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John,
When thinking about signaling, think about the characteristics that you you want. I prefer western US practices which are primarily route signaling with implied speeds. Eastern US tends to be speed signaling which sometimes implies a route. Note: I will probably get some push back on my definitions.
The prototype deals with signal masts and their aspects. Signal masts have one or more signal heads. The aspect determines the signal head appearances. A ¡°diverging¡± aspect is normally indicated by red over green or yellow appearances.
Don¡¯t worry about implementation details when working out the signal head/mast question. DCC Signal masts can be signal head based masts or even turnout based masts.
A cross-over is always at least two blocks, one for each straight route. A slip (including throat to throat) is always one block, but has two turnouts.
Keep in mind that signals protect one or more blocks to the next signal. Including the approach track segment with the turnout moves the signal away from the turnout and makes the control point much larger.
A correctly drawn layout editor track plan with a prototypical block topology using signal masts and signal mast logic results in a fully functional ABS signaling system.
Dave Sand
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On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:21 PM, John Pearson <pearsonjohn99@...> wrote:
Dave
Quick response appreciated, thank you.
a few comments / observations / Questions
1) your listed order of actions easy to follow, I'll try it out tomorrow on a simple test diag
2) Found Quaker valley ok lots of writing but they sem to be persuing my objective , Not sure at this stage what the difference between Sig Heads and SSL & Sig Masts + Signal Mast logic might be, I'll think about and reasearch. ( SSL ? please, Single Signal Lamp ?)
3) Also your warning about turnouts becoming "blocks" is significant as I was lumping them in with track segments / bigger blocks..... A crossover between two main lines would become a block in its own right? Or does it split in the centre between the two parallel tracks ?
No doubt the reason that Interlocking drawings label turnouts with an OS number and detect vehicles on the OS.. Is joining two turnouts throat to throat acceptable as one OS item ? ( Guess it becomes a double slip ).
Many thanks for your assistance
John Pearson
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:01 PM Dave Sand <ds@...> wrote:
John,
Take a look at
The signaling section is based on signal heads and SSL rather than signal masts and signal mast logic.
Listed below are the steps that I use for a new Layout Editor Panel. The steps are based on using the appropriate simulation mode for the hardware. I also use signal masts and signal mast logic for all of my designs.
? Place turnout icons on the panel and connect them with track segments.
? Create turnouts in the turnout table. Use default feedback settings.
? Assign turnouts to the turnout icons. Clicking on the turnout icons should change the turnout state and the icon.
? Turnout context menu: Edit item.
? Create occupancy sensors in the sensor table.
? Assign blocks to the turnout icons and track segments. Set the occupancy sensor for each layout block.
? Context menu: Edit item.
? Set Block
? Select Create/Edit
? Select Sensor tab and select sensor name.
? Verify that the panel is valid using the Tools >> Check items.
? Add sensor icons to the panel to simulated train movements. Verify that the correct tracks show occupied.
? Create signal masts in the signal mast table.
? Assign the signal masts to the appropriate block boundaries.
? Context menu: Set Signal Masts...
? Use the Signal Mast Logic table to generate the signal mast logic.
? Verify the SML works by setting blocks occupied and setting turnout positions.
Obviously there are a lot of details missing, but it provides a general flow.
Step 5 is very important. Since you are talking about interlocking plants, the block topology must be correct. The basic rule is that each turnout or turnout group must be its own block. This provides the necessary block boundaries for placing signal masts which protect the interlocking.
Dave Sand
On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:29 AM, John Pearson <pearsonjohn99@...> wrote:
Hello JMRI group, I¡¯m new to the group and looking for Help.
Intro I¡¯ve dabbled with Panel Pro over the last 2 years to the extent of creating a plausible US&S CTC panel with layout model board across the top. The board has NO working logic.
Now at the stage of needing to design the signaling system to work I¡¯ve started LAYOUT EDITOR, but having great difficulty getting in..... The only tutorial I can find is by Dave Duchamp¡¯s NMRA presentation dated 2008 does not cover the current version of Panel Pro, 4.12
Any guidance appreciated, starting from scratch.
