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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

By: Ian MacCormac 2010 <ianmaccormac@...>

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Roy Link Hudson-Hudswell 0-6-0WT instructions


Re: Old Roy Link kit

 

I have just photographed my set of instructions and put them in the files section of this group. Called HH Instructions. Photos not scans as Win 11 has decided not to allow me to scan anything with my scanner! Oh joy! Hope that helps. Cheers, Ian Mac in Blackpool


Re: Old Roy Link kit

 

Paul?
Thanks much……not any kind of deadline I’ve had this for awhile just getting around to making a effort?
Lots of projects little time…
thanks?
joe


Re: Old Roy Link kit

 

I can help you out with that but not until 3rd July as I am in Porthmadog and away from my stash until then
If no one else comes forward remind me then

Paul


Old Roy Link kit

 

Hello Folks?
Looking for a little help from the group (as always) I found a Roy Link Hudson Hudswell 0-6-0wt kit in the bargain section of a shop and snapped it up(who see’s this stuff in the US)
Of course it was a sack of sh….. stuff but in looking through it I thought it might be the start of something?
But of course no plans or drawings Does someone out there have a set they could copy for me as a starting point?
Don’t know if it could be resurrected or maybe bashed in to something else?
Any help as usual is greatly appreciated?
Regards?
joe gilmartin


Re: KB Scale/Roy Link wagons, A little extra weight?

 

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I have added thin strips of lead to the underside of my flat and open wagons.? Fixed to the floor wither side of the central chassis member but thin enough to clear the back of the wheels.? I have added very thin lead sheet to the inside of skip bodies but I don’t tip mine.? You might be able to add some liquid lead to the underside of the frames but it would be a fiddle.

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A rake of three tub wagons weighs 30g so about 10g per wagon.

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Cheers, Robin

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Neil Radford via groups.io
Sent: 10 June 2023 21:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [o14] KB Scale/Roy Link wagons, A little extra weight?

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Hello All,

Can anyone advise if the KB Scale wagon kits benefit from adding a little extra weight for improved running, or is it not necessary?

Is there a target axle weight that anyone works to?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experience.

Neil.


Re: KB Scale/Roy Link wagons, A little extra weight?

 

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I have added some lead to my ones as they tend to fall over when you tip them.
Marc

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Rae <davidcrae@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 11:48:24 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [o14] KB Scale/Roy Link wagons, A little extra weight?
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Yes they do, they are too light without weight. A square of lead sheet under the floor or in the skip or mine car body will help roadholding.

David

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 at 21:34, Neil Radford via <radfordino=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello All,

Can anyone advise if the KB Scale wagon kits benefit from adding a little extra weight for improved running, or is it not necessary?

Is there a target axle weight that anyone works to?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experience.

Neil.


Re: KB Scale/Roy Link wagons, A little extra weight?

 

Yes they do, they are too light without weight. A square of lead sheet under the floor or in the skip or mine car body will help roadholding.

David

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 at 21:34, Neil Radford via <radfordino=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello All,

Can anyone advise if the KB Scale wagon kits benefit from adding a little extra weight for improved running, or is it not necessary?

Is there a target axle weight that anyone works to?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experience.

Neil.


KB Scale/Roy Link wagons, A little extra weight?

 

Hello All,

Can anyone advise if the KB Scale wagon kits benefit from adding a little extra weight for improved running, or is it not necessary?

Is there a target axle weight that anyone works to?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experience.

Neil.


Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

We have just sent Review issue 134 off to the printer for distribution later this month. We lead this issue with a masterpiece of industrial modelling. The railway (which is standard gauge) and the street scene are impressive enough in their own right, however these are completely dominated by the steelworks. It features an extraordinarily and fanatical attention to detail which most of us would struggle to emulate – all based on real life exploration.

For those liking our more ‘traditional’ subjects we continue the story of Dinas Manod with details on the station, accompanied by drawings of Tanygsiau station upon which David's model is based. We also have an article on CAD modelling the Tallylyn Corris Van in 7mm scale, and we explore the various approaches for emptying side-tipping NG wagons with previously unpublished prototype photos from the 1960s.

