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Re: Turnouts - individual blocks or part of other blocks
I dont know what sprog and arduino is but i assume its cheaper.
For the direction sensors just define a bunch of sensors in your sensor table. Then when you define each ssl signal place a sensor for the 2 directions where it asks for it in the window that your using. ?They are not actual sensors but placeholders four ssl logic to use. ?I use ssl signals on jmri. ?No physical signals so they dont add cost.?
Most people using automation claim sml signals are better. ?If i remember correctly sml are not placed at switches. ?When have switches in the block It causes the train to stop a block further than the signal is. At least thats what happens when i tried sml.
Using ssl if block 1 is occupied then block 2 behind it is where the train following it will stop. Thus with only a 6 block loop and setting allocations it 2 instead of 3 you can get 2 trains running on that loop.?
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On May 12, 2020, at 9:35 AM, SteveM <steve@...> wrote:
?Hi Tony, ? The cost element of the extra hardware hadn't slipped my notice and I am having to build my system with cost restrictions just to prove to my wife this isn't a whim, so using Sprog and Arduino with both current sensing and optical sensors,? I was partially driven to re-think the turnouts and blocks issue when I tried adding signal masts as jmri wants to add them to boundaries to blocks? which works fine when the turnout is a separate block, when I tried SSL Dispatcher need sections to have directional sensors? so that bamboozled me .
Thanks Steve
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Hello Michael,
The way I've always understood it C/I (Classification / Interchange) tracks are used to route cars from one train to another to get them to their final destination while yard tracks are used mostly for car storage.? An example is I use yard tracks for Off Spot storage,?while with C/I tracks I can specify which trains can make pick ups and set?outs to specific tracks.? Hope this helps. Cheers, Dennis Drury
Dayton, NV
The miracle is this: the more we share the more we have.
Leonard Nimoy
How does OpPro differently use yard tracks and classification tracks?
Michael Boyle
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Some folks are just not linear.
When doing support calls, I usually give the user only one step at a time. Do this, done? do that, done? etc.
Some MFGs have better instructions than others. The SPROG instructions are very easy to follow (for me), but you need to print them out before you start as you will be rebooting the PC at least twice.
Thomas
DeSoto, TX
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Personally, I think a lot of these problems are self-inflicted.
Several years ago, I tried helping someone with their interface device (on a different list) because at the time I had the exact same interface device and OS. The ONLY way I could reproduce the failure they were reporting was to deliberately NOT follow the manufacturer's installation instructions!
I see the same thing here - One of the developers will ask someone to do A, then B, then C in that order and report the EXACT results from each. The OP then replies, "Well, I tried 1, then 3, then 2 and it still doesn't work!"
Steve
"Breezlys"
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Gearge,
Thanks for the info.
And also a BIG Thank You to all the "developers" involved in the JMRI project.
Thanks Dennis Munro Berlin, WI
An "Edit" menu (cut, copy, paste, undo, redo, etc.) is definitely one of the features I'd like to implement.
Unfortunely there is a lot of clean up work to be done before that can be attempted.
One thing to note is that every time you store your layout a backup copy is made of the previous store.
This means that you can undo everything back to the previous stores just by restarting and reloading the appropriate backup file.
It would be convenient if LE had a "reload from disk" option… but that's almost as hard as implementing an "Undo".
BTW: You can log issues (including feature requests) at?
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There are already write-ups on the manufacturers websites for installing drivers for their devices. This is not an issue of JMRI with windows 10.
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An "Edit" menu (cut, copy, paste, undo, redo, etc.) is definitely one of the features I'd like to implement.
Unfortunely there is a lot of clean up work to be done before that can be attempted.
One thing to note is that every time you store your layout a backup copy is made of the previous store.
This means that you can undo everything back to the previous stores just by restarting and reloading the appropriate backup file.
It would be convenient if LE had a "reload from disk" option… but that's almost as hard as implementing an "Undo".
BTW: You can log issues (including feature requests) at?