MY INITIAL OBJECTIVE IS A WORKING LOGIC INTERLOCKING PLANT USING LAYOUT EDITOR
Eventual ambition Merging LAYOUT EDITOR drawing with WORKING CTC PANEL AND LAYOUT SIGNALS controlled by MRCS /CMRI logic
At the moment I cannot get past drawing a turnout, track segment and Tools-Tables-Turnouts, without them fighting each other !!!!!
My current set up
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro 4.12+Rb6a9bb1
c) Java 1.8.0_191
Previous set up - CTC panel
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro 4.10
c) Java 1.6
Guidance appreciated
John pearson
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JMRI version: 4.13.4 Java version:?1.8.0_171 MacOS: Version 10.13 I've been working on a layout that includes 6 crossovers, 3 left hand and 3 right hand.? I've uploaded my layout to? Full Yard.? When I open this panel, I can no longer right click on the 4 upper crossovers to edit them.? The lower two crossovers still work.? Also, why are my track lines not showing the main line width on these crossovers.? Is there anything I can do to make the layout look more consistent.? It seems that there is a problem when you have one crossover connected directly to another. Thanks for all your help. Jack Basiago
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Dave? Quick response appreciated, thank you. a few comments / observations / Questions? 1) your listed order of actions easy to follow, I'll try it out tomorrow on a simple test diag? 2) Found Quaker valley ok lots of writing but they sem to be persuing my objective ,? Not sure at this stage what the difference between Sig Heads and SSL &? Sig Masts + Signal Mast logic? might be, I'll think about and reasearch.? ? ?( SSL ? please,? ?Single Signal Lamp ?)? 3) Also your warning about turnouts becoming "blocks" is significant as I was lumping them in with track segments / bigger blocks..... A crossover between two main lines would become a block in its own right? Or does it split in the centre between the two parallel tracks ? No doubt the reason that Interlocking drawings label turnouts with an OS number and detect vehicles on the OS..? ? Is joining two turnouts throat to throat acceptable as one OS item ? ( Guess it becomes a double slip ).
Many?thanks for your assistance??
John Pearson ?
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:01 PM Dave Sand < ds@...> wrote: John,
Take a look at?
The signaling section is based on signal heads and SSL rather than signal masts and signal mast logic.
Listed below are the steps that I use for a new Layout Editor Panel.? The steps are based on using the appropriate simulation mode for the hardware.? I also use signal masts and signal mast logic for all of my designs. ? - Place turnout icons on the panel and connect them with track segments.
- Create turnouts in the turnout table.? Use default feedback settings. ?
- Assign turnouts to the turnout icons.? Clicking on the turnout icons should change the turnout state and the icon.
- Turnout context menu: ?Edit item.
- Create occupancy sensors in the sensor table.
- Assign blocks to the turnout icons and track segments.? Set the occupancy sensor for each layout block.
- Context menu: ?Edit item.
- Set Block
- Select Create/Edit
- Select Sensor tab and select sensor name.
- Verify that the panel is valid using the Tools >> Check items.
- Add sensor icons to the panel to simulated train movements.? Verify that the correct tracks show occupied.
- Create signal masts in the signal mast table.
- Assign the signal masts to the appropriate block boundaries.
- Context menu: ?Set Signal Masts...
- Use the Signal Mast Logic table to generate the signal mast logic.
- Verify the SML works by setting blocks occupied and setting turnout positions.
Obviously there are a lot of details missing, but it provides a general flow.
Step 5 is very important.? Since you are talking about interlocking plants, the block topology must be correct.? The basic rule is that each turnout or turnout group must be its own block.? This provides the necessary block boundaries for placing signal masts which protect the interlocking.
Dave Sand
On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:29 AM, John Pearson <pearsonjohn99@...> wrote:
Hello JMRI group, I¡¯m new to the group and looking for Help.
Intro ?I¡¯ve dabbled with Panel Pro over the last 2 years to the extent of creating a plausible US&S CTC panel with layout model board across the top.??The board has NO working logic.
