No Bob 鈥� I disagree on one portion below.听 There is a third group 鈥� and I might qualify for president of that group.听 Call us Group-C.听 We are the folks who know damn well we haven鈥檛 a clue.听 It鈥檚 like this.听 Software is magical, and I am no magician.听 Because I know I don鈥檛 know Jack when something goes wrong, I do my very best to not screw it up.听 I rely on Norton to pull me through a lot of stuff.听 I actually have 4 computers in the shack.听

FACT:听 If it wasn鈥檛 for NORTON and PEOPLE LIKE YOU the stuff this old retired soldier plays with might not be working.听 I鈥檓 pretty certain I can safely say us Group-C people really appreciate the help you Group-A people throw at is.听 It鈥檚 a solid fear of screwing something up that makes me hesitate in every move or change!

I have one 鈥渕ain鈥� computer, the one I am on at the moment.听 It is Win-10, and says it is not upgradable to Win-11.听 I use it for E-mail, and all MS-OFFICE functions, spreadsheets and documents, photos鈥�. The usual stuff.听 It has two bit 27-inch curved monitors and 16-GB ram鈥�.. wish it had more ram!听 Because this computer is used for nearly everything, it is the most in danger of giving me issues.

The 2^nd, I have a Win-11 box that is dedicated to ham radio.听 It has one main general logging program, a few contest loggers, it is connected to my IC-7610 for HF and 6m, and it is connected to my IC-905 for 2m-70cm-23cm-13cm-5cm-3cm work.听 It has one huge 32-inch x 14-inch flat-panel monitor that can display my logger and FL-DIGI or WSJT-X side-by-side. It is presently working meteor scatter on 50.260, we are at the peak period of the Geminids shower today.听 About the only outside WEB connections to this one is SOTA, POTA, LoTW and QRZ.

The 3^rd computer is an ASUS lap-top dedicated strictly to SOTA-POTA-PORTABLE operations.听 It is configured to connect to a Wi-Fi hotspot that also connects to my Icom IC-705, and I can wirelessly operate the radio and all digital and logging data is shared between them.听 This one will run 8 to 12 hours on a single charge.听 Connections again limited to SOTA, POTA, LoTW and QRZ.

The 4^th is an older ASUS net-book.听 It is dedicated to the old AX-25 Packet Terminal on a 2-w VHF radio.听 It is not connected to the web, and it was recently upgraded to Win-11, but other than checking for updates is not normally connected to the Wi-Fi.听 It was the former portable computer until battery life started to get shorter.

Today 鈥� right this moment 鈥� everything is functioning perfectly.听 E-mail is coming in and out, the spreadsheet I am working on is functioning, and the other computer has snagged AZ, CA, TX and UT on meteor scatter so far this morning.听 But the day is young.听 Plenty of time to screw something up and still make it to dinner on time.

THANK YOU 鈥� all you GROUP-A folks, from group-C folks like me.听 I have many skills, but software ain鈥檛 one of them.听 Your input is greatly appreciated!

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Vy73 - Mike - KD5KC.

El Paso, Texas - DM61rt.

SOTA W5T-Texas Association Manager.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw - K4TAX
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2024 9:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

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If the issue is with the installer or setup application, CCleaner won't fix that.听 If the issue is with the computer having corrupted files, junk files, etc. CCleaner will most likely correct that.

The issue with blaming Microsoft Windows for issues is really not a MS issue.听 I don't see nor understand how MS can be assured every application ever written in the world will run with MS Windows.听 Think about it.听听 It is the responsibility of the writer of the application to assure it runs correctly with MS Windows.听 If MS updates Windows, it is again the responsibility of the computer operator, or the writer of the application to assure the system is updated and compatible with MS Windows.

Many, many, many issues are largely due to improper computer configurations, conflicting applications (which is a big one) and generally poor computer maintenance.听 I've harped on this more than once.听 You do perform regular computer back ups don't you?听听 You do scan for broken file links, unused links, fragmented files, and such on a regular basis don't you?听听 You do run a in-depth Malware scan on a regular basis, or do you sit back and expect the computer and its applications to do this for you.听 Ha!听 It ain't gonna happen.听 One has to perform some regular computer house cleaning on a regular basis.听 If not, you are just muddling around in a pile of trash code with most likely unknown outcome and of course, blaming it on something else.听 Well, if one wants to blame it on something else, go look in the mirror.

Now if you read this far, there are two kinds of folks:听 (a) those that know what they are doing, and (b) those that think they know what they are doing.听 Please seek assistance if you are in the (b) group, presuming you know you aren't in the (a) group.

I've updated this computer to the latest release of FLDIGI V4.2.06.14.听 The setup works by a simple double click.听 At least mine does, so why doesn't yours? It creates its own sub-directory (oh you changed that????) and ICON on the screen to launch the application.听听 If I can use Windows 10 Pro 64 bit, and the released version of FLDIGI successfully, what do you suppose might be the issue?听听 If you add something and it doesn't work, then back out and do something different.听 Adding more and more and changing this and that is likely to cause more issues and not resolve the initial issue.听听 I've asked more than one person, what did you do before you did that?听 They seemingly changed and changed and changed and have no clue as to why or what.听 The more one adds to the problem solving issue, the more complex things get in resolving problems.听 KISS is the better motto.

