Dave
I hope I did the zip right. Put it on the Resources/Icon File then unzip. Hope it works.
PJ
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I also use Notepad++ (on Windows). On Linux, I think I used Nano but I tried to avoid any editing while using my Linux box.
Phil in gorgeous Young Harris, Georgia, USA
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I hope this worked I uploaded my Icons in a zip file. You should Unzip it in Resources/Icons
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Hi,
It seems that when I get everything going good, something always come and bites me in the foot. OOOOOOch. I lost my Car Roster. I have looked in just about every layout and Roster .xml file that I have. It is about 60 or 70 cars too. They have to be in there somewhere. Can anyone give me some magic?
How do I restore an xml backup file? I haven't looked in those yet and those are the only places that I haven't looked.?
I hope someone can help.
Thanks
George
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Benny,
Some interesting challenges with this layout.
I was able to re-create the station scenario running from C to 1b. According to the route table, running through track 10 is the best route since the straight route has an additional hop and therefore a higher metric. By setting S35th to 500, it uses the straight route. If a block is occupied on the straight route it goes through track 10. Note: When an alternate route is used, each segment has to be cleared individually.
By making 40 -> U2 into 2 NX segments and deleting the one segment 40 -> U2 route, you no longer need to use metic values since there is only one route.
If you use tvsHs40 and tvsX21aa directly with an occupied block, a Stack dialog request is displayed. If you use tvvHs40 and tvvHsU2 somehow the occupied block problem is ignored or bypassed. If you use the green buttons, the NX process waits on the dialog response which never comes since the process was initiated by Logix.
Dave Sand
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On Sep 2, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Benny Tj?der <etxbct@...> wrote:
Hi,
I have changed the layout close to 38-U2, 40-U2 and named it Bilbox.xml in the zip file.
In that file I have added a sensor for the hidden signal X21aa and added EntryExit 38-X21aa, 40-X21aa and X21aa-U2. I also removed the existing 38-U2 and 40-U2 EntryExit routes.
Now it looks it's working from 40 out on U2 or 38 out on U2. 40 out on U2 uses turnout Vx25. If I put turnout Vx25 occupied and select 40-U2 EntryExit everything freezes. I need to kill it from task manager.
I added a picture JMRI-nx4.PNG which shows the area where Vx25 (Vx25a side) is occupied.
/Benny
Den s?n 2 sep. 2018 kl 12:05 skrev Benny Tj?der <etxbct@...>:
The station case is set if you make the invisible green button close to C visible. Than push C and next push the green button by the station on track 10. Or select a route on track 2 over turnout V29 and then select a route from A to Track 1 by using the green buttons.
The hidden signals was put there to allow the closest signals to show correct aspect (sh3) during local movments on the station when the turnouts can be local operated (not from the panel). Before adding the hidden signals the visible ones showed stop (sh0) if the turnout was in wrong direction. By adding hidden signals fixed the problem.
In the case 40-U2 I have put a higher metric on turnout Vx21 block S21ab located between 21a and 21b. Could that cause NX and SML to choose different route?
The higher metric is to use Vx25 more than Vx21.
If I set it back to default (200) and put higher value (2000) on block S25ab it looks better. SML and NX select same route.
But if block S21b is occupied I get same problem but SML do not set signal 40 to green since the block is occupied. Should it not select Vx25 in this case?
/Benny
Den 2 sep 2018 07:28 skrev "Dave Sand" <ds@...>:
Benny,
As I mentioned before, I am not able to re-create the ¡°station¡± scenario, but I do know what is happening with the other 2 scenarios.
As a general rule, Signal Mast Logic (SML) and Entry/Exit (NX) both make extensive use of layout block routing which is part of Layout Editor. This applies to SML when the ¡°User Layout Editor Paths¡± option is selected (also the default). NX always uses this mode.
Another general rule is that SML signal mast pairs match NX sensor pairs. They share the same anchor points, turnout connections, etc. This way the path from A to B includes the same turnouts and blocks for both SML and NX. This is important because NX uses the turnout list from SML.
Both 40 -> U2 and 31 -> 33 have a hidden signal mast. In both case, the NX route goes through the hidden mast to the destination sensor. SML created an alternate route that skips the hidden mast. Since the turnouts are based on the SML alternate route, the turnouts on the NX route are not set correctly.
The easy fix is to delete the alternate SML route which forces SML to follow the same path as NX.
Another solution is to add NX sensors to the block boundary that holds the hidden mast and create two NX pairs. Since the current setup is Logix driven, the Logix could be changed to combine two NX routes to make it look like one route. I have not tested this theory.
Dave Sand
On Sep 1, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Benny Tj?der <etxbct@...> wrote:
There is a memory field in the lower left wher you type BCT in the memory field below and push the sensor button above the memory field.
