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To Jon and other testing CVP's AD4 DecoderPro file,

I managed to get a little time this afternoon to modify the screen
format for the AD4. I've run into a little bug and wondered if
someone would be kind enough to program their AD4 to an address
greater than 63, then read the data back and confirm the write.

Based on what I've seen while testing this out this afternoon, any
address greater than 63 is not written properly to the decoder. I
don't think CV9 is being set correctly but I can't tell for sure as
I'm working with a PR-1 to read back my data. Your confirmation of
such would be appreciated.

Bob

i downloaded Jbuilder
and got the zip file on the sourceforge pagei loaded up the code and
hit the run button and i get 5 erros
all involving this line

static org.apache.log4j.Category log =
org.apache.log4j.Category.getInstance(LocoNetMessage.class.getName());

Chad Spickett

Mine is revision 62. I see the data. The 4, 5, and 6 are probably
major revisions and the second digit are minor revisions. Just a guess
until I hear from Keith. Will put a note on the Yahoo site and see what
comes for an answer.
I know it says to be compatible with the Chief it needs to be 5.0 or
greater.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

John,

Information found in the AD4 Accessory Decoder Manual [See page 5,
Accessory Decoder CV's, CV 519 (7)]indicates software versions 4, 5
and 6 have shipped since the manual was printed in 1999. What
version number do you read via CV7?

Bob

--- In jmriusers@y..., "Jon Miller" <atsf@i...> wrote:

Once I got my head screwed on straight I tested my AD4's.

Little things

like "Direct Mode only" and removing the jumper help<G>. As mine

are for

slow motion machines I don't have the pulse part on my boards.

Programming

seems to be fine. I didn't test the flash rate part.
There is a manufactures ID and version number for AD4's CV's

519 (7) and

520(8). CV8 works just fine and identifies my unit as CVP

products but CV7

doesn't pick up my revision of 62. I guess we would have to check

with CVP

to determine the revision numbers associated with the AD4's, which

I will do

sometime today. Bob (Black Bart) as you are playing with the AD4

file I

will get the information to you as some as I can!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Once I got my head screwed on straight I tested my AD4's. Little things
like "Direct Mode only" and removing the jumper help<G>. As mine are for
slow motion machines I don't have the pulse part on my boards. Programming
seems to be fine. I didn't test the flash rate part.
There is a manufactures ID and version number for AD4's CV's 519 (7) and
520(8). CV8 works just fine and identifies my unit as CVP products but CV7
doesn't pick up my revision of 62. I guess we would have to check with CVP
to determine the revision numbers associated with the AD4's, which I will do
sometime today. Bob (Black Bart) as you are playing with the AD4 file I
will get the information to you as some as I can!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Bob,

With a clearer understanding of the need, I'd be willing to take on
the task of compiling the decoder information. I assume you'd want to
know the Decoders Manufacturer, Model Number and Version Number(s).
How do you wan the data collected - spreadsheet (Excel), database
(Access) or other means?

Bob
afticarr@...

needs some more research to really
determine what is supposed to happen. I'll have a did into the swing demo
samples, maybe they will reveal the secret...

Found it - the MouseEvent.isPopupTrigger() needs to be checked in the
Released event not the Pressed

I shifted showPopUp() to the Released event and it works as expected

Alex

Thanks, I'd appreciate it. The mouse events are handled primarily in
jmri.jmrit.display.PositionableLabel where I decode what's going on,
then invoke a subclass method to really display the popup. There's a
lot of debugging there, so if you just turn on the log4j category with

Well making the change below

if (e.isPopupTrigger() || ( ( e.getModifiers() &
MouseEvent.META_MASK ) != 0 ) ) {

allows a "Right-Click" to activate the popup so it now works for Win2K at
least. I'm not really sure how isPopupTrigger() will ever return true as it
is not obvious from the source - needs some more research to really
determine what is supposed to happen. I'll have a did into the swing demo
samples, maybe they will reveal the secret...

Alex

At 9:32 AM -0700 8/8/02, Robin Becker wrote:

I think there is a naming issue here with turnouts that might cause
confusion (it confused me anyway). Normally a lefthand turnout means the
diverging route goes to the left of the main route, so the "upper right"
turnout in the control panel is a "lefthand" turnout.

I was using "right" to mean "train going right goes along the main route". But of course it also means "right-hand turnout". I'd been using "upper" and "lower" for which direction the turnout goes, but that's even more confusing because "upper" could be "right-hard" if the direction was "left" or "left-hand" if the direction is "right", etc.

The whole thing ends up sounding like an Abbott & Costello routine, and should be abandoned.

How about "east" for "is oriented to the right", "north" for is oriented up the screen, etc? Then turnouts can be called by their handedness.

Of course, somebody will come up with a prototype where "east-bound" trains went left on the control panel....

Bob
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At 12:12 AM +0000 8/9/02, original_black_bart wrote:

I've had an opportunity to test functionality of the AD4 file.
Programming via a Digitrax DB150, readback via PR-1. Values are sent
as expected. In reviewing the fle, I've noticed a few that
programming is permitted via paged mode. This needs to be changed as
the AD4 doesn't support such.

Thanks for checking!

Which modes work for it? I couldn't tell from the manual.

Trusting that it's okay with you and the readers of this NG, I'm
going to tinker around with the XML file to see if I can't format the
display a little better. For example,; indication of time in 1/10
seconds when setting a pulsed signal. Should be able to review and
respond on htis by Saturday.

Sounds great, thanks.