Now, if you've read this far, if I can easily make the application install, load and run correctly, so can you.听听 Can't you?

73

Bob, K4TAX

P.S. -听 If what I wrote upsets you......so be it.听 Do I need to explain where the DELETE key is located?

听

On 12/13/2024 12:05 AM, Bob Morrow wrote:

The problem was not fixed by CCleaner or Revo. Others have had this problem so it is not limited to me (see: [email protected] | Double-clicking setup.exe does nothing)

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The way I see it, the problem is with the installer. If it was a normal .ZIP file, I doubt there would be any issues. Right-click it, select Extract All, run setup.exe, done.

听

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 8:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

I second Bob (K4TAX) on CCleaner. It has saved my bacon many times when things get gnarly like your install woes.

Jack - KD4IZ

On 12/12/2024 5:29 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

I suggest one needs to "clean their computer".听听

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I use CCLeaner to scan for broken links, registry issues the results of programs being installed and then uninstalled.听 I find VERY OFTEN the uninstall application associated with a program will leave a good bit of trash on the system.听听听 The version I used is a paid version but the FREE version will likely do what is needed.听听听 Some say that CCleaner causes issues, well yes it can erase your entire hard-drive if you command it to do so.听听听听 But if it is used as intended and it is VERY simple and straight forward to use, it does wonders without damaging any files or applications.听听听 I've been using it for years, and doing regular computer maintenance, and experience ZERO issues with Windows 10 and any application including FLDIGI.

If you are NOT doing regular computer maintenance, thny you leave the door wide open for issues.

73

Bob, K4TAX

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On 12/12/2024 2:08 PM, Bob Morrow wrote:

I downloaded the latest, it still didn鈥檛 work. I did get the blue screen complaining about it being uncommon software (which I probably got with the earlier version and Windows simply remembered my answer on subsequent attempts to run it), said 鈥榬un anyway鈥�, got the UAC alert, then nothing.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

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Bob,

I will have to punt on this question now because I have never seen this behavior. I have 3 windows machines: 2 desktop (one 10 and one 11) and a laptop. They all work exactly the same way that I described.

As a last resort to try, I would use a software uninstaller like Revo, check to see if there is any trace of Fldigi anywhere - installation files, code, registry, or configuration files. Make sure you have not given fldigi some sort of application security permission if so revoke it. Eliminate all of remaining traces and reboot.听

Download the alpha setup that Dave used from: (fldigi-4.2.06.15_setup.exe)

Go through the install as Dave and I suggested and tell us if you see "better" behavior. After that I have no other suggestions. Dave might be aware of something else to try.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On 12/12/2024 10:50 AM, Bob Morrow wrote:

Yes, 4.2.06_setup.exe was what I used.

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The other questions:

1 - no

2, 3 - not getting that screen, so no. It goes straight to the Windows UAC prompt.

4 - Windows' UAC did show up, I clicked on Yes.

5 - I didn't see anything after the UAC prompt. Nothing.

6 - Taskbar is not minimized, ribbon is not minimized to the window. I didn't see anything. I do have the taskbar set to show up at the TOP of the screen, but that shouldn't matter.

7 - no aftermarket antivirus or other security stuff. All of the Windows security stuff is at the default settings, I think.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 9:15 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

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Interesting. Are you trying to install using:

fldigi-4.2.06_setup.exe

-which is the latest non-alpha or beta code?

1. Are you getting a blue pop-up screen trying to stop you?

2. Are you selecting 鈥淢ore options鈥� on that screen?

3. When you do that, do you get another blue screen that gives you the choice of backing out or selecting 鈥淚nstall anyway鈥�?

4. When you do the install anyway, you should get the standard Window UAC panel asking you to confirm installation- 5. If you say yes, you will next get the fldigi installer panel and can select some install options and complete the install.

6 If you don鈥檛 see that 鈥減ermissions鈥� panel in 4 above, then look to see if the window is minimized to your Taskbar and open it, then proceed.

听

Let us know where what you see deviates from that sequence. It should work unless you have a 3rd party security app and/or the Windows security stuff cranked up and blocking everything.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On Dec 11, 2024, at 20:30, Bob Morrow <bobmorrow@...> wrote:

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锘�I don't see that at all.

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They should make it a regular .zip file. The help files are, so the executable should be as well.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack 

Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:57 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result鈥� however, if you look in the taskbar ribbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.

If you don鈥檛 see it in the taskbar, check the task manager. Either way, you should be able to bring it up onscreen and tell it to finish the installation.