That makes the panel to be in local mode and the panel sensors can be operated.
/Benny
Den l?r 1 sep 2018 23:31Dave Sand <ds@...> skrev:
Benny,
Thanks for the added files. The panel xml file now loads without any errors.
? The 40 to U2 appears to be a NX problem.
? The 31 to 33 turnout issue applies to both NX and signal mast logic. This implies an issue with block routing.
? I am not able to re-create the ¡°station¡± problem because I cannot find a sensor pair that goes straight through with no intermediate sensors.
What is the trick for getting the sensor icons to work in local mode? I am currently manually removing the Disable from the icon.
The NX implementation is quite unique. Now that I can set and clear routes, I hope to identify the issues.
Dave Sand
On Sep 1, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Benny Tj?der <etxbct@...> wrote:
I have ziped it now.
/Benny
Den l?r 1 sep. 2018 kl 18:57 skrev Dave Sand <ds@...>:
Benny,
I am also going to need the custom components located in the resources folder, and maybe the jython folder. These are located in the same directory as the panel xml file. It works best if you zip the folders and their contents and upload the zip file.
Dave Sand
On Sep 1, 2018, at 11:41 AM, Benny Tj?der <etxbct@...> wrote:
The xml file and the picture are uploaded now.
/Benny
Den l?r 1 sep. 2018 kl 18:13 skrev Dave Sand <ds@...>:
Benny,
Attachments are removed from postings. You will need to upload your picture to the photos section. It would also be helpful if you could upload the panel xml file to the ProblemsBeingWorkedOn folder.
Dave Sand
On Sep 1, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Benny Tj?der <etxbct@...> wrote:
Hi,
I have downloaded the RPi-JMRI image and installed on a new SD card.
No problem to get it working. Downloaded my layout made in 4.12.
It started up and have connection to my railroad.
Raspberry Pi is running JMRI 4.13.2
The problem is if I select a route over two turnouts the turnouts are both thrown but the route shows thru both turnout in closed position, which should be the best route.
The route table shows thrown path as active, but closed path as reserved.
I attached a picture showing the route table and the layout with the route reserved.
Turnout 27 is two right handed turnouts (27a and 27b) faced each other.
Turnout 26 is similar as 27 but two left handed turnouts.
The route table is from turnout 27a (block 27a).
Block 27as is between signal 31 and turnout 27.
Block 27acd is the block after a closed turnout (towards turnout 26 in closed position).
Block 27ab is the block in between 27a and 27b turnout.
In turnout table both 27a, 27b, 26a and 26b are thrown.
The main path thru all these turnouts are set to closed (default).
I have seen other strange behavior in EntryExit routing. Sometime it selects a route from one track down and then one track up instead of going the shortest way on same track.
/BR
Benny
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Re: Sequential Train Build
Hi Phil,
Please provide us with the build report for the train that only picks up 1 or 2 cars. The report should tell us why additional cars aren't being pulled.? Use the text editor feature for the build report, that will allow you to copy and paste the build report into your next reply.
Dan
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I am having trouble getting sequential trains to build properly. I have a layout that operates with all freights being turns. Departure times from the yard are 1900, 1935, and 2035 with each freight requiring approximately 1.5 hours to complete it¡¯s switching and return to the yard. Each spur to be switched has a schedule with Monday Pickup and a wait count of 1. Train Build is set to normal. Trains lengths are limited to 6 cars plus caboose and locomotive.
The 1900 train builds satisfactorily with between 4 and 6 cars and performs it¡¯s work at the appropriate spurs out and back. The 1935 train builds but is normally only 2 to 3 cars in length. the 2035 train also builds but with between 0 and 2 cars. Both the 1935 and 2035 trains show no work for 1 or 2 of the towns on the route. The No Work scheduled shows up for both the outbound trip and the return trip through a town.
I have tried building each train and terminating it prior to building the next train in the schedule but that results in cars being assigned to a train immediately after arriving in the yard in the preceding train.
During the various attempts which included no schedules for spurs, no move counts, and terminating and not terminating before building the follow-on train, there have been up to nine cars available in the yard and the program only selects 1 or 2 of the cars.
Thanks in advance for any guidance or help.
Phil
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Morgan,
? ? I use Notepad++ for editing the panel file.? It's free.
Roger
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Re: Panel no longer loads into 4.12
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On Sep 2, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Alec Hudson <alechudson60@...> wrote:
Hi
Please I would be very grateful if someone could look at my panel Alec OO shed 7 just uploaded into things being worked on.
It no longer loads into 4.12. There is an error with the signals. I no longer use the signals and have deleted most of the parts but some would not delete. I would be greatful if this could be sorted. I tried reloading 4.11 and 4.10 to sort the problem but the panel would not load into any of them.
