Bob P, On 2 Jan 2020, at 5:10 AM, Bob P <comm4rgp@...> wrote:
If you can¡¯t copy and paste it (which would be a Windows issue, not a JMRI one), then try typing it in.<<<<
Tried typing out the entire URL, but then Decoder Pro indicated this was not a valid xml file. I believe this is a repost of an earlier thread where you were attempting to get an old JMRI Version to accept a recent LokSound definition file. Your answer is in the Decoder Pro message; this definition uses XML constructs or fragment file inclusions that are not available to your old JMRI version. Dave in Australia
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Marc, On 2 Jan 2020, at 5:45 AM, forfoum@... wrote:
Since you have the cable use the D2XXX drivers (2.12.28) from this link :
The D2XX drivers are absolutely useless as far as JMRI is concerned - they communicate via a Windows DLL. JMRI needs a Virtual COM Port. Bruce, you need the VCP drivers from: <> Dave in Australia
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Inobu,
I've taken a look at the whole thread and now see things that have been buried beneath your speculation about the way NCE USB communications work. Four things stand out to me:
1) A complete absence of JMRI system log transcripts from either you or Larry. We need to see those in both the working and non-working cases.
2) An "Unable to connect on ttyxxxx" message is not pointing to an NCE communications issue but an operating system level issue with the USB port, unrelated to the way NCE does communications.
3) The statements "You only have to do this on the initial install", "(Leave the Power Cab unconnected)" and "Start JMRI Panel Pro. (It will try to configure itself and you will have to change some settings.)". This could point towards some issue in what I understand to be an auto-configuration script in Steve's RPi distributions.
4) A total lack of reporting of the behaviour of two important NCE USB status indicators; the USB and CAB indicator LEDs. These provide vital troubleshooting information to both Ken and I, particularly when accompanied by system logs.
We need to put aside your speculation about how NCE communications work, your speculation that "This seems to be an inherent problem with the Power Cab as well", any suggestion that users should adopt your quite clumsy "workaround" as the solution and you, me, Ken and Steve work cooperatively to solve this problem properly.
Inobu, the ball is in your court to provide logs of both the non-working and working cases, along with accompanying information about the NCE Status LEDs' behaviour. You have the hardware and knowledge to perform these tests so please help us solve this cooperatively.
Larry, if you can provide any logs as well, they'd be much appreciated.
Dave in Australia
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Hi
I forgot to? change in? in the "dispatcher? options " frame to use " Signal Masts / SML "??
Thanks for help Doron?
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Since you have the cable use the D2XXX drivers (2.12.28)? from this link :
https://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX.htm
The FTDI install instructions, Win10 :
Try it, what do you have too lose at this point
Marc
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On our very large Central Vermont in NorCal we have staging at each end, with classification yards near the endpoints of the railroad.? A few of our trains originate in staging and then run though, doing work along the way.? Some trains go from staging directly into classification.? We've been using JMRI Ops since day 1, and we're still tweaking it to accomplish realistic car movement to and from our industries. It works superbly, and our tweaks originate from frequently-updated understandings of a particular industry spot or a specific car's routing.
Yes, car order has been a big issue, both re the trains coming from staging and the cars sitting on tracks in the yard.? Our purists want J to track the physical location of cars in a cut, whether they're on a yard track or in staging.? I agree with many on this topic that tracking physical order isn't possible, given the discipline of boomer and local crews.? The purists, tho, are still walking the yard frequently and hand-writing switch lists.
We've come to a compromise re car order. We recognize that trains going into staging aren't blocked, based on the "lift" order of who worked the train. That doesn't matter, because when the train leaves staging most of the cars will have a different load and destination.? J will produce a new manifest for trains leaving staging that lists those cars blocked by destination.? So what we as a team on the CV have agreed to do is to fiddle the train before it leaves staging so that the cars in the train are in manifest order.? Yes, a pain, but our boomer crews have an easier time understanding what's going on.? And yes, we run 25-car trains.
My personal view is that blocking a train which leaves staging and then goes straight into classification is a waste of time.
At least I've finally gotten our team to agree to let J place cars into the yard based on the classification definitions.? Again, they were doing it manually, painfully in my humble opinion.
