Awesome Steve - Works perfectly
And thanks to Dave Sand and Mike for helping me understand better
what it was I was trying to do
NOW I can get building the JMRI side of my layout safe in the
knowledge I now have a working link between JMRI and AnyRail
Great work everyone
Phil G
On 06/08/2024 21:49, Steve Todd via
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Phil,?
You can download it from here:
Let me know how it goes.
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Brill!!
I'd never really needed to worry about Profiles before (having a
simple layout and a single control point)
But now, with two Lenz systems and a SPROG, profiles suddenly
become important. Though I hadn't noticed the simulator connection
options
THANKS
Phil G
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Phil,
Create a second profile with a simulated XpressNet
connection.
Use Preferences -> Config Profiles to enable the profile
selector.
Set Preferences -> File Locations to share the user files
location.
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] Using disconnected connections??
Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2024 10:58 AM
This may be a stupid question, but ....
My laptop CAN connect to my XpressNet based DCC command
station (and?
that's how I run? my layouts)
BUT I also use the laptop to manage JMRI when it is NOT
connected to?
XpressNet - when I just get an "internal" connection
Is it at all possible to have JMRI operate as IF there was a
valid?
connection (so I can create turnouts and routes etc)? I
accept that I?
won't be able to actually CONTROL anything, but at this point
that's?
moot (no layout!)
It would just be nice to be able to pre-prepare some
stuff......
Thanks
Phil G
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As Dave said make a new profile, then select Xpressnet simulator as the layout connection.
If you set the User File Location the same as your other connection then you will be able to easily open panels etc. used by that one.
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I do this to setup modular layouts at home on the simulator and then connect to the layout a meeting with a LIUSB.
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You can control the virtual turnouts and turn on and off sensors, so you can see if Logix, panels, routes etc. will work.
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Mike
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Hello,
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I have a few questions.
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Does JMRI can deduce the precise location of a train from its speed, it's size and a few object detectors ?
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If yes:
- With which precision ?
- Does JMRI can use train precise location to automate the maneuvers, including uncoupling and train formation ?
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Do you know of other software than JMRI who can do that ?
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For my diploma work for engineering, I need to develop a system that can measure, or deduce, the precise location of a train, with a precision of 2-3 cm.
Then, using this location, the system need to automate the maneuvers, including uncoupling and train formation.
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But before developing this system, I need to document what's already exist in the field of model making. And then found a new way of doing it.
I'm only allowed to develop something that nobody have already done.
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For the detectors, it's seems that model makers have already done every possibilities.
Including using 2 objects detectors to measure speed (and JMRI already have a speedometer).
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For positon deduced from other data, I have seen that JMRI already have a Train Tracker [1].
But, as I have only used the Decoder Pro until now, I don't know if the Train Tracker correspond to what I'm asked to develop or not.
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Best regards.
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PS: If my diploma work can be done, I plan to release the result software and hardware as free (as in freedom) software and hardware.
?????? And all the documents in similar licence. And if it implies modifying JMRI, I would be very happy to send my modifications as contribution to JMRI.
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[1] https://www.jmri.org/help/en/package/jmri/jmrit/logix/Tracker.shtml
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The way to bypass the problem (not the command) is to have something like a Raspberry Pi running JMRI at the layout, and then connect over the network using whatever the NCE equivalent of LoconetOverTCP from whatever other computers you want to use. On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 at 00:33, Canadian Locomotive Logistics via <CanadianLocomotiveLogistics= [email protected]> wrote:
The only issue I have, is the double A command.?
Everything else seems to work great!
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So I wondered if there was a way to bypass this command?
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Phil,
Create a second profile with a simulated XpressNet connection.
Use Preferences -> Config Profiles to enable the profile selector.
Set Preferences -> File Locations to share the user files location.
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] Using disconnected connections??
Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2024 10:58 AM
This may be a stupid question, but ....
My laptop CAN connect to my XpressNet based DCC command station (and?
that's how I run? my layouts)
BUT I also use the laptop to manage JMRI when it is NOT connected to?
