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Yes I have several older phones and a couple of iPods that work just fine as throttles.? The disadvantage is that as the software (apps) advance you won't be able to install new versions on those older devices.? However, they are still working with the older outdated apps.? There is a risk that the WiThrottle Server software will advance to the point where the older devices will no longer connect to the server and work as throttles.
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Would an old(er) or current phone without a SIM connect to a stand alone wifi network? That way, no connection to the outside world.

The phone would obviously have to connect to the outside world to install needed applications.

Dale

On 4/14/2025 11:35 AM, Heiko Rosemann via groups.io wrote:

Perry,

On 4/14/25 16:20, Perry Stephen via groups.io wrote:

So I had a thought?about a way to keep Win10 without sacrificing security, but I don't know if it will work. I use cell phones as throttles, so of course I need to be connected?to WiFi . If I were to get another?WiFi router?and set up a second?SSID that is local only (not connected?to the internet), and connect the cell phones to that WiFi router, will this work for the cell?phone?throttles?

Generally speaking, yes, that will work. Especially with dedicated Wifi throttles like the TCS UWTs.

Regular phones though will sometimes be hesitant to connect to a WiFi network that has no internet, and quick to disconnect and connect to a different WiFi network with internet.

They do work most of the time, but every once in a while some software update or just a glitch will cause some phones to drop the connection and reconnect to a different WiFi network or just stay on cell data.

In case you connect your Win10 PC to the WiFi as well, the same is true for that device.

The good thing is: You can try it. Just disconnect the router from the internet and check your specific phones.

Hope this helps,
Heiko

Would an old(er) or current phone without a SIM connect to a stand alone wifi network? That way, no connection to the outside world.

The phone would obviously have to connect to the outside world to install needed applications.

Dale

Billybob,

Any one that is that paranoid would not have loaded JMRI in the first place. Upgrades to JMRI are not any more 'suspect' than JMRI is in the first place, so PLEASE don't make any comments that can possibly give anyone even the slightest excuse to not upgrade their version of JMRI.

Dick :)

On 4/14/2025 12:07 PM, Robert Heller via groups.io wrote:

Yes.

Erm, probably not. The WiFi-connected Win-10 machine still can be a target of malware from anything that can be touched by some other device. And any "cell phone" _can_ be a source of malware.

(If you want your computer to be protected from malware, you need to prevent ANY other device from connecting to it - whether by wire OR by wireless means, and even loading any software. One who is really paranoid would never even update JMRI...)

Yes.

At Mon, 14 Apr 2025 09:20:53 -0500 "Perry Stephen via groups.io" <perrystephen100@...> wrote:

HI:

A few days ago I asked a question about upgrading to Win 11, but I have
some reservations about doing so due to risks of hardware compatibility. So
I had a thought about a way to keep Win10 without sacrificing security, but
I don't know if it will work. I use cell phones as throttles, so of course
I need to be connected to WiFi . If I were to get another WiFi router and
set up a second SSID that is local only (not connected to the internet),
and connect the cell phones to that WiFi router, will this work for the
cell phone throttles? This would allow me to keep my Win 10 machine
disconnected to the internet, eliminating ant security threats.

Thanks,
Perry

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Perry,

On 4/14/25 16:20, Perry Stephen via groups.io wrote:

So I had a thought?about a way to keep Win10 without sacrificing security, but I don't know if it will work. I use cell phones as throttles, so of course I need to be connected?to WiFi . If I were to get another?WiFi router?and set up a second?SSID that is local only (not connected?to the internet), and connect the cell phones to that WiFi router, will this work for the cell?phone?throttles?

Generally speaking, yes, that will work. Especially with dedicated Wifi throttles like the TCS UWTs.

Regular phones though will sometimes be hesitant to connect to a WiFi network that has no internet, and quick to disconnect and connect to a different WiFi network with internet.

They do work most of the time, but every once in a while some software update or just a glitch will cause some phones to drop the connection and reconnect to a different WiFi network or just stay on cell data.

In case you connect your Win10 PC to the WiFi as well, the same is true for that device.

The good thing is: You can try it. Just disconnect the router from the internet and check your specific phones.

Hope this helps,
Heiko

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There are quite a few accessory decoders available in Europe which model European signalling systems. ?

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Or you could connect an HDMI monitor and USB keyboard and mouse to the Pi to use it like any computer.?

Pi's may be expensive in some parts of the world these days though.

But Steve Todd's build certainly make the setup of a Pi very simple.

Taking this one step further, I use a raspberry Pi ( see Steve Todd’s excellent prepackaged setup) to run JMRI

Then just VNC access from any pc (or device) if I need a real keyboard/mouse

Otherwise I just use WiThrottle

Phil G

On 14 Apr 2025, at 15:34, nicholas murphy via groups.io <nicholas_murphy@...> wrote:

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Hi Perry,

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I use remote desktop software from my Win 11 laptop to access (via WiFi or Ethernet) JMRI running on an older computer that is compatible with my DCC hardware.

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Perhaps that would provide enough security* for your needs?.

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* not sure if just disabling Internet access in Windows 10 software prevents hostile access to a PC.

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Regards

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Nick?

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If the computer is not connected to the internet it will work fine with no fear of "hostile" activity.? The biggest issue is that as software is upgraded it will not be compatible with your older OS.? So eventually you will likely have to upgrade your machine.

You can download software updates using another computer and transfer them to your layout computer using USB drives for added safety.

Windows XP worked for many years after being dropped by Microsoft and is still working today in many situations as long as the hardware hasn't failed.

Hi Perry,

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I use remote desktop software from my Win 11 laptop to access (via WiFi or Ethernet) JMRI running on an older computer that is compatible with my DCC hardware.

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Perhaps that would provide enough security* for your needs?.

?

* not sure if just disabling Internet access in Windows 10 software prevents hostile access to a PC.

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Regards

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Nick?

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Taking this one step further, I use a raspberry Pi ( see Steve Todd’s excellent prepackaged setup) to run JMRI