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Prof. Chris Lance www.ww2bsa.org www.EastNetPacket.com www.Network105.org Radio Station Manager Mount Allamuchy Scout Reservation ARRL Life Member
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-------- Original message -------- From: Bill - AC0VC <wjburek@...> Date: 10/2/23 10:39 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [network105] BBS's and Messages
FYI N0HI is in Colorado SE of Denver?
Bill ac0vc On Oct 2, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Chris Lance WW2BSA <Ww2bsa@...> wrote:
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Hi Jim,
Been meaning to comment on your email.
First, welcome back. Packet has seen a resurgence of interest. - with a new twist - we have the internet to help us.
?
It looks like N0HI-7 is a BPQ Node. That means it has a node, BBS, chat, and mail forwarding. N0HI is in the midwest. There are many closer nodes/BBS to you. When you say pipeline - do you mean over RF or via the internet?
?
Nodes are linked with partners who agree to do such. Mail is carried via the internet to its destination - the home BBS of the person the message is intended for. All this is done if the SYSOP has properly set up forwarding.
?
In the old days we could connect in MA and send it to CA all via BBS to BBS on VHF. These days we still can forward via RF. Networks like like are RF only as well as . They use packet and other modes to move the traffic via HF backbones.?
?
is a special case. Since the 1980's this has been a keyboard to keyboard frequency with no forward on frequency. But you can connect to a node, BBS or mailbox and leave a message. That message will be forwarded on the backbone of that system - assuming it is set up.
?
Hope this answers your questions.
?
73 de Chris
Moderator
ww2bsa.org
On 09/30/2023 11:26 AM EDT Jim <jim@...> wrote:
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Hello all,
I'm back on HF packet, have been for about 3 months now and am really enjoying it.?? I was active on HF packet for the best part of 15 years from the early 80's until the mid 90's and like I said it's good to be back.?
I do have a question about packet procedure these days.
Back when I was on HF, the full service BBS's transferred mail back and forth within their "network" by using a series of "backbones" which of course were on different frequencies.?? It worked pretty well and
I can remember exchanging messages with other hams around the US.?? Fun stuff.?
I realize of course that that's not really happening anymore and that's perfectly fine.??
I live on the East Coast in MA and for some reason I seem to have a real good "pipeline" to SOLBBS (N0HI).?? He's got a BBS that does a good job and I can get into it easily on a very consistent basis so, naturally
it's the one I use.
Other hams on Net105 and I are communicating by leaving messages in each others pbbs on the TNC's.?? It works of course but HF being what it is, sometimes it's easier then others.
I also do an "L" over on SOLBBS each day to check bulletins and to see what is there that I might be interested in.
So.....my question (finally) is this.??
If I see a bulletin on SOLBBS say from a ham in FL or somewhere else and I'd like to reply to him and if I do so on SOLBBS will it work its way to him like the old days or will it just sit on SOLBBS?
Also, if see another ham's beacon or whatever can I drop him a note at SOLBBS and hope it works it way to him?
I'm thinking in both instances the answer is no and I totally understand.?? There is no BBS forwarding on Network105.?? I'm not being critical at all, I totally understand, I just want to
get a clear understanding on the bulletins I see streaming by when I list them.??
I also from time to time like to send bulletins of my own out on a BBS as it's fun to get the responses that I see from other hams around the country / world.?? I am just thinking that
there's no sense in me doing so as they'll not be broadcast anywhere.
So.....am I right?
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your help.
73 Jim W1JT
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FYI N0HI is in Colorado SE of Denver?
Bill ac0vc
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On Oct 2, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Chris Lance WW2BSA <Ww2bsa@...> wrote:
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Hi Jim,
Been meaning to comment on your email.
First, welcome back. Packet has seen a resurgence of interest. - with a new twist - we have the internet to help us.
?
It looks like N0HI-7 is a BPQ Node. That means it has a node, BBS, chat, and mail forwarding. N0HI is in the midwest. There are many closer nodes/BBS to you. When you say pipeline - do you mean over RF or via the internet?
?
Nodes are linked with partners who agree to do such. Mail is carried via the internet to its destination - the home BBS of the person the message is intended for. All this is done if the SYSOP has properly set up forwarding.
?
In the old days we could connect in MA and send it to CA all via BBS to BBS on VHF. These days we still can forward via RF. Networks like like are RF only as well as . They use packet and other modes to move the traffic via HF backbones.?
?
is a special case. Since the 1980's this has been a keyboard to keyboard frequency with no forward on frequency. But you can connect to a node, BBS or mailbox and leave a message. That message will be forwarded on the backbone of that system - assuming it is set up.
?
Hope this answers your questions.
?
73 de Chris
Moderator
ww2bsa.org
On 09/30/2023 11:26 AM EDT Jim <jim@...> wrote:
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Hello all,
I'm back on HF packet, have been for about 3 months now and am really enjoying it.?? I was active on HF packet for the best part of 15 years from the early 80's until the mid 90's and like I said it's good to be back.?
I do have a question about packet procedure these days.
Back when I was on HF, the full service BBS's transferred mail back and forth within their "network" by using a series of "backbones" which of course were on different frequencies.?? It worked pretty well and
I can remember exchanging messages with other hams around the US.?? Fun stuff.?
I realize of course that that's not really happening anymore and that's perfectly fine.??
