Re: Selling a sort-of-small layout
Tom K --- I'm not a potential customer; just want to? comment on the nice work you've done.?? Your images are useful to me since my current effort in HOn3 has a similar theme.? So I'm especially interested in the general appearance and coloration of your scenery and also the way you've used what looks like the well known Walthers printed backdrops.? ... Ed Weldon (Los Gatos Summit, CA)
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Selling a sort-of-small layout
Gang, I am selling one of my several layouts to make more room for a specific model railroading interest. You can view it on eBay at this item number: 123204731197 Tom K. ?
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Just set up multiple groups as you did on yahoo.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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1a. Re: It's not that simple....
From: Kennedy How
1b. Files and photos transfer to io groups
From: Darryl Huffman
1c. Re: It's not that simple....
From: genetk44ca
1d. Re: It's not that simple....
From: thomasknapp@...
1e. Re: It's not that simple....
From: Archibald Campbell
2a. Adding to Photo section
From: chfengr.elkhornforge
2b. Re: Adding to Photo section
From: oztrainz
2c. Re: Adding to Photo section
From: oztrainz
2d. Re: Adding to Photo section
From: chfengr.elkhornforge
2e. Re: Adding to Photo section
From: oztrainz
2f. Re: Adding to Photo section
From: chfengr.elkhornforge
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1a. Re: It's not that simple....
Posted by: "Kennedy How" howler37@... howling01
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:04 pm ((PDT))
John Garaty wrote:
> In summary, there are approximately 154Mb of filles and just over 1Gb of photos used across all the related Small Layout Design groups. This is over the top for a "standard". Yahoo Group's storage limits in the Files area. But It looks like this particular group has "enhanced" storage limits somehow that someone probably has paid for?.
One of the other lists I'm on, PCL I think, was worried about file
sizes. I think the issue was the images/photos as well, many were of
original size. I believe that list owner found out that he could resize
all the images down from, say, a 3-4MB, down to something a lot less,
like maybe a couple hundred KB. Or less.
So the size of images may not be that big of an issue.
Another alternative that I've seen suggested is to move the posts and
the like to IO, and maybe one of the files. Leave the photos here if we
really want huge image files. Otherwise, shrink them and move them to IO.
Kennedy
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1b. Files and photos transfer to io groups
Posted by: "Darryl Huffman" darrylhuffman@... darrylhuffman
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:20 pm ((PDT))
When the group owner opens an io group he can transfer all the files, photos, members, messages and so on at the click of a button.
The group owner can set it so that all the photos and files are changed to lower sizes automatically.
So many photos in yahoo groups are huge and way beyond what is needed.
So there is plenty of capacity in the new group at io.
I have transferred several groups and everyone loves the much improved experience.?Darryl Huffmandarrylhuffman@...
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Remember, without closets, model manufacturers would never be profitable.
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1c. Re: It's not that simple....
Posted by: genetk44@... genetk44ca
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:34 am ((PDT))
the like to IO, and maybe one of the files. Leave the photos here if we
really want huge image fiLes.>
The one issue I could see with that is if Yahoo suddenly decides to close the Groups feature down with very little or no warning...then we take a chance of completely losing anything we leave behind.
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1d. Re: It's not that simple....
Posted by: thomasknapp@... thomasknapp@...
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:09 am ((PDT))
I think everyone is unduly freaking out. The process is simple and seamless, the Groups.io site is easy to use, the files and photos are all organized logically and simply, and the Yahoo Group stays intact (until Yahoo completely does away with them.) If no one likes the new Groups.io, it can be abandoned.
For me, Facebook is a non-starter.
Tom K.
From: small-layout-design@... design@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:08 AM
To: small-layout-design@...
Subject: [small-layout-design] Re: It's not that simple....
the like to IO, and maybe one of the files. Leave the photos here if we
really want huge image fiLes.>
The one issue I could see with that is if Yahoo suddenly decides to close the Groups feature down with very little or no warning...then we take a chance of completely losing anything we leave behind.