Jon
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Bob P wrote: What do you mean by "I cannot paste (the url) into the "Import URL" option in
¶Ù±Ê¡±?
When one clicks on the Import URL command, a dialog box opens - In another
active window I have the specific xml file open, so I copy the URL line from
that window, then attempt to paste into the dialog box that is open in Decoder
Pro. When I right click the mouse, there is no ability to select a "Paste" or
anything else, to insert.
Bob P
Tried using Windows 10 and JMRI 4.19.1 and do not see that issue. Right click gives "paste" option. -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association -
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What do you mean by "I cannot paste (the url) into the "Import URL" option in ¶Ù±Ê¡±?
When one clicks on the Import URL command, a dialog box opens - In another active window I have the specific xml file open, so I copy the URL line from that window, then attempt to paste into the dialog box that is open in Decoder Pro. When I right click the mouse, there is no ability to select a "Paste" or anything else, to insert.
If you select ¡°Import Decoder URL¡¡±, it shows a dialog with a place to enter text labeled ¡°URL to import:". That¡¯s where you should put the URL you want to download, i.e.
If you can¡¯t copy and paste it (which would be a Windows issue, not a JMRI one), then try typing it in.<<<<
Tried typing out the entire URL, but then Decoder Pro indicated this was not a valid xml file.
Bob P
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I am familiar with your warning recommendations, but have not had a problem when doing this in the last year, but unsuccessful getting the xml file now. I hoped to avoid a full upgrading. Been using JMRI for a more than 10 years, but I don't do this every day. I just changed DCC systems and have everything working fine at this point. (If not broke - don't fix it). I have run into issues before when upgrading. I still use an old laptop running Win XP that is dedicated to programming locomotives only. I have problems with updating Java and other things, so that is why I was hoping someone could just explain why one cannot simply download the one file from the JMRI website. I'd like to try this and if I have problems, I can always undertake the challenge of upgrading the whole program.
Bob P
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Test version 4.19.1 of JMRI/DecoderPro is available for download
Happy New Year!
Test version 4.19.1 of JMRI/DecoderPro is available for download.
This is the first in a series of test releases that will culminate in a production release, hopefully in early Summer 2020.
There have been a lot of updates in this version, so it should be considered experimental.
If you are currently using an older version of JMRI, particularly if it¡¯s earlier than JMRI 4.16, there¡¯s a sequence of updates that will reduce the chance of problems. They¡¯re described at the front of the release note:
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For more information on the issues, new features and bug fixes in 4.19.1 please see the release note:
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Note that JMRI is made available under the GNU General Public License. For more information, please see our copyright and licensing page.
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The download links, along with lots of other information which we hope you'll read, can be found on the release note page:
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Bob
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The one before last. "Y is the penultimate letter of the alphabet"
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Thanks for try to help . download your file? and? try to run it . Maybe I miss some thing? in understanding? ?but I got the same error? "Found 8 errors when checking/setting direction Sensors in signal? logic? for this Transit. Check Console log for details."? when I press "Create " button? ?in "activate new? train? " frame? Since I? ? ?have some knowledge in software I? tried to? run the JMRI under? NB environment? ,? 1) the error is defined as error 36 in "DispatcherBundle.properties" 2) in DipatcherFrame.java method?createActiveTrain? ? ? ? " if (getSignalType() == SIGNALHEAD) {
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? numErrors = t.checkSignals(_LE);
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? if (numErrors == 0) {
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? t.initializeBlockingSensors();
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? }
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? if (numErrors != 0) {
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? if (showErrorMessages) {
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(frame, java.text.MessageFormat.format(Bundle.getMessage(
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "Error36"), new Object[]{("" + numErrors)}),
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Bundle.getMessage("ErrorTitle"), JOptionPane.ERROR_MESSAGE);
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? }
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? return null;
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? }
? ? ? ? ? ? } "
?there i see the problem?
? ?I did not? dive deeper? because i am not sure i go to the right path?
Do i have to do something other then try to use your? xml file so it will work?
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Your JMRI version is really old and a lot of changes have been made. Chances are the definition will not work because of those changes or missing parts not downloaded. See the warning on the page you linked
My recommendation is to update the JMRI 4.18 to get all the new definitions along with everything needed to use them.
