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You cold make a new profile that does not start the panel. Then after JMRI has started Open the panel file. That will put more info into the System Console that you could copy and post here. (Its under help on the JMRI start screen) Walt

Michael,

Does the profile have any startup actions, such as “Open File”?

Dave Sand

Thanks Cliff and Joe,


Yes, my problem was that at some revision the "pick background image" button in Panel Editor must have been eliminated and its function moved to the icon list. The documentation just hasn't caught up with the change. I see "background" in the icon list where Cliff described.


Thanks to you both for responding!


Joe

One of my profiles won't load. I am running JMRI 4.10 on a MacBook Air 10.13.3, All of my other profiles load but not my main layout. Not sure what changed, it was working before.


When I try to load my main layout, I just the get the JMRI small logo (F8 to disable Logix). F8 has not effect.


Not sure where to start to fix this problem.


Thanks,
Michael Carney

I updated java (for some reason I can't get JDK to install) but anyway, when I enter java -version I get this now:

java version "9.0.4"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 9.0.4+11)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 9.0.4+11, mixed mode)



Again I'm running JMRI v4.10 on Linux Korora 25


I also noticed that every time I reboot I have to re-enter:
chmod 666 /dev/ttyS0
chmod 666 /dev/ttyS1





Defaults are set to loco-buffer.


Any more suggestions?

All of a sudden my profile won't load. I can load other profiles just not the one for my main layout. I am on version 4.10, mac os 10.13.3, The profile is complex and large and up until now has worked fine.


When I start JMRI and select another profile everything g boots up and is fine.


When I start JMRI with this specific profile, it just hangs and I get the small JMRI logo, hit f8 (hitting f8 does not help).


Where do I start looking for a problem.


Thanks,
Michael Carney

Joe,
I have not done this for a while, but I remember switching between Panel Editor and Control Panel Editor to insert the background image. I think you are in CPE. Switch the panel to PE and see if the "Pick Background Image" is not obvious there. Then you can switch back. The tools are similar yet different and I switched as needed to make it all work together.
Bob Bucklew

The "Select the type of icon to Add to Panel" is device called a combo box or pull down list or any number of things. It takes JMRI several moments to populate the list, so it might not seem to do anything. Once it is ready, the glyph on the right edge will provide you with a menu of thing that it will allow you to insert.

Use the scroll bar on the right of the list, and find the bottom of the list. The Fifth entry from the bottom should be "Background" and once you click on that, a default icon will appear. Of course you will have to click on the "Change Icon" button and then browse to the image you want.






should get you to some clinics and tutorials.


Also the search JMRI: window works miracles with "panel tutorials" (without quotes) in the window.


Cliff in Baja SoCal

I have just received a NCE usb interface I have downloaded JMRI and nce driver but my Mac is not seeing the usb any help will be appreciated

Gordie Connelly

Hi,


I'm trying to create a new panel in PanelPro. I'm running Windows 10, Java 1.8.0_161, and JMRI production version 4.10.


When I open the Panel Editor, I see entry spots for "X' and "Y", a "Set Panel Name" button, "Add Text" buttons, and a "Select the type of icon" menu. However I don't see anywhere to enter a "background image". The documentation shows a button for this, but it's not on my screen. Am I missing something very obvious here?


I thought maybe it would appear after entering the panel name, but it did not.


Any help to get by this Thanks.


Joe

What does the build report say? If you need help, please post the entire build report and we'll take a look at it.

Dan

Dear Ken and Bob and all,

I now have things running on 4.11.3.

DCCPPT0 is a valid name in DCC++ and that's what I had always used for the last year or so.

What I have done today is...

1/. Gone back to a system using the 'old' version on Linux Mint (17.x) and on that, deleted point 0 and introduced a new point 5 having the same underlying definition as 0 used to have. Then written that back to the underlying DCC++ Arduino so it knows that what used to be turnout with ID 0 is now called id 5 and removed references to 0. I saved all this in JMRI as a newly named configuration.

2/. I then checked out that I could still get that to work on my old system and I updated a jython script to ask for a turnout called DCCPPT5 rather than DCCPPT0. That worked on there.

3/. I then copied all the .jmri directory over to the computer with Linux Mint 18.2 (and newer versions of java etc) and on which I had JMRI 4.11.3. I copied my jython scripts over as well. With this done, I can now get everything to start and my jython scripts do shunting as used to work on the old system.

So, I am now of the conclusion that the handling of turnouts named DCCPPT0 which used to work fine now fails for some reason 4.11.3 coupled with Linux Mint 18.2 or more likely with a newer version of (Oracle) Java that we have on that machine. Its 1.8.161 of Java by the way.

Anyway, thanks for advice. I will look carefully though over things folks have said but we are now working again.

We now need to test what one of my students has been doing and then hopefully we shift our shunting yard down to our 'science week' event later. The three day event is mostly aimed at school kids aged about 7 to about 12 years old. The student project is eventually about enabling remote control from web browsers etc of our shunting yard.

