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Wendell,
I'm not sure what DecoderPro is supposed to read with this but try
taking the engine off the track and then programming. It should read
something like "engine not on track". There were some comments on the
Digitrax about DB150 behavior if you don't shut track power off before
programming. The following is quoted from the Digitrax list.
"What I have found is that if the track power is on during programming, the
DB-150 will beep and then shut off the track power when you hit the enter
key (DT-400) to complete a programming sequence
sic
Now, I simply shut off the track power before programming any locos on the
track."
Jon Miller
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Bill,
A thought occurred while grocery shopping. The DCS100 (Chief) has a
current limit on the programming track. The fact that you have two decoders
in that engine may be beyond the current capabilities of the programming
track. You can use just a decoder and clip it to the programming track. In
fact it's a good idea to have or make a decoder tester. That way you can
connect it to the programming track, test it, and program it before it ever
goes into the engine. A really good idea as some installs take a lot of
time.
Jon Miller
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Sorry to come late to this. At 3:33 PM -0500 11/2/02, Wendell Camp wrote: Bob I am getting time out talking to station Its adb150 I know I can't read the cvs but understood can write cvs As far as I know, the DB150 should work fine. I don't have one to test with, but other people use them routinely. At 8:18 AM -0500 11/3/02, Wendell Camp wrote: Jim I did the down load and installed still no joy decoder pro starts up showing 1.0.6 don't if this right ,still get error time out talking to command station, still didn't see where to choose pro gram track Wendell This is saying that there's something quite odd about how things are arranged in your PC. You've downloaded the most recent version, which definitely doesn't say it's version 1.0.6. Version 1.0.6 should work OK, but the fact that the download isn't correctly updating to the most recent version seems to mean that there's something missing. If it's still not showing "Version 1.1", I think you should try removing the program completely, then reinstalling it. To do this on Windows: 1) In your Start menu you should find a "JMRI" group, which contains an uninstall option. Pick that, and say OK ot any prompts. 2) Search for folders named "JMRI" and remove them. 3) Empty your recycle bin. Then try to redownload the 1.1 version and run the installer. Keep a careful eye out for any error prompts while running the installer, too. At 6:10 PM -0500 11/3/02, Wendell Camp wrote: I have a loco buffer and I do see Programming track is available on loco monitor Wendell This is good! Since you're seeing traffic on the LocoNet monitor, you're attached to the right port, the LocoBuffer is connected OK on both ends, and data is getting into the PC. Periodically, you should be seeing something that looks like this: Request data/status for slot 123 Read Fast Clock: (Data is Invalid - ignore) Running, rate is 4:1. Day 39, 3:44. Last set by ID 0x00 Master controller implements LocoNet 1.1, Track Status is Off, Programming Track is Available That's the fast clock broadcasting on the Loconet. When you click write, you should see something like: Write Programming Track: Write Byte in Paged Mode on Service Track Setting CV29 to 2 (0x2) (The CV number and value might vary) Is that what's happening? Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957)
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Bob,
I didn?t know that only A was there...but then again I only needed to change
A. It worked fine, I only needed to change the pulse time but I read all the
variables and it seemed to work fine. If you want me to try anything let me
know. I can?t program worth a hoot but I have patch cables out the kazoo and
a fluke.
William
The DS54 programmer definition isn't done. There's a little more
info on this in an earlier post:
It will take a little more work to finish it. I was hoping that
somebody would try the "A" pane and decide whether it's organized OK,
whether the terminology is right, etc, _before_ I replicated
everything three more times and editted it. It's a lot easier to get
that right at the start....
Bob
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Bill,
Forgot to add this check same as for Wendell,
I'm not sure what DecoderPro is supposed to read with this but try taking
the engine off the track and then attempt programming. It should read
something like "engine not on track".
I'm totally running out of ideas!
Jon Miller
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Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
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Bill,
Data cable means that the white wire goes to the white wire, in other
words one of the clips is up at one end and down at the other.
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[_]----------------------[_]
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Like the terrible asci drawing.
Have you tried a different decoder? Possibly just an engine with a
single decoder in it. I'm guessing you are running the Lenz decoder and DSX
sound decoder with the same engine number. This can work ok but the
decoders should be programmed separately. Try just programming a single
decoder. I can't think of anything else, it seems like it should work.
Jon Miller
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At 4:43 PM +0000 11/2/02, kbkranz wrote: Bob & others:
Would like to know should the programmer for Digitrax DS54 be
functional? I get info on the "A" section and appear to be able to
read and write but there is nothing on the other panes "B,C,D" is it
just not finished or do I have a problem on my end?
Thanks Kev The DS54 programmer definition isn't done. There's a little more info on this in an earlier post: It will take a little more work to finish it. I was hoping that somebody would try the "A" pane and decide whether it's organized OK, whether the terminology is right, etc, _before_ I replicated everything three more times and editted it. It's a lot easier to get that right at the start.... Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957)
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Jon:
I forgot to say I'm trying to program a loco with a Lenz decoder and DSX sound decoder install and sitting on the programming track. I heard somewhere that I should program each separately.
