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Re: Looking for ideas to mirror SE8C signals between two panels

 

Take a look at

jython/FollowSE8c.py

It listens to LocoNet (i.e. the other computer¡¯s traffic) and sets a local virtual signal head to correspond to the actual SE8c signal head.

Bob
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Re: Looking for ideas to mirror SE8C signals between two panels

 


> Assuming that you are using "Signal Masts", it is MUCH easier to just
> use JMRI "signal mast repeaters".? See
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I am using signal masts but the issue is the signal mast that I want to repeat/mirror is running on a different computer and separate instance of JMRI.? The SignalMastRepeater requires this instance of JMRI/panel to have the original signal mast defined in order to configure a repeater.? I'm trying to repeat a signal mast across two computers and two JMRI instances

On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 5:42?AM billybob experimenter via <jawhugrps=[email protected]> wrote:

On 5/18/2025 10:19 PM, cengel_74 via wrote:

> My first attempt was to just write logix to monitor for the turnout
> status changes that are used to control the SE8C and then set the
> appearance of a virtual signal head to match the state.

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> Is there a better way to do what I'm trying to do or is there something
> wrong with my logix that will fix this issue?

Chris,

Assuming that you are using "Signal Masts", it is MUCH easier to just
use JMRI "signal mast repeaters".? See

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Re: JMRI merchandise for donations

 

Just perused the Lakeshores attire at Daylight Sales. The prices are not bad especially considering it includes custom embroidery.?

I¡¯m in for a JMRI shirt.?

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Re: Looking for ideas to mirror SE8C signals between two panels

 

On 5/18/2025 10:19 PM, cengel_74 via groups.io wrote:

My first attempt was to just write logix to monitor for the turnout status changes that are used to control the SE8C and then set the appearance of a virtual signal head to match the state.
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Is there a better way to do what I'm trying to do or is there something wrong with my logix that will fix this issue?
Chris,

Assuming that you are using "Signal Masts", it is MUCH easier to just use JMRI "signal mast repeaters". See .
Re: Engine and bell sounds work but no horn after decoder install

 

Hello Dan,

typically, for North American sound projects, the horn is not on sound slot 2 but on sound slot 3 or 4 (the one that's not the bell - I can't remember and projects.esu.eu doesn't load for me right now)

If I were in your shoes, I'd ask the sound project number from Tony's Train Xchange and look it up on projects.esu.eu to find the bulletin and list of functions to verify, and/or download the project and open it with LokProgrammer software if you have a Windows 7+ machine available. You don't need the LokProgrammer hardware to run the LokProgrammer software and it will show you more info on the sound slots than JMRI can.

Note: For sound, you don't need the Grade Crossing logical function. That's a modifier for the light outputs - if they are set to Ditchlight effect, they will blink as long as the Grade Crossing logical function is on.

Hope this helps,
Heiko

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Re: 12 hour JMRI clocks

 

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Steve et al,

I am late to this discussion but here is my two cents.??

I have lived with the 0 to 24 hour clock since my teen years.? I wish everyone and everything would go to the 24 hour clock.? I used it in cadets, in the navy, on the railway, in BC Corrections and with the Corps of Commissionaires on contract to the Saanich Police.? I it simple and straight forward with no room for question or misunderstanding.

Paul

On 2025-05-18 19:33, Steve_G via groups.io wrote:

Early 12hr digital clocks that had an alarm had a dot in the top left of the first digit for PM. Public clocks and ones without alarms didn't need to tell you whether it was pre or post noon. Never ever saw one on a railway clock.
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Before displaying the clock as 0 thru 24 was called Military time it was known as Railway time. The CPR has dispatched trains using 0 thru 24 std time for at least a hundred years though they used 0 thru 12 local times on printed schedules for end user consumption.
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BR didn't switch until the 1960s, it could why it's called the old country......
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Re: 12 hour JMRI clocks

 

Early 12hr digital clocks that had an alarm had a dot in the top left of the first digit for PM. Public clocks and ones without alarms didn't need to tell you whether it was pre or post noon. Never ever saw one on a railway clock.
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Before displaying the clock as 0 thru 24 was called Military time it was known as Railway time. The CPR has dispatched trains using 0 thru 24 std time for at least a hundred years though they used 0 thru 12 local times on printed schedules for end user consumption.
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BR didn't switch until the 1960s, it could why it's called the old country......
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Steve G.
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Looking for ideas to mirror SE8C signals between two panels

 

I'm working on getting signals and CTC running on a layout that has three separate dispatch panels for different zones running using?PanelPro.? Where those zones meet I'm trying to mirror the state of some of the signals between the two panels.? This is to enable the dispatchers?to know when trains are cleared up to their zones and to also enable some CTC logic to block one dispatcher from routing a train into a block if the other dispatcher has someone cleared into the block from their direction.