Jack - KD4IZ

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--
/i /b Jack Spitznagel, DDS PhD Science River LLC Parkton, MD /b /i

--
/i /b Jack Spitznagel, DDS PhD Science River LLC Parkton, MD /b /i

One of the first things that I do when I install Windows is to turn off that "feature". That way I get to decide what I install on my computer, Windows does not.

听

听

If the issue is with the installer or setup application, CCleaner won't fix that.听 If the issue is with the computer having corrupted files, junk files, etc. CCleaner will most likely correct that.

The issue with blaming Microsoft Windows for issues is really not a MS issue.听 I don't see nor understand how MS can be assured every application ever written in the world will run with MS Windows.听 Think about it.听听 It is the responsibility of the writer of the application to assure it runs correctly with MS Windows.听 If MS updates Windows, it is again the responsibility of the computer operator, or the writer of the application to assure the system is updated and compatible with MS Windows.

Many, many, many issues are largely due to improper computer configurations, conflicting applications (which is a big one) and generally poor computer maintenance.听 I've harped on this more than once.听 You do perform regular computer back ups don't you?听听 You do scan for broken file links, unused links, fragmented files, and such on a regular basis don't you?听听 You do run a in-depth Malware scan on a regular basis, or do you sit back and expect the computer and its applications to do this for you.听 Ha!听 It ain't gonna happen.听 One has to perform some regular computer house cleaning on a regular basis.听 If not, you are just muddling around in a pile of trash code with most likely unknown outcome and of course, blaming it on something else.听 Well, if one wants to blame it on something else, go look in the mirror.

Now if you read this far, there are two kinds of folks:听 (a) those that know what they are doing, and (b) those that think they know what they are doing.听 Please seek assistance if you are in the (b) group, presuming you know you aren't in the (a) group.

I've updated this computer to the latest release of FLDIGI V4.2.06.14.听 The setup works by a simple double click.听 At least mine does, so why doesn't yours? It creates its own sub-directory (oh you changed that????) and ICON on the screen to launch the application.听听 If I can use Windows 10 Pro 64 bit, and the released version of FLDIGI successfully, what do you suppose might be the issue?听听 If you add something and it doesn't work, then back out and do something different.听 Adding more and more and changing this and that is likely to cause more issues and not resolve the initial issue.听听 I've asked more than one person, what did you do before you did that?听 They seemingly changed and changed and changed and have no clue as to why or what.听 The more one adds to the problem solving issue, the more complex things get in resolving problems.听 KISS is the better motto.

Now, if you've read this far, if I can easily make the application install, load and run correctly, so can you.听听 Can't you?

73

Bob, K4TAX

P.S. -听 If what I wrote upsets you......so be it.听 Do I need to explain where the DELETE key is located?

听

The problem was not fixed by CCleaner or Revo. Others have had this problem so it is not limited to me (see: [email protected] | Double-clicking setup.exe does nothing)

听

The way I see it, the problem is with the installer. If it was a normal .ZIP file, I doubt there would be any issues. Right-click it, select Extract All, run setup.exe, done.

听

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 8:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

I second Bob (K4TAX) on CCleaner. It has saved my bacon many times when things get gnarly like your install woes.

Jack - KD4IZ

On 12/12/2024 5:29 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

I suggest one needs to "clean their computer".听听

听

I use CCLeaner to scan for broken links, registry issues the results of programs being installed and then uninstalled.听 I find VERY OFTEN the uninstall application associated with a program will leave a good bit of trash on the system.听听听 The version I used is a paid version but the FREE version will likely do what is needed.听听听 Some say that CCleaner causes issues, well yes it can erase your entire hard-drive if you command it to do so.听听听听 But if it is used as intended and it is VERY simple and straight forward to use, it does wonders without damaging any files or applications.听听听 I've been using it for years, and doing regular computer maintenance, and experience ZERO issues with Windows 10 and any application including FLDIGI.

If you are NOT doing regular computer maintenance, thny you leave the door wide open for issues.

73

Bob, K4TAX

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On 12/12/2024 2:08 PM, Bob Morrow wrote:

I downloaded the latest, it still didn鈥檛 work. I did get the blue screen complaining about it being uncommon software (which I probably got with the earlier version and Windows simply remembered my answer on subsequent attempts to run it), said 鈥榬un anyway鈥�, got the UAC alert, then nothing.

听

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

I will have to punt on this question now because I have never seen this behavior. I have 3 windows machines: 2 desktop (one 10 and one 11) and a laptop. They all work exactly the same way that I described.

As a last resort to try, I would use a software uninstaller like Revo, check to see if there is any trace of Fldigi anywhere - installation files, code, registry, or configuration files. Make sure you have not given fldigi some sort of application security permission if so revoke it. Eliminate all of remaining traces and reboot.听

Download the alpha setup that Dave used from: (fldigi-4.2.06.15_setup.exe)

Go through the install as Dave and I suggested and tell us if you see "better" behavior. After that I have no other suggestions. Dave might be aware of something else to try.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On 12/12/2024 10:50 AM, Bob Morrow wrote:

Yes, 4.2.06_setup.exe was what I used.

