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Locked Re: JMRI Not Identifying Locomotives Properly

 

Hi Thomas,

That's an intresting notion, but as they are user defined values, it means that you can't trust them to remain constant. Someone might be using them, say, as the date of the last maintenance done to the engine, after which DecoderPro would no longer find it when identifying. Pity, because I like the idea. Maybe, just maybe, it would work with an option in the preferences to turn it on (default: off).

Wouter


On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 22:20, thomasmclae <thomas_applink@...> wrote:
That would be the railcom that I turn off in all my Loksound decoders.
Only a small subset of decoders have that feature, and older decoders of the same brand may not work the same..And we never throw out a working decoder, right?
You are asking for a feature that cannot be retrofitted, and that the Decoder makers see no profit in providing.

At the Club ( with hundreds of roster entries) we make use of the Owner data field. If you get duplicate matches, look at the owner.
And if you have more than one copy of a Lok learn how to renumber the thing. (I have about 6 duplicates on that list).

Someone years ago suggested using CV 105 & 106 as extra match fields. Most NMRA decoders have those. (more than have RailCom) Did that fall out?
The user would have to put data in those CVs, but they are right there on the basic sheet. Maybe too easy?

Thomas
DeSoto, TX

Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

Peter Ross
 

Maybe it is because I only see the digest, Dave, but I'm still lost. I just searched for SwissChris and only found four messages none of which was relevant.
I used to get every message but there was too little of relevance to my situation.
Maybe you could cut and paste what SwissChris said into your reply? It would be interesting to know what it said.
Regards
Peter
Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

 

On 5 Jan 2019, at 8:44 PM, Dave Heap via Groups.Io <dgheap@...> wrote:

Sorry Peter and all, I'll avoid both in future so my quotes do not end up concealed.
In the computer world, fashions come and fashions go.

In my distant days as a sysadmin, "Top Quoting" (new information above quoted text) was a hanging offence.

Then email clients that Top Quoted replies by default came out. Some organisations then began to insist on Top Quoting (all new information must be above quoted text).

Some email clients used to have a changeable preference for Top or Bottom Quoting. But the ones I use now give you no choice about defaults.

Gmail Web and groups.io also Top Quote (place text entry cursor above quoted text).

Sigh. I've been in the computer game too long (coming up to 49 years this year).
--
Dave in Australia
Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

 

Looks like my attempt succeeded:

On 5 Jan 2019, at 8:36 PM, Dave Heap via Groups.Io <dgheap@...> wrote:

Reposting my earlier post in order to see if something I did encouraged groups.io to obfuscate my message.
Problem is I made two changes:
1) Added some text below the quote.
2) Moved my signature block (the -- is the original designation for the end of message and beginning of signature) to the end.

I don't know exactly which one fixed the display in groups.io

Sorry Peter and all, I'll avoid both in future so my quotes do not end up concealed.

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Dave in Australia
Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

 

Reposting my earlier post in order to see if something I did encouraged groups.io to obfuscate my message.

On 5 Jan 2019, at 9:34 AM, SwissChris <chris@...> wrote:

I had to think about it for a few seconds when i came across the terminology in JMRI. Then realised. Think of each decoder as a booklet or loose leaf folder of instructions. These are grouped into sheets in this folder. Each sheet of instructions (or CV's) can be read or written separately, as well as a whole folder. Simples
A very good explanation. Add the term "Tab" as in the index tab you attach to a sheet of paper to make finding it easier.

All this terminology we are using actually comes from the stationery analogy.
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Dave in Australia
Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

 

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Peter,

I quoted the posting from SwissChris below that comment as it is exactly what I was referring to. His analogy was very good.

I suspect that you may be following this topic on the web page:

Unfortunately it hides all quoted parts in a little shaded box with three dots. You have to click on that box to see what has been quoted.

Some email clients also do the same or similar, hiding quoted text behind something like "See more from Dave Heap..."

While it helps for posters who quote the whole topic, it completely obfuscates the message from those of us who quote concisely and correctly.

--?
Dave in Australia

On 5 Jan 2019, at 5:57 PM, Peter Ross <peterr@...> wrote:

unlike Dave Heap's comment, which leaves it unclear as to what his "very good explanation" applies to.
Locked Re: SoundPro Map Engine Start - And UK Sounds

 

Scott,

Right, it's really hard to make nice sound packs.