The two dispatch panels are connected to a server using loconet over tcp so each one can see the activity on the loconet bus.

My first attempt was to just write logix to monitor for the turnout status changes that are used to control the SE8C and then set the appearance of a virtual signal head to match the state.
Ex:
IX:AUTO:0039C9 ?Aurora WEB Main2 Green ?
? ? [x] ?R1 ?IF ?Turnout "LT1552" state is "Turnout Closed" ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ?THEN ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?When Triggered True, Set Signal Head Appearance, "LH2" to Green ?

? IX:AUTO:0039C10 ?Aurora WEB Main2 Red ?
? ? [x] ?R1 ?IF ?Turnout "LT1552" state is "Turnout Thrown" ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ?THEN ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?When Triggered True, Set Signal Head Appearance, "LH2" to Red ?

? IX:AUTO:0039C11 ?Aurora WEB Main2 Yellow ?
? ? [x] ?R1 ?IF ?Turnout "LT1553" state is "Turnout Thrown" ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ?THEN ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?When Triggered True, Set Signal Head Appearance, "LH2" to Yellow ?

? IX:AUTO:0039C12 ?Aurora WEB Main2 Dark ?
? ? [x] ?R1 ?IF ?Turnout "LT1553" state is "Turnout Closed" ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ?THEN ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?When Triggered True, Set Signal Head Appearance, "LH2" to Dark??
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This worked in my testing as I was always changing the state of a turnout from closed->thrown or thrown->closed when testing using the turnout table manually.? However when tested on the real layout it didn't work.

The panel could see the traffic when I monitored the loconet traffic:
image.png
In this trace you see a 2 head signal where the aspect is changing from red over red -> yellow over red -> red over red.??

The problem with my logix is that the two turnouts that matter LT1552/LT1553 controlling the SE8C never actually change state in JMRI they are always in the thrown?state and just sent a message to 'Throw' which is then not triggering my logix as I expected it to.? I expected the 'Execute Actions whenever triggered' would mean that the logix would run everytime?the message to throw the turnout was sent but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Is there a better way to do what I'm trying to do or is there something wrong with my logix that will fix this issue?

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Re: JMRI merchandise for donations

 

Several NMRA Divisions as well as OpSIG use Daylight Sales for apparel so I'd almost be certain that they could do something for JMRI. However I'd caution against a white shirt. They don't stay white for long. A heather gray could work though.

Except for a? possible set-up charge to create the logo (about $125-$150), here's some examples of what certain shirts/jackets would cost.??Adding a name to the front is an extra $7.50.?

Ed
PanelPro - sluggish

 

this is on a modest sized club layout.? (see Illinois Midland Model Railroad club on FB)
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We are using NCE PowerPro 5A serial/usb to a RPi.? ?panel pro 4.21.3? ?
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I had control point turnouts setup and working well.
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Then added PSX/AIU for detection. After adding in the sensors and the corresponding panel lights.
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the function of the panel has become very sluggish, might take 20-30 seconds to throw a turnout/crossover.?
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?Any ideas what has happened ?? ?too much for RPi? ?? ? only 8 sensors added, doesnt seem like that much, wanted to add about 6 more.
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We have Azatrax so no jmri signaling.
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any help or suggestions appreciated.
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Bryan?

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Re: JMRI merchandise for donations

 

Personally I would prefer something other than white as I cannot keep a white shirt white for more than a few minutes.
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Re: Need Help Creating a Power Panel for my Layout

 

Check out PDF file I have files section under Bob Cochran. I have the all the parts listed that I used. The problem with EB1 is the same as Tony's old power shields is that don't have a logic output, but you can use the pins 3 & 4 to control an Opto isolator to connect to AIU. If you don't have use for the extra remote Led's they can be left off and the circuit can be even simpler to build.
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Bob C
Re: 12 hour JMRI clocks

 

I would think a Nixie display would display "A" or "P" in much the same way as a "7-segment" LED, bu using the existing appropriate segments in a way that does not encode for a digit. (They would not be likely to add neon to get "specialty" forms, as the cost would likely be rather high.)
Nixies don¡¯t have segments. Each digit is a separate electrode in the tube, which makes a neon glow when a voltage is applied to it. That¡¯s how they get such good looking digits.