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1e. Re: It's not that simple....
Posted by: "Archibald Campbell" fdonmedway@... fdonmedway
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:43 pm ((PDT))
I once wrote a number of articles which were published on the internet. The publisher gave me a ceiling of 150k but I frequently found 15k to suffice. My target is double the definition (ie 0.5pixel size) at 100%. Most people include photographs at full size, possibly cropped to include the unseen part. Small size is less important now but why use unseen material.
Archie
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From: small-layout-design@... design@...> on behalf of Kennedy How howler37@... [small-layout-design] design@...>
Sent: 19 June 2018 05:04:39
To: small-layout
Subject: [small-layout-design] Re: It's not that simple....
John Garaty wrote:
> In summary, there are approximately 154Mb of filles and just over 1Gb of photos used across all the related Small Layout Design groups. This is over the top for a "standard". Yahoo Group's storage limits in the Files area. But It looks like this particular group has "enhanced" storage limits somehow that someone probably has paid for?.
One of the other lists I'm on, PCL I think, was worried about file
sizes. I think the issue was the images/photos as well, many were of
original size. I believe that list owner found out that he could resize
all the images down from, say, a 3-4MB, down to something a lot less,
like maybe a couple hundred KB. Or less.
So the size of images may not be that big of an issue.
Another alternative that I've seen suggested is to move the posts and
the like to IO, and maybe one of the files. Leave the photos here if we
really want huge image files. Otherwise, shrink them and move them to IO.
Kennedy
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2a. Adding to Photo section
Posted by: 23.weldon@... chfengr.elkhornforge
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:01 pm ((PDT))
Figuring the group faces an questionable future I tried to upload an image of a 24 x 48 HOn3 layout I designed and may yet live to build. That happened about 3:40 pm PDT today, Tuesday, 6/19/18. It said it uploaded but I still don't see it. Is there sometimes a time lapse before uploaded images to the group's photo section appear? Hasn't happened in the past. ..... Ed Weldon
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2b. Re: Adding to Photo section
Posted by: jkgaraty@... oztrainz
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:44 pm ((PDT))
Hi Ed, The photo upload process is now a 2-stage process . After uploading shows as complete, you need to click the "Post" button.
Regards,
John Garaty
Unanderra in oz
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2c. Re: Adding to Photo section
Posted by: jkgaraty@... oztrainz
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:26 pm ((PDT))
HI Ed, Looks like Photos on this group might be broken. I just tried to add a photo to one of my albums. It looked like a successful posting but the photo hasn't made it to the album after 15 minutes.
Checking dates on photos, it looks like nothing has been added to the Photos area since November last year. It is most improbable that someone hasn't tried to add a photo to the Photos area since then..
I'm wondering if there is a residual setting from when Photos on this group was limited to 40Mb that is preventing photos being posted to this group?
Curiouser and Curiouser,
Regards, John Garaty
Unanderra in oz
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2d. Re: Adding to Photo section
Posted by: 23.weldon@... chfengr.elkhornforge
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:51 pm ((PDT))
John - I tried your way and it didn't work. On to plan B. Ed
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2e. Re: Adding to Photo section
Posted by: jkgaraty@... oztrainz
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:19 pm ((PDT))
Hi Ed and all, Trying this to see if attachments work as a way to get new photos viewable here. Looks like Attachments might work - my Jaxcillest Enterprises minimal hoist & dump "layout" as displayed at the Pasadena Narrow-Gauge Convention in 2013. - battery powered with mini-mp3 player.
PS I successfully uploaded 9 similar-sized photos to another Yahoo Group that I moderate - Time after pressing "Post Photos" to being visible in my album in the Photos area was under 30 seconds. Could one of the Admins please check and advise if the settings on this group allow members to post photos to be posted to the Photos area?
Thanks & Regards,
John Garaty
Unanderra in oz
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2f. Re: Adding to Photo section
Posted by: 23.weldon@... chfengr.elkhornforge
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:47 pm ((PDT))
Thanks, John. I missed something here. I give up till some time later.