I live on the East Coast in MA and for some reason I seem to have a real good "pipeline" to SOLBBS (N0HI).?? He's got a BBS that does a good job and I can get into it easily on a very consistent basis so, naturally
it's the one I use.
Other hams on Net105 and I are communicating by leaving messages in each others pbbs on the TNC's.?? It works of course but HF being what it is, sometimes it's easier then others.
I also do an "L" over on SOLBBS each day to check bulletins and to see what is there that I might be interested in.
So.....my question (finally) is this.??
If I see a bulletin on SOLBBS say from a ham in FL or somewhere else and I'd like to reply to him and if I do so on SOLBBS will it work its way to him like the old days or will it just sit on SOLBBS?
Also, if see another ham's beacon or whatever can I drop him a note at SOLBBS and hope it works it way to him?
I'm thinking in both instances the answer is no and I totally understand.?? There is no BBS forwarding on Network105.?? I'm not being critical at all, I totally understand, I just want to
get a clear understanding on the bulletins I see streaming by when I list them.??
I also from time to time like to send bulletins of my own out on a BBS as it's fun to get the responses that I see from other hams around the country / world.?? I am just thinking that
there's no sense in me doing so as they'll not be broadcast anywhere.
So.....am I right?
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your help.
73 Jim W1JT
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Hi Jim,
Been meaning to comment on your email.
First, welcome back. Packet has seen a resurgence of interest. - with a new twist - we have the internet to help us.
?
It looks like N0HI-7 is a BPQ Node. That means it has a node, BBS, chat, and mail forwarding. N0HI is in the midwest. There are many closer nodes/BBS to you. When you say pipeline - do you mean over RF or via the internet?
?
Nodes are linked with partners who agree to do such. Mail is carried via the internet to its destination - the home BBS of the person the message is intended for. All this is done if the SYSOP has properly set up forwarding.
?
In the old days we could connect in MA and send it to CA all via BBS to BBS on VHF. These days we still can forward via RF. Networks like like are RF only as well as . They use packet and other modes to move the traffic via HF backbones.?
?
is a special case. Since the 1980's this has been a keyboard to keyboard frequency with no forward on frequency. But you can connect to a node, BBS or mailbox and leave a message. That message will be forwarded on the backbone of that system - assuming it is set up.
?
Hope this answers your questions.
?
73 de Chris
Moderator
ww2bsa.org
On 09/30/2023 11:26 AM EDT Jim <jim@...> wrote:
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Hello all,
I'm back on HF packet, have been for about 3 months now and am really enjoying it.?? I was active on HF packet for the best part of 15 years from the early 80's until the mid 90's and like I said it's good to be back.?
I do have a question about packet procedure these days.
Back when I was on HF, the full service BBS's transferred mail back and forth within their "network" by using a series of "backbones" which of course were on different frequencies.?? It worked pretty well and
I can remember exchanging messages with other hams around the US.?? Fun stuff.?
I realize of course that that's not really happening anymore and that's perfectly fine.??
I live on the East Coast in MA and for some reason I seem to have a real good "pipeline" to SOLBBS (N0HI).?? He's got a BBS that does a good job and I can get into it easily on a very consistent basis so, naturally
it's the one I use.
Other hams on Net105 and I are communicating by leaving messages in each others pbbs on the TNC's.?? It works of course but HF being what it is, sometimes it's easier then others.
I also do an "L" over on SOLBBS each day to check bulletins and to see what is there that I might be interested in.
So.....my question (finally) is this.??
If I see a bulletin on SOLBBS say from a ham in FL or somewhere else and I'd like to reply to him and if I do so on SOLBBS will it work its way to him like the old days or will it just sit on SOLBBS?
Also, if see another ham's beacon or whatever can I drop him a note at SOLBBS and hope it works it way to him?
I'm thinking in both instances the answer is no and I totally understand.?? There is no BBS forwarding on Network105.?? I'm not being critical at all, I totally understand, I just want to
get a clear understanding on the bulletins I see streaming by when I list them.??
I also from time to time like to send bulletins of my own out on a BBS as it's fun to get the responses that I see from other hams around the country / world.?? I am just thinking that
there's no sense in me doing so as they'll not be broadcast anywhere.
So.....am I right?
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your help.
73 Jim W1JT
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Good morning, Jim.? Welcome back to packet!? I am pretty young in radio and I wasn't alive during the golden years of amateur radio packet but I'm enjoying it now.
As to your question, it depends.? Some nodes have forwarding setup on other ports.? You can check PORTS on the SOLBBS node and see what they have listed.? Since they have bulletins, it is likely they have forwarding setup.? Internet is common for forwarding though VARA, ARDOP, AX.25, and IL2P are all used for the same purpose.? My node has internet, 2m AX.25, AX.25 on NET105, VARA up 500Hz, and IL2P up another 500Hz.? The NET105, VARA, and IL2P are all using the same radio in the same passband.??
So, depending on if and how SOLBBS has forwarding setup, your message may get to the intended recipient or it may get stuck somewhere along the line.? You can ask the SYSOP of SOLBBS if they have forwarding, maybe the INFO command will give you a clue too.??
By the way, as I was typing this, I saw you on HF in a connected session with SOLBBS.? Your signal is making it out to Utah.? Feel free to drop a line on my bbs too.
DE Joshua, KJ7LVZ
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Hello all,
I'm back on HF packet, have been for about 3 months now and am really enjoying it.?? I was active on HF packet for the best part of 15 years from the early 80's until the mid 90's and like I said it's good to be back.?
