PI2 connected to a yeasu 2980R 2m rig. I originally started with a windows 7 machine running APRS IS/32 which worked great for last couple of months but I wanted something more portable that I can put at a repeater site my buddy has space in so I moved to the TNCPI. I set up APRX first but it lacks good message management and a basic GUI and I really want to use YAAC. Which brings me to my one problem: I can't seem to get IS messages back out over RF despite having a Supplemental IF filter set and a filter set on my IS port. On the other apps I had no problem testing sending from my APRS client on a phone / tablet out to my HT over IS > RF and back again from HT to Phone from RF > IS. Both RF and IS igating are configured. I'm assuming it's something to do with the filter OR my digipeat path settings but at this point I'm so turned around I can't get what was working quite easily on my last two configurations to work with this. Could someone check out my configs and let me know what I'm missing? My callsign SSID assignments are as follows: AG7GK-2 is the Igate / Digipeaters (RF AND APRS-IS CONNECTED) AG7GK-7 is my HT, a yaesu FT2D AG7GK-8 is my Iphone / Ipad (depending on which is connected and on) connected to APRS-IS Main expert General config screen(don't see any relevant settings): [cid: [email protected]] Note: Whenver I set a supplemental Tx-Igate filter it does not "store" in this field, I can't tell if it's working or if it is getting overriden by the APRS-IS port filter. At this time i set that filter to m/120, or 120km range from my beacon location. I have RF>IS AND IS > RF gating enabled [cid: [email protected]] [cid: [email protected]] [cid: [email protected]] [cid: [email protected]] [cid: [email protected]] [cid: [email protected]] [cid: [email protected]] [cid: [email protected]] [cid: [email protected]] Here are some examples of messages: My HT beacon and raw filter from YAAC entry: [cid: [email protected]] I confirm that message and show good path on APRS.fi through AG7GK-2 [cid: [email protected]] Mesa from AG7GK-2 to AG7GK-7 over RF worked great, ACK received from AG7GK-7 TO AG7GK-2 [cid: [email protected]] I sent a message back from the HT AG7GK-7 over RF to AG7GK-2 and received and ACK on the HT [cid: [email protected]] Testing from HT TO pocket packet AG7GK-8 i do not receive an Ack though the phone sends it: [cid: [email protected]] What issue do I have with my digipeat / igate settings or paths? Thanks AG7GK Aaron Jones
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Re: Yet another newbie question.
Thanks for the really quick response Andrew. Perhaps I will just look for another software that will work with direwolf to handl this and stick to APRS for YAAC.? ?I'm jsut really curious how much of the old packet radio still remains. I was very active back in the 80's.. wow.. where did time go.? 73 Brad N8YG
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:03:26 AM EDT, Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
I can't say what those other stations actually are, so you'll have to try.
Regarding old-style connected packet mode: In theory, you should be able to do so. As long as DireWolf just passes all AX.25 packets through to YAAC, YAAC has a complete AX.25 stack to handle initiating and (if configured) receiving packet connections. You will need to configure your AGWPE or KISS port connection to DireWolf to support raw AX.25 packets instead of APRS. Presumably, these BB stations are also not on the standard APRS frequency as well (another reason to disable APRS on the port you use to try to connect to connected-mode packet stations, so you don't clutter the channel with APRS packets).
Once you are configured correctly, there is a "Connect to PBBS" choice on the "Message" menu that you would use to initiate connections. If you want keyboard-to-keyboard chats and want others to be able to connect to you, go to File->Configure->Expert Mode, and on the Preferences tab, check the "Accept inbound AX.25 connected-mode requests" checkbox. In that case, disable your APRS beacon and use your Status message to do your connected-mode beaconing so other connected-mode users can find you.
Note that YAAC is not optimized for this sort of thing. It was intended to be an APRS client, not a packet chat client or PBBS client. And the Chat option on the "Message" menu is not connected-mode packet chat; it does it by APRS text messaging, and just uses a instant messaging style window to keep the text messages from one remote station separated from all the other ones you would see in the View->Messages->Raw Messages window.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:48 AM
Subject: [yaac-users] Yet another newbie question.
Hi All, I see on the map station -bb.. are these ax.25 packet buliten boards, and can I configure YAAC with direwolf to talk to the old packet protocol??
73 Brad N8YG
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Since Winlink is broken can EMAIL-2 be substituted in the interface?? And is Winlink really broken?? I see the messages back and forth as just a failed login to send.
Ronny K4RJJ
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Lynn Deffenbaugh < kj4erj@...> wrote:
EMAIL-2 can be bi-directional if you
know the proper incantations and formats.? See the bottom half
of the following web page:
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and
Win32
On 3/18/2020 4:29 PM, n8yg via
Groups.Io wrote:
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:19 PM, Greg D wrote:
EMAIL-2
Thanks Greg, the EMAIL-2 worked.. FYI
73
Brad N8YG
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EMAIL-2 can be bi-directional if you
know the proper incantations and formats.? See the bottom half
of the following web page:
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and
Win32
On 3/18/2020 4:29 PM, n8yg via
Groups.Io wrote:
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:19 PM, Greg D wrote:
EMAIL-2
Thanks Greg, the EMAIL-2 worked.. FYI
73
Brad N8YG
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Re: Yet another newbie question.
