Bill

When you put the loco on your programming track connected to JMRI are you clicking on new loco?

If so make sure you choose either Diesel or Steam under Paragon 3 and not rolling thunder.? That is the only thing I can think to tell you.? I am sure others will have advice.

David

On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:30 PM, Bill Knecht <wfknecht@...> wrote:

I am having a problem programing paragon 3 decoders.? Has anyone found how to program them with JMRI? I am using JMRI ver 4.13.2 and
can't get any changes to enter into the decoders on the programing track.

Re: Full timetable automation - AutoDispatcher 2 - abstraction - documentation - scripting

#150976

James,

I think you need to define “full timetable system”.  My definition is a system that describes the railroad and the scheduled trains indicating the times those trains will be at each location.  The output is the employee timetable.  This is used to implement “timetable and train order” operations.   It can also feed a train management system which is responsible for day to day train activity.

My idea is based on a timetable system that I developed in the early 90s.  The current version is a web based application.  That system requires supplying all of the layout data, such as distance between locations, along with planned trains with their speeds, stops, etc.

Dave Sand

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On Aug 21, 2018, at 5:16 PM, jamespetts via Groups.Io <jamespetts@...> wrote:

I suspect that Andy is probably right (if I understand him correctly) and that the best implementation of a full timetable system would be perhaps a little more from the ground up than the lighter implementation suggested by David - but it is interesting that this topic is being discussed at all.

As Andy noted, one would need to start by understanding what users might actually want to do, and then consider what abstraction layers are necessary to generalise these functions into a workable set of algorithms in a way that interfaces well with the existing systems and data structures.

Programing BLI Paragon 3 decoders

Bill Knecht

#150975

I am having a problem programing paragon 3 decoders.? Has anyone found how to program them with JMRI? I am using JMRI ver 4.13.2 and
can't get any changes to enter into the decoders on the programing track.

Re: Speed steps Decoder pro Test Throttle

#150974

Bob, thanks. I tried saving as default. You are probably right that i have to bring the default up each time. This has been going on for me for a couple of years. I just have to remember to go through the motions to change the throttle to 28 speed steps each time. If you are not aware of this the throttle slider can only move about i/4th the travel and then the decoder returns to zero speed. Makes it look there is something wrong with the decoder but it is the test throttle. Now the club D.P. is doing the same thing. ? Thanks, Rick.

Re: Full timetable automation - AutoDispatcher 2 - abstraction - documentation - scripting

#150973

I suspect that Andy is probably right (if I understand him correctly) and that the best implementation of a full timetable system would be perhaps a little more from the ground up than the lighter implementation suggested by David - but it is interesting that this topic is being discussed at all.

As Andy noted, one would need to start by understanding what users might actually want to do, and then consider what abstraction layers are necessary to generalise these functions into a workable set of algorithms in a way that interfaces well with the existing systems and data structures.

Saved roster

#150972

When I update CVs with the programming file and save the updates to the roster, they are not saved to the roster file in the JMRI file.?? Are there two different roster files and how do I update the correct roster?

Re: Help to Automate my railroad.

#150971

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Why wont train length blocks with only the caboose with resistor be adaquate.

Tony

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On Aug 21, 2018, at 4:59 PM, leo pesce <lpescester@...> wrote:

I have to ask>

Why do blocks need to be longer that max train length? I am assuming all cars have resistors, otherwise yes, I see why blocks need to be like that.

Leo

Re: Help to Automate my railroad.

#150970

I have to ask>

Why do blocks need to be longer that max train length? I am assuming all cars have resistors, otherwise yes, I see why blocks need to be like that.

Leo

Re: Help to Automate my railroad.

#150969

George,

What do you mean by "4 blocks separated”?

The unexpected blocks in the Block table is a known issue which I am currently investigating. 

If you upload your panel xml file to the ProblemsBeingWorkedOn folder, I can review it and make recommendations for the next steps.

Dave Sand

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On Aug 21, 2018, at 2:24 PM, george.pendergraft <gmpender@...> wrote:

I have my layout built physically and in Layout Editor. I have 4 blocks separated in the layout. I am running a Digitrax Loconet system through RR-Cirkits. I am  using Microsoft Vista on my remote (no internet computer)
I have a Turnout table for all my turnouts and they are switched from a remote panel plus the computer.
I have a Block table with many automatic block names set that do not make sense, and I am not sure which one is which or where it is.
I have been reading the help manual and every time I start reading I have to have some other device or setup done to get my trains to run around the track. I am sure it is not that hard, or is it?
I read where I have to have Reporters
I read where I have to have Sensors among other things.
I do NOT read how to set up a train to get it running under what I have, or how to set up the reporter and other things to get MY train working.
It is a pretty large layout but not that big. 3 (4x8) boards. I am using a Zepher 50 to run the trains. All is DCC.
I am only getting more confused as I read the manual. It seems that it used to be a lot simpler.
Please I hope someone can help just to simplify the process.
George

Re: Help to Automate my railroad.