XpressNet - when I just get an "internal" connection
Is it at all possible to have JMRI operate as IF there was a valid?
connection (so I can create turnouts and routes etc)? I accept that I?
won't be able to actually CONTROL anything, but at this point that's?
moot (no layout!)
It would just be nice to be able to pre-prepare some stuff......
Thanks
Phil G
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Using disconnected connections??
This may be a stupid question, but ....
My laptop CAN connect to my XpressNet based DCC command station (and that's how I run? my layouts)
BUT I also use the laptop to manage JMRI when it is NOT connected to XpressNet - when I just get an "internal" connection
Is it at all possible to have JMRI operate as IF there was a valid connection (so I can create turnouts and routes etc)? I accept that I won't be able to actually CONTROL anything, but at this point that's moot (no layout!)
It would just be nice to be able to pre-prepare some stuff......
Thanks
Phil G
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Nigel & Mark.
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As neither of you have told me otherwise, I¡¯ll assume that I was correct in terms of the number of COM ports I need in each scenario.
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Nigel. I only expect to do monitoring while troubleshooting my sketch. I have completed the coding, transferring some code from a proof of concept to the sketch which runs my layout, but it may still need some tweaking. Once it¡¯s running OK, I won¡¯t need to send messages to the Serial Monitor.
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Alternatively, is there some way I can send Serial.print output to JMRI? That would save a COM port.
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Thanks and Regards
Ron Ventura
Melbourne, Australia
JMRI 5.6+R89a87446cb
Java 11.0.14
Windows 11
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So long as there are sufficient USB sockets available, a Windows computer will allocate COM Port numbers to each device which behaves as a serial device when it is plugged in. ? You may only need one USB port on the computer. I am using a Win7 computer with only one USB port. I have a 4-port USB hub attached with 3 devices plugged into the hub (NCE interface, Sprog IIv3, LokProgrammer). Windows assigns a separate COM number to each. ? Mark Granville
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I went in to the museum yesterday to work some more on this problem. I found that the Java version is 8 or "1.8" as displayed in JMRI. Checked the log files, the last line is always that shutdown completed normally. I thought maybe my two Jython scripts could be the problem so I disabled them and the problem persisted. As I previously mentioned, Java is shown in Task Manager as still running after the shutdown. I can't "end task" on it. I guess I should have looked in the Windows syslog. That will have to wait until my next trip in there.
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Any thing else I can do to investigate this?
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George
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For the devices you've outlined, they are all USB.? ?So long as there are sufficient USB sockets available, a Windows computer will allocate COM Port numbers to each device which behaves as a serial device when it is plugged in.? ?(There
are some USB devices which present multiple serial connections, so request two or three COM ports from Windows, but you don't have one listed in your posting (eg. Digikeijs/Yamorc command stations).? ? I sometimes program groups of Arduino or similar devices,
and may have half a dozen different COM port numbers active for each of them).? ??
Within JMRI, for a given "profile",? you can have multiple layout connections.? You can have multiple profiles, including making those profiles point to the same data files or same folder/directory.? ? ?So, for the situation you've outlined,
I can see two approaches:
a)? always connect both the Arduino/CMRI and the NCE system, and just use what you require of them.? If you don't use one component that's fine, but it is plugged into the USB and powered.? ?One profile, with two layout connections,
does the lot.?
b)? select any combination of what is connected.? Three profiles, all pointing to same data files.? One for each of the options outlined:? Arduino/CMRI only,? NCE only and combined NCE/CMRI.?
You can monitor a serial connection with another software tool whilst using it, but its flying very near the limit.? There will be problems if the tool for monitoring also sends any commands over the connection used by the active system
(which it may do when opening, or changing the baud-rate).? ? There are some software applications which can do a "virtual serial port" split of the COM-port, and present two separate ones, whether that's worth getting doing depends how much monitoring you'll
be doing.??
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Subject [jmriusers] How Many COM ports do I need? #com-ports
Hi All.
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Just seeking some advice on what I need to do to connect my layout to JMRI. I have an NCE Powercab, with an NCE USB interface board, and an Arduino Mega, which controls the turnouts on the layout, with input currently coming from Berrett-Hill Touch Toggles.
This is set up and working.?