I do have a question about packet procedure these days.
Back when I was on HF, the full service BBS's transferred mail back and forth within their "network" by using a series of "backbones" which of course were on different frequencies.?? It worked pretty well and
I can remember exchanging messages with other hams around the US.?? Fun stuff.?
I realize of course that that's not really happening anymore and that's perfectly fine.??
I live on the East Coast in MA and for some reason I seem to have a real good "pipeline" to SOLBBS (N0HI).?? He's got a BBS that does a good job and I can get into it easily on a very consistent basis so, naturally
it's the one I use.
Other hams on Net105 and I are communicating by leaving messages in each others pbbs on the TNC's.?? It works of course but HF being what it is, sometimes it's easier then others.
I also do an "L" over on SOLBBS each day to check bulletins and to see what is there that I might be interested in.
So.....my question (finally) is this.??
If I see a bulletin on SOLBBS say from a ham in FL or somewhere else and I'd like to reply to him and if I do so on SOLBBS will it work its way to him like the old days or will it just sit on SOLBBS?
Also, if see another ham's beacon or whatever can I drop him a note at SOLBBS and hope it works it way to him?
I'm thinking in both instances the answer is no and I totally understand.?? There is no BBS forwarding on Network105.?? I'm not being critical at all, I totally understand, I just want to
get a clear understanding on the bulletins I see streaming by when I list them.??
I also from time to time like to send bulletins of my own out on a BBS as it's fun to get the responses that I see from other hams around the country / world.?? I am just thinking that
there's no sense in me doing so as they'll not be broadcast anywhere.
So.....am I right?
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your help.
73 Jim W1JT
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The following may be of interest to Network105 members in the United States:
- FEMA and FCC are planning a Nationwide Emergency Alert Test on Wednesday, Oct. 4th, for all cell phones and TVs. Go to??for more info.
- On Thursday, Oct. 19th, is the Great Shakeout, an earthquake drill. The website is??. Check it out and register as an individual or a group. It is a chance to check out communications. Perhaps we should register as a Group, if not this year, then for the next.
73 de Chris Lance, WW2BSA
Moderator
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Thanks for doing this Chris.?
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Well, I see no reason to penalize or exclude an amateur from the QSO Party from using a VHF-HF (14.105) gateway who doesn't own an HF rig yet or doesn't have digital capability yet.?
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My HF capability is limited right now. So, sometimes I will access a BPQ node that has a port on 14.105 and call CQ.?
One of my goals is to set up an AEA PK-900, KAM XL or KPC-9612 as a gateway between VHF and HF (14.105). No need for computers. No need to worry if the power fails as the TNC will come back up. A mailbox is available on either port.?
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As far as your Linux question, regretfully, I am not experienced enough in Linux to answer that question.
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73 de Chris
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On 09/21/2023 9:38 AM EDT Louis Botterill <chillipower.uk@...> wrote:
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Excellent, sounds fun.
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So if anyone was not running a node/tnc to handle incoming?connections - is there a way, using linux stack ax.25 and associated tools? That was something I was never 100% sure about, when I started I was
using ax.25 axcall natively but mostly the kb 2 kb qsos I made were based on me dialing back into a node (without a ssid of course).
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Just curious. Perhaps there are very few people/stations in that situation but any pointers that can be given for newcomers before they have a full? node working of their own might help encourage more first
time users to join the qso party.
?
It's something I never quite figured myself out myself, before jumping into full software node setup, which is great (if you ultimately want that) but - it's a lot to configure and get working if say what
you wanted to do is just kb2kb qso with some other stations directly in the qso party.
Guessing people here know the answer to that, so I thought I'd mention it.?
In my case getting started was linux and configure ax.25 stack and attach it to the modem. In that set up very easy to make outgoing connection with axcall, but incoming, not so sure - maybe axlisten?somehow
is the key?
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I've discovered quite a lot of evening 40m packet, so now running 20m in day, 40m at night, seems best of both and I am sure is a fairly common pattern to it all.
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All the best, Louis?
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On Wed, 20 Sept 2023 at 13:01, Chris Lance WW2BSA < Ww2bsa@...> wrote:
Yes Louis and Chuck,
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Since there's interest, I'll draw up a flyer/info sheet and post it.?
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"If you build it, they will come..." LOL
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73 de Chris WW2BSA
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Sounds great! So kb to kb connected, interactive mode, right. Would it be on the same 105 frequency spots? Guessing so, I¡¯d like to see this take off - sounds fun. Other modes have similar regular things and it¡¯s a great way to find and promote
activity. So why not packet too :)
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On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:30 AM, ww2bsa <ww2bsa@...> wrote:
To: Louis and All Members,
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Suggestion: A monthly - or every other month - QSO Party would be about an hour long. A Saturday or Sunday in the morning or afternoon to take advantage of propagation. The 2nd Weekend of every month.
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Members, please offer feedback.
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73 de Chris
ww2bsa
Moderator
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I like the idea of a 105 qso party - tell us more :)
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Well, I see no reason to penalize or exclude an amateur from the QSO Party from using a VHF-HF (14.105) gateway who doesn't own an HF rig yet or doesn't have digital capability yet.?
?
My HF capability is limited right now. So, sometimes I will access a BPQ node that has a port on 14.105 and call CQ.?