#150968

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Just a few comments

If you have 3. 4x8 board layout and only 4 blocks your not going to have many trains running. ?Your blocks should be train length. ?On my 8x8 layout i have over 40 blocks.

I use digitrax and rrckts interface also. Each block must be connected to the loconet via a bxp88 (8 blocks per device with transponding) or bdl168 (16 blocks per card-no transponding) board. ?Your switches get connected to the loconet via ds64 devices. I believe you can use virtual switches and not actually have your switches connected to the internet. Reporters work off of transponders. Your decoder in your engine must have transponding. Many new one do, old ones dont. Reporters are added to your layout panel and tells you which engine is in which block.

You must have a signal system setup on your layout panel. Again the signals dont have to be real on the layout.

Trains travel from block to block via your layout panel which tells the computer how your blocks are connected. It reads signals at the junction of each block. The computer then runs your trains after you set up routes, transits, and trains. Are you doing operations?

What do you want to do.

Tony

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On Aug 21, 2018, at 3:24 PM, george.pendergraft <gmpender@...> wrote:

I have my layout built physically and in Layout Editor. I have 4 blocks separated in the layout. I am running a Digitrax Loconet system through RR-Cirkits. I am? using Microsoft Vista on my remote (no internet computer)
I have a Turnout table for all my turnouts and they are switched from a remote panel plus the computer.
I have a Block table with many automatic block names set that do not make sense, and I am not sure which one is which or where it is.
I have been reading the help manual and every time I start reading I have to have some other device or setup done to get my trains to run around the track. I am sure it is not that hard, or is it?
I read where I have to have Reporters
I read where I have to have Sensors among other things.
I do NOT read how to set up a train to get it running under what I have, or how to set up the reporter and other things to get MY train working.
It is a pretty large layout but not that big. 3 (4x8) boards. I am using a Zepher 50 to run the trains. All is DCC.
I am only getting more confused as I read the manual. It seems that it used to be a lot simpler.
Please I hope someone can help just to simplify the process.
George

Help to Automate my railroad.

#150967

I have my layout built physically and in Layout Editor. I have 4 blocks separated in the layout. I am running a Digitrax Loconet system through RR-Cirkits. I am? using Microsoft Vista on my remote (no internet computer)
I have a Turnout table for all my turnouts and they are switched from a remote panel plus the computer.
I have a Block table with many automatic block names set that do not make sense, and I am not sure which one is which or where it is.
I have been reading the help manual and every time I start reading I have to have some other device or setup done to get my trains to run around the track. I am sure it is not that hard, or is it?
I read where I have to have Reporters
I read where I have to have Sensors among other things.
I do NOT read how to set up a train to get it running under what I have, or how to set up the reporter and other things to get MY train working.
It is a pretty large layout but not that big. 3 (4x8) boards. I am using a Zepher 50 to run the trains. All is DCC.
I am only getting more confused as I read the manual. It seems that it used to be a lot simpler.
Please I hope someone can help just to simplify the process.
George

Re: Z21 and POM

#150966

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:31 PM, Paul Bender wrote:

?

On Aug 21, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Moreno Mazzini <moreno.mazzini@...> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 02:42 PM, Paul Bender wrote:

Moreno,Build 2696 or later should have all this fix. The problem was an incomplete interpretation of the LocoNet message received.

Paul
Sorry Paul, I tested last build/package available #2655, and now single CV programmer is ok for me, but I have error 306 again if I write a CV in a panel of a decoder definition.

?
Just looking at this again, 2696 is the latest build available at
?

You may need to refresh the page to see it. ?2655 definitely does not have the most recent fix.

?

Paul

Excuse me Paul, I have package 2655 (at I see the lastest build is 2696, but at I see the latest package is 2655).
Seems to me that are the same (build 2696 and package 2655). Both include your commit

Commit by

better interpretation of the loconet messages received.

Sorry, I use wrong word. I confirm I have 306 error when I write a CV in POM in a panel of a decoder definition.
Moreno

Re: Remote Access of Locations Window

#150965

Ken, I'm not aware of any recent changes to the Conductor code.

Re: Z21 and POM

#150964

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On Aug 21, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Moreno Mazzini <moreno.mazzini@...> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 02:42 PM, Paul Bender wrote:

Moreno,Build 2696 or later should have all this fix. The problem was an incomplete interpretation of the LocoNet message received.

Paul
Sorry Paul, I tested last build/package available #2655, and now single CV programmer is ok for me, but I have error 306 again if I write a CV in a panel of a decoder definition.

Just looking at this again, 2696 is the latest build available at

You may need to refresh the page to see it. ?2655 definitely does not have the most recent fix.

