Re: DecoderPro no loco roster
#roster
You must have changed something for this to happen.? Can you recall any changes at all you made to JMRI or your computer setup between when everything worked and you noticed your issues?
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Tom
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Dick,
I read it differently. I quote: "It became necessary to RE-install". That implies an existing installation, with (who knows?) any of panel files, scripts, roster, profiles, connected hardware. Which is why I stand by what I wrote. If there was nothing on the old machine/installation that needs salvaging, you are, of course, totally correct.
Wouter
Wouter,
He is not trying to get something that was working working again.
He has upgraded to a completely new machine and installed from
scratch. What I am suggesting is that he shouldn't try to
duplicate his old setup on a new machine, but rather to use
current software versions on a new setup. There is no reason that
I am aware of that JMRI 4.26 shouldn't be able to run on Java 17.
Dick :)
On 4/11/2025 9:50 AM, whmvd via
wrote:
I could not disagree more. Much better to get
working what was once working (albeit on other hardware), than
to try to upgrade from something that does not work, in the
(guaranteed vain) hope of a magic fix happening along the way.
It's just not good fault-finding procedure.
Only add an upgrade into the mix once 4.26 works
again. Java 8 plus jmri 4.26 is a perfectly feasible combo,
and there's no reason for a knee-jerk upgrade just because
newer stuff exists.
Wouter?
Richard,
You have a modern computer, but are running very old
software.
Uninstall Java 8. It is a decade old now and no longer
supported. Go to
to download Java 17 JRE. Once that is done, then follow
the JMRI release notes to upgrade JMRI to a current
version. Once that is done, then see if you still have
the issue. If so ask your question again.
Dick :)
On 4/10/2025 8:56 PM, rprdds24 via
wrote:
Recently it became necessary to reinstall Java and
JMRI. First, I checked that both programs were
uninstalled. I then installed Java? Version 8 Update
441 and JMRI Version 4.26+R381. Both were problem free
installs. I then tried to start JMRI so I could load
my roster. The Java icon and the DecoderPro icon
appeared in the taskbar and the small JMRI splash
screen appeared in the middle of my screen. That's as
far as the startup got. I've listed my equipment
below. What am I missing? I'd appreciate any help in
getting started.?
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Richard Richter
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Dell Lattude 3190 2-in-1 Laptop Computer
Microsoft Windows? 11 Pro
RR-CirKits LocoBuffer-NG Rev-a
Digitrax ZephyrXtra DCS 51 Command Station
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Test release 5.11.5 of JMRI/DecoderPro is available for download
#announcement
Test release 5.11.5 of JMRI/DecoderPro is available for download.
This is the next in a series of test releases that will culminate in a production release, hopefully in June 2025. It's really helpful when people download, install and use these test releases so we can find and fix any inadvertent new problems early.
If you are currently using JMRI 4.99.10 or earlier, there is an update process that we strongly recommend. See the release note section on updates:
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For more information on the issues, new features and bug fixes in 5.11.5 please see the release note:
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Note that JMRI is made available under the GNU General Public License. For more information, please see our copyright and licensing page.
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The download links, along with lots of other information which we hope you'll read, can be found on the release note page:
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Bob
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Bob Jacobsen
rgj1927@...
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Re: jmri 5.10 automation no longer functions
Still need where speed can be controlled when using automation Tony
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On Apr 10, 2025, at 6:21?PM, AD <bklyns_baseball_club@...> wrote:
? Any info on how to find any other variables controlling speed during automation. The engines ,3 of them, ?dont run very fast even at 100% speed by ?throttle but the automation is running them at a hardly moving speed when i set speed to max in blocks and 200% in creation. ?Thus they stop when going over switches as they have no momentum to get them past the 1.5 inch throwing mechanism which does not have power.
Tony On Apr 10, 2025, at 1:42?PM, AD <bklyns_baseball_club@...> wrote:
? Dear Steve
Some of my engines run extremely slow in automation ?and run faster with throttle control. ?My speed in the block table is maximum and my speed in create train is 200% maximum.
Where else is speed during automation controlled?
Also i noticed the last table in the list of tables was something like warrants but it¡¯s no longer there. ?Why was that page eliminated and if it was warrents where are the warrents settings now
Tony
On Apr 8, 2025, at 10:10?PM, Steve_G via groups.io <RailRodder22@...> wrote:
? Tony
What you describe sounds like you are using "head only". Try loco by itself with the correct length and "full trian" detection.
Steve G.
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Wouter,
He is not trying to get something that was working working again.