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I haven't lost my roster in over 2 weeks after updating to a build a with subsequent updates including 4.19.6
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Dave,
The VAST majority of the time the object is a turnout. Some how?I have grabbed one of the legs & really moved the object beyond recognition. I do the basic layout at a zoom ratio (in this case it is 1:10) that lets me see the entire layout. I've never tried to set the zoom to 1:4 to re-adjust the turnout back to normal but that should work.
If I use your implied undo, then I need to be doing more save's. And that is something I'm learning & is simple enough to do. There are times I've seen the save being saved with the a date/time stamp append to the file name. That is a better way (to me) to name a backup but the date/time stamp is not there consistently for me. What do I need to do to get that to be appended on every save? It saves the message about overwriting the file.
What I've done is to delete some of these multiple detail saves & only keep the "major" saves. Looking at the LEPanel xml in Visual Studio, I've noticed there is a section labeled file history. I'm guessing that those that have no file name listed are those files that I deleted? Do I care about the blank entries or do they eventually get cleaned out?
If I could (make it an option?) get the save to always append a date/time stamp, that is great. Saving is simple so then an undo is not needed.
Thanks. Dennis Munro Berlin, WI
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:06 PM Dave Sand < ds@...> wrote: Dennis,
There is no specific "Undo".? The implied undo is stopping without storing and restarting. ?
Some people use a different file name for each store.? Others rely on the backupPanels directory which has the previous version from each store.? I use a mixture.
You don't say what you want to undo.? Most of the time a "redo" is all that is needed.? If you decide a left hand turnout should be a right hand, then yes, you need to delete it and add the correct one.
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] Layout Editor Feature Request #layouteditor
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:53 AM
My info is as follows:
Win 10 Pro?Version 1909?
Java 1.8.0_241(en)?
JMRI version 4.19.5ish?
Digitrax PR4 using Com port 3?
Digitrax DCS100 ONLY as a command station?
Digitrax DB150 ONLY as a booster
Layout Editor connection is Digitrax Simulator
This is my first major attempt to get a layout designed before laying too much more track.
I've entered info creating turnouts, track segments, & block tables.
No Results is displayed when I run the various Tools || Check option.
The blocks are in place & the turnouts work when clicking on them.
Sections will mimic blocks BUT not yet entered. ?
I will eventually remember what does what but I've butchered numerous objects on?the?LE grid so I just delete the?object & make a new object.
99 times out of 100 the object is a?TO.
One thing I would really appreciate is a way to "Undo" a mistake.
Or is that capability there & I just have not found it?
Thanks?
Dennis Munro
Berlin, WI
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There has been a lot of traffic on both Digitrax and JMRI. And of course, others that I'm not aware of. About connecting to JMRI with Windows 10. But I see similarity between the questions re. SPROG, PR3/4 & LocoBuffer. Apparently they all have trouble. And from what I can gather, the cure or fix is in Windows and appears to be the same fix. Disable the driver download from the Device Manager and install the driver direct from the source. So what I'm opening up here is "why don't someone write a simple step by step solution that can be in the Files". And whenever a newbie tries to connect to Windows 10, simply refer them to that file and stop all this traffic on the forums that seem to repeat themselves. If I'm wrong about the solution being the same for all/SPROG,PR3/4,LocoBuffer and/or any other, then I apologize for this. I'm new to JMRI and can only state what has been said many times. It's the greatest gift to MR and DCC ever. Morgan Bilbo, PRR fan
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I don't remember the difference between yard and I/C but the way things were explained to me in the begining I could not see why the way I wanted to run my RR why one would ever pick yard over I/C so I chose I/C works great for me. Cars coming in to the "yard" are sorted by next destination on the tracks which cuts down on the amount of switching done in the "yard" for outbound crews. Most of the time my crews kick 1 or 2 cars out of a track jjust because the is no place to go at that time.
I think it was Inspector Dave that got me on that particular rabbit hole. It works just the way it's supposed to in my mind, Thanks.?
Matt Greenwood
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Hi
Today I posted issue #8526 on Github related to this issue. I hope somebody can take a look at it.
Thanks in advance.