Now?at the stage of needing to design the signaling system to work I¡¯ve started LAYOUT EDITOR, ?but having great difficulty getting in.....? The only?tutorial I can find is by Dave Duchamp¡¯s NMRA presentation dated 2008 does not cover the current version of Panel Pro, 4.12?
Any guidance appreciated, starting from scratch. ?
MY INITIAL OBJECTIVE IS A WORKING LOGIC INTERLOCKING PLANT USING LAYOUT EDITOR?
Eventual ambition Merging LAYOUT EDITOR drawing with WORKING CTC PANEL AND LAYOUT SIGNALS controlled by MRCS /CMRI logic
At the moment I cannot get past drawing a turnout, track segment and Tools-Tables-Turnouts, without them fighting each other !!!!!
My current set up?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.12+Rb6a9bb1
c) Java 1.8.0_191
Previous set up - CTC panel?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.10
c) Java 1.6?
Guidance appreciated?
John pearson?
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Stephen,
I did not ask the question and I am not ready to tackle signals yet but I think your video will be a big help for me when I get to the signal part of my layout..
Paul D
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Steven Thank you for the prompt reply? I had a look at Part 1, it is well presented but unfortunately you diverge from my path very early by your choice of DCC control and Digitrax. My path is to avoid DCC signal control ( with the exception of loco cuurent draw )? and seperate signalling forom traction a per CMRI or its derivation MRCS where input / outputs are to and from panel switches or track sensors etc.
I appreciate and thank you for your response and wish you every success and fun in the model RR hobby Thank you? John?
I made a 3-part video series on the basics of how i did signals for a diorama. Here is a link to part one.
If you have any questions on the videos, id be glad to help.
Steven
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From: John Pearson < pearsonjohn99@...>
Date:12/02/2018 9:57 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Subject: [jmriusers] Panel Pro - Layout Editor - looking for up to date Tutorial
Hello JMRI group, I¡¯m new to the group and looking for Help.
Intro ?I¡¯ve dabbled with Panel Pro over the last 2 years to the extent of creating a plausible US&S CTC panel with layout model board across the top.? The board has NO working logic.
Now at the stage of needing to design the signaling system to work I¡¯ve started LAYOUT EDITOR, ?but having great difficulty getting in..... ?The only tutorial I can find is by Dave Duchamp¡¯s NMRA presentation dated 2008 does not cover
the current version of Panel Pro, 4.12?
Any guidance appreciated, starting from scratch. ?
MY INITIAL OBJECTIVE IS A WORKING LOGIC INTERLOCKING PLANT USING LAYOUT EDITOR
Eventual ambition Merging LAYOUT EDITOR drawing with WORKING CTC PANEL AND LAYOUT SIGNALS controlled by MRCS /CMRI logic
At the moment I cannot get past drawing a turnout, track segment and Tools-Tables-Turnouts, without them fighting each other !!!!!
My current set up?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.12+Rb6a9bb1
c) Java 1.8.0_191
Previous set up - CTC panel?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.10
c) Java 1.6?
Guidance appreciated?
John pearson?
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Re: Panel Pro - Layout Editor - looking for up to date Tutorial
John,
Take a look at?
The signaling section is based on signal heads and SSL rather than signal masts and signal mast logic.
Listed below are the steps that I use for a new Layout Editor Panel. ?The steps are based on using the appropriate simulation mode for the hardware. ?I also use signal masts and signal mast logic for all of my designs. ? - Place turnout icons on the panel and connect them with track segments.
- Create turnouts in the turnout table. ?Use default feedback settings. ?
- Assign turnouts to the turnout icons. ?Clicking on the turnout icons should change the turnout state and the icon.
- Turnout context menu: ?Edit item.
- Create occupancy sensors in the sensor table.
- Assign blocks to the turnout icons and track segments. ?Set the occupancy sensor for each layout block.
- Context menu: ?Edit item.
- Set Block
- Select Create/Edit
- Select Sensor tab and select sensor name.
- Verify that the panel is valid using the Tools >> Check items.
- Add sensor icons to the panel to simulated train movements. ?Verify that the correct tracks show occupied.