Paul

Re: Speed steps Decoder pro Test Throttle

Bob Potter

#150963

Richard,
Once you get the throttle built and framed, if you go to the "File" tab on the throttle itself, you can save your creation as the default throttle.
I think that you may have to bring the default up for each roster entry at least once.
You can also save a different throttle configuration for each roster if you choose.
Bob

Re: Z21 and POM

#150962

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No problem, I will take a look at that again.

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On Aug 21, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Moreno Mazzini <moreno.mazzini@...> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 02:42 PM, Paul Bender wrote:

Moreno,Build 2696 or later should have all this fix. The problem was an incomplete interpretation of the LocoNet message received.

Paul
Sorry Paul, I tested last build/package available #2655, and now single CV programmer is ok for me, but I have error 306 again if I write a CV in a panel of a decoder definition.

Please don't hate me and many thanks for your work.
Moreno

Re: Z21 and POM

#150961

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 02:42 PM, Paul Bender wrote:

Moreno,Build 2696 or later should have all this fix. The problem was an incomplete interpretation of the LocoNet message received.

Paul

Sorry Paul, I tested last build/package available #2655, and now single CV programmer is ok for me, but I have error 306 again if I write a CV in a panel of a decoder definition.

Please don't hate me and many thanks for your work.
Moreno

Re: Full timetable automation - AutoDispatcher 2 - abstraction - documentation - scripting

#150960

I'd be very doubtful about trying to adapt a large complex set of software, with lots of semi-autonomous actions, designed to operate one complex system definition,?? to a quite differently purposed and defined complex system. I'd anticipate a lot of unexpected surprises and unintended consequences.

My career experience has favored understanding and defining the user/market requirements fully first, then designing a suitable functional architecture and matching implementation second. (hardware and software) .

BTW Going a little beyond the restrictions of tracked trolleys, prototype buses on the same or different routes are usually allowed to overtake other stopped buses at any convenient points if the rush hour traffic flow/congestion warrants it. A model of a rapid transit system would typically (try to) include buses as well as trolleys.

Andy

On 8/20/2018 8:05 PM, Dave Sand wrote:
James,

Each scheduled train has its own transit. ?This is required since the times are added as actions. ?This eliminates the shared transit limitation.

An “active train” in the Dispatcher sense uses the modified transit in conjunction with the assigned motive power, etc., as it does now. ?The “planned train” becomes a “real train”.

I see this being a 3 phase project:

 1. Implement the "wait until time" action in Dispatcher. ?Once this
    is in place, a person can manually add the actions to run a train
    by a timetable.
 2. Implement the ability to create a timetable with all of the
    required data including the link to automatically maintain the
    actions.
 3. Provide reporting tools and the ability to export the data.

Dave Sand

On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:26 PM, jamespetts via Groups.Io <jamespetts@... <mailto:jamespetts@...>> wrote:

That is an interesting idea, although I wonder how that will work in conjunction with the limitation that only one train can run a single transit at a time.?Also, I wonder how easy that the UI would be for users to get an overview of the timetable as a whole. Also, would this preclude any system in which?trains were automatically and dymanically assigned to timetable runs, being selected at runtime based on criteria rather than fixed at the point of?timetable creation?

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Re: Remote Access of Locations Window

#150959

Steve,

Does the Conductor screen now allow the options to edit what is there? This
exists on the computer end to say a car wasn't there for pickup, or a car
was found that didn't show. To advance to the next town, you had to
'complete' the work first, and before you couldn't make the changes via the
web. I haven't tested it lately, but last year, the web version only let you
say you completed the work and advance to the new town.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org

Re: Remote Access of Locations Window

#150958

Hi Mike,

You can access the Locations window by selecting "Enable frames" in the Web Preferences. This (mostly) works.

However, it sounds like you also want a web view of the YardMaster window as well, correct? Unfortunately, that window does not work properly with the frameserver. It actually hangs up my JMRI when I click on it.

Trains, Manifest and Conductor have all been rewritten as web applications, which seem to work well. The Trains and YardMaster functions could also be rewritten as web apps, but no one has yet undertaken to do the work.

Meanwhile, depending on your server setup, you may be able to use a remote control app, VNC, TeamViewer, etc. to share your server desktop screen including these windows out to your tablet client(s).

I will create a JMRI issue to create web versions of the Locations and YardMaster windows. One difficulty is finding someone willing and able to write the web apps who also knows enough about JMRI Operations to verify the functionality.

Regards,

? SteveT

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On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 9:04 AM mopacmike <mopacmike@...> <mopacmike@...> wrote:

Hello.? I've successfully connected to JMRI from my Android Tablet via Google Chrome.? JMRI is running on my Windows 7 PC.? From the remote screen, the only thing I see listed under the Operations tab is the TRAINS window. From it, I can view the Manifest and Conductor views. ?
Is it possible to also access the LOCATIONS window remotely??
What I would like to do is mount an android tablet at the yard so that the yardmaster can click on the YARDMASTER buttons in the LOCATIONS window during a session.
Is there something I can do from my PC to make the Locations window shareable?
Thanks,
Mike