听

The other questions:

1 - no

2, 3 - not getting that screen, so no. It goes straight to the Windows UAC prompt.

4 - Windows' UAC did show up, I clicked on Yes.

5 - I didn't see anything after the UAC prompt. Nothing.

6 - Taskbar is not minimized, ribbon is not minimized to the window. I didn't see anything. I do have the taskbar set to show up at the TOP of the screen, but that shouldn't matter.

7 - no aftermarket antivirus or other security stuff. All of the Windows security stuff is at the default settings, I think.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 9:15 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Interesting. Are you trying to install using:

fldigi-4.2.06_setup.exe

-which is the latest non-alpha or beta code?

1. Are you getting a blue pop-up screen trying to stop you?

2. Are you selecting 鈥淢ore options鈥� on that screen?

3. When you do that, do you get another blue screen that gives you the choice of backing out or selecting 鈥淚nstall anyway鈥�?

4. When you do the install anyway, you should get the standard Window UAC panel asking you to confirm installation- 5. If you say yes, you will next get the fldigi installer panel and can select some install options and complete the install.

6 If you don鈥檛 see that 鈥減ermissions鈥� panel in 4 above, then look to see if the window is minimized to your Taskbar and open it, then proceed.

听

Let us know where what you see deviates from that sequence. It should work unless you have a 3rd party security app and/or the Windows security stuff cranked up and blocking everything.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On Dec 11, 2024, at 20:30, Bob Morrow <bobmorrow@...> wrote:

听

锘�I don't see that at all.

听

They should make it a regular .zip file. The help files are, so the executable should be as well.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack 

Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:57 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result鈥� however, if you look in the taskbar ribbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.

If you don鈥檛 see it in the taskbar, check the task manager. Either way, you should be able to bring it up onscreen and tell it to finish the installation.

Jack - KD4IZ

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--
/i /b Jack Spitznagel, DDS PhD Science River LLC Parkton, MD /b /i

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/i /b Jack Spitznagel, DDS PhD Science River LLC Parkton, MD /b /i

Hello David,

Great thanks for all the work you've put into this new version!


Attached are my simulation results so far.


In a nutshell, there's light and shadow, as they say...


The 1st spreadsheet 'LinSim+PathSim_Comparison_Mid-Latitude_Disturbed_NVIS_THOR25_2024-12-12.xls' has a new 1st sheet 'PathSim NVIS THOR25 v4.2.06.15' which actually contains a LinSim and a PathSim result side by side.

While a LinSim created file returned the text flawlessly (!) twice, PathSim has produced even a few more errors than with the previous FLdigi test version v4.2.06.14.


For all simulations, I use the same definition, see 'T_LinSim+PathSim_Mid-Latitude_Disturbed_NVIS_AWGN_SNR_0dB_THOR25_1500Hz_2024-12-12.png', I hope that's correct.

When looking at the resulting average spectrum (ignoring the first and last about 5 seconds to stay well within the THOR25 signal), LinSim appears to produce a spectrum with about 1 dB less noise (I just selected the lowest and highest THOR25 frequency peak in both cases for the table), relative to the signal peaks. See the 2 screenshots made in Audacity. This doesn't appear that much, and I would not assume that this could explain the differences in the results.


In the 2nd sheet 'SNR LinSim NVIS THOR25 v.06.15', the SNR and FEC evaluation over time is shown for the LinSim result. It does look a lot less 'disturbed' than in the 3rd sheet.


In the 3rd sheet 'SNR PathSim NVIS THOR25 v.06.15', the same is evaluated for the PathSim result. It has more and partly higher FEC error rates than the LinSim result.
Also, the average SNR is 1 dB lower than in LinSim, which is in phase with the average Audacity results mentioned above.

=> So maybe better just give up on the PathSim method?


- - - - - -


An extra test and evaluation was run, using the same long DL0BS intro text, but a more severe scenario with AWGN set at -6 dB instead of the 'standard' 0 dB used before.

The results are shown in the 2nd attached spreadsheet 'U_LinSim_+_PathSim_Comparison_Mid-Latitude_Disturbed_NVIS_at_-6dB_AWGN_THOR25_vs_MFSK32_2024-12-12.xls'.

Unfortunately, despite the slower transfer speed in THOR25, the error rate turned out significantly higher than in the noticeably faster MFSK32 mode. Admittedly, for MFSK32, the best case was chosen, with no decoding center offset. But it will tolerate a few Hz up or down and still do the job.


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Well, I certainly cannot explain why there remains such a difference between the LinSim and PathSim methods that should, I would assume, produce nearly equivalent results. I do lean towards using LinSim from now on, but still have a tendency to test the PathSim result as well, just to have full comparability with any previous evaluations.

And, even more importantly, the difference between MFSK32 and THOR25 still puzzles and concerns me.


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Signal shaping: I have kept the '100' default and cosine-shaped ramps are present at both ends now. Brilliant!


