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Locked Re: Program stalls.

 

PJ,

Your friend could be facing a LocoNet "switch message storm" as described at .

It is most likely on LocoNet-based systems where signaling is via LocoNet. The problem can be exacerbated by having more than one JMRI computer on LocoNet if a certain work-around has not been applied.

The problem is most-easily diagnosed by having JMRI's LocoNet Monitor open during an operating session, with "timestamping" enabled. When the lock-up occurs, look at the LocoNet Monitor window and look for a "storm" of repeated switch messages, where each message gets a command station reply that rejects the switch message.

The web page describes the problem in detail and includes a wide variety of work-arounds.

Regards,
Billybob
Locked Re: Program stalls.

 

The DCC System is Digitrax. Mine at home is also Digitrax. I will not be able to get to him about the sleep mode for a couple days. I can say that the sleep mode is turned off on my computer.
Locked Re: pickup and setout of locos in route #operationspro

 

Hey Dennis,
After I rolled it around in my head awhile thats kinda what I came up with. so thanks for the conformation
Matt Greenwood
Grant NE
Locked Re: pickup and setout of locos in route #operationspro

 

Dan?
So the program does or doesn't tell you to pick up helpers?
Matt Greenwood
Locked Re: pickup and setout of locos in route #operationspro

 

The helpers are just a note on the train's manifest.? The program doesn't move them in the database, so the return is up to you, but the expectation by the program is that the helpers return to their starting location.



Dan
Locked Re: Program stalls.

 

Further to the "how to ask your question" item - I can think of one DCC-system-specific situation which might be in play. But the OP has not (so far as I have noticed) defined which DCC system is in use, so I am not going to speculate and further muddy the waters!

Regards,
Billybob
Locked Re: New JMRI Version breaks my panels #4-18

 

Yes, that is correct.? The 23_2 version is the one where I needed to edit the XML file to change LS0 to LS930 because the new version of JMRI did not like the LS0 designation.? That is the latest version of my panel file.
Locked Re: Program stalls.

 

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 07:43 AM, billybob experimenter wrote:
Please see /g/jmriusers/topic/admin_how_to_ask_your/24915998?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,24915998 for a description of the basic information we will need to begin answering your question.

Regards,
Billybob
If the problem is not ports sleeping, or computer sleeping, then more information is needed as Billybob pointed out.? I remember that scripts have been an issue when "stalling" because an endless loop keeps the computer busy.? If there are scripts running on that computer, that might be an important piece of information for troubleshooting.

Phil in gorgeous Young Harris, Georgia, USA
Locked Re: Panel Editor - Signal Heads not able to be Dragged and Dropped from Palette #paneleditor

Bob England
 

Thanks Dave.? I have not ventured into Test Release territory before.? Looking forward to giving it a go.

BobE
Locked Re: pickup and setout of locos in route #operationspro

 

Hi Matt,

I believe if you want to get the helpers back down the hill you'll need to create a route and a train to build.? Give that a try.

Cheers, Dennis Drury
Dayton, NV

The miracle is this: the more we share the more we have.
Leonard Nimoy



On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 12:05 AM cascaderwy via Groups.Io <cascaderwy=[email protected]> wrote:
Dan
helper service) I was thinking how to get them to return on their own but they are not running on their own they would need to be picked up by a train going the other way and dropped off at the helper base Would this be correct?
?Matt Greenwood

Locked Re: Operations Feature Request #operationspro

 

Hi Matt,

That's one of the great things about JMRI.? You can pick and choose the functions you want and can ignore the others.? I've given clinics on using JMRI operations at NMRA regional and national conventions and wrote an article?published in Model Railroad Hobbyist and the Op SIG journal, so the information is out there.? I think at some point I should update those articles since there has been a great deal of improvements since then.

Cheers, Dennis Drury
Dayton, NV

The miracle is this: the more we share the more we have.
Leonard Nimoy

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 9:22 AM cascaderwy via Groups.Io <cascaderwy=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Dennis,
I didn't realize the DS and Clerk were in two different locales around here we don't have the luxury of having that many operators. If we can get the feature without it being mandatory for operations it sounds like a good idea.One of the problems I run into when teaching someone new is trying to get them to start simple then go for the neat stuff after they learn the basics. The most of the calls I get is from newbies wanting to run schedules, alt. tracks and some of the other things that are great about this program when they have never even built a single train. The biggest thing we as experienced operators with JMRI is to teach the newbies is the KISS method and help them to get up and running before taking them off the deep end of the pool. I think it would be great if we had weekly or so online training course to help newbies learn the program from simple data entry to the complex componets in scheduling and other ideas. I have been fooling around with JMRI for 10 years or so and still am learning new things all the time. I for one would welcome beginer and advanced seminars on JMRI at conventions and train shows. Here in Nebraska we are scattered all over the place and far apart we learn online but sometimes we just have to go hands on in person.
?Sorry this rambles.
Just my thoughts helping newbies and experienced operators with JMRI
This is a great program, Thanks
Matt Greenwood
Cascade Rwy
Grant NE?

Locked Re: dcclighting

 

Hi LD,

Add an Internal Sensor ( to Sensor Table + Panel )

Edit the existing Light and add a "One Sensor Light Control", see


You can then use the Sensor to operate the Light.

Steve.
Locked Re: SCRIPTING - Can a script obtain the names of classes that are already running #scripting

 

Bob,

Sorry to have to ask another newbie question, but you stated in your reply:

You can also iterate through the list of running automats, etc.
I can't see any method to achieve this on the page you referenced, nor can I find an example anywhere.? Would you be so kind as to provide an example of how to iterate through the list of threads displayed in the thread monitor?