One of my goals is to set up an AEA PK-900, KAM XL or KPC-9612 as a gateway between VHF and HF (14.105). No need for computers. No need to worry if the power fails as the TNC will come back up. A mailbox is available on either port.? ?
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As far as your Linux question, regretfully, I am not experienced enough in Linux to answer that question.
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73 de Chris
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On 09/21/2023 9:38 AM EDT Louis Botterill <chillipower.uk@...> wrote:
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Excellent, sounds fun.
?
So if anyone was not running a node/tnc to handle incoming?connections - is there a way, using linux stack ax.25 and associated tools? That was something I was never 100% sure about, when I started I was using ax.25 axcall natively but mostly the kb 2 kb qsos I made were based on me dialing back into a node (without a ssid of course).
?
Just curious. Perhaps there are very few people/stations in that situation but any pointers that can be given for newcomers before they have a full? node working of their own might help encourage more first time users to join the qso party.
?
It's something I never quite figured myself out myself, before jumping into full software node setup, which is great (if you ultimately want that) but - it's a lot to configure and get working if say what you wanted to do is just kb2kb qso with some other stations directly in the qso party.
Guessing people here know the answer to that, so I thought I'd mention it.?
In my case getting started was linux and configure ax.25 stack and attach it to the modem. In that set up very easy to make outgoing connection with axcall, but incoming, not so sure - maybe axlisten?somehow is the key?
?
I've discovered quite a lot of evening 40m packet, so now running 20m in day, 40m at night, seems best of both and I am sure is a fairly common pattern to it all.
?
All the best, Louis?
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On Wed, 20 Sept 2023 at 13:01, Chris Lance WW2BSA < Ww2bsa@...> wrote:
Yes Louis and Chuck,
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Since there's interest, I'll draw up a flyer/info sheet and post it.?
?
"If you build it, they will come..." LOL
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73 de Chris WW2BSA
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Sounds great! So kb to kb connected, interactive mode, right. Would it be on the same 105 frequency spots? Guessing so, I¡¯d like to see this take off - sounds fun. Other modes have similar regular things and it¡¯s a great way to find and promote activity. So why not packet too :)
?
On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:30 AM, ww2bsa <ww2bsa@...> wrote:
To: Louis and All Members,
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Suggestion: A monthly - or every other month - QSO Party would be about an hour long. A Saturday or Sunday in the morning or afternoon to take advantage of propagation. The 2nd Weekend of every month.
?
Members, please offer feedback.
?
73 de Chris
ww2bsa
Moderator
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?
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I like the idea of a 105 qso party - tell us more :)
?
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Excellent, sounds fun.
So if anyone was not running a node/tnc to handle incoming?connections - is there a way, using linux stack ax.25 and associated tools? That was something I was never 100% sure about, when I started I was using ax.25 axcall natively but mostly the kb 2 kb qsos I made were based on me dialing back into a node (without a ssid of course).
Just curious. Perhaps there are very few people/stations in that situation but any pointers that can be given for newcomers before they have a full? node working of their own might help encourage more first time users to join the qso party.
It's something I never quite figured myself out myself, before jumping into full software node setup, which is great (if you ultimately want that) but - it's a lot to configure and get working if say what you wanted to do is just kb2kb qso with some other stations directly in the qso party. Guessing people here know the answer to that, so I thought I'd mention it.? In my case getting started was linux and configure ax.25 stack and attach it to the modem. In that set up very easy to make outgoing connection with axcall, but incoming, not so sure - maybe axlisten?somehow is the key? ? I've discovered quite a lot of evening 40m packet, so now running 20m in day, 40m at night, seems best of both and I am sure is a fairly common pattern to it all.
All the best, Louis?
On Wed, 20 Sept 2023 at 13:01, Chris Lance WW2BSA < Ww2bsa@...> wrote:
Yes Louis and Chuck,
?
Since there's interest, I'll draw up a flyer/info sheet and post it.?
?
"If you build it, they will come..." LOL
?
73 de Chris WW2BSA
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?
Sounds great! So kb to kb connected, interactive mode, right. Would it be on the same 105 frequency spots? Guessing so, I¡¯d like to see this take off - sounds fun. Other modes have similar regular things and it¡¯s a great way to find and promote activity. So why not packet too :)
?
On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:30 AM, ww2bsa <ww2bsa@...> wrote:
To: Louis and All Members,
?
Suggestion: A monthly - or every other month - QSO Party would be about an hour long. A Saturday or Sunday in the morning or afternoon to take advantage of propagation. The 2nd Weekend of every month.
?
Members, please offer feedback.
?
73 de Chris
ww2bsa
Moderator
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?
?
I like the idea of a 105 qso party - tell us more :)
?
?
-- Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail
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Yes Louis and Chuck,
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Since there's interest, I'll draw up a flyer/info sheet and post it.?
?
"If you build it, they will come..." LOL
?
73 de Chris WW2BSA
On 09/20/2023 10:06 AM EDT Louis Botterill <chillipower.uk@...> wrote:
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Sounds great! So kb to kb connected, interactive mode, right. Would it be on the same 105 frequency spots? Guessing so, I¡¯d like to see this take off - sounds fun. Other modes have similar regular things and it¡¯s a great way to find and promote activity. So why not packet too :)
?
