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Re: Versions 4.16 & 4.17
One thing to add. If the roster.xml file and the locoxxx.xml and images are supposed to be in two separate locations, then the <>???is incorrect. According to it, they should be in the same directory. "Roster Location (portable name = "roster:")This location contains:
- Your "roster" folder. This contains:
- An XML file for each loco entry in your roster, with stored CV values, etc.
- ".bak" files, which are backup versions of entries in your roster.
- A "consist" folder, which stores information on consists you have created using the Consist tools in JMRI.
- A "roster.xml" file, which is a (recreatable) index of the XML files in the "roster" folder. You should create/recreate "roster.xml" (Actions->Recreate Roster Index) if it is missing or you are experiencing roster problems.
- Copies of media files you have added to roster entries, throttles etc.?
(Older JMRI versions stored roster images in a "resources" folder in the User Files Location. If you have been using JMRI for a long time, you may have roster images in both locations.)
By default the Roster Location is the same as (and follows) the User Files location unless you explicitly set a different location.
You are free to change the Roster Location as you like (Preferences->Roster->Roster->Location Set/Reset). The Reset button causes the Roster Location to again follow the User Files location."
-- Mike Heintzman
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Roger,
Stopping is based on block length vs. train length, and whether or not you have resistor wheel sets checked. Or there's different logic if you have a speed profile for that loco.
What are those values in your situation? Are they accurate?
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Dave and all, The Roster directory, which is where Roster Location currently points to,? indeed contains the roster.xml file, the Locoxxx.xml files, and the image files. Dave, it also has a nested Roster directory in it which also contains all of the Locoxxx.xml files and image files. Curiously, it also contains a Consist directory which contains a Consist.xml file. I was fiddling with the Consist Tool on July 25 and that's the date on both the directory and Consis.xml file. I didn't create them so it must have been done by the software and put here for some reason. I didn't create either of the nested Roster or Consist directory, at least on purpose. What I propose to do is move the roster.xml file out of the Roster directory and into the User Files area and repoint the Roster Location Setting to this new location.? Below is the file structure requested. Thanks for the help and I'll let you know.
User Files Location: C:\Users\Mary\OneDrive\P&PU\JMRI\JMRI\
Roster Location: C:\Users\Mary\OneDrive\P&PU\JMRI\JMRI\Roster\
Profile Location: C:\Users\Mary\OneDrive\P&PU\JMRI\JMRI\No_decoder\
Settings Location: C:\Users\Mary\JMRI\
Current Config file:C:\Users\Mary\OneDrive\P&PU\JMRI\JMRI\No_decoder\ProfileConfig.xml
Scripts Location: C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\jython\
Program Location: C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI
Temp Files Location:C:\Users\Mary\AppData\Local\Temp\
Log Files Location: C:\Users\Mary\JMRI\log\
? C:\Users\Mary\JMRI\log\messages.log
? C:\Users\Mary\JMRI\log\messages.log.1
? C:\Users\Mary\JMRI\log\messages.log.2
? C:\Users\Mary\JMRI\log\session.log
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-- Mike Heintzman ¡°Nae problemo!¡± was the last thing he said.
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Pausing in a section JMRI ver 4.15.9
All,
JMRI ver 4.15.9
Windows 10
Dispatcher using Auto run
? ? Having a problem getting a train to stop in a section that has two blocks.? I want it to stop in first block, but the different settings has it stopping in second block or past the section.? Crazy.
? ? Is this an old problem that has not been resolved.? Or this a situation where the pause action only works with single block sections?
Roger
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Re: Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?
Nigel, A lot of the constraints in Layout Editor no longer exist. There are have been a lot of changes in the last couple of years. Here is a CTC panel created using Layout Editor: /g/jmriusers/photo/79886/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0 Dave Sand
On Aug 2, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Nigel Cliffe <nigel.cliffe@...> wrote:
Yes, that¡¯s the ¡°layout editor¡±.