Trevor.
Locked Re: Program stalls.

Paul B
 

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Not assessing if the USB port going to sleep is the issue here, however, you can change a setting in Windows to make the USB ports not go to sleep at all. ?That would cure/remedy the ¡®going to sleep¡¯ issue.

At least on Win 7 you can¡­



Paul B/Indy

On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Bob Campisi <bobcampisi11@...> wrote:

I concur, I have Windows 10 and never let it go into sleep mode while JMRi is running or at all, and always?shut down
JMRI when leaving computer for any length?of time. I have had terrible things happen when this is ignored.

Bob Campisi

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 12:06 PM dick bronson via Groups.Io <dick=[email protected]> wrote:

PJ,

You have not given us anything to work with, but one common issue is that Windows will disconnect the serial ports if it goes to sleep. JMRI does not know how to get them going again when Windows wakes up again. The answer is simple. Don't do that. I.e. don't let Windows shut down when there is no activity, or at least set the time before snoozing to a long time with no activity.

Dick :)

On 2/8/2020 9:26 AM, whmvd wrote:
PJ,

Please also elaborate as much as you can on what you mean when you say 'stalling'. Is it slowing down? If so: WHAT is slowing down? Is it stopping completely? If so: is that sudden or is response (in controlling a train or maybe a panel) getting progressively slower before grinding to a halt?

We must seem a collection of pedants, but, really, getting to grips means getting as clear an idea on what goes on as you can possibly give.

Wouter

On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 12:45, Phil in gorgeous Young Harris via Groups.Io <philabernathy=[email protected]> wrote:
PJ, I'm afraid that the description and details are too vague to get a specific answer.? I suspect that troubleshooting will have to involve changing things on that computer such as scripts or panels that are run from the start.??

For example, I suspect that "runaway" scripts with endless loops are the most common issue of a working JMRI that seems to be "stalling" but really, is just too busy to take input from you.? Really bad endless loops can overflow the memory on the computer and actually lock up the computer too.? I have not seen Logix cause that issue, but I have not seen it all, and am not an expert in that.

Phil in gorgeous Young Harris, Georgia, USA
Locked Re: pickup and setout of locos in route #operationspro

 

Dan
helper service) I was thinking how to get them to return on their own but they are not running on their own they would need to be picked up by a train going the other way and dropped off at the helper base Would this be correct?
?Matt Greenwood
Locked Re: pickup and setout of locos in route #operationspro

 

Hey Dan,
That does what I'm wanting thank you. Having read the info a little more about helper service. How does one get the helpers back to their start location after they have been cutoff?
Matt Greenwood
Locked Re: Panel Editor - Signal Heads not able to be Dragged and Dropped from Palette #paneleditor

 

Bob,

The add signal head fix will be included in the 4.19.3 test release.

Dave Sand



----- Original message -----
From: Bob England <rje.bob@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Panel Editor - Signal Heads not able to be Dragged and Dropped from Palette #paneleditor
Date: Saturday, February 08, 2020 9:56 PM

Thanks Dave

That IS promising.? I'm certainly looking forward to a solution!

In the mean time I did as suggested.

I manually manipulated "CatalogTree" for each signal head set to 8 icon definitions.? I tried changing "DWARF and TALLMAST to 8 deleting the LUNAR aspects, but it definitely did not like that!

I changed all signal head definitions in the layout XML file to have 8 icon definitions, and each also now has an icon set definition.? Signal heads still can't be drag-and-dropped from "ADD ITEMS" "SIGNAL HEADS", nor can they be changed by right clicking on signal head and "EDIT SIGNAL HEAD ICON".

I think I'm just going to stop adding signal heads until the code is updated - too much work for this lazy old guy to manually change the layout XML code for each new signal head.

Definitely looking forward to solution!

Thanks?very mcuh?Dave.? I appreciate you looking into this for me and finding the problem.

BobE

Locked Re: New JMRI Version breaks my panels #4-18

 

Bob,

I now get the "not compatible" warnings using your configuration. ?I am loading the "Conemaugh Dispatch Panel 23_2.xml" file.

Dave Sand



----- Original message -----
From: rzeollaorcl <robert.zeolla@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] New JMRI Version breaks my panels #4-18
Date: Saturday, February 08, 2020 6:47 PM

zip file uploaded

Locked Re: Panel Editor - Signal Heads not able to be Dragged and Dropped from Palette #paneleditor

Bob England
 

Thanks Dave

That IS promising.? I'm certainly looking forward to a solution!

In the mean time I did as suggested.

I manually manipulated "CatalogTree" for each signal head set to 8 icon definitions.? I tried changing "DWARF and TALLMAST to 8 deleting the LUNAR aspects, but it definitely did not like that!

I changed all signal head definitions in the layout XML file to have 8 icon definitions, and each also now has an icon set definition.? Signal heads still can't be drag-and-dropped from "ADD ITEMS" "SIGNAL HEADS", nor can they be changed by right clicking on signal head and "EDIT SIGNAL HEAD ICON".

I think I'm just going to stop adding signal heads until the code is updated - too much work for this lazy old guy to manually change the layout XML code for each new signal head.

Definitely looking forward to solution!

Thanks?very mcuh?Dave.? I appreciate you looking into this for me and finding the problem.

BobE
Locked Re: pickup and setout of locos in route #operationspro

 

Yes, you can have up to 2 changes in a train's route.



Dan
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