I can't say what those other stations actually are, so you'll have to try.
Regarding old-style connected packet mode: In theory, you should be able to do so. As long as DireWolf just passes all AX.25 packets through to YAAC, YAAC has a complete AX.25 stack to handle initiating and (if configured) receiving packet connections. You will need to configure your AGWPE or KISS port connection to DireWolf to support raw AX.25 packets instead of APRS. Presumably, these BB stations are also not on the standard APRS frequency as well (another reason to disable APRS on the port you use to try to connect to connected-mode packet stations, so you don't clutter the channel with APRS packets).
Once you are configured correctly, there is a "Connect to PBBS" choice on the "Message" menu that you would use to initiate connections. If you want keyboard-to-keyboard chats and want others to be able to connect to you, go to File->Configure->Expert Mode, and on the Preferences tab, check the "Accept inbound AX.25 connected-mode requests" checkbox. In that case, disable your APRS beacon and use your Status message to do your connected-mode beaconing so other connected-mode users can find you.
Note that YAAC is not optimized for this sort of thing. It was intended to be an APRS client, not a packet chat client or PBBS client. And the Chat option on the "Message" menu is not connected-mode packet chat; it does it by APRS text messaging, and just uses a instant messaging style window to keep the text messages from one remote station separated from all the other ones you would see in the View->Messages->Raw Messages window.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:48 AM
Subject: [yaac-users] Yet another newbie question.
Hi All, I see on the map station -bb.. are these ax.25 packet buliten boards, and can I configure YAAC with direwolf to talk to the old packet protocol??
73 Brad N8YG
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Yet another newbie question.
Hi All, I see on the map station -bb.. are these ax.25 packet buliten boards, and can I configure YAAC with direwolf to talk to the old packet protocol??
73 Brad N8YG
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“?If Andrew's code hasn't been updated do that handshake, it won't work.”
it works. I follow the procedure outlined in winlink.org web pages.?
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:19 PM, Greg D wrote:
EMAIL-2
Thanks Greg, the EMAIL-2 worked.. FYI 73 Brad N8YG
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Unless things have changed, you can send (not receive!) email from
an APRS client by sending a message to EMAIL-2, with a message
consisting of the email address, a space, and the message text.?
Keep it short (single packet!), and don't expect a reply (it's one
direction).? But it worked for me last time I tried it.? Came in really
handy some years ago when my wife and I were on a vacation and found
ourselves at a beautiful B&B on the coast in the middle of a
cell phone black hole.? No bars (the RF kind).?? But APRS worked,
and we were able to let our kids know that we arrived safely and
would call them the next day.? I did this from the front panel of my
Kenwood TH-D7AG, which was a thousand button presses.? I expect you
can do the same in seconds from YAAC simply by sending a message and
typing it out.
You can also send an SMS message to a phone with the SMS Gateway.?
Message to SMSGTE, with the text being an "@" followed by the phone
number (including area code, numbers only), a space, and the
message.? This one is bi-directional, though the initial message
must come from the Ham station.
The issue with WLNK-1 is that a few years ago they implemented a
security handshake (password verification exchange) as part of the
connection sequence.? My compliments to whoever came up with the
idea; it's a very creative way to do a reasonably secure handshake
over an unencrypted link.? It can be done by hand (I've done it),
but the timeout is rather short, so it's fussy to do typing from a
keyboard-based client, and essentially impossible from an HT.? If
Andrew's code hasn't been updated do that handshake, it won't work.
Greg? KO6TH
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Yet
again I stumble. I meant sending WINLINK email via APRS is what I
was told was obsolete. There is a way to send generic email via
APRS. I just do not know the details. I think my son got it
working, I will consult with him.
Michael WA7SKG
n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 3:37 PM:
I just thought I was going crazy.. ok, at
least only partly crazy..
Email Obsolete?? Perhaps, but I am just getting my feet wet with
APRS after a long sleep from Packet Radio in the 80s.
73
Brad N8YG
??? On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Michael WA7SKG
??? <wa7skg@...> wrote:
??? My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that
before. I
??? asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told
it was
??? obsolete.
??? Michael WA7SKG
??? n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
???? > so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send
email prompt
??? that
???? > says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then
from YAAC??
???? > _._,_._,_
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Please let us know.? Several folks said it as working last week so this could be a process down or a change in the Winlink system.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:37 PM Michael WA7SKG < wa7skg@...> wrote: Yet again I stumble. I meant sending WINLINK email via APRS is what I
was told was obsolete. There is a way to send generic email via APRS. I
just do not know the details. I think my son got it working, I will
consult with him.
Michael WA7SKG
n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 3:37 PM:
> I just thought I was going crazy.. ok, at least only partly crazy..
> Email Obsolete?? Perhaps, but I am just getting my feet wet with APRS
> after a long sleep from Packet Radio in the 80s.