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Peter Ulvestad
JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( )
Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( )
Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( )
Edmonton Model Railroad Association -
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What do you mean by "I cannot paste (the url) into the "Import URL" option in ¶Ù±Ê¡±? If you select ¡°Import Decoder URL¡¡±, it shows a dialog with a place to enter text labeled ¡°URL to import:". That¡¯s where you should put the URL you want to download, i.e. If you can¡¯t copy and paste it (which would be a Windows issue, not a JMRI one), then try typing it in. Bob On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Bob P <comm4rgp@...> wrote:
I have done this before, but nothing seems to work now. How do I download one decoder definition .xml file from:
No where on the page that leads you there () does it state how to copy, save as, etc. an xml file to your computer. When I click on the file it opens, but when I copy the url, first, I cannot paste it into the "Import URL" option in DP, nor can I "Save As". I tried copying selected text and pasted into MS Word, then renamed as an xml file, but DP then reports that it is not a valid xml file. Why so complicated?
Honestly, I'd rather not update the whole JMRI/DP program please.
Running DP 4.10.Rxxxx
Windows
Bob P -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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I have done this before, but nothing seems to work now. How do I download one decoder definition .xml file from:
No where on the page that leads you there () does it state how to copy, save as, etc. an xml file to your computer. When I click on the file it opens, but when I copy the url, first, I cannot paste it into the "Import URL" option in DP, nor can I "Save As". I tried copying selected text and pasted into MS Word, then renamed as an xml file, but DP then reports that it is not a valid xml file. Why so complicated?
Honestly, I'd rather not update the whole JMRI/DP program please.
Running DP 4.10.Rxxxx
Windows
Bob P
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Hi steve
I have also added a couple of images in the photo section.? one is of the panel as shown in panel editor, the other is as shown in WiThrottle on the I-pad.
Brian
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I got my Tripplet Keyspsn adapter thru Amazon, Bruce with Prime delivery. They work great
Dave
In PA
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On Jan 1, 2020, at 10:33, burrettmd <burrett@...> wrote:
?Thanks, it wasn¡¯t so much the bargain but the speed in which Amazon could get me the cable. Lack of patience, turns out, probably gonna cost me more time. Bruce in Mt. airy MD
On Jan 1, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Dave Heap <dgheap@...> wrote:
Bruce,
On 1 Jan 2020, at 11:15 AM, burrettmd <burrett@...> wrote: Cable driver help needed! so I went out and bought myself a USB to RS 232 serial cable advertised as with FTDI chipset. When I received the cable, The specifications sheet does not list FTDIE but says the chipset is an FT 232 and ZT213. It also came with a driver disc, which my laptop does not have a CD at all so is Not usable.
That's exactly why I recommend spending ~$30 on buying an ESU or RRCirKits supplied genuine FTDI cable rather than buying a "bargain".
Dave in Australia
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One thing, as a newbie, I'm learning, is that when learning JMRI, I run multiple sessions?over and over in minutes to see how actions work, what goes where, how cars flow etc. But in practice, if you operate the physical layout, once a month, and a car is called once every 6th time or even 12th time for an industry, that's only once or twice a calendar year. Which I think is the end goal at some level to see something only show up rarely.?
And, if you have say 4 schedules for an industry, with percentages, you'll see the lower ones used less often, which is the goal, but eventually, it does get called.?
Just tons of options. Curious which option works?best for you.?
Mike O'Neill Parker, CO
My current thinking is to create two of the same location. Each with a different car, Put both locations in the build but only activate the one I want to use for the build. I have not tried this so I cannot say it works
Jerry Hampton
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Hi Steve
The panel was created with Panel Editor.
It seems weird that it is only turnouts with more than two roads that are affected.
I have uploaded a copy of the xml file into the files area.? The file is named Ordsall park rd mk2
regards
Brian
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My current thinking is to create two of the same location. Each with a different car, Put both locations in the build but only activate the one I want to use for the build. I have not tried this so I cannot say it works
Jerry Hampton
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Peter Ulvestad
Bob Jacobsen