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I want to add the ability to use JMRI to control the turnouts by setting up the Mega as a CMRI node. I can then use an IPad (or JMRI from my PC) to switch the turnouts. I will use a Light object to signal to the Mega whether JMRI is active or not. If JMRI
is not active, I will use input from the Touch Toggles. If JMRI is active, I'll use input from JMRI and the IPad only, ignoring the Touch Toggles. Later, I may investigate using input from both, but this is a complication I'm going to avoid for now. I am OK
with the coding for all this, but am seeking advice on setting up the connections to the layout.
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I believe this is what I need, depending on the situation:
- If just using JMRI to control the turnouts (not programming or train control from JMRI), I only need to configure one COM port, connected to the Mega Serial port, to allow the transmission of CMRI data from JMRI.
- If just using JMRI for programming or train control (switching of turnouts by Touch Toggles only), I again only need to configure one COM port, connected to the NCE USB board.
- If I want JMRI to do programming or control trains AND switch turnouts, I'll need to set up two COM ports: one connected to the NCE USB board (train control) and another connected to the Mega Serial port (for CMRI).
In each case, if I want to output diagnostic message to the Arduino IDE Serial Monitor, I'd need an additional COM port. Have I got this right??
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Thanks.
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Thanks and Regards
Ron Ventura
Melbourne, Australia
JMRI 5.6+R89a87446cb
Java 11.0.14
Windows 11
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Mike,
The web view shows the current contents of the panel.
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help with multiple panels showing and web server
Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2024 1:49 AM
Hi Dave,
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Brilliant, many thanks. I now manually launch the mimic panel once Panel Pro has started, and almost immediately I could also project the working panel to the webpage and on to my tablet. Can now walk about changing points via the tablet.
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I assume blocks and signals can be added later?
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Best Regards,
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Mike
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Tel (Mobile):??? +64 210 570003
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Postal Address: PO Box 401025, Mangawhai Heads, Mangawhai, New Zealand, 0541
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email: mike@...
gmail: mr.mahoose@...
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¡°The purpose of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable¡¡¡±
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You are loading two xml data files. ?That almost never works.
C:\Users\mike\JMRI\Aberdeen_test_1.jmri\Turnouts.xml
C:\Users\mike\JMRI\Aberdeen_test_1.jmri\Panel.xml
Start by removing Turnouts.xml from "Preferences -> Start Up". ?See if "Panel.xml" has the correct panel. ?
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help with multiple panels showing and web server
Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2024 5:58 PM
Hi Dave,
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Thanks for this.
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I created another file ¡°panel backup.xml¡± a few weeks ago as I was paranoid about losing the panel I¡¯d spent days creating! Perhaps this is at the root of my issues. Should I just delete this file? If so will my good panel stay in ¡°panel.xml¡±?
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I attach the system console as you asked below.
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It¡¯s very important for me to use JMRI as a webpage so I can use my touchscreen, but all I get at the moment when on 192.168.1.48:12080 is ¡°no discoverable panels¡±¡
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10:34:47,110 apps.util.Log4JUtil ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- * JMRI log ** [main]
ERROR StatusConsoleListener Unable to copy file C:\Users\mike\JMRI\log\messages.log to C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\${jmri.log.path}messages.1.log: java.nio.file.AccessDeniedException C:\Users\mike\JMRI\log\messages.log -> C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\${jmri.log.path}messages.1.log
10:34:47,235 apps.util.Log4JUtil ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- This log is stored in file: C:\Users\mike\JMRI\log\session.log [main]
10:34:47,235 apps.util.Log4JUtil ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- This log is appended to file: C:\Users\mike\JMRI\log\messages.log [main]
10:34:47,360 apps.Apps ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- PanelPro version 5.6+R89a87446cb starts under Java 11.0.12 on Windows 10 amd64 v10.0 at Wed Aug 07 10:34:47 NZST 2024 [main]
10:34:50,140 apps.Apps ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- Starting with profile Aberdeen_test_1.3ee232d8 [main]