I¡¯ve never seen an ¡°A¡± or ¡°P¡± electrode in a numeric Nixie tube, though they certainly could exist. And even if they don¡¯t exist, perhaps somebody good with image manipulation tools could make up something that looks OK.

Bob

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Engine and bell sounds work but no horn after decoder install

 

Hello - I have just completed my first decoder installation, an ESU LokSound 5 and Decoder Buddy into an Atlas Gold Series GP40-2 that previously had an old QSI decoder. The LokSound decoder was purchased from, and programmed by, Tony's Train Xchange. Motion, lights and some sounds (engine and bell) are working, but there is no horn sound when I press either F2 or the Horn button on my NCE throttle. (BTW, I also noticed that the F3 coupler sound does not work; there may be others.) I have been trying to determine how to fix this.
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I am using the JMRI version 5.10 DecoderPro, and created the roster entry by doing a "read all sheets" in the programmer. On the Function Map tab, I saw that F2 was not mapped to anything, so I mapped it to Sound slot 2, which I read is the "standard" mapping. But the drop-down list of Logical Functions provided by DecoderPro does not have "horn" listed, so I selected Grade Crossing as my best guess. Is this list fixed, or built based on what DecoderPro reads from the decoder? Either way, the horn still does not sound with F2 or the Horn button. On the Sound Levels tab, I also verified that Sound slot 2 volume is set to a non-zero value (100 in my case).
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Is there anything else I should verify, and/or does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you!
~Dan
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Re: 12 hour JMRI clocks

 

On 5/18/2025 7:43 AM, Ken Cameron wrote:

Nixie clock would be hardest. Matching that, I don¡¯t know, those are photos of the real thing. Closest I¡¯d guess for that would be a pair (or single) LED graphic to show the state of AM/PM. Or maybe modify the colon to blink for PM?
I would think a Nixie display would display "A" or "P" in much the same way as a "7-segment" LED, bu using the existing appropriate segments in a way that does not encode for a digit. (They would not be likely to add neon to get "specialty" forms, as the cost would likely be rather high.)

The Pragotron, another I¡¯d really don¡¯t know.
This would pr probably "just" be a couple of "flippable" cards, with "A" or "AM" (for English) on one card-set, and "P" or "PM" on another card-set. For JMRI, it would be just another gif or png file for each image, kinda like the volt/current meters do.
Re: 12 hour JMRI clocks

 

On 5/18/2025 9:43 AM, Peter Ulvestad via groups.io wrote:

Anyone have an idea on what hardware this is? Or if this statement is accurate?
This should probably be tken to the jmri-developers list, not jmriusers. But since it has been asked, I do not see any indication that JMRI implements this for sopporting _any_ hardware clock. The "simpleclock" has a mechanism to _set_ the setting from that checkbox, but JMRI's "interface" does _not_ provide any mechanism to _get_ that setting. So JMRI may not have any "common" solution to pass that setting on to JMRI's code which interfaces to the hardware clock. And so any JMRI implementation which can work with a hardware clock probably does not use any common solution that other hardware can use...

AND NOTE: The initial poster's request was explicitly defined to apply to JMRI's display. But the particular checkbox in question and its "tooltip" would (probably) not apply to the user's request. According to the tooltip, this checkbox is _supposed_ to affect the _hardware_ clocks, _not_ the JMRI displays.
Re: JMRI merchandise for donations

 

On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:34 AM, Heath @ Human[c]ity Junction wrote:


Is there a shirt color and logo for JMRI?
I would go for a white shirt with a black logo. A nice coffee mug would be great too.

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Re: JMRI merchandise for donations

 

Bob Jacobsen: Once you contact Daylight Sales, please post approximate cost of a shirt, assuming your conversation with Daylight is productive.? That way others can express interest, which might be helpful if Daylight requires a minimum initial order.? Thanks for doing this.? Depending on price, I am definitely interested.
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Regards,
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Re: Need Help Creating a Power Panel for my Layout

 

I am not an NCE person, but I would try an NCE AIU and see if that works.
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Re: JMRI merchandise for donations

 

On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 12:35 PM, Tom Myrick wrote:
telling the world that you are a geek
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Unfortunately I do not think I need a shirt to tell the world this. It's likely really obvious based on my (lack of) athletic prowess :)
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