Re: Starting help and question...

#192126

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Electrical connections can be protected with di-electric silicone ignition grease.

It protects by insulating bare metal from moisture and air.

A thin coat can be applied to the separate components, then assembled -or- just applied after assembly.

An acid brush is an easy way to apply.

I use it on old and new vehicles.

Battery posts, frame grounds, and lamp bases if you have a problem with moisture getting inside of lenses.

As others stated, you have to start with surfaces clean of paint and corrosion.

Good luck with your project! – Joe

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Re: Starting help and question…..

#192125

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And also can I get a checklist of areas to check for paint/corrosion removal for grounds? I know of braided wire on battery tray/engine and battery cable corrosion……but I’d bet there are several others I may have missed…..thanks, Mike

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On May 18, 2021, at 9:40 PM, Ted McCann <mccannrealty@...> wrote:

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Hi Phillip,
Just a question regarding your suggestion to clean the metal for best electrical contact.? I am getting the lights working on my truck and have a question. For example, if you are removing paint from where say the light bracket attaches to the truck bed. Isn't the spot where the burnished pieces meet going to be more?susceptible?to corrosion? Is there a way to insure good electrical contact while guarding against corrosion?
Thanks
Ted

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:49 PM Philip Cusimano <MadDogFife@...> wrote:
Make sure all metal-to-metal contact areas are clean! Any paint or primer will impede electrical flow! Burnish everything! Sometimes when we restore, we tend to paint the hell out of everything to make it pretty, which is commendable, but the electrical contacts have to be clean metal! Just a thought! Good luck! -Dr.Phil

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192124

Hi Phillip,

Just a question regarding your suggestion to clean the metal for best electrical contact.? I am getting the lights working on my truck and have a question. For example, if you are removing paint from where say the light bracket attaches to the truck bed. Isn't the spot where the burnished pieces meet going to be more?susceptible?to corrosion? Is there a way to insure good electrical contact while guarding against corrosion?

Thanks

Ted

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On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:49 PM Philip Cusimano <MadDogFife@...> wrote:

Make sure all metal-to-metal contact areas are clean! Any paint or primer will impede electrical flow! Burnish everything! Sometimes when we restore, we tend to paint the hell out of everything to make it pretty, which is commendable, but the electrical contacts have to be clean metal! Just a thought! Good luck! -Dr.Phil

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192123

Make sure all metal-to-metal contact areas are clean! Any paint or primer will impede electrical flow! Burnish everything! Sometimes when we restore, we tend to paint the hell out of everything to make it pretty, which is commendable, but the electrical contacts have to be clean metal! Just a thought! Good luck! -Dr.Phil

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192122

The last time l had a no start like you describe it was the timing. Try turning the distributor a little bit.

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On May 17, 2021 at 9:22 AM, Richard Needham <flappy59@...> wrote:

The valves are in the block. How are they going to hit the pistons?
Rich

On May 17, 2021, at 12:46 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:

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Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.

On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:

SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..

Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry

On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via <Cpezdog911=[email protected]> wrote:

?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192121

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Thanks for all your responses!!!! I’ll start by charging battery for a couple hours then removing plugs to hand crank. Starter should be good…..after rebuild he started the engine(I believe w/quick 12 volt jump) via my starter…….will update on any progress. Thanks again…..this message board has REALLY benefitted me thru these years of restoration……. Even though our numbers of posts have slowed, it’s great to know help is a touchscreen away……thanks again,Mike

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On May 17, 2021, at 10:04 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:

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They won't I was mistaken.

On May 17, 2021 6:22 AM, Richard Needham <flappy59@...> wrote:
The valves are in the block. How are they going to hit the pistons?
Rich

On May 17, 2021, at 12:46 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:

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Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.

On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:

SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..

Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry

On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via <Cpezdog911=[email protected]> wrote:

?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192120

They won't I was mistaken.

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On May 17, 2021 6:22 AM, Richard Needham <flappy59@...> wrote:

The valves are in the block. How are they going to hit the pistons?
Rich

On May 17, 2021, at 12:46 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:

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Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.

On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:

SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..

Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry

On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via <Cpezdog911=[email protected]> wrote:

?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192119

Rebuilt and or new parts could still be problematic.? I've been down that road before where that new or rebuilt part was defective and overlooked because it was supposedly "good" only to find it defective later.

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192118

Have you checked the battery with a load tester?? You could show 6 volts, but still have a low charge, if you don't have a load tester try charging it for a couple of hours and then try.? Also as others have said, pull the spark plugs and try to turn over the engine by hand, I have had cases where the mains were too tight when torqued to spec.? You could also remove the starter and test it out of the vehicle to check if it works correctly.?

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192117

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The valves are in the block. How are they going to hit the pistons?

Rich

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On May 17, 2021, at 12:46 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:

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Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.

On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:

SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..

Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry

On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via <Cpezdog911=[email protected]> wrote:

?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192116

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You can jump it with a 12v battery, won’t hurt anything. The only gauge that is 6v should be the fuel gauge.

However a good 6v system should spin that 134 over with no problem, you have a bad battery, starter or poor connections.

I swapped out my lights and coil and ran my 6v starter on 12v for years with no issues.

Rich

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On May 16, 2021, at 11:53 PM, jeepeers85213 via groups.io <bilwilm@...> wrote:

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SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..

Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry

On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via groups.io <Cpezdog911@...> wrote:

?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192115

Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.

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On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:

SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..

Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry

On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via <Cpezdog911=[email protected]> wrote:

?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192114

SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..

Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry

On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via groups.io <Cpezdog911@...> wrote:

?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Re: Starting help and question…..

#192113

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Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry

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On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via groups.io <Cpezdog911@...> wrote:

?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Starting help and question…..

#192112

46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike

Re: Know of a place I might find a used 57 Wagon Transfer Case?

#192111

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Don’t forget to fill the trans with oil, 90 wt.

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On May 13, 2021, at 9:43 PM, AWORKOFMARC <marcwhittemore@...> wrote:

One step closer! Last piece needed (throw out bearing) was sourced today.

New transfer case, transmission rebuilt... new clutch, undid all the old muckery the idiots junked up before... 4 sets of leaf springs all around. Almost ready toooooool<Resized_20210513_191530.jpeg><Resized_20210513_191530.jpeg><Resized_20210513_191526.jpeg>.....

To drive it to the interior people. lol. What a wonderful way to throw money in the pit. lolol

Re: Know of a place I might find a used 57 Wagon Transfer Case?

#192110

One step closer! Last piece needed (throw out bearing) was sourced today.

New transfer case, transmission rebuilt... new clutch, undid all the old muckery the idiots junked up before... 4 sets of leaf springs all around. Almost ready toooooool

.....

To drive it to the interior people. lol. What a wonderful way to throw money in the pit. lolol

Re: Know of a place I might find a used 57 Wagon Transfer Case?

#192109

Words of wisdom my friend. Words of wisdom.
I humbly thank you.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
willyswagon230
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 11:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Know of a place I might find a used 57 Wagon
Transfer Case?

Clearly, you've had some bad luck with your transmission.  Yes, I have a T90
and D18 T-case you could have but live much too far away during this
pandemic to be of use.
Permit me to give a little assurance... there are good people, even
competent mechanics out there, but they are very old, and far between now.
Herm-the-Overdrive- Guy does good work but he's in Washington State, a
thousand miles from LA.  I've found that I can do much of the mechanical
work myself, but it takes a very long time - do the pictures indicate you
have a useable transmission now?
I'm sure you know that we are approaching the end of an era with these old
vehicles - there's plenty of problems with the new designs of course (my son
is trying to source a replacement battery for his Leaf... Nissan doesn't
want to sell replacements and so one has to "scrounge").

All the best of luck.  Pavel up north.

Re: Know of a place I might find a used 57 Wagon Transfer Case?

#192108

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Sparkling!?

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On May 6, 2021, at 10:59 AM, mike via groups.io <hp9@...> wrote:

?Does anyone know if a transmission floor cover off a cj- will fit a 48 willys pickup?

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:51 AM, Ted McCann
<mccannrealty@...> wrote:

Thanks for posting about Willys truck warehouse, never knew it existed. Need some body work done on my ‘59.?
Hopefully they do good work and are good to deal with.
Ted

On May 6, 2021, at 10:22 AM, AWORKOFMARC <marcwhittemore@...> wrote:

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Just to circle back… Had a ton of work just done with transmission and transfer case. Turns out the both the $%$*#!@ mechanics that worked on it previously were more tinker toy scam mechanics than anything.? Lots of $$$4 lost :(

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Los Angeles is nothing but scum, bums, actor wanna bes and homeless. God I need outta here. </rant>

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But thought this might be appreciated. Me and my current old school mechanic decided electric orange might be nice ---LOL. Flashy ay?

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Re: Know of a place I might find a used 57 Wagon Transfer Case?

#192107

Clearly, you've had some bad luck with your transmission.  Yes, I have a T90 and D18 T-case you could have but live much too far away during this pandemic to be of use.
Permit me to give a little assurance... there are good people, even competent mechanics out there, but they are very old, and far between now.  Herm-the-Overdrive- Guy does good work but he's in Washington State, a thousand miles from LA.  I've found that I can do much of the mechanical work myself, but it takes a very long time - do the pictures indicate you have a useable transmission now?
I'm sure you know that we are approaching the end of an era with these old vehicles - there's plenty of problems with the new designs of course (my son is trying to source a replacement battery for his Leaf... Nissan doesn't want to sell replacements and so one has to "scrounge").

All the best of luck.  Pavel up north.