Bill
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>WHen I use the IDENT button (middle of the screen), I get the error
"stopping due to error: timeout talking to command station". Thanks.<
Disconnect the plug from the LocoBuffer where it connects to the DCS100
and plug the throttle in. Program with the throttle, does it work?
Check the LocoNet under debug. Does the line "Programming track is
available" ever come up?
Does the LocoBuffer data LED flash when you attempt to identify a
decoder?
Are you absolutely sure the cable between the LocoBuffer and the DCS100
is good? Make sure it is a data cable!
Jon Miller
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Jon:
Still trying to get pass the Timeout error.
1. Yes, I can program loco's using the throttle with the locobuffer not connected.
2. When I reconnect the locobuffer to the loconet and the PROG A&B output to the programming track I do get "Programming Track Available" under DEBUG - Locobuffer Monitor. The line of info just above this says "Track Status off".
3. Yes, the data LED flashes when I run a train and the Locobuffer Monitor window fills will data.
4. From item 3 above I would say my data cable is working fine.
5. Not sure what you mean "Make sure it's a data cable". I'm using 6 wire flat phone cable I got from Radio Shack and on which I crimped the RS232 plugs.
Thanks.
Bill
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>WHen I use the IDENT button (middle of the screen), I get the error
"stopping due to error: timeout talking to command station". Thanks.<
Disconnect the plug from the LocoBuffer where it connects to the DCS100
and plug the throttle in. Program with the throttle, does it work?
Check the LocoNet under debug. Does the line "Programming track is
available" ever come up?
Does the LocoBuffer data LED flash when you attempt to identify a
decoder?
Are you absolutely sure the cable between the LocoBuffer and the DCS100
is good? Make sure it is a data cable!
Jon Miller
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Jon I have a loco buffer and I do see Programming track is available on loco monitor Wendell
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Wendell,
Ok you are making progress. I forgot what is your computer interface, a
LocoBuffer or MS100? Lets try a few things similar to what we are testing
with Bill Rogers.
Under "Debug" bring up the "LocoNet Monitor". Do you see activity, turn
the throttle of a selected engine up and down and see what shows up on the
"LocoNet Monitor" window. Does the line "Programming track is available"
ever come up?
Make sure the cable from the LocoBuffer or MS100 is good.
Jon Miller
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An Adressing Issue/Bug?
Bob J,
I don't know if I've uncovered a bug in version 1.1 or if I'm having
trouble programming a 4-digit address simply because I don't
understand the mechanics behind doing so.
During reprogramming of min/mid/max voltages for a Digitrax DN121
decoder, I ran into a situation where DecoderPro set the address of
a previously programmed and functional decoder to 03. This occurred
even though I had entered a short address of 86 and a long address
of 1586. I've been able to replicate this twice through the
following steps;
- Utilize a suitable method to program a DN121 decoder with a
short address of 86 and a long address 1586. Set the decoder to use
extended addressing then test it to ensure the address has been
correctly programmed.
- Open DecoderPro then select Program Track, moving to the
decoder selection window.
- From the Digitrax drop down list, select and open the
programming pane for a DN121 decoder. Do not utilize an existing
profile.
- Once the programming pane opens and the default values are
displayed, change the short address to 86, the long address to 1586,
select the 4 bit extended address button then write the sheet (not
all.)
- At this point you'll need to move the loco off the program
track and onto the mainline. Once there, attempt to run the loco
utilizing long address 1586. If the problem was successfully
replicated, the loco won't respond. Change the address on your
throttle to 86, the loco's short address, and try again. Again the
loco won't move. For the final test, select an address of three on
the throttle and test the loco once again. This time it should
move. ¨C but why, it's address is supposed to be 1586!
Please also note that DN121 decoders do not sport a speed table. The
inclusion of such on this decoders' programming pane may lead some
folk to believe it does. Not a problem if they don't utilize it, but
it can sure be frustrating for newbie's who don't know better.
Believe me when I say I know those frustrations all to well!
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Wendell,
Ok you are making progress. I forgot what is your computer interface, a
LocoBuffer or MS100? Lets try a few things similar to what we are testing
with Bill Rogers.
Under "Debug" bring up the "LocoNet Monitor". Do you see activity, turn
the throttle of a selected engine up and down and see what shows up on the
"LocoNet Monitor" window. Does the line "Programming track is available"
ever come up?
Make sure the cable from the LocoBuffer or MS100 is good.
Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
NMRA Life member #2623
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jon I don't like being a pain but Ijust down load 1.1 I finaly see the test track or program on main my preferences seam to be set right but when I hit the write button I still get timeout taliking to command station writing cv29 closer but not there wendell
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installed still no joy decoder pro starts up showing 1.0.6< Wendell, This is a very old version, DecoderPro is now at version 1.1. The version on your machine,1.0.6 is four versions down!