Why is is that every time you try to do something useful you have to solve a riddle first? I think this all started the day the IBM engineers decided to put the on-off switch on the back of their new PC rather than the front.
Ed Weldon
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Re: Adding to Photo section [1 Attachment]
Inserting photographs into your e-mail post is one of the things that works flawlessly on Groups.io Just sayin’….. Tom K. ? From: small-layout-design@... Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 8:19 PM
To: small-layout-design@...
Subject: [small-layout-design] Re: Adding to Photo section [1 Attachment] ? ? [Attachment(s) from jkgaraty@... [small-layout-design] included below] Hi Ed and all,? Trying this to see if attachments work as a way to get new photos viewable here. Looks like Attachments might work - my Jaxcillest Enterprises minimal hoist & dump "layout" as displayed at the Pasadena Narrow-Gauge Convention in 2013. - battery powered with mini-mp3 player. PS I successfully uploaded 9 similar-sized photos to another Yahoo Group that I moderate - Time after pressing "Post Photos" to being visible in my album in the Photos area was under 30 seconds. Could one of the Admins please check and advise if the settings on this group allow members to post photos to be posted to the Photos area?
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Re: Adding to Photo section
Hi Ed and all, Looks like Attachments no longer work, but an attachment was added in March this year. From memory attachments have been always disabled on this group for longer than I've been a member (early 2000's or so).?
So as a test - I went to the Files Area, created a folder "Oztrainz Test" and was able to add the same photo I was trying to add successfully as a jpg file inside the folder. I de-selected "Notify Members" (so that's why no-one will see a notification of the photo being added). After viewing the photo, I was able to delete the photo and the folder that I had added to the Files area to return the Files area to as it was before my test upload. Test successful. 
At present it looks like the only way to show a photo to group members is to add it to the Files area (probably preferably in your own folder titled for either for yourself or your layout). Note: - I reduced the size of the photo to 800 by 600 pixels before uploading, This reduced the original 5Mb file from my camera to just over 200kb or 1/25 of the storage required for the full-size jpg file, but still gave a photo suitable for viewing on my laptop screen..?
Hopefully this might be a way forward for Ed.? Regards, John Garaty Unanderra in oz
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Re: Adding to Photo section
Thanks, John.? I missed something here. I give up till some time later. Why is is that every time you try to do something useful you have to solve a riddle first?? I think this all started the day the IBM engineers decided to put the on-off switch on the back of their new PC rather than the front. Ed Weldon
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Re: Adding to Photo section
Hi Ed and all,? Trying this to see if attachments work as a way to get new photos viewable here. Looks like Attachments might work - my Jaxcillest Enterprises minimal hoist & dump "layout" as displayed at the Pasadena Narrow-Gauge Convention in 2013. - battery powered with mini-mp3 player.
PS I successfully uploaded 9 similar-sized photos to another Yahoo Group that I moderate - Time after pressing "Post Photos" to being visible in my album in the Photos area was under 30 seconds. Could one of the Admins please check and advise if the settings on this group allow members to post photos to be posted to the Photos area?
Thanks & Regards, John Garaty Unanderra in oz?
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Re: Adding to Photo section
John - I tried your way and it didn't work. On to plan B.??? Ed
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Re: Adding to Photo section
HI Ed, Looks like Photos on this group might be broken. I just tried to add a photo to one of my albums. It looked like a successful posting but the photo hasn't made it to the album after 15 minutes.
Checking dates on photos, it looks like nothing has been added to the Photos area since November last year. It is most improbable that someone hasn't tried to add a photo to the Photos area since then..?
I'm wondering if there is a residual setting from when Photos on this group was limited to 40Mb that is preventing photos being posted to this group?
Curiouser and Curiouser, Regards, John Garaty Unanderra in oz?