But at the very beginning is a sound source. Did you find one?

Unfortunately the following site is in German only...

A click on the speaker symbol plays the sound.

On is a 4MT 4-6-0 sound, a sound sample is here:


Did you already found these sources?

Klaus


Am 05.01.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Scott Rixon:

GWR steam is my thing. This is what I figured, shame, but it's not easy to make nice sound packs
Locked Re: Missing Decoder Listings

 

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On the Zimo, usually selecting ¡°nearest similar model¡± will be fine.? Only problem arises if those three CVs do something important for your use of the decoder. Otherwise it won¡¯t be a problem.

Keeping up with every new Zimo release (decoder hardware and new decoder firmware releases covering every piece of hardware) is a challenge.?

?

If you want to create a new Zimo file, please do so. But do it carefully, look at the modular nature of the other Zimo files, and try very hard to make the new definition for the MX616 fit in with everything else.? I¡¯d expect its possible to do it with a small edit to an existing file to slide the MX616 alongside an existing similar device.??

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Other people¡¯s answers cover the ESU and the MRC decoder.?

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-????????? Nigel

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of callaire@...
Sent: 05 January 2019 00:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] Missing Decoder Listings

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I just Purchased two new decoders, One a Zimo MX616N and a ESU Lokpilot FX Nano 8 Pin. Neither of these will self identify under JMRI.
The Zimo will identify many different decoders but not the MX616N, If I select one that I think is closest to it and read all CV's It will read almost all, but will leave three CV's?unread.?That questions my choice of decoder. Do I need to create a new definition file?
On the Lokpilot I see the F1 Light Flash, when it is being read,?but then I get a no locomotive present. Reading the documentation just confuses me more.
Can anyone give me some insight?how to programing these decoders.

I am using JMRI Test ver 15-1

Also I have a MRC 1833 Sound Decoder that I was trying to create a Decoder definition file. I am?using JEdit. I used a MRC 1927 File to begin with as it had most of the cv's that I needed. It will let me make changes to the file but will not let me save it.

Locked Re: Missing Decoder Listings

 

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 01:39 AM, callaire@... wrote:
Also I have a MRC 1833 Sound Decoder that I was trying to create a Decoder definition file. I am?using JEdit. I used a MRC 1927 File to begin with as it had most of the cv's that I needed. It will let me make changes to the file but will not let me save it.
Not sure to understand exactly what you have done. You should: make a copy of the MRC 1827 xml file in a directory outside the JMRI directory, rename the file name using 1833 instead of 1827, then edit and make your changes. Then in JMRI in the 'Debug' menu, choose 'Import Decoder File' and follow instructions; then again from the 'Debug' menu choose 'Recreate Decoder Index' (this may be redundant with the previous but just to be sure).
This will copy your file in your JMRI personal directory and is will stay there even if you install new versions of JMRI.
When you have finished, it would be good to send us your file so that we can add it to JMRI for good. Also I'll be interested to get a copy of the documentation (scanned) as it is not available on MRC site for this decoder. Thus, if you cannot create the decoder, I could do it for you.

PS: I guess that you restarted from MRC 1827 (not 1927 that do not seem to exist).
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Alain LM
Locked Re: SoundPro Map Engine Start - And UK Sounds

 

GWR steam is my thing. This is what I figured, shame, but it's not easy to make nice sound packs??
Locked Re: cmri turnout

 

after getting all electrical connections completely solid ...(had some temporary connections that weren't consistent) ... all i/o boards work now !?

Even though the occupancy detectors show up correctly on the panel and the output board operates the sm2's and the physical turnouts , the initialization message still shows a CT # of 16? ((1) output board at address 0, (1) input board at address 1, & (1) input board at address 2 ).... will this " incorrect" configuration affect programming such as automation , etc? ?

I configured the node with different combinations of card types (with i/o boards installed & uninstalled) .. shouldn't JMRI identify the card-type CT variable the same as CMRI??? it seems like it's an issue with the configuration calculations since the i/o boards weren't even plugged in ...