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Increase AFC low pass filter range to 500: great, this really slows down the AFC speed!

But well, I just tried it, set at 500, on the 'severe' -6 dB MFSK track simulated earlier (in cont. loop), set it to 1506 and activated AFC.
After a little while, it started creeping toward 1500, but then it didn't stop (!) but continued moving off all the way to 1492 (still decoding!), and then slowly returned upwards, all the way up to 1509, before reversing again. It then went down until 1485, barely decoding any more, and then moved up again, quickly regaining the decoding threshold. And then further up beyond 1500 again. I hope this will be visible in the log file. As I type this, it has reached 1518 Hz and lost decoding again, yet still moving up...
Now beyond 1520 Hz, I'll stop the test shortly. Seconds later, at 1530 Hz, and still moving further up, I close FLdigi and look at the log file.
Yes, the logfile has tracked much of the variations (until decoding failed entirely), see 'MFSK32_AFC_Test_@...':

Unfortunately, this does not really look as if the AFC did, at least within certain offset limits, lock on to the signal in any way. But maybe, hopefully, with a received RSID and shorter messages, and a better signal, the slow AFC may help keep the offset at bay...?


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That wraps up my investigation for tonight, and I hope it's not too frustrating as a tester feedback...


Thanks again David!


73s Tobias
.-.-.

Am Donnerstag, 12. Dezember 2024 um 18:13:49 MEZ hat Dave <w1hkj@...> Folgendes geschrieben:

Posted at

Most recent three changes to the program:

commit ad817413f9d517a88b9156d48cc28f3a0b53c92c
Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>
Date:听听 Mon Dec 9 15:05:42 2024 -0600

听听听 MFSK afc
听听 听
听听听听听 * Increase AFC low pass filter range to 500.

commit 68e700918a9517b6825c94365037ae07fbb57fd3
Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>
Date:听听 Thu Dec 12 09:23:27 2024 -0600

听听听 THOR-25
听听 听
听听听听听 * add new THOR modem with following characteristics
听听听听听听听 . symlen = 320
听听听听听听听 . samplerate = 8000
听听听听听听听 . flushlength = 20
听听听听听听听 . bandwidth = 460
听听听听听听听 . IEEE coefficients for viterbi encode/decode algorithms
听听听听听听听听听 THOR_K15听 15
听听听听听听听听听 K15_POLY1 044735
听听听听听听听听听 K15_POLY2 063057
听听听听听听听 . objective to provide highest baud within 500 Hertz bandwidth for
听听听听听听听听听 European amateurs
听听听听听 * assigned secondary RsID code 691 to THOR-25
听听听听听 * increased flush length for all THOR baud rates
听听听听听 * added configurable start and end of signal shaping to these modem types:
听听听听听听听 . dominoEX
听听听听听听听 . psk
听听听听听听听 . mfsk
听听听听听听听 . rtty
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听听听听听听听 . selectable on configuration tab Modem/General

commit 8aa6a3ea07596d0c61e57462c8ffe1bae939339b
Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>
Date:听听 Wed Nov 27 15:49:26 2024 -0600

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听听听听听 * add configuration item allowing user to adjust the decay
听听听听听听听 averaging of the AFC tracking.

73, David
W1HKJ

The problem was not fixed by CCleaner or Revo. Others have had this problem so it is not limited to me (see: [email protected] | Double-clicking setup.exe does nothing)

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The way I see it, the problem is with the installer. If it was a normal .ZIP file, I doubt there would be any issues. Right-click it, select Extract All, run setup.exe, done.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 8:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

I second Bob (K4TAX) on CCleaner. It has saved my bacon many times when things get gnarly like your install woes.

Jack - KD4IZ

On 12/12/2024 5:29 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

I suggest one needs to "clean their computer".听听

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I use CCLeaner to scan for broken links, registry issues the results of programs being installed and then uninstalled.听 I find VERY OFTEN the uninstall application associated with a program will leave a good bit of trash on the system.听听听 The version I used is a paid version but the FREE version will likely do what is needed.听听听 Some say that CCleaner causes issues, well yes it can erase your entire hard-drive if you command it to do so.听听听听 But if it is used as intended and it is VERY simple and straight forward to use, it does wonders without damaging any files or applications.听听听 I've been using it for years, and doing regular computer maintenance, and experience ZERO issues with Windows 10 and any application including FLDIGI.

If you are NOT doing regular computer maintenance, thny you leave the door wide open for issues.

73

Bob, K4TAX

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On 12/12/2024 2:08 PM, Bob Morrow wrote:

I downloaded the latest, it still didn鈥檛 work. I did get the blue screen complaining about it being uncommon software (which I probably got with the earlier version and Windows simply remembered my answer on subsequent attempts to run it), said 鈥榬un anyway鈥�, got the UAC alert, then nothing.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

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Bob,

I will have to punt on this question now because I have never seen this behavior. I have 3 windows machines: 2 desktop (one 10 and one 11) and a laptop. They all work exactly the same way that I described.

