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Re: APRS.fi

 

Been a few years, thanks for the jogging my memory on this topic.


Sent from for iOS


On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 07:42, Andrew P. via groups.io <andrewemt@...> wrote:
If you're not getting anything from that filter, then the app is probably using Mic-E position format, so the tocall will be the longitude encoding rather than the software type code.

So you'll probably need to use the buddy filter
b/W9JUN*

Not the uppercase callsign (callsigns are supposed to be sent in uppercase), and the trailing asterisk to match all SSID suffixes of your callsign. The example you showed before (with a "-i" suffix wouldn't have matched because SSID values cannot be letters; they have to be digits.



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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don via groups.io <donpjr@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 7:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] APRS.fi

u/APFI* (added to the aprs-is port)







Re: APRS.fi

 

If you're not getting anything from that filter, then the app is probably using Mic-E position format, so the tocall will be the longitude encoding rather than the software type code.

So you'll probably need to use the buddy filter
b/W9JUN*

Not the uppercase callsign (callsigns are supposed to be sent in uppercase), and the trailing asterisk to match all SSID suffixes of your callsign. The example you showed before (with a "-i" suffix wouldn't have matched because SSID values cannot be letters; they have to be digits.



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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don via groups.io <donpjr@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 7:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] APRS.fi

u/APFI* (added to the aprs-is port)


Re: Changes In Beacon Settings Cannot Be Saved!!

 

Greetings.

The first thing you need to do is try one more time, then immediately exit YAAC and privately email me the YAAC.out file in your YAAC log directory. This file contains all unhandled error messages reported by YAAC, so it will hopefully show what the problem is.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of SV?SGS via groups.io <sv0sgs@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 1:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Changes In Beacon Settings Cannot Be Saved!!

Hello! I have installed YAAC on several systems (Win, Linux, Pi-OS) and have the same problem Any changes I make in the Beacon settings cannot be saved! And yes, I push the "save changes" button and close out the dialogue properly. I created a new beacon, "SV0SGS". That seems to be the only change that was saved.

I checked the boxes "enable station beacon" and "report altitude."

I changed the display symbol and added a monitor frequency.

I changed the free text to "nothing to see here."

I then saved the changes and closed out the dialog using the "close" button.

When I reopened the configuration dialogue I saw that all my changes were NOT saved. I repeated the procedure several times and got the same results.

This is very frustrating, to say the least. I have wasted too much time on this.

Where is the problem and how can it be fixed?

[cid:[email protected]]


Re: APRS.fi

 

u/APFI* (added to the aprs-is port)


Re: Load Drawings on startup

 

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The persist controls for Routes are in the View->Dynamic Objects window on the Routes tab. That lists all the loaded Routes, including for each individual route:
  1. Rendering color, transparency, stroke style, and stripe width.
  2. Whether the route is enabled for use by dynamic objects (dynamic objects can "snap" to the nearest point on the nearest route).
  3. Whether the route is looped (course continues from last point to first point like a racetrack).
  4. Whether the route is persisted in the YAAC configuration.
The Dynamic Objects tab in the same window manages your dynamic objects, which are locally created and controlled APRS Objects with the extra capability of being moved automatically at a bearing of travel or along an arbitrary Route at a specified speed. This effectively gives you a virtual tracker that can be corrected based on visual observations from your radio operators along the route.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of RileyC?
Sent:?Thursday, May 1, 2025 2:28:09 PM

Thanks!? I haven't found the way to mark it as persisted, yet.? The route options in Dynamic object solve another larger issue with overlapping?routes.

I'm glad this is available!

Riley
Kf4emz

On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 8:11?AM Andrew P. via ?<andrewemt=[email protected]> wrote:

Greetings.

Core YAAC doesn't preserve drawings, although it can be configured to preserve locally created APRS Objects. It is common to create private Objects (don't get transmitted) to mark things like rest stops for an event.

However, the Dynamic Objects plugin can persist its routes, which can also be loaded from GPX files. So if you install that plugin, then load your bike ride GPX as a route, you can mark it to be persisted.

Hope this helps.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

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From: [email protected]?<[email protected]> on behalf of RileyC via ?<rufus.rizzo78=[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2025 11:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Load Drawings on startup

I want to share how much I like YAAC and love finding new helpful features.