- Create signal masts in the signal mast table.
- Assign the signal masts to the appropriate block boundaries.
- Context menu: ?Set Signal Masts...
- Use the Signal Mast Logic table to generate the signal mast logic.
- Verify the SML works by setting blocks occupied and setting turnout positions.
Obviously there are a lot of details missing, but it provides a general flow.
Step 5 is very important. ?Since you are talking about interlocking plants, the block topology must be correct. ?The basic rule is that each turnout or turnout group must be its own block. ?This provides the necessary block boundaries for placing signal masts which protect the interlocking.
Dave Sand
On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:29 AM, John Pearson <pearsonjohn99@...> wrote:
Hello JMRI group, I¡¯m new to the group and looking for Help.
Intro ?I¡¯ve dabbled with Panel Pro over the last 2 years to the extent of creating a plausible US&S CTC panel with layout model board across the top.??The board has NO working logic.
Now?at the stage of needing to design the signaling system to work I¡¯ve started LAYOUT EDITOR, ?but having great difficulty getting in..... ?The only?tutorial I can find is by Dave Duchamp¡¯s NMRA presentation dated 2008 does not cover the current version of Panel Pro, 4.12?
Any guidance appreciated, starting from scratch. ?
MY INITIAL OBJECTIVE IS A WORKING LOGIC INTERLOCKING PLANT USING LAYOUT EDITOR?
Eventual ambition Merging LAYOUT EDITOR drawing with WORKING CTC PANEL AND LAYOUT SIGNALS controlled by MRCS /CMRI logic
At the moment I cannot get past drawing a turnout, track segment and Tools-Tables-Turnouts, without them fighting each other !!!!!
My current set up?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.12+Rb6a9bb1
c) Java 1.8.0_191
Previous set up - CTC panel?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.10
c) Java 1.6?
Guidance appreciated?
John pearson?
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Re: Using Roster Groups and the Import functions
See below: On 3 Dec 2018, at 3:22 AM, R Morningstar <bobmorning@...> wrote:
1) The file created after an export appears not to be an xml file and is not the same type of file as roster.xml, correct? The "roster.xml" file is not your roster. It's simply an index of some of the key parts of your roster, which is the individual ".xml" files in the "roster" folder, one for each loco. It can be recreated/updated at any time by using the Actions->Rebuild Roster Index menu item. <> The roster export file is actually a ZIP file of the individual ".xml" files in the "roster" folder. Give it a ".zip" extension to it and you can examine/extract the files from it.
2) I have an export file from my friends layout, I want to import it into the roster group designated for his layout. When I attempt to "Import Roster", it wipes out my entire existing roster. I made a copy of my roster.xml before I started mucking with this issue; so no harm-no foul.
Making a copy of "roster.xml" is a waste of time and doesn't save anything useful. The way to save your roster is make a copy of the "roster" folder. Hopefully that hasn't been lost. Do an Actions->Rebuild Roster Index command and if will create an updated index of all the files currently in your "roster" folder. How do I import his locos into my JMRI roster without wiping out my existing roster, Extract all the files from his roster export file, manually add them to your "roster" folder and do an Actions->Rebuild Roster Index. preferably into the roster group set up for his locos? Not quite so easy. Roster group membership is stored in the individual ".xml" files, so any roster groups he already had will appear in your list of groups after you have done an Actions->Rebuild Roster Index. If you right-click on the headings row of your roster list in the main roster window, there are various columns you can show/hide and then sort by, including last modified date. That may or may not be helpful. The easy way would have been for him to add all his locos to a group before exporting them... Dave in Australia
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I made a 3-part video series on the basics of how i did signals for a diorama. Here is a link to part one.
https://youtu.be/5SQqz6pikV4
If you have any questions on the videos, id be glad to help.
Steven
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From: John Pearson <pearsonjohn99@...>
Date:12/02/2018 9:57 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Subject: [jmriusers] Panel Pro - Layout Editor - looking for up to date Tutorial
Hello JMRI group, I¡¯m new to the group and looking for Help.