Our regular?contributor?Stuart L Baker has drawn and described?the Manchester Ship Canal side-tipping wagon which became almost a ‘standard’ design for both standard and narrower gauges. We conclude with a description of a simple buzzing circuit tester tool, an obituary on Brian Love, plus the usual jottings, product and book reviews and readers' letters.

Full contents are here:?


Re: Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

 

In this day and age all loco's and rollingstock should be designed for the chassis to be completely insulated from any electrical contact, which makes it more DCC friendly as well as for dead rail or battery powered operation, the days of using the chassis or body as part of the electrical circuit are long gone around the rest of the world, you fella's in the UK seem to want to stay living back in the last century.
Brian, please let us know what answer you get when you tell Richard at Lionheart that he is wrong and doesn’t know what he’s doing! It’ll be an interesting read.

Suspect that it’s a bit late in the design process to change this, though you never know, they might change their ways once they hear from someone who appears to have superior knowledge to the people who’s job it is to design these things for a living.

Andrew


Re: Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

 

In this day and age all loco's and rollingstock should be designed for the chassis to be completely insulated from any electrical contact, which makes it more DCC friendly as well as for dead rail or battery powered operation, the days of using the chassis or body as part of the electrical circuit are long gone around the rest of the world, you fella's in the UK seem to want to stay living back in the last century.


------ Original Message ------
From "Paul Martin" <groups2@...>
Date 1/03/2023 10:21:09 AM
Subject Re: [o14] Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

Two reasons spring immediately to mind….

1. ?We’re working with the manufacturer to create a solution
2. ?It’s a split frame chassis that would be shorted by the Slaters axle

Virus-free.


Re: Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

 

Two reasons spring immediately to mind….

1. ?We’re working with the manufacturer to create a solution
2. ?It’s a split frame chassis that would be shorted by the Slaters axle


Re: Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

 

Why don't you contact David at Slater's, they have the loco wheels for both 16.5mm and 14mm gauge the axles have a thread so the wheels screw onto the axles and the axles have a square boss on the end to fit the cranks, they're available with 9 and 10 spoke versions 2'9" dia.


------ Original Message ------
From "Paul Martin" <groups2@...>
Date 28/02/2023 10:09:00 PM
Subject Re: [o14] Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

Further to the above I am going to chip in that speculation and protestations that "they" and "someone" should do something about itreally don't help when I am trying to be the "They" and the "Someone". I too got an e-mail from Richard Webster but instead of blabbing to the 014 very small world I set about trying to do something about it and my heart sank when I saw it posted on here before i could even hit send on my reply to Richard.

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Lionheart L&B Models for O14

 

Further to the earlier messages regarding the Lionheart loco and O14 I have news.

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O14 isn’t commercially viable – but then you knew that didn’t you?

For the loco's O14 wheelsets would have cost them ?25 a set for a minimum order of 100 with fitting not being straightforward
["Not for the faint hearted" is the public phrase, questionable parentage was used as the description on the phone]

The result is that Dapol/Lionheart won't be producing O14 wheelsets for the loco and will only produce O14 coach wheelsets to my order. In both loco and coaches it isnt as simple as pushing the wheels in a bit

John Clutterbuck, Richard Webster and I aren't happy with this state of affairs and I spent a long while on the phone with Richard this morning discussing ways forward. Samples of loco and parts are en route to me and there will be more conversations in the coming days.

The chances are that any solution to provide O14 will be available from me and not Lionheart and be a limited time/quantity thing but I am not prepared to give it up without a push.