As a last resort to try, I would use a software uninstaller like Revo, check to see if there is any trace of Fldigi anywhere - installation files, code, registry, or configuration files. Make sure you have not given fldigi some sort of application security permission if so revoke it. Eliminate all of remaining traces and reboot.听

Download the alpha setup that Dave used from: (fldigi-4.2.06.15_setup.exe)

Go through the install as Dave and I suggested and tell us if you see "better" behavior. After that I have no other suggestions. Dave might be aware of something else to try.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On 12/12/2024 10:50 AM, Bob Morrow wrote:

Yes, 4.2.06_setup.exe was what I used.

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The other questions:

1 - no

2, 3 - not getting that screen, so no. It goes straight to the Windows UAC prompt.

4 - Windows' UAC did show up, I clicked on Yes.

5 - I didn't see anything after the UAC prompt. Nothing.

6 - Taskbar is not minimized, ribbon is not minimized to the window. I didn't see anything. I do have the taskbar set to show up at the TOP of the screen, but that shouldn't matter.

7 - no aftermarket antivirus or other security stuff. All of the Windows security stuff is at the default settings, I think.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 9:15 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Interesting. Are you trying to install using:

fldigi-4.2.06_setup.exe

-which is the latest non-alpha or beta code?

1. Are you getting a blue pop-up screen trying to stop you?

2. Are you selecting 鈥淢ore options鈥� on that screen?

3. When you do that, do you get another blue screen that gives you the choice of backing out or selecting 鈥淚nstall anyway鈥�?

4. When you do the install anyway, you should get the standard Window UAC panel asking you to confirm installation- 5. If you say yes, you will next get the fldigi installer panel and can select some install options and complete the install.

6 If you don鈥檛 see that 鈥減ermissions鈥� panel in 4 above, then look to see if the window is minimized to your Taskbar and open it, then proceed.

听

Let us know where what you see deviates from that sequence. It should work unless you have a 3rd party security app and/or the Windows security stuff cranked up and blocking everything.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On Dec 11, 2024, at 20:30, Bob Morrow <bobmorrow@...> wrote:

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锘�I don't see that at all.

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They should make it a regular .zip file. The help files are, so the executable should be as well.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack 

Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:57 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result鈥� however, if you look in the taskbar ribbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.

If you don鈥檛 see it in the taskbar, check the task manager. Either way, you should be able to bring it up onscreen and tell it to finish the installation.

Jack - KD4IZ

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--
/i /b Jack Spitznagel, DDS PhD Science River LLC Parkton, MD /b /i

--
/i /b Jack Spitznagel, DDS PhD Science River LLC Parkton, MD /b /i

听

I second Bob (K4TAX) on CCleaner. It has saved my bacon many times when things get gnarly like your install woes.

Jack - KD4IZ

I suggest one needs to "clean their computer".听听

听

I use CCLeaner to scan for broken links, registry issues the results of programs being installed and then uninstalled.听 I find VERY OFTEN the uninstall application associated with a program will leave a good bit of trash on the system.听听听 The version I used is a paid version but the FREE version will likely do what is needed.听听听 Some say that CCleaner causes issues, well yes it can erase your entire hard-drive if you command it to do so.听听听听 But if it is used as intended and it is VERY simple and straight forward to use, it does wonders without damaging any files or applications.听听听 I've been using it for years, and doing regular computer maintenance, and experience ZERO issues with Windows 10 and any application including FLDIGI.

If you are NOT doing regular computer maintenance, thny you leave the door wide open for issues.

73

Bob, K4TAX

听

On 12/12/2024 2:08 PM, Bob Morrow wrote:

I downloaded the latest, it still didn鈥檛 work. I did get the blue screen complaining about it being uncommon software (which I probably got with the earlier version and Windows simply remembered my answer on subsequent attempts to run it), said 鈥榬un anyway鈥�, got the UAC alert, then nothing.

听

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

I will have to punt on this question now because I have never seen this behavior. I have 3 windows machines: 2 desktop (one 10 and one 11) and a laptop. They all work exactly the same way that I described.

As a last resort to try, I would use a software uninstaller like Revo, check to see if there is any trace of Fldigi anywhere - installation files, code, registry, or configuration files. Make sure you have not given fldigi some sort of application security permission if so revoke it. Eliminate all of remaining traces and reboot.听

Download the alpha setup that Dave used from: (fldigi-4.2.06.15_setup.exe)

Go through the install as Dave and I suggested and tell us if you see "better" behavior. After that I have no other suggestions. Dave might be aware of something else to try.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On 12/12/2024 10:50 AM, Bob Morrow wrote:

Yes, 4.2.06_setup.exe was what I used.

听

The other questions:

1 - no

2, 3 - not getting that screen, so no. It goes straight to the Windows UAC prompt.

4 - Windows' UAC did show up, I clicked on Yes.

5 - I didn't see anything after the UAC prompt. Nothing.

