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Re: Help with panels
Nick
Dave, Thanks for the info. I am currently working on a friend's panel to create a CTC panel . He has a retired PRR/CR/NS dispatcher that doesn't care for the "unrealistic" appearance of the graphic panel. Since I've never truly worked with Logix and this is a learning experience, the CTC tool should come in handy (I hope). The panel was not created in Layout Editor so I hope the CTC tool will work with the Panel Editor. If not, I've experimented using Bob Bucklew's clinic as a guide and I have had good results creating multi-sensor levers using Logix. One small step at a time. With this group, I am always learning. Thanks, Nick Kulp "I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals" - Nick Kulp
On Monday, September 2, 2019, 03:39:05 PM EDT, Dave Sand <ds@...> wrote:
Nick. Sorry, I was not as clear as I should have been.? The track diagram is drawn with the Layout Editor track components such as turnouts, track segments, end bumpers, anchor points, etc.? On my demo panel, I formatted the track lines to LOOK like Panel Editor track icons by setting the width and color.? The ¡°gaps" are hidden track segments.? The track plan is logically consistent and supports signal masts and signal mast logic. The background panels, levers and indicators are standard JMRI icons which can be used by any of the editors. The CTC logic is provided by the new CTC tool that was added to JMRI at 4.16.? It eliminates the need to create Logix or scripts.? A table of control points is created which defines the CTC rules and generates the internal sensors for levers and indicators. Dave Sand=- |
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Thanks Roger and others,
I was able to get my screen working with the waveshare driver. Still need to calibrate the touchscreen but that is just me getting off my butt to do it. If time permits tomorrow, I might have it running the signals for the clubs op session tomorrow night. -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - |
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Re: Panel Pro Runs with Errors
Peter Rushworth
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your answers and corrections. I admit the panel was built back in the early 90¡¯s and apart from the long loading time seemed to work fine. Particularly where I use transponding in the lower level. I am off out this morning to assist another DCC Digitrax user build his layout. Regards Peter |
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OpenLCB - Lights - using 7.14.4ish - failed
Steve,
Found problem( ? ) - The program cannot handle - no time - entries for addresses. I do this when the Lights crew is going to give me the on-off times later. I'm going to take these out and test. I expect it will work. However, the dialog boxes allow no time entries for lcb addresses as below. Tim A. <systemName>ML02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.62;02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.63</systemName> ?????????? <userName>TDL-I3 L-9</userName> ?????? </light> ?????? <light minIntensity="0.0" maxIntensity="1.0" transitionTime="0.0"> <systemName>ML02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.6E;02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.6F</systemName> ?????????? <userName>TDL-I3 L-10</userName> ?????? </light> ?????? <light minIntensity="0.0" maxIntensity="1.0" transitionTime="0.0"> <systemName>ML02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.7A;02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.7B</systemName> ?????????? <userName>TDL-I3 L-11</userName> ?????? </light> ?????? <light minIntensity="0.0" maxIntensity="1.0" transitionTime="0.0"> <systemName>ML02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.86;02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.87</systemName> ?????????? <userName>TDL-I3 L-12</userName> ?????? </light> ?????? <light minIntensity="0.0" maxIntensity="1.0" transitionTime="0.0"> <systemName>ML02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.92;02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.93</systemName> ?????????? <userName>TDL-I3 L-13</userName> ?????? </light> ?????? <light minIntensity="0.0" maxIntensity="1.0" transitionTime="0.0"> <systemName>ML02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.9E;02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.9F</systemName> ?????????? <userName>TDL-I3 L-14</userName> ?????? </light> ?????? <light minIntensity="0.0" maxIntensity="1.0" transitionTime="0.0"> <systemName>ML02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.AA;02.01.57.00.01.5E.00.AB</systemName> ?????????? <userName>TDL-I3 L-15</userName> ?????? </light> |
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Re: Does the order of elements in JMRI's panel files matter to you?
I don't know if it applies to panel files, but in general please try to
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keep files the same if they stay the same. Makes working with version control systems so much easier if you can find the changes and don't have to sift through a hundred unrelated ordering changes to find a single actual change. Second best option would be a single big change once, worst would be random order, changing on every save. As I started this eMail, I don't know if this applies to panel files, aka if anyone actually uses git/svn/choose your pick to work with them. Just my two cents (€), Heiko On 9/2/19 9:19 PM, whmvd wrote:
Whenever I had to do with xml design, I made very certain that any --
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Re: Help with panels
Nick.
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Sorry, I was not as clear as I should have been. The track diagram is drawn with the Layout Editor track components such as turnouts, track segments, end bumpers, anchor points, etc. On my demo panel, I formatted the track lines to LOOK like Panel Editor track icons by setting the width and color. The ¡°gaps" are hidden track segments. The track plan is logically consistent and supports signal masts and signal mast logic. The background panels, levers and indicators are standard JMRI icons which can be used by any of the editors. The CTC logic is provided by the new CTC tool that was added to JMRI at 4.16. It eliminates the need to create Logix or scripts. A table of control points is created which defines the CTC rules and generates the internal sensors for levers and indicators. Dave Sand On Sep 2, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Nick via Groups.Io <cornwall9@...> wrote: |
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Re: OpenLCB - Lights - using 7.14.4ish - failed
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSteve, ?????? Seemed to work at home. I started installing at the club and after some edits of adding and changing it failed. This is the LCB Traffic Monitor snipet. It repeats.