Dave Price, Computer Science, Aberystwyth

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Subject: RE: [jmriusers] Re: Panel pro window does not appear un an upgraded linux mint system



Dave P,

Item 2, really long system connection name. Change that to only one letter.
So it should be 'D' if you don't have another connection that was starting
with 'D'. This change has to do with how the system names get sorted.
Allowing arbitrary length names was breaking the sorts and leading to other
odd problems. Unfortunately, this change has not made it into the help pages
yet. So they still show 'DCC++' for the prefix.

Item3, long delay before getting to preferences. I'm betting the computer
has a lot of font files. Before opening certain windows the system is
waiting for it to complete cataloging the available fonts on the computer.
Certain fonts can take seconds for this while other fonts only a few
milliseconds. We don't know why the big difference. We have a similar issue
with opening the roster if a user has lots of very large graphic files. It
takes a lot of computer time to scale those down to the size used in the
roster view. I'm talking 100+ files that are 1M+ size.

Item 4, I'm not sure that zero is allowed for a turnout number in the Dcc++
system. But looking at the help pages it says it should. There could a bug
where common code is not expecting the zero and causing the issue. Most
systems don't have a zero for this, they all start with 1.

Your log didn't come through as attachments are not allowed by the group
system. You would have to upload them to the group files area under
'Problems being worked on' and include your panel file, we can help make
sure the prefix conversion is correctly done.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org





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Dave P,

Item 2, really long system connection name. Change that to only one letter.
So it should be 'D' if you don't have another connection that was starting
with 'D'. This change has to do with how the system names get sorted.
Allowing arbitrary length names was breaking the sorts and leading to other
odd problems. Unfortunately, this change has not made it into the help pages
yet. So they still show 'DCC++' for the prefix.

Item3, long delay before getting to preferences. I'm betting the computer
has a lot of font files. Before opening certain windows the system is
waiting for it to complete cataloging the available fonts on the computer.
Certain fonts can take seconds for this while other fonts only a few
milliseconds. We don't know why the big difference. We have a similar issue
with opening the roster if a user has lots of very large graphic files. It
takes a lot of computer time to scale those down to the size used in the
roster view. I'm talking 100+ files that are 1M+ size.

Item 4, I'm not sure that zero is allowed for a turnout number in the Dcc++
system. But looking at the help pages it says it should. There could a bug
where common code is not expecting the zero and causing the issue. Most
systems don't have a zero for this, they all start with 1.

Your log didn't come through as attachments are not allowed by the group
system. You would have to upload them to the group files area under
'Problems being worked on' and include your panel file, we can help make
sure the prefix conversion is correctly done.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org

When I open that file with an XML viewer its the Preferences for Withrottle, Not your panel file.

Walt

I don’t know much about DCC++, so I have to ask a naive question: Is DCCPPT0 a valid Turnout name for the hardware?

If yes, then there’s a bug that I think I know how to fix.

Bob

Dave said to upload the panel XML file. That's the only one I uploaded, all 30k of it.

Dear Jack and all,

Now 4.11.3 + DCC++ running on Linux Mint 18.2

1/. With JMRI 4.11.3 I can now see the PanelPro window after a short delay.

2/. However, as I start that I get a complaint about one of my turnouts DCCPPT0. Indeed, even by (manually) editing the various XML files in .jmri/.... and changing the name of DCCPPT0 to DCCPPT10 it still complains about one named DCCPPT0 !!

3/. If in PanelPro I select edit => preferences nothing appears for a VERY long time. If I look at processes on my computer (with top) java is showing as taking 100% of CPU. After a very long delay, probably a couple of minutes, the preferences window then appears. And then, looking at top's output, java has dropped to only using about 15% of CPU.

4/. Once this is running, I can use the tables -> turnouts and I can change all my turnouts with one exception. If in the xml files I have the final turnout numbered DCCPPT0 when it does not appear at all. If I manually edit the xml files to have it named DCCPPT10 it then does show in table but will not operate. If I used the DCC++ special menu and turn on monitoring, I can then still see this turnout 0 in the monitor and with correct configuration. However, as I say, when I start PanelPro the error about DCCPPT0 is logged (even if I have edited xml to say 10 rather than 0). And, whether I have it named 0 or 10 the tables -> turnouts will not let me operate it.

I attached my session log if it helps.

Any ideas?

[As I commented when I started this trail, everything worked fine on an older version of Linux Mint and with matching older java versions.]

Dave Price

Dave Price, Computer Science, Aberystwyth University.

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Sent: 12 March 2018 08:33:36
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Re: Panel pro window does not appear un an upgraded linux mint system

Dear Jacques and Walter,

I had tried the latest stable release but not 4.11.3.

I'll have a go at trying that version shortly.

Dave

Dave Price, Director of Infrastructure, IMPACS

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Sent: 12 March 2018 04:21:33
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Subject: [jmriusers] Re: Panel pro window does not appear un an upgraded linux mint system



Hi Dave,
I have spent the last two days trying to figure out the problem with the PanelPro tables not opening.
Just install the Test release 4.11.3. all the tables are displayed with this version.


Regards,


Jacques









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Looks like you didn't let it finish the up load. Walt

I've uploaded my panel file to that folder called 'Scott Rixon'.

I also removed Java from my linux box, then put it back, made no difference to the slow down.

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