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Am 12.05.2020 um 16:08 schrieb Mike Heintzman: Haven’t had much chance to play with it but the new volume sliders work great. Thanks. Also been playing with ‘spatial sound’ but it’s making my brain sweat. Thanks for the first tests. Yeah, it's complicated. Did you focus more on theory or practical application? Klaus
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Thank you for your input. I will look again at the sound decoder instructions. Hopefully it will be successful.
Thanks again for your help. Phil
Furthering Marc’s response: ? My recollection is that the SFX004 ‘Sound Bug’ was specifically designed as an add-on sound decoder for Digitrax motor decoders.? There are ?‘common’ CV’s were both decoders ‘should’ be programmed the same and ‘exclusive’ CV’s, not included in the motor decoder, for sound customization.? ? The SFX004 manual says: ? QUOTE?? The SoundFX? sound CVs in the range of CV140 to CV256 let you customize your decoder without having to reprogram or change the installed sound scheme.? ? Standard decoder CVs in the range of CV01 to CV120 operate the same as fora non-sound FX3Digitrax decoders (they control motor and light functions etc.) CV58 is used as Master Volume, and CV60 is used to select an alternate scheme, if provided in the sound project.? END QUOTE ? This allows programming both decoders simultaneously without using a scheme (decoder lock; separate addresses, etc.) to program only 1 decoder at a time. ? As Marc says, a ‘combined’ decoder definition could be created for Digitrax decoders fitted with a Sound Bug. ? This is unlike other situations described, using a sound only decoder from one manufacturer with a motor decoder from another.? Many of these combinations often have conflicting CV assignments. ? My 2 cents. ? Ross ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of forfoum@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Digitrax sound decoder ? Interesting question that I have never seen before: combining two decoders into one definition file and subsequently a single roster entry.?
Could be done as these decoder do have a series of shared and not shared CV's.
A custom definition file needs to be built.? Combining Digitrax_SFX.xml with Digitrax_01x3.xml? or portions of both.
There is no JMRI tool to combine two definitions into a single Roster entry.
If this is what your question was about.
Marc
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Keith,
The Layout Editor code is in the midst of major changes. ?The continuing route feature is affected by those changes. ?For now you need to use the xml modification approach.
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] #4-19-6
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 3:00 AM
I found it in my panel file and was able to fix it, but if you could please address this in the next version.
Thanks!
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:36 AM Keith Ruberson via <keithruberson= [email protected]> wrote: Gents,
It appears in JMRI version 4.19.6 that Edit Turnout window does not save the Continuing Route Turnout State when done is selected. I would change it in the xml file if i knew where to look.
Thanks,
Keith Ruberson
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Dennis,
There is no specific "Undo". ?The implied undo is stopping without storing and restarting. ?
Some people use a different file name for each store. ?Others rely on the backupPanels directory which has the previous version from each store. ?I use a mixture.
You don't say what you want to undo. ?Most of the time a "redo" is all that is needed. ?If you decide a left hand turnout should be a right hand, then yes, you need to delete it and add the correct one.
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] Layout Editor Feature Request #layouteditor
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:53 AM
My info is as follows:
Win 10 Pro?Version 1909?
Java 1.8.0_241(en)?
JMRI version 4.19.5ish?
Digitrax PR4 using Com port 3?
Digitrax DCS100 ONLY as a command station?
Digitrax DB150 ONLY as a booster
Layout Editor connection is Digitrax Simulator
This is my first major attempt to get a layout designed before laying too much more track.
I've entered info creating turnouts, track segments, & block tables.
No Results is displayed when I run the various Tools || Check option.
The blocks are in place & the turnouts work when clicking on them.
Sections will mimic blocks BUT not yet entered. ?
I will eventually remember what does what but I've butchered numerous objects on?the?LE grid so I just delete the?object & make a new object.
99 times out of 100 the object is a?TO.
One thing I would really appreciate is a way to "Undo" a mistake.
Or is that capability there & I just have not found it?
Thanks?