Our Club does SAG(safety patrol for bike rides) and communications.? I'm working on ways to make it easier for less savy Net Control operators to use YACC more often, when I'm not there.? I looked around and didn't find a solution, so I thought I'd ask.

Is there a way to load ".gpx" files when YAAC starts?

Does the flag "dont.purge.temp" keep the previously loaded Drawings?

Thanks!

Riley
Kf4emz








Re: Load Drawings on startup

 

Thanks!? I haven't found the way to mark it as persisted, yet.? The route options in Dynamic object solve another larger issue with overlapping?routes.

I'm glad this is available!

Riley
Kf4emz

On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 8:11?AM Andrew P. via <andrewemt=[email protected]> wrote:
Greetings.

Core YAAC doesn't preserve drawings, although it can be configured to preserve locally created APRS Objects. It is common to create private Objects (don't get transmitted) to mark things like rest stops for an event.

However, the Dynamic Objects plugin can persist its routes, which can also be loaded from GPX files. So if you install that plugin, then load your bike ride GPX as a route, you can mark it to be persisted.

Hope this helps.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of RileyC via <rufus.rizzo78=[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2025 11:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Load Drawings on startup

I want to share how much I like YAAC and love finding new helpful features.


Our Club does SAG(safety patrol for bike rides) and communications.? I'm working on ways to make it easier for less savy Net Control operators to use YACC more often, when I'm not there.? I looked around and didn't find a solution, so I thought I'd ask.

Is there a way to load ".gpx" files when YAAC starts?

Does the flag "dont.purge.temp" keep the previously loaded Drawings?

Thanks!

Riley
Kf4emz







Changes In Beacon Settings Cannot Be Saved!!

 

Hello!? I have installed YAAC on several systems (Win, Linux, Pi-OS) and have the same problem?? Any changes I make in the Beacon settings cannot be saved!? And yes, I push the "save changes" button and close out the dialogue properly.??? I created a new beacon, "SV0SGS".? That seems to be the only change that was saved.
?
I checked the boxes "enable station beacon" and "report altitude."
?
I changed the display symbol and added a monitor frequency.
?
I changed the free text to "nothing to see here."
?
I then saved the changes and closed out the dialog using the "close" button.?
?
When I reopened the configuration dialogue I saw that all my changes were NOT saved.? I repeated the procedure several times and got the same results.
?
This is very frustrating, to say the least.? I have wasted too much time on this.?
?
Where is the problem and how can it be fixed?
?


Re: APRS.fi

 

Please specify exactly what filter you specified, and where in the YAAC UI. Syntax errors in the filter expression will cause the APRS-IS not to send anything, and specifying YAAC display filters will exclude traffic you are receiving from being displayed.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don via groups.io <donpjr@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 8:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] APRS.fi

[Edited Message Follows]

Good evening

When I add the APRS-IS filter, the data stream stops. When I look at the raw packets, there are no lines of data, and the map stops updating. BTW, that¡¯s for any filter I add.


Re: Load Drawings on startup

 

Greetings.

Core YAAC doesn't preserve drawings, although it can be configured to preserve locally created APRS Objects. It is common to create private Objects (don't get transmitted) to mark things like rest stops for an event.

However, the Dynamic Objects plugin can persist its routes, which can also be loaded from GPX files. So if you install that plugin, then load your bike ride GPX as a route, you can mark it to be persisted.

Hope this helps.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of RileyC via groups.io <rufus.rizzo78@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2025 11:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Load Drawings on startup

I want to share how much I like YAAC and love finding new helpful features.


Our Club does SAG(safety patrol for bike rides) and communications. I'm working on ways to make it easier for less savy Net Control operators to use YACC more often, when I'm not there. I looked around and didn't find a solution, so I thought I'd ask.

Is there a way to load ".gpx" files when YAAC starts?

Does the flag "dont.purge.temp" keep the previously loaded Drawings?

Thanks!

Riley
Kf4emz


Load Drawings on startup

 

I want to share how much I like YAAC and love finding new helpful features.


Our Club does SAG(safety patrol for bike rides) and communications.? I'm working on ways to make it easier?for less savy?Net Control operators to use YACC more often, when I'm not there.? I looked around and didn't find a solution, so I thought I'd ask.