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Re: Adding to Photo section
Hi Ed,? The photo upload process is now a 2-stage process . After uploading shows as complete, you need to click the "Post" button. Regards, John Garaty Unanderra in oz
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Figuring the group faces an questionable future I tried to upload an image of a 24 x 48 HOn3 layout I designed and may yet live to build.? That happened about 3:40 pm PDT today, Tuesday, 6/19/18.? It said it uploaded but I still don't see it.? Is there sometimes a time lapse before uploaded images to the group's photo section appear?? Hasn't happened in the past.? ..... Ed Weldon
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Re: It's not that simple....
I once wrote a number of articles which were published on the internet. The publisher gave me a ceiling of 150k but I frequently found 15k to suffice. My target is double the definition (ie 0.5pixel size) at 100%. Most
people include photographs at full size, possibly cropped to include the unseen part. Small size is less important now but why use unseen material.
Archie
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From: small-layout-design@... on behalf of Kennedy How howler37@... [small-layout-design]
Sent: 19 June 2018 05:04:39
To: small-layout
Subject: [small-layout-design] Re: It's not that simple....
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John Garaty wrote:
> In summary, there are approximately 154Mb of filles and just over 1Gb of photos used across all the related Small Layout Design groups. This is over the top for a "standard". Yahoo Group's storage limits in the Files area. But It looks like this particular
group has "enhanced" storage limits somehow that someone probably has paid for?.
One of the other lists I'm on, PCL I think, was worried about file
sizes. I think the issue was the images/photos as well, many were of
original size. I believe that list owner found out that he could resize
all the images down from, say, a 3-4MB, down to something a lot less,
like maybe a couple hundred KB. Or less.
So the size of images may not be that big of an issue.
Another alternative that I've seen suggested is to move the posts and
the like to IO, and maybe one of the files. Leave the photos here if we
really want huge image files. Otherwise, shrink them and move them to IO.
Kennedy
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Re: It's not that simple....
I think everyone is unduly freaking out. The process is simple and seamless, the Groups.io site is easy to use, the files and photos are all organized logically and simply, and the Yahoo Group stays intact (until Yahoo completely does away with them.) If no one likes the new Groups.io, it can be abandoned. For me, Facebook is a non-starter. Tom K. ? ?
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From: small-layout-design@... Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:08 AM To: small-layout-design@... Subject: [small-layout-design] Re: It's not that simple.... ? ? the like to IO, and maybe one of the files. Leave the photos here if we?
really want huge image fiLes.> The one issue I could see with that is if Yahoo suddenly decides to close the Groups feature down with very little or no warning...then we take a chance of completely losing anything we leave behind.
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Re: It's not that simple....
<Another alternative that I've seen suggested is to move the posts and?the like to IO, and maybe one of the files. Leave the photos here if we?really want huge image fiLes.>
The one issue I could see with that is if Yahoo suddenly decides to close the Groups feature down with very little or no warning...then we take a chance of completely losing anything we leave behind.
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Files and photos transfer to io groups
When the group owner opens an io group he can transfer all the files, photos, members, messages and so on at the click of a button.
The group owner can set it so that all the photos and files are changed to lower sizes automatically.
So many photos in yahoo groups are huge and way beyond what is needed.
So there is plenty of capacity in the new group at io.
I have transferred several groups and everyone loves the much improved experience. ? Darryl Huffman darrylhuffman@...
You can follow my model building career on my blog at:
http://ghosttownmodels.blogspot.com/
Remember, without closets, model manufacturers would never be profitable.
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Re: It's not that simple....
John Garaty wrote: In summary, there are approximately 154Mb of filles and just over 1Gb of photos used across all the related Small Layout Design groups. This is over the top for a "standard". Yahoo Group's storage limits in the Files area. But It looks like this particular group has "enhanced" storage limits somehow that someone probably has paid for?. One of the other lists I'm on, PCL I think, was worried about file sizes. I think the issue was the images/photos as well, many were of original size. I believe that list owner found out that he could resize all the images down from, say, a 3-4MB, down to something a lot less, like maybe a couple hundred KB. Or less. So the size of images may not be that big of an issue. Another alternative that I've seen suggested is to move the posts and the like to IO, and maybe one of the files. Leave the photos here if we really want huge image files. Otherwise, shrink them and move them to IO. Kennedy
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My feeling is (if it can be done) is to place the photos and files in a repository of some sort e.g Flicker or similar Then you can link from Groups.io or whatever platform is in current use, the files and photos become future proof.