>
> 73
> Brad N8YG
>
> <>
>
>? ? ?On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Michael WA7SKG
>? ? ?<wa7skg@...> wrote:
>? ? ?My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I
>? ? ?asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was
>? ? ?obsolete.
>
>? ? ?Michael WA7SKG
>
>
>? ? ?n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
>? ? ? > so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt
>? ? ?that
>? ? ? > says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
>? ? ? > _._,_._,_
>
>
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Yet again I stumble. I meant sending WINLINK email via APRS is what I was told was obsolete. There is a way to send generic email via APRS. I just do not know the details. I think my son got it working, I will consult with him.
Michael WA7SKG
n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 3:37 PM:
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I just thought I was going crazy.. ok, at least only partly crazy..
Email Obsolete?? Perhaps, but I am just getting my feet wet with APRS after a long sleep from Packet Radio in the 80s.
73
Brad N8YG
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Michael WA7SKG
<wa7skg@...> wrote:
My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I
asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was
obsolete.
Michael WA7SKG
n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
> so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt
that
> says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
> _._,_._,_
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I just thought I was going crazy.. ok, at least only partly crazy.. Email Obsolete?? Perhaps, but I am just getting my feet wet with APRS after a long sleep from Packet Radio in the 80s.
73 Brad N8YG
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> wrote: My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I
asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was obsolete.
Michael WA7SKG
n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
> so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt that
> says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
> _._,_._,_
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My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was obsolete.
Michael WA7SKG
n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
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so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt that says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
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Wlnk-1 worked at least last week.?
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I used it a few days ago following the instructions on the winlink website for APRS link
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No WLNK-1 is dead or at least something has changed.? I can send Winlink fine otherwise but not via YAAC.? Andrew is this what you used for design???
Hi, first post, new to APRS, but was very active with packet back in the 80's.. wow long time ago..?
Anyway, I have an account with winlink email.. and have a login and password.? But it's elusive to me how to email from YAAC?
I keep getting invalid login challenge response..?
I saw? something about the program should mix in the password with? seq number.. but have no idea where I use the password in YAAC.?
probably a no brainer.. but need a bit of help.?
Thanks es 73?
Brad N8YG
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I was never able to get the built-in email screen to work. I was able to use the basic YAAC messaging send/receive feature with WLNK-1 as the destination to use the APRSLink methodology... https://www.winlink.org/APRSLink
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That did it!? I knew it was something I had done.? Thanks!
There is (or was) a crude APRS-to-Winlink gateway once upon a time. I'm not sure if it is still working, and whether or not its interface protocol over APRS has changed since I wrote the APRS-Winlink client screen in YAAC.
Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC -------- Original message -------- From: Michael WA7SKG < wa7skg@...> Date: 3/17/20 12:00 (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC Email YAAC is an APRS client. Winlink is a different protocol. You will need to use a WinLink compatible client to connect to a WinLink node or process traffic. Michael WA7SKG n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 8:06 AM: > Hi All, I thought I sent out this message before, but never saw it on > the groups messages.. > Anyway, trying to get the email working for YAAC, but don't seem to be > able to figure it out without an assist. > I have an account with winlink, but I get a response when sending an > email that says > "invalid login challenge response" it looks like the sequence number is > there, but not sure if I need to add the password to the YAAC program > somewhere? > 73 Brad N8YG
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What little I know is that there once was a way to send to winlink.. without a password.. now I think they want part of your password or something like that interlinked with the sequence number ..whatever... it looks like it's not working.. so good to know. I'll quit trying..:-) Thanks? Brad N8YG
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 01:24:56 PM EDT, Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
There is (or was) a crude APRS-to-Winlink gateway once upon a time. I'm not sure if it is still working, and whether or not its interface protocol over APRS has changed since I wrote the APRS-Winlink client screen in YAAC.
Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC
-------- Original message -------- From: Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> Date: 3/17/20 12:00 (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC Email YAAC is an APRS client. Winlink is a different protocol. You will need to use a WinLink compatible client to connect to a WinLink node or process traffic. Michael WA7SKG n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 8:06 AM: > Hi All, I thought I sent out this message before, but never saw it on > the groups messages.. > Anyway, trying to get the email working for YAAC, but don't seem to be > able to figure it out without an assist. > I have an account with winlink, but I get a response when sending an > email that says > "invalid login challenge response" it looks like the sequence number is > there, but not sure if I need to add the password to the YAAC program > somewhere? > 73 Brad N8YG
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Re: Can't turn off Weather view
It looks like you are actually referring to the weather radar overlay, which is a special case within the Raster Map overlay. YAAC knows how to download a radar map from the US National Weather Service and align it automatically (as opposed to the manual alignment for other raster overlays).
To get rid of it, go to View-> Raster Map, and either uncheck (disable) or delete entirely the overlay from the NWS website that is listed in the table of raster maps.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC
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-------- Original message -------- From: Ronny Julian <k4rjjradio@...> Date: 3/17/20 13:21 (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [yaac-users] Can't turn off Weather view Hi.? I have clicked off the Weatrher view box in YAAC and restarted the box.? The Weather view will not turn off.? What other options control this view?? Thanks! 
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Michael WA7SKG