6 - Taskbar is not minimized, ribbon is not minimized to the window. I didn't see anything. I do have the taskbar set to show up at the TOP of the screen, but that shouldn't matter.

7 - no aftermarket antivirus or other security stuff. All of the Windows security stuff is at the default settings, I think.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 9:15 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Interesting. Are you trying to install using:

fldigi-4.2.06_setup.exe

-which is the latest non-alpha or beta code?

1. Are you getting a blue pop-up screen trying to stop you?

2. Are you selecting 鈥淢ore options鈥� on that screen?

3. When you do that, do you get another blue screen that gives you the choice of backing out or selecting 鈥淚nstall anyway鈥�?

4. When you do the install anyway, you should get the standard Window UAC panel asking you to confirm installation- 5. If you say yes, you will next get the fldigi installer panel and can select some install options and complete the install.

6 If you don鈥檛 see that 鈥減ermissions鈥� panel in 4 above, then look to see if the window is minimized to your Taskbar and open it, then proceed.

听

Let us know where what you see deviates from that sequence. It should work unless you have a 3rd party security app and/or the Windows security stuff cranked up and blocking everything.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On Dec 11, 2024, at 20:30, Bob Morrow <bobmorrow@...> wrote:

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锘�I don't see that at all.

听

They should make it a regular .zip file. The help files are, so the executable should be as well.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack 

Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:57 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result鈥� however, if you look in the taskbar ribbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.

If you don鈥檛 see it in the taskbar, check the task manager. Either way, you should be able to bring it up onscreen and tell it to finish the installation.

Jack - KD4IZ

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--
/i /b Jack Spitznagel, DDS PhD Science River LLC Parkton, MD /b /i

I downloaded the latest, it still didn鈥檛 work. I did get the blue screen complaining about it being uncommon software (which I probably got with the earlier version and Windows simply remembered my answer on subsequent attempts to run it), said 鈥榬un anyway鈥�, got the UAC alert, then nothing.

听

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

I will have to punt on this question now because I have never seen this behavior. I have 3 windows machines: 2 desktop (one 10 and one 11) and a laptop. They all work exactly the same way that I described.

As a last resort to try, I would use a software uninstaller like Revo, check to see if there is any trace of Fldigi anywhere - installation files, code, registry, or configuration files. Make sure you have not given fldigi some sort of application security permission if so revoke it. Eliminate all of remaining traces and reboot.听

Download the alpha setup that Dave used from: (fldigi-4.2.06.15_setup.exe)

Go through the install as Dave and I suggested and tell us if you see "better" behavior. After that I have no other suggestions. Dave might be aware of something else to try.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On 12/12/2024 10:50 AM, Bob Morrow wrote:

Yes, 4.2.06_setup.exe was what I used.

听

The other questions:

1 - no

2, 3 - not getting that screen, so no. It goes straight to the Windows UAC prompt.

4 - Windows' UAC did show up, I clicked on Yes.

5 - I didn't see anything after the UAC prompt. Nothing.

6 - Taskbar is not minimized, ribbon is not minimized to the window. I didn't see anything. I do have the taskbar set to show up at the TOP of the screen, but that shouldn't matter.

7 - no aftermarket antivirus or other security stuff. All of the Windows security stuff is at the default settings, I think.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 9:15 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Interesting. Are you trying to install using:

fldigi-4.2.06_setup.exe

-which is the latest non-alpha or beta code?

1. Are you getting a blue pop-up screen trying to stop you?

2. Are you selecting 鈥淢ore options鈥� on that screen?

3. When you do that, do you get another blue screen that gives you the choice of backing out or selecting 鈥淚nstall anyway鈥�?

4. When you do the install anyway, you should get the standard Window UAC panel asking you to confirm installation- 5. If you say yes, you will next get the fldigi installer panel and can select some install options and complete the install.

6 If you don鈥檛 see that 鈥減ermissions鈥� panel in 4 above, then look to see if the window is minimized to your Taskbar and open it, then proceed.

听

Let us know where what you see deviates from that sequence. It should work unless you have a 3rd party security app and/or the Windows security stuff cranked up and blocking everything.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On Dec 11, 2024, at 20:30, Bob Morrow <bobmorrow@...> wrote:

听

锘�I don't see that at all.

听

They should make it a regular .zip file. The help files are, so the executable should be as well.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack 

Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:57 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result鈥� however, if you look in the taskbar ribbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.

If you don鈥檛 see it in the taskbar, check the task manager. Either way, you should be able to bring it up onscreen and tell it to finish the installation.

Jack - KD4IZ

听

听

听

听

听

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听

听

听

听

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听

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--
/i /b Jack Spitznagel, DDS PhD Science River LLC Parkton, MD /b /i

听

Bob,

I will have to punt on this question now because I have never seen this behavior. I have 3 windows machines: 2 desktop (one 10 and one 11) and a laptop. They all work exactly the same way that I described.