This way only the discussion/meeting platform requires changing as technology moves on.(this is the current situation with this group)
This is done in online teaching, having gone through a number of platform changes, having the photos and files hosted elsewhere was very handy.
kind regards
Steve (Tasmania, Australia)
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Sent: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 08:56:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Group dead.
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As I have stated before moving this group to groups.io is not
without its challenges.? The volume of photos and files exceeds
the space allowed on groups.io so some trimming would be required
and setting up a couple of groups on groups.io to handle
everything.? Some of this I have started.
The auxiliary file groups would not be a problem to transfer.? If
the owner wants to make the move it can be done.
Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group
Hi
John,
Well
from my experience the entire process is painless.
Everything
stays the same and the user does not have to do anything.
Very
little effort is required by the owner of the group either.
Groups.io
do all the hard work and transfer all the files.
The
users get an email stating that the group will be moving and
once moved another email to say that it has now moved..
The
user can then log on and all the emails are sent to whatever
email address was used by Yahoo
?
It’s
all in the hands of the owner.
?
Cheers
Chris
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Re: A small layout in the Turntable
Viewed the Utube video suggested - no TT.?? What am I missing?
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Jude in Choo Chootown
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Turntable is the name of the magazine.
The article was about a small layout.
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Donald
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Hi Bruce, On the files transfer front, I do know that Groups.io condense photo’s by “n” I am not sure what “n” is but I didn’t notice any difference in quality or clarity between the two from either site. One of the site I use had a pretty full directory on Yahoo but has stacks of room on .io. Just my observations expressed, I am no expert just a humble happy user who has a few problems logging/signing in on Yahoo. Cheers Chris ? ?
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To: small-layout-design@...
Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Group dead.? ? As I have stated before moving this group to groups.io is not without its challenges.? The volume of photos and files exceeds the space allowed on groups.io so some trimming would be required and setting up a couple of groups on groups.io to handle everything.? Some of this I have started. The auxiliary file groups would not be a problem to transfer.? If the owner wants to make the move it can be done. Bruce Wilson Barrie, Ontario, Canada Life Member??? NMRA Member??? Scale 7 Group??? Gauge 0 Guild ?7mmNGA Member Bird Studies Canada?? Ontario Bird Banding Association Brereton Field Naturalists' Club? Simcoe County Banding Group Hi John, Well from my experience the entire process is painless. Everything stays the same and the user does not have to do anything. Very little effort is required by the owner of the group either. Groups.io do all the hard work and transfer all the files. The users get an email stating that the group will be moving and once moved another email to say that it has now moved.. The user can then log on and all the emails are sent to whatever email address was used by Yahoo ? It’s all in the hands of the owner. ? Cheers Chris
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As I have stated before moving this group to groups.io is not
without its challenges.? The volume of photos and files exceeds
the space allowed on groups.io so some trimming would be required
and setting up a couple of groups on groups.io to handle
everything.? Some of this I have started.
The auxiliary file groups would not be a problem to transfer.? If
the owner wants to make the move it can be done.
Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
Member Scale 7 Group Gauge 0 Guild 7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club Simcoe County Banding Group
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Show quoted text
Hi
John,
Well
from my experience the entire process is painless.
Everything
stays the same and the user does not have to do anything.
Very
little effort is required by the owner of the group either.
Groups.io
do all the hard work and transfer all the files.
The
users get an email stating that the group will be moving and
once moved another email to say that it has now moved..
The
user can then log on and all the emails are sent to whatever
email address was used by Yahoo
?
It’s
all in the hands of the owner.
?
Cheers
Chris
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Jim Kirwan
Darryl Huffman
Chris