I tried the first 14 combinations that goes thru all choices of 3 i/o cards .. & compared to Table 12-3 of the CMRI user's manual Version 3.1b ...see below ..

Card Set? ? CT()? ? ?My Init Message CT #
oxxx? ? ? ? ? ? 2? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?10 2
ixxx? ? ? ? ? ? ?1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?1
ooxx? ? ? ? ? ?10? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A
oixx? ? ? ? ? ? ?6? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?6
ioxx? ? ? ? ? ? ?9? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?9
iixx? ? ? ? ? ? ? 5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?5
ooox? ? ? ? ? ?42? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?2A
ooix? ? ? ? ? ? 26? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?1A
oiox? ? ? ? ? ? 38? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 26
oiix? ? ? ? ? ? ?22? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 16
ioox? ? ? ? ? ? 41? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 29
ioix? ? ? ? ? ? ?25? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?19
iiox? ? ? ? ? ? ?37? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 25
iiix? ? ? ? ? ? ? 21? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 15
Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

Peter Ross
 

Thanks Bob
First of all apologies for not clipping the old message parts but hopefully they help to inform new readers, unlike Dave Heap's comment, which leaves it unclear as to what his "very good explanation" applies to.
Bob, you need to read the preambles. The button labels then make sense based on what the Help says.
If nothing else, preambles along these lines would clear up the confusion between the first and second row of identical buttons.
I understand the loyalty of others who have figured this out. I have not raised the matter lightly but new users encounter these buttons quite early on while already on a steep learning curve, so anything to make understanding easier has got to be good.
Regards
Peter
Locked Re: Roster Images Upside Down

 

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Our "real (wo)man's cameras" are Olympus OM-D E-M1. Other cameras we have owned are Pentax, Panasonic and Canon. All have display auto-rotate enabled and all store EXIF Orientation information, as do all photos friends with DSLRs have shared with us over the years.

All these images, plus all images taken by iPhones and iPads have displayed perfectly in almost every Mac imaging app we have used with them, including Adobe Photoshop. The only exception was a Microsoft product (Entourage or Outlook) we no longer use. It didn't correctly render images taken with the camera rotated, either our own images or ones sent to us.

We need to stop blaming cameras/iPhones etc. and look into how to code JMRI so it makes use of the worldwide EXIF Orientation tag standard.

I have raised an issue:



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Dave in Australia


On 5 Jan 2019, at 3:04 PM, Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:

Fooled around with my FUJI FINEPIX S700. It does not auto-rotate. ?4 pics rotate thru 360 degree. Import images are as photographed. Drag&drop into ?
Roster media, images were as photographed.

Nikon D5000 with image auto rotate. 0/360 is correct. 45 and 180 are corrected in camera. the 90 image is upside down. ?Import into Win10 Photo Viewer three ?are correct, one is inverted. ?Drag&Drop to Roster media the are as photographed, one image ok all other on side or upside down.

Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

 

A very good explanation. Add the term "Tab" as in the index tab you attach to a sheet of paper to make finding it easier.

All this terminology we are using actually comes from the stationery analogy.
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Dave in Australia

On 5 Jan 2019, at 9:34 AM, SwissChris <chris@...> wrote:

I had to think about it for a few seconds when i came across the terminology in JMRI. Then realised. Think of each decoder as a booklet or loose leaf folder of instructions. These are grouped into sheets in this folder. Each sheet of instructions (or CV's) can be read or written separately, as well as a whole folder. Simples
Locked Re: Missing Decoder Listings

 

Support for the The ESU LokPilot Fx Nano is in JMRI V4.15.1 (and probably quite a bit earlier). It's under LokPilot Standard V1.0.

The LokPilot Fx series are function-only decoders and don't have a motor to pulse on to provide communication back to the programmer.

I don't have an Fx Nano but I connected my Fx V4.0 to my ESU tester (which connects a motor and all function outputs to the 8 pin socket) and JMRI was able to identify it fine.