As a last resort to try, I would use a software uninstaller like Revo, check to see if there is any trace of Fldigi anywhere - installation files, code, registry, or configuration files. Make sure you have not given fldigi some sort of application security permission if so revoke it. Eliminate all of remaining traces and reboot.听

Download the alpha setup that Dave used from: (fldigi-4.2.06.15_setup.exe)

Yes, 4.2.06_setup.exe was what I used.

听

The other questions:

1 - no

2, 3 - not getting that screen, so no. It goes straight to the Windows UAC prompt.

4 - Windows' UAC did show up, I clicked on Yes.

5 - I didn't see anything after the UAC prompt. Nothing.

6 - Taskbar is not minimized, ribbon is not minimized to the window. I didn't see anything. I do have the taskbar set to show up at the TOP of the screen, but that shouldn't matter.

7 - no aftermarket antivirus or other security stuff. All of the Windows security stuff is at the default settings, I think.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 9:15 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Interesting. Are you trying to install using:

fldigi-4.2.06_setup.exe

-which is the latest non-alpha or beta code?

1. Are you getting a blue pop-up screen trying to stop you?

2. Are you selecting 鈥淢ore options鈥� on that screen?

3. When you do that, do you get another blue screen that gives you the choice of backing out or selecting 鈥淚nstall anyway鈥�?

4. When you do the install anyway, you should get the standard Window UAC panel asking you to confirm installation- 5. If you say yes, you will next get the fldigi installer panel and can select some install options and complete the install.

6 If you don鈥檛 see that 鈥減ermissions鈥� panel in 4 above, then look to see if the window is minimized to your Taskbar and open it, then proceed.

听

Let us know where what you see deviates from that sequence. It should work unless you have a 3rd party security app and/or the Windows security stuff cranked up and blocking everything.

听

Jack - KD4IZ

On Dec 11, 2024, at 20:30, Bob Morrow <bobmorrow@...> wrote:

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锘�I don't see that at all.

听

They should make it a regular .zip file. The help files are, so the executable should be as well.

听

-----Original Message-----

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack 

Spitznagel (KD4IZ)

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:57 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

听

Bob,

On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result鈥� however, if you look in the taskbar ribbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.

If you don鈥檛 see it in the taskbar, check the task manager. Either way, you should be able to bring it up onscreen and tell it to finish the installation.

Jack - KD4IZ

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听

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Yes, 4.2.06_setup.exe was what I used.

The other questions:
1 - no
2, 3 - not getting that screen, so no. It goes straight to the Windows UAC prompt.
4 - Windows' UAC did show up, I clicked on Yes.
5 - I didn't see anything after the UAC prompt. Nothing.
6 - Taskbar is not minimized, ribbon is not minimized to the window. I didn't see anything. I do have the taskbar set to show up at the TOP of the screen, but that shouldn't matter.
7 - no aftermarket antivirus or other security stuff. All of the Windows security stuff is at the default settings, I think.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 9:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

Interesting. Are you trying to install using:
fldigi-4.2.06_setup.exe
-which is the latest non-alpha or beta code?
1. Are you getting a blue pop-up screen trying to stop you?
2. Are you selecting 鈥淢ore options鈥� on that screen?
3. When you do that, do you get another blue screen that gives you the choice of backing out or selecting 鈥淚nstall anyway鈥�?
4. When you do the install anyway, you should get the standard Window UAC panel asking you to confirm installation- 5. If you say yes, you will next get the fldigi installer panel and can select some install options and complete the install.
6 If you don鈥檛 see that 鈥減ermissions鈥� panel in 4 above, then look to see if the window is minimized to your Taskbar and open it, then proceed.

Let us know where what you see deviates from that sequence. It should work unless you have a 3rd party security app and/or the Windows security stuff cranked up and blocking everything.

Jack - KD4IZ

On Dec 11, 2024, at 20:30, Bob Morrow <bobmorrow@...> wrote:

锘縄 don't see that at all.

They should make it a regular .zip file. The help files are, so the executable should be as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack 
Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

Bob,
On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result鈥� however, if you look in the taskbar ribbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.
If you don鈥檛 see it in the taskbar, check the task manager. Either way, you should be able to bring it up onscreen and tell it to finish the installation.
Jack - KD4IZ

On Dec 11, 2024, at 20:30, Bob Morrow <bobmorrow@...> wrote:

锘縄 don't see that at all.

They should make it a regular .zip file. The help files are, so the executable should be as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jack
Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] double-clicking setup.exe does nothing

Bob,
On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result鈥� however, if you look in the taskbar ribbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.
If you don鈥檛 see it in the taskbar, check the task manager. Either way, you should be able to bring it up onscreen and tell it to finish the installation.
Jack - KD4IZ

Bob,
On both my Win11 box and my now deprecated Win10 box I get the same 鈥渁pparent鈥� result� however, if you look in the taskbar riibbon, you will see an icon for the minimized installer waiting for you to OK the installation.

Now, why isn't the fldigi Windows file a 'normal' .ZIP file?