On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:30 AM, ww2bsa paladinknightentertainment.com <ww2bsa@...> wrote:
To: Louis and All Members,
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Suggestion: A monthly - or every other month - QSO Party would be about an hour long. A Saturday or Sunday in the morning or afternoon to take advantage of propagation. The 2nd Weekend of every month.
?
Members, please offer feedback.
?
73 de Chris
ww2bsa
Moderator
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On 09/18/2023 12:53 PM EDT Louis Botterill <chillipower.uk@...> wrote:
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I like the idea of a 105 qso party - tell us more :)
?
?
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Sounds great! So kb to kb connected, interactive mode, right. Would it be on the same 105 frequency spots? Guessing so, I¡¯d like to see this take off - sounds fun. Other modes have similar regular things and it¡¯s a great way to find and promote activity. So why not packet too :)
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On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:30 AM, ww2bsa paladinknightentertainment.com <ww2bsa@...> wrote:
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To: Louis and All Members,
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Suggestion: A monthly - or every other month - QSO Party would be about an hour long. A Saturday or Sunday in the morning or afternoon to take advantage of propagation. The 2nd Weekend of every month.
?
Members, please offer feedback.
?
73 de Chris
ww2bsa
Moderator
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On 09/18/2023 12:53 PM EDT Louis Botterill <chillipower.uk@...> wrote:
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I like the idea of a 105 qso party - tell us more :)
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Chris would this happen on hf packet or do go through packet nodes to conect for this.?
Thanks 73
Chuck N3LBP?
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To: Louis and All Members,
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Suggestion: A monthly - or every other month - QSO Party would be about an hour long. A Saturday or Sunday in the morning or afternoon to take advantage of propagation. The 2nd Weekend of every month.
?
Members, please offer feedback.
?
73 de Chris
ww2bsa
Moderator
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On 09/18/2023 12:53 PM EDT Louis Botterill <chillipower.uk@...> wrote:
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I like the idea of a 105 qso party - tell us more :)
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I am game for that.?
N3LBP?
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I like your pattern and base time. Of course, one does not want the freq to be a non-stop beacon festival or WWV'ish lol but looks logical.
Implementing is another story. :-)
A couple of months ago I suggested a monthly or every other month Network105 QSO party, but received no feedback. :-(
73
Chris ww2bsa
Prof. Chris Lance
www.ww2bsa.org
www.EastNetPacket.com
www.Network105.org
Radio Station Manager
Mount Allamuchy Scout Reservation
ARRL Life Member
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From: "Chris, N6CTA" <mail@...>
Date: 9/18/23 5:50 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [network105] Net105 Observations
On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 08:07 PM, Chris Lance WW2BSA wrote:
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I'm not sure if I am echoing what you are saying and apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding what you are saying: a CW ID isn't necessary on packet because you call is already included in the data. Not even sure why it's there. Never seen it used
in packet.
I believe what Burt was saying in regards to "there are no full server BBS to BBS forwarding systems" is because it ties up the frequency. Remember, the purpose of Network105 is real-time,
live, keyboard-to-keyboard 300 baud AX.25 packet QSO's. Nodes help promulgate that goal, while mailboxes are a perk.
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There shouldn't be "forwarding" or "sending messages at a timed interval" of any kind on frequency because it ties it up. If you want to forward, add an additional HF port on another frequency or 220 Mhz backbone frequency. It will
be more effective anyway.
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My advice on beacons: west of the Mississippi River - beacon on the hour every 30 mins. East of the Mississippi - beacon 10 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Europe - beacon every 20 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Too many collisions
that way? Then stagger beacons. How? Note sure...
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Your thoughts on all this
Chris Lance
ww2bsa?
On 09/17/2023 7:19 PM EDT Chris, N6CTA <mail@...> wrote:
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I will say though that LID comments are unnecessary and I did want to clarify some things.
We¡¯re all forever learning here.
CWID is identifying via CW instead of packet. That¡¯s not the same as sending traffic with the BEACON or ID designation. Sending a message at a timed interval to all the stations on this network detailing services and maidenhead is the same as calling CQ if
the station can and will respond to queries. That is the nature of ACDS and differentiates the traffic from a beacon. That is well within the letter and spirt of both the law and the guidelines of the network.
Sending traffic to PBBS¡¯s is K2K. It does not need to be two live operators at the same time to qualify.?
There really isn¡¯t enough configurability in the software to do what you are suggesting unless it¡¯s done from cron or similar. Are you suggesting people manually send their beacon directed messages?
The first letter of a callsign suffix usually works well for sorting radio amateurs assuming normal distribution.
Doesn¡¯t have to be this but for example¡
Base time = 30 min
West +1
East + 2
EU + 3
West
Alpha-Echo 31
Foxtrot-Juliet 32
Kilo-Oscar 33
Papa-Tango 34
Uniform-Zulu 35
East
Alpha-Echo 32
Foxtrot-Juliet 34
Kilo-Oscar 36
Papa-Tango 38
Uniform-Zulu 40
EU
Alpha-Echo 33
Foxtrot-Juliet 36
Kilo-Oscar 39
Papa-Tango 41?