10:34:50,640 jmri.util.node.NodeIdentity ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- Using d7bbcf9d-f93e-4bac-8d88-9b2ebfc0c7c5 as the JMRI storage identity for profile id 3ee232d8 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
10:34:51,015 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO ?- Starting to connect for "NCE" [main]
10:34:51,686 .nce.serialdriver.SerialDriverAdapter INFO ?- NCE COM3 port opened at 9600 baud [main]
10:34:52,108 jmri.jmrix.mqtt.MqttAdapter ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- MQTT starting connect with MQTTchannel = "" [main]
10:34:52,124 jmri.jmrix.mqtt.MqttAdapter ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- Connection M is using a clientID of "MyJMRIRailroadMjmri00E9" [main]
10:34:52,670 jmri.jmrix.mqtt.MqttPowerManager ? ? ?INFO ?- Subscribed to track/power [main]
10:34:53,904 jmri.util.startup.PerformFileModel ? ?INFO ?- Loading file C:\Users\mike\JMRI\Aberdeen_test_1.jmri\Turnouts.xml [main]
10:35:01,824 mri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController WARN ?- Timeout on reply to message: AA consecutive timeouts = 0 in nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:01,933 jmri.jmrix.nce.NceConnectionStatus ? ?WARN ?- Incorrect or no response from NCE command station [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:02,636 jmri.util.startup.PerformFileModel ? ?INFO ?- Loading file C:\Users\mike\JMRI\Aberdeen_test_1.jmri\Panel.xml [main]
10:35:04,930 utEditor.configurexml.LayoutEditorXml WARN ?- File contains a panel with the same name (My Layout) as an existing panel [AWT-EventQueue-0]
10:35:08,880 rit.display.layoutEditor.LayoutEditor WARN ?- File contains a panel with the same name (My Layout) as an existing panel [AWT-EventQueue-0]
10:35:11,357 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path program: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\ [main]
10:35:11,357 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path preference: is C:\Users\mike\JMRI\Aberdeen_test_1.jmri\ [main]
10:35:11,357 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path profile: is C:\Users\mike\JMRI\Aberdeen_test_1.jmri\ [main]
10:35:11,357 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path settings: is C:\Users\mike\JMRI\ [main]
10:35:11,357 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path home: is C:\Users\mike\ [main]
10:35:11,357 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path scripts: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\jython\ [main]
10:35:11,935 mri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController WARN ?- Timeout on reply to message: AA consecutive timeouts = 1 in nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:12,044 jmri.jmrix.nce.NceConnectionStatus ? ?WARN ?- No response from NCE command station [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:12,903 jmri.web.server.WebServer ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- Starting Web Server on port 12080 [WebServer]
10:35:14,059 jmri.web.server.WebServer ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- Starting ZeroConfService _http._tcp.local for Web Server with properties {path=/, json=5.4.0} [WebServer]
10:35:14,918 apps.PanelPro.PanelPro ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO ?- Main initialization done [main]
10:35:22,058 mri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController WARN ?- Timeout on reply to message: AA consecutive timeouts = 2 in nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:22,167 jmri.jmrix.nce.NceConnectionStatus ? ?WARN ?- No response from NCE command station [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:32,180 mri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController WARN ?- Timeout on reply to message: AA consecutive timeouts = 3 in nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:32,289 jmri.jmrix.nce.NceConnectionStatus ? ?WARN ?- No response from NCE command station [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:42,302 mri.jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController WARN ?- Timeout on reply to message: AA consecutive timeouts = 4 in nce.NceTrafficController [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
10:35:42,411 jmri.jmrix.nce.NceConnectionStatus ? ?WARN ?- No response from NCE command station [nce.NceTrafficController Transmit thread]
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Do the two panels have the same name? ?If so, change one of them and then do a store. ?Stop and re-start PanelPro and load the xml file. ?Now try deleting the old panel and do the store process again. ? After restarting PanelPro you should only have one panel. ?If not, go to "Help -> System Console", click on the "Copy to clipboard" button and paste into a reply.
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help with multiple panels showing and web server
Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2024 2:11 AM
Thanks Leo. I managed to get rid of the blank panel, but not the other one. Not sure what to do.?
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help with multiple panels showing and web server
Hello Mike.