Is there a way to load ".gpx" files when YAAC starts??

Does the flag "dont.purge.temp" keep the previously loaded Drawings?

Thanks!

Riley
Kf4emz


Re: Direction finding settings don't seem to save in beacon configuration

 

Hi, Scott.

Bear in mind that PHG data is not describing the same thing as DFS data is, so what they display is not related.

PHG estimates the range an APRS station can send and receive simplex based on the station's transmitter power, antenna height above average terrain (HAAT), antenna gain, and octant of directionality of the antenna. Usually, an APRS station's antenna is an omnidirectional one, so you see a circle centered on the station whose diameter is calculated from the power, HAAT, and gain; if the antenna is directional the PHG approximation circle is offset in the specified octant direction (0, 45, 90, 135, etc. degrees from True North) where the antenna would have the most gain (on the boresite, rather than off to the side or behind the directional antenna).

DFS instead is about how well a station _hears_ one other specific station. There is no generic DFS; the stations participating in the direction-finding have to agree on what station they are reporting about, and if there are two groups of stations in an area both using DFS reports on the same APRS frequency, the display will be somewhat useless.

DFS can be reported in two different ways:

1. If the reporting station actually has a precision directional antenna (beam Yagi or an electronic phased-array) so it can precisely report a station-relative bearing to the target, the NRQ data can be used to specify the bearing to the target from the local station, and quality information about how the target was heard. YAAC can decode received bearing/NRQ data, but is not set up to help in entering such data for transmission. The station must be using the Direction Finding symbol (\/) so listening stations know that NRQ data will be included in the position report. The NRQ data appears after the reporting station's position, course, and speed, then the bearing and NRQ, for example:

010/020/045/123

where 010/020 says the reporting station is traveling on a course of 10 degrees from True North at 20 knots (nautical miles per hour), and its directional antenna is hearing the target at 45 degrees from True North with 1 number of detections, range code of 2, and signal quality of 3. YAAC plots the bearing cone from the reporting station (beamwidth inversely proportional to antenna gain), so you can look for intersections.

2. If the reporting station does not have a precision directional antenna, it can approximate the relative location of the target by reporting the signal strength the target was heard at (in S-units), and the characteristics of the reporting station's antenna (same as PHG without the transmitter power). YAAC will use this information to plot a color-coded (based on the reported S-unit) coverage circle around the reporting station where the target probably is. One reporting station isn't very useful, but if you have a collection of reporting stations, you can look for where the multiple coverage circles are overlapping together and look for the intersection; obviously, this works best if you have several reporting stations in a rough circle around where the target is. Any APRS symbol can be used for the reporting stations.

Note that you will see _nothing_ added to the other map information if there are no reporting stations actually transmitting precision bearing and NRQ or imprecise coverage circles (DFS).

Hopes this helps explain how APRS direction finding is reported and works.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Scott Gillins via groups.io <scott@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2025 10:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Direction finding settings don't seem to save in beacon configuration

Thanks for the reply. I have several stations around me that are announcing PHG values, however when I turn on the direction finding layer I expect to see something different on the map. What should I expect to see?

Thanks,
Scott

On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 7:17?PM Andrew P. via groups.io<> <andrewemt@...<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi, Scott.

Thank you for finding a bug in the beacon configuration panel. It will be fixed in the next build of YAAC.

I'll have to think about your other suggestions. I agree, being able to quickly edit specific DFS values (after observing the RF conditions of the remote signal at the local station) would be useful. I'll have to think of a user-convenient way of doing so.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

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From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Scott Gillins via groups.io<> <scott@...<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2025 1:10 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [yaac-users] Direction finding settings don't seem to save in beacon configuration

Hey all,

I have been trying to understand some of the direction finding extensions of ARPS. I have specifically been reading from the APRS101 document starting on page 28 for the PHG and DFS data. I believe that I should be able to set this in a beacon settings. This data should then be displayed and calculated if I turn on View->Layers->show direction finding.

I can set some data for DFS in the beacon settings, make sure to save the settings. When I beacon I do not see the data in the packet and when I go back into the settings for the beacon all the DFS options are back to turned off. It does not seem to save things. The PHG settings seem to work.