Uniform-Zulu 44
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I like the idea of a 105 qso party - tell us more :)
On Mon, 18 Sept 2023 at 12:51, Chris Lance WW2BSA < Ww2bsa@...> wrote: I like your pattern and base time. Of course, one does not want the freq to be a non-stop beacon festival or WWV'ish lol but looks logical. Implementing is another story. :-)
A couple of months ago I suggested a monthly or every other month Network105 QSO party, but received no feedback. :-(
73 Chris ww2bsa
Prof. Chris Lance Radio Station Manager Mount Allamuchy Scout Reservation ARRL Life Member
-------- Original message -------- Date: 9/18/23 5:50 AM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [network105] Net105 Observations
On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 08:07 PM, Chris Lance WW2BSA wrote:
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I'm not sure if I am echoing what you are saying and apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding what you are saying: a CW ID isn't necessary on packet because you call is already included in the data. Not even sure why it's there. Never seen it used in packet.
I believe what Burt was saying in regards to "there are no full server BBS to BBS forwarding systems" is because it ties up the frequency. Remember, the purpose of Network105 is real-time, live, keyboard-to-keyboard 300 baud AX.25 packet QSO's. Nodes help promulgate that goal, while mailboxes are a perk.
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There shouldn't be "forwarding" or "sending messages at a timed interval" of any kind on frequency because it ties it up. If you want to forward, add an additional HF port on another frequency or 220 Mhz backbone frequency. It will be more effective anyway.
?
My advice on beacons: west of the Mississippi River - beacon on the hour every 30 mins. East of the Mississippi - beacon 10 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Europe - beacon every 20 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Too many collisions that way? Then stagger beacons. How? Note sure...
?
Your thoughts on all this
Chris Lance
ww2bsa?
On 09/17/2023 7:19 PM EDT Chris, N6CTA < mail@...> wrote: ?
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I will say though that LID comments are unnecessary and I did want to clarify some things.
We¡¯re all forever learning here.
CWID is identifying via CW instead of packet. That¡¯s not the same as sending traffic with the BEACON or ID designation. Sending a message at a timed interval to all the stations on this network detailing services and maidenhead is the same as calling CQ if the station can and will respond to queries. That is the nature of ACDS and differentiates the traffic from a beacon. That is well within the letter and spirt of both the law and the guidelines of the network.
Sending traffic to PBBS¡¯s is K2K. It does not need to be two live operators at the same time to qualify.?
There really isn¡¯t enough configurability in the software to do what you are suggesting unless it¡¯s done from cron or similar. Are you suggesting people manually send their beacon directed messages? The first letter of a callsign suffix usually works well for sorting radio amateurs assuming normal distribution. Doesn¡¯t have to be this but for example¡ Base time = 30 min West +1 East + 2 EU + 3 West Alpha-Echo 31 Foxtrot-Juliet 32 Kilo-Oscar 33 Papa-Tango 34 Uniform-Zulu 35 East Alpha-Echo 32 Foxtrot-Juliet 34 Kilo-Oscar 36 Papa-Tango 38 Uniform-Zulu 40 EU Alpha-Echo 33 Foxtrot-Juliet 36 Kilo-Oscar 39 Papa-Tango 41? Uniform-Zulu 44
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I like your pattern and base time. Of course, one does not want the freq to be a non-stop beacon festival or WWV'ish lol but looks logical. Implementing is another story. :-)
A couple of months ago I suggested a monthly or every other month Network105 QSO party, but received no feedback. :-(
73 Chris ww2bsa
Prof. Chris Lance www.ww2bsa.org www.EastNetPacket.com www.Network105.org Radio Station Manager Mount Allamuchy Scout Reservation ARRL Life Member
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-------- Original message -------- From: "Chris, N6CTA" <mail@...> Date: 9/18/23 5:50 AM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [network105] Net105 Observations
On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 08:07 PM, Chris Lance WW2BSA wrote:
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I'm not sure if I am echoing what you are saying and apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding what you are saying: a CW ID isn't necessary on packet because you call is already included in the data. Not even sure why it's there. Never seen it used in packet.
I believe what Burt was saying in regards to "there are no full server BBS to BBS forwarding systems" is because it ties up the frequency. Remember, the purpose of Network105 is real-time, live, keyboard-to-keyboard 300 baud AX.25 packet QSO's. Nodes help promulgate that goal, while mailboxes are a perk.
?
There shouldn't be "forwarding" or "sending messages at a timed interval" of any kind on frequency because it ties it up. If you want to forward, add an additional HF port on another frequency or 220 Mhz backbone frequency. It will be more effective anyway.
?
My advice on beacons: west of the Mississippi River - beacon on the hour every 30 mins. East of the Mississippi - beacon 10 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Europe - beacon every 20 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Too many collisions that way? Then stagger beacons. How? Note sure...
?
Your thoughts on all this
Chris Lance
ww2bsa?
On 09/17/2023 7:19 PM EDT Chris, N6CTA <mail@...> wrote:
?
?
I will say though that LID comments are unnecessary and I did want to clarify some things.
We¡¯re all forever learning here.
CWID is identifying via CW instead of packet. That¡¯s not the same as sending traffic with the BEACON or ID designation. Sending a message at a timed interval to all the stations on this network detailing services and maidenhead is the same as calling CQ if the station can and will respond to queries. That is the nature of ACDS and differentiates the traffic from a beacon. That is well within the letter and spirt of both the law and the guidelines of the network.
Sending traffic to PBBS¡¯s is K2K. It does not need to be two live operators at the same time to qualify.?