Intro ?I¡¯ve dabbled with Panel Pro over the last 2 years to the extent of creating a plausible US&S CTC panel with layout model board across the top. ?The board has NO working logic.
Now at the stage of needing to design the signaling system to work I¡¯ve started LAYOUT EDITOR, ?but having great difficulty getting in..... ?The only tutorial I can find is by Dave Duchamp¡¯s NMRA presentation dated 2008 does not cover
the current version of Panel Pro, 4.12?
Any guidance appreciated, starting from scratch. ?
MY INITIAL OBJECTIVE IS A WORKING LOGIC INTERLOCKING PLANT USING LAYOUT EDITOR
Eventual ambition Merging LAYOUT EDITOR drawing with WORKING CTC PANEL AND LAYOUT SIGNALS controlled by MRCS /CMRI logic
At the moment I cannot get past drawing a turnout, track segment and Tools-Tables-Turnouts, without them fighting each other !!!!!
My current set up?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.12+Rb6a9bb1
c) Java 1.8.0_191
Previous set up - CTC panel?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.10
c) Java 1.6?
Guidance appreciated?
John pearson?
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Using Roster Groups and the Import functions
Hello everyone,? I am using JMRI 4.12 and I'm a bit befuddled by the import function.??? I have 3 roster groups, one for my layout, one for my friends layout, and one for DCC installation clients.
BTW,? I have read the JMRI Roster docs at? ? before I posted.
Two questions:
1)? The file created after an export appears not to be an xml file and is not the same type of file as roster.xml, correct?
2)?? I have an export file from my friends layout, I want to import it into the roster group designated for his layout.? When I attempt to "Import Roster", it wipes out my entire existing roster.?? I made a copy of my roster.xml before I started mucking with this issue; so no harm-no foul.?? How do I import his locos into my JMRI roster without wiping out my existing roster, preferably into the roster group set up for his locos?
Thanks to the community for any assistance you can provide.
Bob
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Hello JMRI group, I¡¯m new to the group and looking for Help.
Intro ?I¡¯ve dabbled with Panel Pro over the last 2 years to the extent of creating a plausible US&S CTC panel with layout model board across the top. ?The board has NO working logic.
Now at the stage of needing to design the signaling system to work I¡¯ve started LAYOUT EDITOR, ?but having great difficulty getting in..... ?The only tutorial I can find is by Dave Duchamp¡¯s NMRA presentation dated 2008 does not cover the current version of Panel Pro, 4.12?
Any guidance appreciated, starting from scratch. ?
MY INITIAL OBJECTIVE IS A WORKING LOGIC INTERLOCKING PLANT USING LAYOUT EDITOR
Eventual ambition Merging LAYOUT EDITOR drawing with WORKING CTC PANEL AND LAYOUT SIGNALS controlled by MRCS /CMRI logic
At the moment I cannot get past drawing a turnout, track segment and Tools-Tables-Turnouts, without them fighting each other !!!!!
My current set up?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.12+Rb6a9bb1
c) Java 1.8.0_191
Previous set up - CTC panel?
a) lap top Samsung - Windows 7
b) Panel Pro ?4.10
c) Java 1.6?
Guidance appreciated?
John pearson?
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Re: Turnout not operating in simple system
Problem Solved!
This may help someone using DCC++ in the future.
To make things work successfully, it is necessary to go to the?Configure Base Station option on the DCC++ menu tab. From here, ensure you have added all the required turnouts and sensors to the system. (I had added sensors, but only one turnout. Hence the problems.)
Hopefully I can now move on.
Martin
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Paul,
There isn't a right or wrong way to use OpsPro, and what you've proposed should work just fine.? Have fun, and you can always create backups so you can experiment with the program.
Have fun!
Dan
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I have been through all this too.? I don't find that the automation in JMRI meets what I require so I have written Logix to check routes clear, switch points (turnouts) and then signals (BR2003) in a timed sequence.? The automated stuff a) works too fast, b) my electronics overruns itself and sometimes loses commands, c) odd things happen with (e.g.) signalling within a station area.
I have built a One Button Route Setting panel with Tokenless Block built in between my station and my fiddle yard.