Posting xml shortly.
Tim
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Re: Does the order of elements in JMRI's panel files matter to you?
Whenever I had to do with xml design, I made very certain that any required ordering was enforced in the xml content, and not in the order the xml happened to be in. Which means that there were attributes like 'sequence_no=<integer>' in there. I still think that's the preferred option. It makes the whole thing a lot robuster when anyone decides to use an external tool that - rightly or wrongly, though I think rightly - does not care about element ordering (xml by itself is unordered). Explicit ordering is the way to go! A new release introducing those attributes could easily be made to read the input in file-order and create the new attributes on the fly. Wouter On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:03, Bob Jacobsen <rgj1927@...> wrote: I think I¡¯ll wait a few more days before deciding that nobody needs that order to be preserved, just in case people are staying off email over the long weekend in the US. (Which is probably a good idea!) |
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Re: Virtual Sound Decoder - Clicks on looped sound files
I looked at the EMD645 file again. ( By the way this file can be downloaded at ).
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I left the setting points unchanged, due to lack of experience. When I loop the notch2 file (D1.wav) with Audacity, there is no click. So, where does the click come from? VSD cuts each notch file into small pieces, which allows a faster reaction to throttle changes. The last piece of D1.wav is conspicuously short and, I think, causes the click. Then I shortened the notch2 file a bit, created the VSD file EMD_645_Turbo2.vsd and uploaded it to /g/jmriusers/files/VSD . Now I can hear to two different noises, but they are also in the original D1.wav. Regards, Klaus Am 02.09.2019 um 16:02 schrieb conradandrose: You are correct, I do have a click in notch 2.? my mod consisted of making a separate EMD645 file by removing all the other locos and changing the notch setting points to 10, 20, 30 & 100.? My note says it "works perfectly" but it does have the click at notch 2.? I also now see that the original notched at different points when accelerating and decelerating.? I don't know if what I did is prototypical. |
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Re: Signal masts and two heads
Martin,
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It sounds to me that you have a block boundary issue. You wrote ¡°both inputs¡±, a turnout normally has 3. One for the points end and one each for the straight and diverging legs. Keep in mind that the signal masts at a turnout protect the turnout along with any subsequent track segments up to the next signal mast. The points end input will not exist if you include a track segment at the points end with the same block name as the turnout itself. In order to fully signal a turnout, the turnout has its own block and the 3 connecting tracks each have their own block. Dave Sand On Sep 2, 2019, at 1:15 PM, mabooker76 <mabooker76@...> wrote: |
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Re: SSL heads fail to set properly after start .... JMRI 4.17.3
When you first start JMRI, what status are all the sensors?? I'm suspecting that they are 'unknown', so all the signals are red as they fail-safe? worst case, to occupied.? If this is your case, there's a script named something like SetAllUnknownSensorsToUnoccuppied? that you can run ( a few times) to set them to unoccuppied On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 12:05 AM Roger Merritt <merritt_roger@...> wrote: Looked at the Raspberry pi JMRI with that script of mine trying to get that script to run.? Got a system error saying it didnt like line 23 of InitLayout.py.? Reads "minPPwindow() |
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Re: Complete Raspberry PI source question
Don Cummings
Thanks to all for the suggestions. I Will give them a try and report back. Don On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:07 AM Steve Spence <greentrust@...> wrote:
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Re: Does the order of elements in JMRI's panel files matter to you?
I think I¡¯ll wait a few more days before deciding that nobody needs that order to be preserved, just in case people are staying off email over the long weekend in the US. (Which is probably a good idea!)
Bob On Sep 2, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Peter Ulvestad <ulvestad@...> wrote:-- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@... |
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Re: Signal masts and two heads
Martin
You just need to add the double head mast at the entry to the turnout, and you can add two signalmast logic pairs from that mast to the next signals along. The logic will know which aspect to display from the turnout position, track speeds (both block and turnout) and aspect of the next signal. Suzie x |
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Re: NCE and error code 306
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýErrol, Which version of JMRI? Dick :) On 9/2/2019 11:28 AM, Errol Spangler
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I recently installed JMRI on my laptop running Windows 7.? I was able to upload the roster from my main computer to the laptop no problem.? But I am unable to do any programming from the laptop, I keep getting error coode 306. |
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Re: Does the order of elements in JMRI's panel files matter to you?
I don't really care.