I am assuming that after the deletion of the two unwanted panels, that you save the file. Otherwise the two panel will come back.
Do not know on #2.
Hi there,
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I would appreciate some help please. I have spent the last month or so creating a large mimic on PanelPro, some 50 or so points and crossings.
I have this mimic controlling my railway, via MegaPoints servo boards and MQTT. The system works!
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However, I have two rather annoying issues:
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- Each time I launch panel Pro it comes up with 3 panels, including the one I want. One panel is blank, the other an earlier version of my now complete panel. I delete the two unwanted panels each time, and then quit the programme, but they come back each time I re-launch.
- I am trying to cast my panel to a touch screen laptop, but all I get on the JMRI webpage for my system is ¡°No discoverable panels¡±
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I¡¯m not particularly smart on these things, so can someone please help me resolve items 1 and 2 above¡.
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Very much looking forward to hearing from someone!
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Best Regards,
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Mike
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Tel (Mobile):??? +64 210 570003
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Postal Address: PO Box 401025, Mangawhai Heads, Mangawhai, New Zealand, 0541
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email: mike@...
gmail: mr.mahoose@...
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¡°The purpose of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable¡¡¡±
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ken, you will have to email me direct?
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My ip address and port number.?
thanks for the help. In the mean time my layout is unavailable for running trains publicly.?
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Of you want to try using my my NCE mainline¡
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download the virtual com software here
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The AA commands get sent by JMRI to see what is connected or not on
the port. A reply with three digits is expected. Nominally it is on a
10 second loop. This accounts for why some people say on starting JMRI
it says there is a connection but 10 seconds later, it 'goes red'.
Until that times out, it leaves the status alone which defaults as
green.
My guess is your network hardware is delaying or buffering some of the
data and that is confusing things.
The proof for this would be temporarily moving the computer and
command station together and eliminate the network connection. If the
error goes away, that points to something in the net connection. If it
remains the same, then it would seem the network connection isn't
making a difference.
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
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On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 05:46 AM, Brian & Cherry Clark wrote:
I do wonder whether changing the track type to "Interchange" will improve matters further.
Most likely not.? Track type has little to nothing to do with car movement.? However, the track restrictions, on a spur or interchange, will influence car movement.? For example, an interchange will not by default allow the same train to set out and pull a car from the track.? Whereas a spur track type allows the same train to service it.
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The program uses the car's move count to determine the order cars are pulled from a location, the track type isn't considered.? The program at the very start of a build, will determine if there are track restrictions with regards to pulling cars from the various tracks, and if there are restrictions, states in the train's build report "Exclude car (xyz) at? ...." if the train can't pull the car. Excluded cars are not serviced by the train.
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Dan
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If it is a large icon, it may be on level 1, which is locked.
That's what JMRI does when the image is "large"
I don't know what the size cutoff is, but its best to shrink the icon before inserting it.
Edit the XML file. Change level 1 to another level e.g. 2.
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Vinny DeRobertis ~ Apex, NC
New York & Hudson Valley RR
Windows 7 Pro / Java 11 / JMRI v5.7.7
Command Station: Digikeijs DR5000.
Booster: Digikeijs DR5033
Interface: Samsung A7 10.4" Tablets/Fully Kiosk.
DCC/DMX Gateway: Pricom LLS.
LocoNet Input Modules: Digikeijs DR4088LN
DCC Output Modules:
Digikeijs DR4018 / Yamorc YD8116.
Sensors: Model Train Technology: DETECTOR-HO.
Turnout Motors: MTB MP1
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Ken, it is ?just the first couple of AA commands.?
i see a AA command before the panel Pro shows, them more after. ?Well if you connect to my serial port, im sure you will see.?
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Ive had this serial server for a long time.?
and i don¡¯t have 30¡¯ serial cables.?
i have multiple JMRIs using my layout. One does programming and two run the layout. One is for the public, the other is personal.?
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I¡¯m all for the idea.?
if you want, you can install the virtual com port software yourself and connect to my layout JMRI.?
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I ?just need to give you the IP address and port number to connect to then.?
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George Hofmann
Canadian Locomotive Logistics
Ken Cameron