Dennis Munro
Berlin, WI
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Furthering Marc’s response: ? My recollection is that the SFX004 ‘Sound Bug’ was specifically designed as an add-on sound decoder for Digitrax motor decoders.? There are ?‘common’ CV’s were both decoders ‘should’ be programmed the same and ‘exclusive’ CV’s, not included in the motor decoder, for sound customization.? ? The SFX004 manual says: ? QUOTE?? The SoundFX? sound CVs in the range of CV140 to CV256 let you customize your decoder without having to reprogram or change the installed sound scheme.? ? Standard decoder CVs in the range of CV01 to CV120 operate the same as fora non-sound FX3Digitrax decoders (they control motor and light functions etc.) CV58 is used as Master Volume, and CV60 is used to select an alternate scheme, if provided in the sound project.? END QUOTE ? This allows programming both decoders simultaneously without using a scheme (decoder lock; separate addresses, etc.) to program only 1 decoder at a time. ? As Marc says, a ‘combined’ decoder definition could be created for Digitrax decoders fitted with a Sound Bug. ? This is unlike other situations described, using a sound only decoder from one manufacturer with a motor decoder from another.? Many of these combinations often have conflicting CV assignments. ? My 2 cents. ? Ross ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of forfoum@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Digitrax sound decoder ? Interesting question that I have never seen before: combining two decoders into one definition file and subsequently a single roster entry.?
Could be done as these decoder do have a series of shared and not shared CV's.
A custom definition file needs to be built.? Combining Digitrax_SFX.xml with Digitrax_01x3.xml? or portions of both.
There is no JMRI tool to combine two definitions into a single Roster entry.
If this is what your question was about.
Marc
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My info is as follows:
Win 10 Pro?Version 1909?
Java 1.8.0_241(en)?
JMRI version 4.19.5ish?
Digitrax PR4 using Com port 3?
Digitrax DCS100 ONLY as a command station?
Digitrax DB150 ONLY as a booster
Layout Editor connection is Digitrax Simulator
This is my first major attempt to get a layout designed before laying too much more track.
I've entered info creating turnouts, track segments, & block tables.
No Results is displayed when I run the various Tools || Check option.
The blocks are in place & the turnouts work when clicking on them.
Sections will mimic blocks BUT not yet entered.
?
I will eventually remember what does what but I've butchered numerous objects on?the?LE grid so I just delete the?object & make a new object.
99 times out of 100 the object is a?TO.
One thing I would really appreciate is a way to "Undo" a mistake.
Or is that capability there & I just have not found it?
Thanks?
Dennis Munro
Berlin, WI
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Howard,
When the PR4 lights alternate Red/Green, that means that the PR4 is in "Ops programming mode". You will need to press the "ops" button to "exit ops mode". This is mentioned in the Digitrax "Knowledge Base" article KB1057, available at .
Regards,
Billybob
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Howard,
In my experience, Rich S's statement that "The Digitrax PR4 will only work on COM Port 3" _IS NOT TRUE_.
My current JMRI configurations on a Windows machine show that I have successfully used PR4 devices at COM7 and COM17, including one JMRI configuration profile where I had set-up two different LocoNet connections, one per PR4.
So far as I know, the whole idea behind a "COM port number" is solely something used by the operating system as a convenient "handle" to allow software to communicate with a "communications hardware" device. The PR4 itself has absolutely no idea of the COM port number the software and operating system use. If the PR4 did require knowledge of that COM port number, then how could it be used with computers running Linux and OSX operating systems, which do NOT identify communications devices via "COM port number"? I have no problems running JMRI with the PR4 under Linux!
Do you have a BDL16, BDL162, or BDL164 board? Will it be used with the Standalone LocoNet? If not, then ignore Russ's message, as it would be irrelevant.
If you do have at least one of those boards, and you will use it on your Standalone LocoNet, then you will need to configure exactly ONE BDL16x board for those settings. The settings can be made using a LocoNet throttle plugged directly into the LocoNet jack of a powered-up BDL16x board, by following the directions for configuring OpSw settings in the BDL16x manual. If you do not have a LocoNet throttle, then I think you are "out of luck" for programming the BDL16x to those settings until you come up with an alternate solution for both "LocoNet Data Signal Termination" and "power on the RailSync" wires (as described in the web page I previously linked).
Regards,
Billybob
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