There really isn¡¯t enough configurability in the software to do what you are suggesting unless it¡¯s done from cron or similar. Are you suggesting people manually send their beacon directed messages? The first letter of a callsign suffix usually works well for sorting radio amateurs assuming normal distribution. Doesn¡¯t have to be this but for example¡ Base time = 30 min West +1 East + 2 EU + 3 West Alpha-Echo 31 Foxtrot-Juliet 32 Kilo-Oscar 33 Papa-Tango 34 Uniform-Zulu 35 East Alpha-Echo 32 Foxtrot-Juliet 34 Kilo-Oscar 36 Papa-Tango 38 Uniform-Zulu 40 EU Alpha-Echo 33 Foxtrot-Juliet 36 Kilo-Oscar 39 Papa-Tango 41? Uniform-Zulu 44
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On the automatic forwarding, this activity is limited to the narrow bit of the band in 14.095 - 14.112 MHz (excluding 14.100) by Part 97.221.? Wouldn't it be easier instead to move the keyboard to keyboard packet and VARAC activity out of this range to where the automatic forwarding can't affect it?
73,
? --Michael? WZ0C
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 11:47:12 AM EDT, Louis Botterill <chillipower.uk@...> wrote:
Hi,
My 2-cents, while a lot of it ought to be common sense and basic good 'ham practice', including noting 105 is not an aprs or wx spot (APRS has own frequency spots), this is really also very key;
"There shouldn't be "forwarding" or "sending messages at a timed interval" of any kind on frequency because it ties it up. If you want to forward, add an additional HF port on another frequency or 220 Mhz backbone frequency. It will be more effective anyway."
I've seen some of this lately on 20m 105 and I really think it should be avoided. Even if it seems benign, it really congests the heck out of the shared spot for all others.
Use an alternative freq for it.
Hopefully we all can use these bands well if we are considerate of others, and a lot of it is basically this premise, fundamentally.
All the best, de louis / kd2yck
On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 23:07, Chris Lance WW2BSA < Ww2bsa@...> wrote:
I'm not sure if I am echoing what you are saying and apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding what you are saying: a CW ID isn't necessary on packet because you call is already included in the data. Not even sure why it's there. Never seen it used in packet.
I believe what Burt was saying in regards to "there are no full server BBS to BBS forwarding systems" is because it ties up the frequency. Remember, the purpose of Network105 is real-time, live, keyboard-to-keyboard 300 baud AX.25 packet QSO's. Nodes help promulgate that goal, while mailboxes are a perk.
?
There shouldn't be "forwarding" or "sending messages at a timed interval" of any kind on frequency because it ties it up. If you want to forward, add an additional HF port on another frequency or 220 Mhz backbone frequency. It will be more effective anyway.
?
My advice on beacons: west of the Mississippi River - beacon on the hour every 30 mins. East of the Mississippi - beacon 10 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Europe - beacon every 20 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Too many collisions that way? Then stagger beacons. How? Note sure...
?
Your thoughts on all this
Chris Lance
ww2bsa?
On 09/17/2023 7:19 PM EDT Chris, N6CTA < mail@...> wrote:
?
?
I will say though that LID comments are unnecessary and I did want to clarify some things.
We¡¯re all forever learning here.
CWID is identifying via CW instead of packet. That¡¯s not the same as sending traffic with the BEACON or ID designation. Sending a message at a timed interval to all the stations on this network detailing services and maidenhead is the same as calling CQ if the station can and will respond to queries. That is the nature of ACDS and differentiates the traffic from a beacon. That is well within the letter and spirt of both the law and the guidelines of the network.
Sending traffic to PBBS¡¯s is K2K. It does not need to be two live operators at the same time to qualify.?
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Hi,
My 2-cents, while a lot of it ought to be common sense and basic good 'ham practice', including noting 105 is not an aprs or wx spot (APRS has own frequency spots), this is really also very key;
"There shouldn't be "forwarding" or "sending messages at a timed interval" of any kind on frequency because it ties it up. If you want to forward, add an additional HF port on another frequency or 220 Mhz backbone frequency. It will be more effective anyway."
I've seen some of this lately on 20m 105 and I really think it should be avoided. Even if it seems benign, it really congests the heck out of the shared spot for all others.
Use an alternative freq for it.
Hopefully we all can use these bands well if we are considerate of others, and a lot of it is basically this premise, fundamentally.
All the best, de louis / kd2yck
On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 23:07, Chris Lance WW2BSA < Ww2bsa@...> wrote:
I'm not sure if I am echoing what you are saying and apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding what you are saying: a CW ID isn't necessary on packet because you call is already included in the data. Not even sure why it's there. Never seen it used in packet.
I believe what Burt was saying in regards to "there are no full server BBS to BBS forwarding systems" is because it ties up the frequency. Remember, the purpose of Network105 is real-time, live, keyboard-to-keyboard 300 baud AX.25 packet QSO's. Nodes help promulgate that goal, while mailboxes are a perk.
?
There shouldn't be "forwarding" or "sending messages at a timed interval" of any kind on frequency because it ties it up. If you want to forward, add an additional HF port on another frequency or 220 Mhz backbone frequency. It will be more effective anyway.
?
My advice on beacons: west of the Mississippi River - beacon on the hour every 30 mins. East of the Mississippi - beacon 10 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Europe - beacon every 20 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Too many collisions that way? Then stagger beacons. How? Note sure...
?
Your thoughts on all this
Chris Lance
ww2bsa?