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Jim, I'm also a DB150 user and concur with your very detailed explanation of DecoderPro's operation. Turning Track Power back on at the end of a programming cycle is a great idea BTW. You've now got me wondering if Bob J could do this? Bob --- In jmriusers@y..., "Jim Buckley" <jim@j...> wrote: I know Bob has done testing with an Empire Builder but I'm
not sure what
is supposed to happen. After a couple of months of using the DB-150 (Empire Builder) and
DecoderPro/LocoBuffer combination, I can report that it works
great! I mostly don't miss the read capability -- I've adapted to seeing the results by running the locos. (Still have the PR-1 hooked up on a separate com port if reading becomes necessary).
Very important! You must switch the output of the DB-150 away from the rest of the layout and onto a separate section of track which will serve as the programming track. I use a patch panel with banana plugs and jacks. Because the DB-150 has no "programming track" outputs like big brother DCS- 100, you will use the DB-150's track power outputs for programming, so if it is in any way connected to the main layout, all locos on that layout will get reprogrammed with the same data. Ugh -- not good. Also, if you have more than one booster on the layout, you must use the one that is the command station for programming. A DB-150 set as a slave booster will not output the programming info.
Couple of notes: From the DecoderPro opening screen, you will click on the upper "Use Programming Track..." button. All Read buttons on the
DecoderPro are properly grayed out after selecting Empire Builder in the preferences.
While programming, when you hit a Write button, the track power turns off and immediately programming begins accompanied by beeping from the DB-150 and the usual loco jumping -- all indicative of proper communication between computer, DB-150 and decoder. After each write is finished, the track power (annoyingly) remains off, so you must turn it back on with your throttle to test run the loco. Perhaps Bob could address this in the software by having track power turn back on automatically after each write. This is only an issue with the DB-150, not the DCS-100, however.
Hopefully, I can answer any other questions anyone may have about my experiences with the Empire Builder and DecoderPro.
Aloha,
Jim
Dinkey Creek & Lone Pine RR
Honolulu
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Jim I did the down load and installed still no joy decoder pro starts up showing 1.0.6 don't if this right ,still get error time out talking to command station, still didn't see where to choose pro gram track Wendell
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have yet to see any reference to any buttons marked use programming
track. Is it possible that there is something I am missing or
something missing from my program copy Wendell... Sounds like you don't have the latest version of DecoderPro. Go to: Scroll about half way down and download the file JMRI.1.1.exe. Install as usual and away you go! Aloha, Jim To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: jmriusers-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Michael,
You'll see all those lighting functions in the other SoundTraxx decoder files.
In fact they were in previous versions of the LC decoder files too. It looks
like the LC-Diesel and LC-Steam decoder files both got broken in this release.
Bob any idea what happened?
Robin
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Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:46 PM
To: JMRI Users
Subject: [jmriusers] Soundtraxx DSD-AT100LC
I've noticed some omissions on the Soundtraxx DSD-AT100LC programmer. One
the light tab, there is only on/off and dimmable for light effects. The LC
decoder support 15 effects, using CV49 & CV50 bits 0 to 3. Also those CV
have other bits defined, Bit 4 selects the phase of the effect, bit 5
enables/disables grade crossing logic, and bit 6 allows the output to
respond to the FX1 or FX2 function instead of the HL and BL (respectively).
I use bit 6 of CV50 to allow independent rear light of F5. Also with bit 6,
since it allows FX1 & FX2 to be used, the function mapping tab needs to have
FX1 & FX2 in the table to allow functions to be assigned to them.
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I've noticed some omissions on the Soundtraxx DSD-AT100LC programmer. One
the light tab, there is only on/off and dimmable for light effects. The LC
decoder support 15 effects, using CV49 & CV50 bits 0 to 3. Also those CV
have other bits defined, Bit 4 selects the phase of the effect, bit 5
enables/disables grade crossing logic, and bit 6 allows the output to
respond to the FX1 or FX2 function instead of the HL and BL (respectively).
I use bit 6 of CV50 to allow independent rear light of F5. Also with bit 6,
since it allows FX1 & FX2 to be used, the function mapping tab needs to have
FX1 & FX2 in the table to allow functions to be assigned to them.
I find the Soundtraxx LC series Tech Ref Manual to be easier and more
complete over the LC Owners Manual.
Also, Soundtraxx supports CV106 & CV106, user defined CVs.
Also, how do I get the loco table to be sorted in Ver 1.1?
Michael Mosher
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Also When I open decoder pro I
have yet to see any reference to any buttons marked use programming
track. Is it possible that there is something I am missing or
something missing from my program copy Wendell... Sounds like you don't have the latest version of DecoderPro. Go to: Scroll about half way down and download the file JMRI.1.1.exe. Install as usual and away you go! Aloha, Jim
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WHen I use the IDENT button (middle of the screen), I get the error "stopping due to error: timeout talking to command station". Thanks.< Disconnect the plug from the LocoBuffer where it connects to the DCS100 and plug the throttle in. Program with the throttle, does it work? Check the LocoNet under debug. Does the line "Programming track is available" ever come up? Does the LocoBuffer data LED flash when you attempt to identify a decoder? Are you absolutely sure the cable between the LocoBuffer and the DCS100 is good? Make sure it is a data cable! Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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