[cid:[email protected]<mailto:cid%[email protected]>]

Also a nice feature would be to have beacon button have a pull down where you could just hit the button and send what is your default beacon or chose one of the other beacons you have created or maybe a new option under message or query where a new window would open up with the PHG and DFS options and the ability to send a one time beacon with direction finding data.

If anyone has experience with these features I would love to talk with you.

Thanks,
Scott - W2KP


Re: APRS.fi

 
Edited

Good evening
?
When I add the APRS-IS filter, the data stream stops. When I look at the raw packets, there are no lines of data, and the map stops updating. BTW, that¡¯s for any filter I add.


Re: APRS.fi

 

No, the "o/" filter is for object names (for example, marking a rest stop on a public service event).

You would want the filter "u/APFI*" which would match the tocall for the aprs.fi iOS app.

the full list of available filters is at


Hope this helps.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don via groups.io <donpjr@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2025 11:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] APRS.fi

Since it has been a few years, this may be wrong.

I've added b/w9jun-i o/aprsfi-iOS


Re: APRS.fi

 

Well, the expression I added is wrong. It has stopped all Raw Packets from aprs-is


Re: APRS.fi

 

Since it has been a few years, this may be wrong.
?
I've added b/w9jun-i o/aprsfi-iOS


Re: Direction finding settings don't seem to save in beacon configuration

 

Thanks for the reply.? I have several stations around me that are announcing PHG values, however when I turn on the direction finding layer I expect to see something different on the map. What should I expect to see?

Thanks,
Scott

On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 7:17?PM Andrew P. via <andrewemt=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Scott.

Thank you for finding a bug in the beacon configuration panel. It will be fixed in the next build of YAAC.

I'll have to think about your other suggestions. I agree, being able to quickly edit specific DFS values (after observing the RF conditions of the remote signal at the local station) would be useful. I'll have to think of a user-convenient way of doing so.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Scott Gillins via <scott=[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2025 1:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Direction finding settings don't seem to save in beacon configuration

Hey all,

I have been trying to understand some of the direction finding extensions of ARPS.? I have specifically been reading from the APRS101 document starting on page 28 for the PHG and DFS data.? I believe that I should be able to set this in a beacon settings.? This data should then be displayed and calculated if I turn on View->Layers->show direction finding.

I can set some data for DFS in the beacon settings, make sure to save the settings.? When I beacon I do not see the data in the packet and when I go back into the settings for the beacon all the DFS? options are back to turned off.? It does not seem to save things.? The PHG settings seem to work.

[cid:[email protected]]

Also a nice feature would be to have beacon button have a pull down where you could just hit the button and send what is your default beacon or chose one of the other beacons you have created or maybe a new option under message or query where a new window would open up with the PHG and DFS options and the ability to send a one time beacon with direction finding data.

If anyone has experience with these features I would love to talk with you.

Thanks,
Scott - W2KP








Re: APRS.fi

 

funny i was gonna to ask the opposite question:
how can i see. HF aprs on aprs.fi?


Re: APRS.fi

 

Thanks, Andrew



Sent from for iOS


On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 20:29, Andrew P. via groups.io <andrewemt@...> wrote:
Only if you have an APRS-IS connection in YAAC with a filter expression that selects your Internet-only iOS app's packets for forwarding to your YAAC station.

Normal iOS app packets won't get forwarded to RF unless you use the iOS app to text text messages to your YAAC stations through a nearby transmit-capable I-gate (assuming there are any near you).

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don via groups.io <donpjr@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] APRS.fi

Good evening

Is there a way to have >aprs.fi via aprsfi-iOS populate on the YAAC map?

DonP







Re: APRS.fi

 

Only if you have an APRS-IS connection in YAAC with a filter expression that selects your Internet-only iOS app's packets for forwarding to your YAAC station.

Normal iOS app packets won't get forwarded to RF unless you use the iOS app to text text messages to your YAAC stations through a nearby transmit-capable I-gate (assuming there are any near you).

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don via groups.io <donpjr@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] APRS.fi

Good evening

Is there a way to have >aprs.fi via aprsfi-iOS populate on the YAAC map?

DonP


APRS.fi

 

Good evening
?
Is there a way to have >aprs.fi via aprsfi-iOS populate on the YAAC map?
?
DonP