If you restart JMRI, open the Help->System Console menu item and press New Loco-Read Type from Decoder, what appears in the system console (use Copy to Clipboard and post it for us)? It will tell us whether it was a failure to respond or a failure to identify (in which case the log has valuable identification information I need to know).
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Dave in Australia

On 5 Jan 2019, at 11:39 AM, "callaire@..." <callaire@...> wrote:

I just Purchased two new decoders, One a Zimo MX616N and a ESU Lokpilot FX Nano 8 Pin. Neither of these will self identify under JMRI.
Locked Re: Trouble with JMRI to JMRI client/server

 

Yes, that's a good setup.
I don't think you'll overload anything (other than the track bus), but If you want to distribute the load more, you could have a locobuffer-usb on each RaspberryPi, and take a bit more off of the central machine.
--SteveT
Locked Missing Decoder Listings

 

I just Purchased two new decoders, One a Zimo MX616N and a ESU Lokpilot FX Nano 8 Pin. Neither of these will self identify under JMRI.
The Zimo will identify many different decoders but not the MX616N, If I select one that I think is closest to it and read all CV's It will read almost all, but will leave three CV's?unread.?That questions my choice of decoder. Do I need to create a new definition file?
On the Lokpilot I see the F1 Light Flash, when it is being read,?but then I get a no locomotive present. Reading the documentation just confuses me more.
Can anyone give me some insight?how to programing these decoders.

I am using JMRI Test ver 15-1

Also I have a MRC 1833 Sound Decoder that I was trying to create a Decoder definition file. I am?using JEdit. I used a MRC 1927 File to begin with as it had most of the cv's that I needed. It will let me make changes to the file but will not let me save it.
Locked Re: ESU Loksound 4.0 decoder - Error 303 when 'Read All Sheets'

 

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Thanks Dave¡­I¡¯ll give that a try tomorrow and report back to the group.

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Jim
Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

 

I personally like the terminology as it is. It is clear and concise. Changing it would just complicate matters for the thousands of users who already have learned to navigate the system.?
And, imho, there are far more pressing things for the developers to spend their voluntary time on.?
Thank you to all who have put so much time and effort into this awesome product.

Tom Wilson
Colorado Springs, CO


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 3:42 PM Bob Jacobsen <rgj1927@... wrote:


> On Jan 4, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Peter Ross <peterr@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Bob, that has been quite helpful. For example, based on using the Help explanations, why not put "Recover data from the decoder" instead of "Read changes on sheet¡±?

Because that¡¯s not what it does. Your phrase hasn¡¯t captured that it¡¯s only ¡°recover(ing)¡± _some_ of the data, and which data will be recovered.

> And something like, "Write only what has changed" instead of "Write changes on sheet¡±.

Because that¡¯s not what it does. It only writes what was changed _on_this_sheet_.? Changes that have been made on other sheets are not written by that button.? There is another button, which uses the word ¡°all¡± for those. You also made it longer by changing ¡°changes¡± to ¡°only what was changed¡±.? Maybe ¡°changes" is too short, so "changed values" might do, but ¡°what was changed¡± is verbose and ¡°only¡± is redundant:? _Everything_ only does what it does.

> Likewise, "Read all from the decoder" instead of "Read changes on all sheets¡±?

Because that¡¯s not what it does. It only reads what was _changed_.?

> And, "Write all to the decoder"?
> So (within the limitations of this text format), we could have (note preamble to each row of buttons):
> "For CVs on this pane only: Recover values from decoder/Write changes to decoder/Read all from decoder/Write all to decoder."
> "For the entire range of CVs: Recover values from decoder/Write changes to decoder/Read all from decoder/Write all to decoder.¡±

What¡¯s the difference between ¡°recover¡± and ¡°read¡±?? Perhaps I¡¯m not understanding some change in how the program works that you¡¯re proposing. (I¡¯m also not sure what ¡°entire range of CVs¡± means:? What range? The visible things on the page are variables, not CVs:? They may or may not correspond to a particular set of CVs that appear on other pages too)

In general, it¡¯s less confusing if a button says what it does.? Having two buttons with exactly the same language right over each other that do different things is not generally viewed as quick & easy to understand:

Necktie? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [Put On]? ? [Take Off]
All Clothes? ? ? ? ? ? ?[Put On]? ? [Take Off]

Which button do I press when I get on the bus home? (.c.f one of my favorite Farside cartoons about UI design: )

Bob

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Bob Jacobsen
rgj1927@...
Locked Re: Decoder Pro problems

 

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