Thanks very much
Alec in the UK
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An XML file is plain text, so a plain text editor (i.e. Wordpad on Windows) can do it. For pointers to editors that are more helpful: Bob On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:09 AM, PennsyNut <pennsynut@...> wrote:
Help! XML loads only Internet Explorer and is garbledeegoop. Unreadable.
Is there some other way to open a XML? Apparently a browser is not, and I tried LibreOffice, thinking it might be a spreadsheet. That don't work.
Morgan Bilbo, PRR fan -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Morgan, I dont know the answer to your question. But I do know you need to post your question under a better header tag. Start a new topic - something like 'how to edit xml'.? You will get a quicker response to your question. The thread you added onto is kind of a generic notification and wont get much attention.
Help! XML loads only Internet Explorer and is garbledeegoop. Unreadable.
Is there some other way to open a XML? Apparently a browser is not, and I tried LibreOffice, thinking it might be a spreadsheet. That don't work.
Morgan Bilbo, PRR fan
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It¡¯s OK to ask questions. A question is often easier & quicker to reply to a question than it is to read somebody's long narrative and try to guess what¡¯s confusing. In the case of the ReporterFormatter.py sample script, I suggest you just read it as if it¡¯s an example: The first thing it does is call start(), so look at that to see how to register a listener. Figure out as much as you can, perhaps including experimenting with adding some print statements. Then, if you have a question, just ask it: ¡°How does the listener get called?¡± or ¡°What¡¯s the format of the listener¡¯s event?¡± or whatever. Bob On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:19 AM, halasz <halasz.gabor@...> wrote:
I did not formulate my request about it as a question just because I cannot expect anyone to explain what is inside. -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Re: Panel no longer loads into 4.12
Phillip,
Have you checked your preferences to make sure none of the items are shown
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Bill
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Bob,
If I have offended you - certainly unintentionally - then I sincerely apologize. This is just to clear up some misunderstanding.
I did cast aspersions on the code I have in mind - I mean the while loop I was describing - but not on ReporterFormatter.py! Just the contrary. I am keen on grasping the latter because I feel that is what I am looking for.
I did not formulate my request about it as a question just because I cannot expect anyone to explain what is inside. But there might be people who used to have the same difficulty and who would be willing to help me with it.
Thank you for your comments that I am going to study in detail. Some may even help me better understand ReporterFormatter.py.
Gabor
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Help! XML loads only Internet Explorer and is garbledeegoop. Unreadable.
Is there some other way to open a XML? Apparently a browser is not, and I tried LibreOffice, thinking it might be a spreadsheet. That don't work.
Morgan Bilbo, PRR fan
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Re: PanelPro No Longer Reads Route Table after 4.12 Upgrade
OK I have edited the Panel XML file to replace all route <systemName> to IRnn i.e. the old Route Table still had route numbers but now all names start IR. This has sorted the problem.
Chris
On Sun, 02 Sep 2018 16:07:00 +0100, chrismajer@... <chris@...> wrote:
Hi
Just upgraded to 4.12 to find that Panel Pro does not recognise the Route Table. If I go to Tables>Routes there is an empty page (should be about 200 Routes listed). If I load the Panel file into an XML editor, the Route information is still there. The panel looks the same as before and Turnouts still operate and Sensor icons respond (i.e. change when clicked on)
Do I need to edit the file to make it compatible?
Chris?
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Panel no longer loads into 4.12
Hi
Please I would be very grateful if someone could look at my panel Alec OO shed 7 just uploaded into things being worked on.
It no longer loads into 4.12. There is an error with the signals. I no longer use the signals and have deleted most of the parts but some would not delete. I would be greatful if this could be sorted. I tried reloading 4.11 and 4.10 to sort the problem but the panel would not load into any of them.
Thanks very much
Alec in the UK
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Re: DecoderPro will not read decoders
Hi Bob, I use the LocoNuffer USB. It works fine when I am programming the SignalMan in PanelPro. Philip
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:41 PM Bob Jacobsen < rgj1927@...> wrote: What do you use to connect the MacBookPro to the command station?
If it¡¯s a PR4, check this page:?
Bob
> On Sep 2, 2018, at 9:23 AM, canoephil <canoephil@...> wrote:
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> Group,
> I have a Digitrax DCS 100 command station, PowerPax, new MacBookPro, and JMRI version 4.12 installed.? My connections are good because I have been programing RR-cirkits SignalMan boards in PanelPro. I am now trying to read my locomotives on my programing track to add the engines to my roster and program them in JMRI.? The programing track is connected properly because I can program the engines.? When I open DecoderPro and open the "New Loco" window to find the engine decoder, DecoderPro tries to read CV 8, but fails.? I have tried Bachmann and Athearn Genesis engines.? Any suggestions?
> Philip Rockwood
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