He has upgraded to a completely new machine and installed from
scratch. What I am suggesting is that he shouldn't try to
duplicate his old setup on a new machine, but rather to use
current software versions on a new setup. There is no reason that
I am aware of that JMRI 4.26 shouldn't be able to run on Java 17.
Dick :)
On 4/11/2025 9:50 AM, whmvd via
groups.io wrote:
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I could not disagree more. Much better to get
working what was once working (albeit on other hardware), than
to try to upgrade from something that does not work, in the
(guaranteed vain) hope of a magic fix happening along the way.
It's just not good fault-finding procedure.
Only add an upgrade into the mix once 4.26 works
again. Java 8 plus jmri 4.26 is a perfectly feasible combo,
and there's no reason for a knee-jerk upgrade just because
newer stuff exists.
Wouter?
Richard,
You have a modern computer, but are running very old
software.
Uninstall Java 8. It is a decade old now and no longer
supported. Go to
to download Java 17 JRE. Once that is done, then follow
the JMRI release notes to upgrade JMRI to a current
version. Once that is done, then see if you still have
the issue. If so ask your question again.
Dick :)
On 4/10/2025 8:56 PM, rprdds24 via
wrote:
Recently it became necessary to reinstall Java and
JMRI. First, I checked that both programs were
uninstalled. I then installed Java? Version 8 Update
441 and JMRI Version 4.26+R381. Both were problem free
installs. I then tried to start JMRI so I could load
my roster. The Java icon and the DecoderPro icon
appeared in the taskbar and the small JMRI splash
screen appeared in the middle of my screen. That's as
far as the startup got. I've listed my equipment
below. What am I missing? I'd appreciate any help in
getting started.?
--
Richard Richter
?
Dell Lattude 3190 2-in-1 Laptop Computer
Microsoft Windows? 11 Pro
RR-CirKits LocoBuffer-NG Rev-a
Digitrax ZephyrXtra DCS 51 Command Station
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Re: Paragon4 (400a) Decoder Programming issues
Don: ? True, everything seem to be working now. ? Thanks, ? Joe ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Shroyer via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 6:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Paragon4 (400a) Decoder Programming issues? I've also posted before about my own experience with CV 217 and Paragon3s. I've mentioned the values that have worked for me with various models (20-70), and that the trick on the programming track seems to be to write the new value, and then read it back to confirm. If the the new value did write, you've found your setting.
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Re: Signal Mast Logic Translation Latency
#sml
So, what type of turnout are you using? -
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All signal masts are controlled by CT turnouts (CMRI Network). All signals correspond to their CT values as intended and function as intended when the system is not acting up.?
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- Hunter
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I could not disagree more. Much better to get working what was once working (albeit on other hardware), than to try to upgrade from something that does not work, in the (guaranteed vain) hope of a magic fix happening along the way. It's just not good fault-finding procedure.
Only add an upgrade into the mix once 4.26 works again. Java 8 plus jmri 4.26 is a perfectly feasible combo, and there's no reason for a knee-jerk upgrade just because newer stuff exists.
Wouter?
Richard,
You have a modern computer, but are running very old software.
Uninstall Java 8. It is a decade old now and no longer supported.
Go to
to download Java 17 JRE. Once that is done, then follow the JMRI
release notes to upgrade JMRI to a current version. Once that is
done, then see if you still have the issue. If so ask your
question again.
Dick :)
On 4/10/2025 8:56 PM, rprdds24 via
wrote:
Recently it became necessary to reinstall Java and JMRI.
First, I checked that both programs were uninstalled. I then
installed Java? Version 8 Update 441 and JMRI Version 4.26+R381.
Both were problem free installs. I then tried to start JMRI so I
could load my roster. The Java icon and the DecoderPro icon
appeared in the taskbar and the small JMRI splash screen
appeared in the middle of my screen. That's as far as the
startup got. I've listed my equipment below. What am I missing?
I'd appreciate any help in getting started.?
--
Richard Richter
?
Dell Lattude 3190 2-in-1 Laptop Computer
Microsoft Windows? 11 Pro
RR-CirKits LocoBuffer-NG Rev-a
Digitrax ZephyrXtra DCS 51 Command Station
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Re: Virtual Signal Masts for End-Blocks
A signal mast that is only a SML destination mast will automatically display Stop.