Happy to share details if you wish?
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Re: Turnout not operating in simple system
Morning everyone.
Thanks for the replies. John, Turnout animation is enabled. Dave, I do have a turnout name assigned to the icon.
I have just built a couple more layouts based on the 2011 UK clinic. Obviously, the program has moved on since then.
With my latest build, the single LH turnout is fine. It changes when I click on it, so that is good.
The LH changeover is not working. I have created two turnouts to make up the crossover, and they are both assigned to the icon. The top left connection of the icon is blue, and I'm guessing this is the issue. I'll haver a look through the site, but is there something I am messing up here?
Regards,
Martin
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For USB you just need to connect to the DR5000 direct. Three com ports are then made, one for the DR5000, plus Loconet and Xpressnet ones, JMRI can then connect via either or both. The DR5000 software can also run at the same time. An LiUSB can be used if further from the DR5000 than a USB lead reaches.
Mike Ruby
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Digitrax - Loconet LocoBuffer-USB - USB (COMn, ttyACMn, ...) - DCS100 (Chief)
is a very reliable combination.
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Petr ?¨ªdlo
Czech Republic
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Hi Mario, The INFO message indicates that your OpenAL installation is working correctly. I do not have the skill to analyze the ERROR message. VSD may not work with a NCE PowerCab system (see /g/jmriusers/message/153480). You might try a JMRI throttle instead of a physical throttle. VSD SHOULD work in JMRI Simulator mode (NCE Simulator or Digitrax LocoNet Simulator) together with a JMRI throttle. Klaus Am 02.12.2018 um 02:19 schrieb mario.ariasy via Groups.Io:
Klaus.?There seems to be something here.
INFO? - Initialised JOAL using OpenAL: vendor - OpenAL Community version - 1.1 ALSOFT 1.15.1 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-12-01 22:12:32,277 ptionhandler.UncaughtExceptionHandler
ERROR - Uncaught Exception caught by jmri.util.exceptionhandler.UncaughtExceptionHandler [AWT-EventQueue-0]
java.lang.NullPointerException: Required nonnull default for jmri.ThrottleManager does not exist.
Mario
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Ron,
You are somewhat correct. I do not want to have each session to be a repeat of the previous session and I do not want a paperwork intensive effort on my part to build all the car movements using waycards or switch lists that I create myself. I want OpsPro to generate car movement such that each session has a different mix of car movements. I believe I can do that but making adjustments to the frequency options in OpsPro so that the manifest created by OpsPro will vary from session to session.?
Paul D
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Klaus.?There seems to be something here.
INFO? - Initialised JOAL using OpenAL: vendor - OpenAL Community version - 1.1 ALSOFT 1.15.1 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-12-01 22:12:32,277 ptionhandler.UncaughtExceptionHandler
ERROR - Uncaught Exception caught by jmri.util.exceptionhandler.UncaughtExceptionHandler [AWT-EventQueue-0]
java.lang.NullPointerException: Required nonnull default for jmri.ThrottleManager does not exist.
Mario
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Robert,
If you want this to work properly, you need to:
1) Make sure you are using the same Connection Prefix on both machines. Since Win7 machine is working with your panel, change the?Connection Prefix on the WinXP machine to match the working one.
2) Do the following on your Win7 machine. - Create a folder called "JMRI for USB" on your Win7 machine outside any existing JMRI folder (probably in your home directory). - Follow the Step 1 instructions at <> to set up the Win7 machine, substituting "JMRI for USB" wherever you see "JMRI folder in Dropbox). - Make sure you move your panel files, "roster" folder, roster.xml, the "resources" folder and any other files you have created from "User Files Location" to?"JMRI for USB". See <>.
3) Use a USB stick and SneakerNet to copy?"JMRI for USB"?onto your WinXP machine?outside any existing JMRI folder?(probably in your home directory).
4)?Follow the Step 2 instructions at <> to set up the WinXP machine, substituting?"JMRI for USB" wherever you see "JMRI folder in Dropbox).
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Jack Basiago
Paul Davidson
Bob Morningstar
Petr ?¨ªdlo