On 09/17/2023 7:19 PM EDT Chris, N6CTA < mail@...> wrote:
?
?
I will say though that LID comments are unnecessary and I did want to clarify some things.
We¡¯re all forever learning here.
CWID is identifying via CW instead of packet. That¡¯s not the same as sending traffic with the BEACON or ID designation. Sending a message at a timed interval to all the stations on this network detailing services and maidenhead is the same as calling CQ if the station can and will respond to queries. That is the nature of ACDS and differentiates the traffic from a beacon. That is well within the letter and spirt of both the law and the guidelines of the network.
Sending traffic to PBBS¡¯s is K2K. It does not need to be two live operators at the same time to qualify.?
-- Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail
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On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 08:07 PM, Chris Lance WW2BSA wrote:
<!doctype html>
I'm not sure if I am echoing what you are saying and apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding what you are saying: a CW ID isn't necessary on packet because you call is already included in the data. Not even sure why it's there. Never seen it used in packet.
I believe what Burt was saying in regards to "there are no full server BBS to BBS forwarding systems" is because it ties up the frequency. Remember, the purpose of Network105 is real-time, live, keyboard-to-keyboard 300 baud AX.25 packet QSO's. Nodes help promulgate that goal, while mailboxes are a perk.
?
There shouldn't be "forwarding" or "sending messages at a timed interval" of any kind on frequency because it ties it up. If you want to forward, add an additional HF port on another frequency or 220 Mhz backbone frequency. It will be more effective anyway.
?
My advice on beacons: west of the Mississippi River - beacon on the hour every 30 mins. East of the Mississippi - beacon 10 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Europe - beacon every 20 mins past the hour every 30 mins. Too many collisions that way? Then stagger beacons. How? Note sure...
?
Your thoughts on all this
Chris Lance
ww2bsa?
On 09/17/2023 7:19 PM EDT Chris, N6CTA <mail@...> wrote:
?
?
I will say though that LID comments are unnecessary and I did want to clarify some things.
We¡¯re all forever learning here.
CWID is identifying via CW instead of packet. That¡¯s not the same as sending traffic with the BEACON or ID designation. Sending a message at a timed interval to all the stations on this network detailing services and maidenhead is the same as calling CQ if the station can and will respond to queries. That is the nature of ACDS and differentiates the traffic from a beacon. That is well within the letter and spirt of both the law and the guidelines of the network.
Sending traffic to PBBS¡¯s is K2K. It does not need to be two live operators at the same time to qualify.?
There really isn¡¯t enough configurability in the software to do what you are suggesting unless it¡¯s done from cron or similar. Are you suggesting people manually send their beacon directed messages? The first letter of a callsign suffix usually works well for sorting radio amateurs assuming normal distribution. Doesn¡¯t have to be this but for example¡ Base time = 30 min West +1 East + 2 EU + 3 West Alpha-Echo 31 Foxtrot-Juliet 32 Kilo-Oscar 33 Papa-Tango 34 Uniform-Zulu 35 East Alpha-Echo 32 Foxtrot-Juliet 34 Kilo-Oscar 36 Papa-Tango 38 Uniform-Zulu 40 EU Alpha-Echo 33 Foxtrot-Juliet 36 Kilo-Oscar 39 Papa-Tango 41? Uniform-Zulu 44
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On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 05:03 PM, Christopher Molnar KO4YAW wrote:
Hi Chris,?
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I would like to make a suggestion if I may. Is there anyway that there could be a ¡°FAQ¡± of sorts on the home page/directions of suggested other locations for packet traffic that have some activity but are a little less tied to the past? (Reference to ¡°the past¡± in this case is NOT meant to be an insult, but reality based on this discussion.). I think for those wanting to do all the things that you list as problems observed it would be more ¡°HAM friendly¡± if there would be a suggested alternative. Currently a lot of people (myself included) have turned to net 105 because it has traffic and it is a known.
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Thanks,
-Chris
KO4YAW
On Sep 17, 2023, at 7:19 PM, Chris, N6CTA <mail@...> wrote:
I will say though that LID comments are unnecessary and I did want to clarify some things.
We¡¯re all forever learning here.
CWID is identifying via CW instead of packet. That¡¯s not the same as sending traffic with the BEACON or ID designation. Sending a message at a timed interval to all the stations on this network detailing services and maidenhead is the same as calling CQ if the station can and will respond to queries. That is the nature of ACDS and differentiates the traffic from a beacon. That is well within the letter and spirt of both the law and the guidelines of the network.
Sending traffic to PBBS¡¯s is K2K. It does not need to be two live operators at the same time to qualify.?
The designated HF APRS/WX frequency is? 10.1510 LSBIf you¡¯re interested in HF PBBS forwarding/routing, have a look at some of the other efforts going on.? For me, Network 105 is/was a place to get my feet wet and learn the HF packet radio ropes. I¡¯ve done unproto directed traffic chat, bpqchat, direct TNC:TNC chat, and PBBS mailbox correspondence. I feel like I know what I¡¯m doing now with all the services and techniques encouraged on this particular frequency. My activity will likely taper off as I document what I learned and direct my efforts to building out the 300Bd IL2P network.? Digipeating is just a bad idea on HF BTW. That just needs to stop. There is no good way to handle it. It¡¯s best to connect directly to an intermediate station and then connect out from there as outlined on the homepage.
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Chris Lance WW2BSA
Joshua KJ7LVZ