I'll finish with two appeals and then add a final note

1/?? If you know of any O14 modellers who have ordered there loco other than from me suggest they get in touch so as to be included in any provision
2/?? If you've got ?3K and are prepared to buy a 100 O14 loco wheelsets please get in touch urgently

Many of you may have your models on order with me in which case you are already on my mailing list for this

My conversation with Richard revealed that this is very much his baby but that to produce it he is spending Dapols’ money and is subject to their oversight and that its not going to be a run away money spinner based on the presales. That view limits the expenditure on this project and will impact any future developments. This prompts my ?final thoughts which are no more than musings given that I am skint but if we want to demonstrate that there is a place for O14 perhaps the community should fund the wheelsets we need hence my rather tongue in cheek “anyone got three grand they don’t need”

Paul Martin
EDM Models


Re: Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

 

Further to the above I am going to chip in that speculation and protestations that "they" and "someone" should do something about itreally don't help when I am trying to be the "They" and the "Someone". I too got an e-mail from Richard Webster but instead of blabbing to the 014 very small world I set about trying to do something about it and my heart sank when I saw it posted on here before i could even hit send on my reply to Richard.


Re: Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 03:35 AM, Cliff Stone wrote:
Is this an opportunity for someone enterprising to offer a conversion kit and/or fitting service - I for one would definitely be interested.
I have had the same information from Richard and have started a dialogue with him to that end. I fear it may be prohibitively expensive to do as a commercial operation along with being risky. As for the dealers giving feedback on numbers that probaly isnt going to work given there has been no requirement to state preference in the ordering process.

Once again I think the fact has to be faced that 014 is a niche beyond what is commercial. I am aware of another development in the offing that whilst ideal for it makes no provision for 014. Personally, producing the 014 Ready to Plonk track has been a loss maker with minimal demand and not a hope of recouping the development or production time.

Paul Martin. EDM Models


Re: Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

 

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John?

I had heard rumours of this and it is very disappointing as they were advertised as the first ready to run 7mm scale 14mm gauge locomotives. ?I have an order placed for one, surely UK retailers could advise how many orders have been placed.

Is this an opportunity for someone enterprising to offer a conversion kit and/or fitting service - I for one would definitely be interested.

Regards

Cliff


On 28 Feb 2023, at 11:27, John C via groups.io <jclutterbuck2001@...> wrote:

Richard at Lionheart have advised me that he has received the quotation from the factory for the 14mm locomotive wheel sets, which has an MOQ of 100 sets. Unfortunately he considers that this figure to be too high, together with the complicated and difficult assembly, so they shall not be offering this conversion.

For background I did I trial conversion for Richard of the standard wheels he supplied with 14mm axles and although the back-to-back was correct the flanges were quite fat so the wheels came out over gauge. Hence the need for special wheels with finer flanges.

I don't know if this decision can be changed with a firm commitment of numbers.

Regards
John


Lionheart L&B Manning Wardle

 

Richard at Lionheart have advised me that he has received the quotation from the factory for the 14mm locomotive wheel sets, which has an MOQ of 100 sets. Unfortunately he considers that this figure to be too high, together with the complicated and difficult assembly, so they shall not be offering this conversion.

For background I did I trial conversion for Richard of the standard wheels he supplied with 14mm axles and although the back-to-back was correct the flanges were quite fat so the wheels came out over gauge. Hence the need for special wheels with finer flanges.

I don't know if this decision can be changed with a firm commitment of numbers.

Regards
John


Re: Martinhoe Cross needs a new home

 

Hi Cliff seeing you are not far from me I live in Bexleyheath but?sadly I don't have any space, have to asked on the NGRM forum you might find a narrow gauge modeller who may be interested



Regards

Colin Rainsbury

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 at 09:56, Cliff Stone via <cliff.cork=[email protected]> wrote:
Tony - I fully agree with your comment.? I do not wish to add another project to those working hard to deliver the restoration of the L&B.? I am offering this layout to some one (or some group) who really wants it and can use it as intended.
Regards, Cliff



On 12 Feb 2023, at 16:59, Tony S <tony.spencer@...> wrote:

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I do not think that this would find the best home with the L&B Trust which already has at least one layout Barnstaple Town in 4mm which is stored in someone’s house for eventual display as it is a scale model of a station that will never be reopened.? If accepted, this layout would similarly remain in store for a considerable time and deserves a better outcome.
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I am making enquiries in my own club but do not hold out much hope as space again is at a premium.
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Tony S.
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Tony Spencer
Club Archivist and 7mm Section rep.
Ilford & West Essex MRC
07730 420283
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