You can take the lack of response as either people don't care or it's the long weekend and few are watching emails or the list website. -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - |
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Re: Help with panels
Nick
Thanks Dave, My limited understanding of Layout editor shows. I was under the uninformed impression that layout editor required interconnections of the various icons to form links between components with specific requirements in their use to build detection blocks, signals, turnout controls that would assist in creating logic for signals, routes and train control. Where Panel Editor has no :requirements" involved with adding graphic icons that need no "real" connections to connected hardware unless it represented something like a turnout, sensor, or signal that could be added with no necessary connections to other items while using , for example, SSL for a single signal. Is my understanding incorrect ? Nick "I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals" - Nick Kulp Nick, Separate panels are no longer required.? Layout Editor can use all of the same panel, lever and indicator icons as Panel Editor and provide the track connectivity.? See /g/jmriusers/photo/79886/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0 Dave Sand > On Sep 2, 2019, at 12:17 PM, Nick via Groups.Io <cornwall9=[email protected]> wrote: > > Wayne, > > There are some good videos on Youtube but you might get more from using one of the step-by-step clinics. They have links one the JMRI website or rr-cirkits,com also has his clinics on his website. > > You didn't say what you wanted to do . The videos on Youtube show specific things like using LCC equipment , Or Arduinos for multiple tasks .Simply looking for PanelPro videos will get pretty frustrating without a specific search. > > There are several types of panels you can create. > Layout Editor will provide the tools to create a trackplan of your layout with all the loops, crossovers, power/occupancy blocks, and is basically and "overhead" view of your layout. > > Panel Editor will create a "graphic" panel in virtually any method you like using icons in partnership with your hardware BUT, the items are not "linked" together to follow certain "rules" of inter connectivity that Layout Editor requires, nor are you bound by the logic it uses in relationship to operating your layout. > > You can also create a panel using both types of editors . One to show the train status on the "layout", the other to represent a US&S CTC panel that functions just like the prototype. > > Are you currently using DecoderPro ? > What DCC system are you using ? > What type of hardware are you going to use to interact with the panel? > What do you want your panel to do ? Signaling, Automatic train control ? Control yard routes for classification yards ? Provide realistic CTC , ABS, APB signaling ? > > I made the very first clinic on creating a panel for my Cornwall Railroad around 2002, and the basics are very true. > > To truly help you, Some very basic information is needed. I have copied the "how to ask questions" instructions below to provide some guidance. > > I can help IF you are using Windows on a PC. > > I still need the information to help you though. > > Regards, > Nick Kulp > > > =============================================================================== > One of the most common questions about JMRI is "How do I get it to work?". This > isn't really a problem with JMRI itself in most cases, but there are HUGE > numbers of possible configurations for DCC systems, and Windows, Linux, and Mac > computers out there. Just asking "How do I get it to work" is NOT going to > get you any useful help. > > When asking ANY question, you should utilize a meaningful subject line that indicates > the problem and include the following information in the body of the message: > > + If JMRI has started copy and paste the System Console into the body. (its under help on the start screen) > + Has JMRI worked before on this computer? > + Computer make and model >? + if you have just upgraded, from? which version > + Any other DCC devices in use > + Specific details of your difficulty including error messages if any, or what you would >? ? like to do with JMRI. Decoder Programming, Signals, Automation, etc. > > Depending on the nature of the problem, you may need to supply even more > information, but this is the absolute required for anyone to give you > accurate answers. > > Signing you post helps keep the group friendly and personable! > > Your moderators and trouble shooters. > > > "I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals" > > - Nick Kulp > > > > On Monday, September 2, 2019, 09:17:55 AM EDT, Wayne via Groups.Io <rwsnyder2002=[email protected]> wrote: > > > Guys, > > New to Panel Pro, are there any videos on how to use Panel Pro? I¡¯m having a hell of a time getting one setup. > > Wayne Snyder > |
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Signal masts and two heads
if you use a single mast at a switch that has both continuing and diverging (two heads) how do you tell the ¡®add at turnout¡¯ right click to use it? ?Seems you cannot use the same mast in both inputs. ?So I have had to make two masts and then ¡®layer¡¯ them on the panel and supply both rules to the next mast downstream, i.e. logic for the mainline route (turnout closed and no occupancy) and turnout thrown and no occupancy for the siding. ?The high double mast has all the aspects needed.
There is something in the signal mast pdf instructions that talks about this situation but I am not sure what it specifically means and I have a lot of ?Tomar¡¯s and Signalman¡¯s to set up. Unless it all has to be done manually? :>( Also trying to get only a stop and approach aspect out of a mast? Thanks, Martin Booker pmrrm.org |
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NCE and error code 306
I recently installed JMRI on my laptop running Windows 7.? I was able to upload the roster from my main computer to the laptop no problem.? But I am unable to do any programming from the laptop, I keep getting error coode 306.
I am using a USB to RS232 cable using USB Com port 9 running at 9600 baud.? Also, I notice that when I attempt to program on the main the system automatically switches back to program track. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. |
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Re: Help with panels
Nick,
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Separate panels are no longer required. Layout Editor can use all of the same panel, lever and indicator icons as Panel Editor and provide the track connectivity. See /g/jmriusers/photo/79886/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0 Dave Sand On Sep 2, 2019, at 12:17 PM, Nick via Groups.Io <cornwall9@...> wrote: |
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