All of the formatting is in the "pane" section at the bottom of the "CVProducts_AD4.xml" file. Eventually, some of that should move to the programmer files, so that its common across multiple stationary decoders, but since we've just got the one now I put it all in the single file.

Bob

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Bob,

From what I gather about the menu, right mouse click would be the usual way.

Robin

>
>> >Once icons are placed on the control panel, the tooltip says
>> "Alt-click to
> > >see menu, drag with meta key..."
>...
>Tried CTRL or ALT with left and right mouse buttons but nothing causes a
>menu to pop up.
>
>The right mouse button seems to be the "meta" key.

OK, I'm clearly confused.

What does one normally do to get pop-up menus on a Windows machine?
e.g. in other applications, etc. Is there a standard?

Try the file "jb1.0.3.zip" from the usual download location. It'll (hopefully) unpack to a file tree with a "java" directory, containing a "jmri.jpx" file that JBuilder can work from.

Bob

(Who's about to go offline for about 36 hours)
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At 4:00 PM +1200 8/9/02, Alex Shepherd wrote:

> What does one normally do to get pop-up menus on a Windows machine?

e.g. in other applications, etc. Is there a standard?

Bob,

I you like, I can take a look at this if you can tell me where to look in
the code for the mouse events.

Thanks, I'd appreciate it. The mouse events are handled primarily in jmri.jmrit.display.PositionableLabel where I decode what's going on, then invoke a subclass method to really display the popup. There's a lot of debugging there, so if you just turn on the log4j category with

jmri.jmrit.display.PositionableLabel = DEBUG

and click around you'll probably find what I did wrong.

Bob
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What does one normally do to get pop-up menus on a Windows machine?
e.g. in other applications, etc. Is there a standard?

Bob,

I you like, I can take a look at this if you can tell me where to look in
the code for the mouse events.

Alex

At 8:15 PM +0000 8/8/02, sixth_rule wrote:

what is a CVS checkout. and what repository all i found was the
source code snapshots on your technical page

The code snapshots are really meant as "snapshots" for browsing, rather than a starting point for working with the code.

CVS is a tool for keeping lots of copies of files up to date. The people at SourceForge.net host a "repository" that has master files. Via the CVS tool, you can create a local copy where you can compile, make changes, etc. Then, when somebody else updates the central copy (e.g. we fix bugs, add features, etc), you can just say "cvs update" to get all those changes made in your local copy. This is better than just downloading a new set of files, because all of your local changes are still in your local copy.

Once CVS is installed on your machine, you start the process by saying:

cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@...:/cvsroot/jmri co ant

I'll add some more on how to get CVS, start this, etc to the tech web page in a day or two when I've got a better net connection (I'm in the last stages of a trip now and sending mail from pay phones)

I'll also package up a .zip file with everything you do need to get started, just as if you'd done that with CVS. That'll let you play with the code for a while without having to install any other tools. But it'll be a couple of days until I'm able to do this, sorry for the delay.

Bob

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At 8:52 AM -0700 8/8/02, Robin Becker wrote:

Can you view the sensor or turnout number once you place them on the panel?

Sorry, gave a confusing answer to that before.

The ID numbers are in the popup menu. But that doesn't help until we get the popup working for you.

Bob
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At 12:12 PM -0700 8/8/02, Jim Hanna wrote:

Although I don't know that much about computers(just ask Robin)I will be more than happy to test any of my decoder equipped locos per your instructions if you are in need of feedback on a particular decoder that i might have in my roster.

(Sorry for the burst of messages; am working on this on an airplane, and sending them when I get a chance)

It would be great if you could go through your roster and check for decoders that don't identify. Getting the CV7 value and the model number for those would let me fix the identification, at least most of the time.

Bob
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At 11:58 AM -0700 8/8/02, Robin Becker wrote:

Bob,

>Once icons are placed on the control panel, the tooltip says
"Alt-click to

> >see menu, drag with meta key..."
...
Tried CTRL or ALT with left and right mouse buttons but nothing causes a
menu to pop up.

The right mouse button seems to be the "meta" key.

OK, I'm clearly confused.

What does one normally do to get pop-up menus on a Windows machine? e.g. in other applications, etc. Is there a standard?

Bob
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At 11:53 AM -0700 8/8/02, Robin Becker wrote:

> Does the panel start minimized (nothing by header)? Or is it

bigger than that.

It isn't minimized. Seems to be about 150x150. Resizing one time (small or
larger both work) fixes the problem.

Thanks. I'll look into it. It seems to be a Windows-specific (or at least not on my Mac), so I'll have to wait a couple days until I get home.

>

I think that's the same thing. There's a missing file, and code gets
confused trying to cope.

Well I created two missing upper-left files, unknown and error, and made a
new panel. Same problem. However, if I manually edit the panel file and
make the changes (upper-left and thrown where appropriate), then it displays
correctly.

Sorry, should have been clearer. The code that code confused is one of my tools, which generated the Java for the panel editor wrong. It's fixed now.

Bob
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At 10:41 PM +0200 8/8/02, Sip Bosch wrote:

Bob, magician,

Installed the new installer and it runs
like a rollercoaster. Thanks a lot.

"Runs like a roller coaster" is good, right? I have this mental image of the program zooming downhill while everybody screams...

When I first moved to France a while back, I was fond of the expression "Best thing since sliced bread". It took a couple of weeks for me to realize that most people listening thought I meant that something was a dumb idea when I said that.

Will work on the Zimo line of decoders.

Great, let me know if I can help.

Bob

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