Dave Sand
----- Original message ----- Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Virtual Signal Masts for End-Blocks Date: Friday, April 11, 2025 3:13 AM
All my spurs are terminated with virtual dwarf masts. All are set to stop and saved. My SML is auto-generated. The mast at the turnout throat rightly displays approach when the turnout is aligned to the ?spur. -- Ken NYNH&H, Old Colony Division, Cape Cod Branch (1949-1959) Loconet * JMRI 5.11.4 * OSX,Win10,Ubuntu Blog: ? Youtube:
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Re: Signal Mast Logic Translation Latency
#sml
On 4/11/2025 8:35 AM, Hunter via groups.io wrote: *"you would be using turnout driven signal heads which are then on a signal mast using signal heads, correct?" - *
I setup the signals as "signal masts" with no "signal heads" using the output mast matrix setup. So, "No, but yes". "No", because you are not uning "signal heads". But "YES", because you are using "Output Matrix Mast" signals which each can use multiple "Turnouts". So, what type of turnout are you using? If "LT*" Turnouts, that's probably your problem - see /g/jmriusers/message/241217 , where I provided a link that (usually) provides the cause of the problem, and provides a BUNCH of potential solutions...
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Richard,
You have a modern computer, but are running very old software.
Uninstall Java 8. It is a decade old now and no longer supported.
Go to
to download Java 17 JRE. Once that is done, then follow the JMRI
release notes to upgrade JMRI to a current version. Once that is
done, then see if you still have the issue. If so ask your
question again.
Dick :)
On 4/10/2025 8:56 PM, rprdds24 via
groups.io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Recently it became necessary to reinstall Java and JMRI.
First, I checked that both programs were uninstalled. I then
installed Java? Version 8 Update 441 and JMRI Version 4.26+R381.
Both were problem free installs. I then tried to start JMRI so I
could load my roster. The Java icon and the DecoderPro icon
appeared in the taskbar and the small JMRI splash screen
appeared in the middle of my screen. That's as far as the
startup got. I've listed my equipment below. What am I missing?
I'd appreciate any help in getting started.?
--
Richard Richter
?
Dell Lattude 3190 2-in-1 Laptop Computer
Microsoft Windows? 11 Pro
RR-CirKits LocoBuffer-NG Rev-a
Digitrax ZephyrXtra DCS 51 Command Station
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Re: Signal Mast Logic Translation Latency
#sml
"Are you using flashing aspects?" -
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We do not use any flashing aspects.
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"you would be using turnout driven signal heads which are then on a signal mast using signal heads, correct?" -?
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I setup the signals as "signal masts" with no "signal heads" using the output mast matrix setup.
"Does it seem to mater if only one train it out there vs a number of trains?" -?
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It seems to starts to fall behind when there is around 4-5+ trains (Not uncommon for us) it starts as lag then just becomes frozen with occasional alternating colors. We use resistance based block detection with a 15 second debounce and I am getting all of that data as usual with no noticeable lag in on my panel even while the signals go crazy.?
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Re: Signal Mast Logic Translation Latency
#sml
1). I am seeing this with all signal masts on the layout.
2). It seems to be present on startup and then come and go after I let it settle for several minutes after startup. It seems like it chokes under higher load with several trains running knocking down signals.
3). Everything as for the JMRI interface, WIThrottles, (I use a TCS-UWT50) all run as usual with no issues.
4). Agree, only interaction is an indirect correlation with the signal mast logic.?
5). Same result after startup, everything is stalled. ~10 Minutes to clear up and start reflecting changes in the turnout tables.
6). In logix disabled mode: Update- [ 219.086, 208.914, 428.000 ] Collect Memory - [ 103.949, 284.051, 388.000 ]
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Re: Signal Mast Logic Translation Latency
#sml
Hunter, ? Are you using flashing aspects? ? Now with the masts being on CMRI, that means you would be using turnout driven signal heads which are then on a signal mast using signal heads, correct? ? Since the physical turnouts and the lamps are also turnouts, they go to the node all at one time. You don¡¯t see any latency with the physical turnouts but the signals seem the problem. Does it seem to mater if only one train it out there vs a number of trains? ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: Signal Mast Logic Translation Latency
#sml
Sorry for the trouble you¡¯re having. Getting "the same result running the layout in simulation¡± pretty much rules out problems with the physical C/MRI network and LocoNet. So we need to look at what¡¯s happening within JMRI itself. The timescale of "changing the signal aspect from the mast table will choke up and take anywhere from seconds to several minutes to change¡± is very long to explain by the computer merely being busy. There¡¯s probably some explicit delays in there. It¡¯s not about input timing, debouncing, etc, as you¡¯re seeing it when directly driving the mast aspect from the mast table. Let¡¯s try to get a bit more information which might narrow this down. When testing with the simulator: A) Are you seeing the problem on all masts, or just some? B) Does it happen consistently once it starts, or does it come and go? If it¡¯s consistent, perhaps some resource is getting used up that eventually slows down the operation. C) When delay is happening, do other things seem slow too? E.g. selecting another row in the table, windows moving, pulling down a menu, etc? D) This comment seems to indicate that there are no Logix involved in the signaling: I use logix and a few custom scripts that only run during operations (rarely). The logix is primarily for telling the system a Digitrax LT switch is supposed to correspond to a CMRI CT switch. I also have some logix rules that can disable all turnouts to digitrax users and selectively "unlock" switches by the dispatcher. But nothing directly interacts with signal masts in logix. It would be good to confirm that. There¡¯s a brief time during PanelPro startup where you can press F8 to disable Logix. Could you please try that and see if it makes any difference? E) Similarly, if you _temporarily_ disable any scripts you¡¯re loading in the Preferences -> Startup Pane, does that change anything? F) Finally, could you please open the Memory Usage Monitor from the Debug menu, click ¡°Update¡±, and let me know what the three numbers say? Then click ¡°Collect Memory¡±, which will give you three new numbers, please include them in the reply. Thanks! Bob ¡ª Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Re: Signal Mast Logic Translation Latency
#sml
I use logix and a few custom scripts that only run during operations (rarely). The logix is primarily for telling the system a Digitrax LT switch is supposed to correspond to a CMRI CT switch. I also have some logix rules that can disable all turnouts to digitrax users and selectively "unlock" switches by the dispatcher. But nothing directly interacts with signal masts in logix.
We run at the minimum baud of 9800 for now until our network is complete, then we will consider raising the rate. We are getting no initialization messages, I have monitored the network metrics closely and get a poll time of about 80ms on average. We probably have about 200 ft of cable in the network connecting node to node. We use a RS485 serial with 3 pins (A, B, Ground). Changing how many pins we use is not an option as our custom boards will not allow it. As far as I can tell the CMRI network is running as usual.
Some other possibly relevant info: we were running JMRI 5.8 till yesterday when I pushed us to 5.10. We are using the recommended Java version 17. We use output mast matrix "signal masts" for our configuration. We run the NS-2008 system.??
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Thomas,
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While I use a Digitrax EVOXD for main track power, on the programming track where I do all my programming, I use a Sprog 3.
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Would the possibility of a slot issue affect there?
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And bluntly, your suggested procedure, while once again cumbersome and time consuming, would not explain why a CVs tab compare would miss the "bad" CV.
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Regards
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Thanks Dan.? Keep forgetting that 1 train restriction.? Had my Arrival track set for pickups "any"
?Doug
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Re: Paragon4 (400a) Decoder Programming issues
Joe,
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I've also posted before about my own experience with CV 217 and Paragon3s. I've mentioned the values that have worked for me with various models (20-70), and that the trick on the programming track seems to be to write the new value, and then read it back to confirm. If the the new value did write, you've found your setting.
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Regards
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Re: Signal Mast Logic Translation Latency
#sml
On 4/10/2025 11:30 PM, Hunter via groups.io wrote: I am convinced it does not have to do with the CMRI network as I get the same result running the layout in simulation at home on a very powerful computer. Are you using ANY "Logix", "LogixNG", or "Jython Scripting" which can cause a signal mast to change its indication? That could cause the "SML logic" to "oscillate" between indications - one from JMRI's SML logic, and another from the other "logic". I would suggest that you look at the JMRI "Signal Masts" table, and look for one or more masts that are changing in odd ways. What Baud rate are the CPNodes running at? Can you run the network at a higher Baud rate reliably? How much cable exists in your RS-422.RS-485 network? Do you see _any_ problems where JMRI must re-initialize _any_ CMRI nodes? If so, you will need to resolve the problems that cause the "re-initialization" problems. "Re-initialization" should NOT be necessary on a well-architected RS422/RS-485 network. If you have "Re-initialization" problems, then the problem is often a hardware problem. I would suggest that the "4-wire" RS-422/RS-485 connection is likely a problem, and that a properly-installed 5-wire cable, with a "hack" to connect each "fifth wire" to the "ground" _at each end_ will likely reduce/resolve the "re-initialization" problem. But that is not a JMRI problem or a JMRI solution, so I won't go into that any further. There are other "issues" with RS-422/RS-485 networks, but those are not JMRI problems, so I won't go into those any further.
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Tom Myrick
Bob Jacobsen
Ken Cameron