The ¡°Layout Editor¡± was, originally, for setting up the logical connection of track, turnouts, signals, blocks, etc.. In being a logical editor, which understood track connectedness (hence the red/green squares), it could automatically add rules, such as signals changing aspect based on turnout direction, or track occupancy.
It is used by many as a method to directly control their model, but it has some constraints.
The ¡°Panel Editor¡± (and its close brother the ¡°Control Panel Editor¡±) provide full graphical control over a panel, you can put whatever you want on a panel, any number of times. All the graphical elements can be replaced with your own if you wish. But any rules about how two items (eg. a turnout and a signal) relate to each other have to be described elsewhere.
It is legitimate (and sometimes very sensible) to use both; the layout editor to setup all the rules for signalling and track, and the panel editor to produce the actual panels to be used by operators.
- Nigel
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Sent: 02 August 2019 10:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?
When I have been adding new track or turnout icons to my panel, the red boxes on the ends of the icons turn green when they are connected together, does that help determine which editor I am using?
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Re: DecoderPro &ESU LokSound Factory reset
OK DAVE, I will do it. ?THANK YOU AGAIN....I switched from Paged Mode to Direct mode. ?(Yes, much, much faster). ?Next, I placed the Atlas locomotive on the program track. ?I then used "Read Type from Decoder" and DecoderPro identified the manufacturer as ESU...however DecoderPro then highlighted about 80 % of the listed Decoder types. ?So I chose "LokSound Select OEM" and then used READ Full Sheets on the CV pane and all seemed to work just fine except the horn. ? ?It does not work when I push the Botton. On all previous attempts I used "LokSound Select"....and the horn worked.
?I am using the Digitrax system with a Windows computer and the very latest (4.17.3) JMRI. ? I have searched thru the DecoderPro options and cannot determine what needs to be done to make the horn work. ?I would really appreciate your help with this problem. ?I really like those Atlas GP-7 locomotives. ?
I purchased this locomotive as a new unused locomotive but I noticed the attached paperwork refers to a "Quick Start Guide Version 1.7. ?20 November 2013.
?THANK YOU.....Frank
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Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer
Ross:
If the driver installs but you don't see the com show up in the device manager list then port cable or the LocoBuffer... Yes... different to be sure...
And a big yes, Dick (and Karen) are good folks and friends...
Jim
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Re: Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?
Yes, that¡¯s the ¡°layout editor¡±.??
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The ¡°Layout Editor¡± was, originally, for setting up the logical connection of track, turnouts, signals, blocks, etc..? In being a logical editor, which understood
track connectedness (hence the red/green squares), it could automatically add rules, such as signals changing aspect based on turnout direction, or track occupancy. ???
It is used by many as a method to directly control their model, but it has some constraints.?
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The ¡°Panel Editor¡± (and its close brother the ¡°Control Panel Editor¡±) provide full graphical control over a panel, you can put whatever you want on a panel,
any number of times.? All the graphical elements can be replaced with your own if you wish.? But any rules about how two items (eg. a turnout and a signal) relate to each other have to be described elsewhere.?
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It is legitimate (and sometimes very sensible) to use both; the layout editor to setup all the rules for signalling and track, and the panel editor to produce
the actual panels to be used by operators.?
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Nigel
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Sent: 02 August 2019 10:40
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?
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When I have been adding new track or turnout icons to my panel, the red boxes on the ends of the icons turn green when they are connected together, does that help determine which editor I am using?
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Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer
Jim,
Thank you for your thoughts.
Checking the BIOS settings is a good hint. Hadn't thought of this angle.
All indications from Device Manager are that the drivers are properly installed and operating; no indication of any 'mystery device.' I'd checked this before calling Dick and again with Dick. Also checked after re-installing the drivers.
I'm confident the '3rd party' Dick has on the RR-CirKits web site didn't leave a 'stuck driver.' Dick uses this for the more common situation of a user not fully installing the drivers. We used it here as a 'last-ditch' effort just in case; we were already quite certain I'd correctly installed the drivers (as I've done many times for both myself and others.)
Dick's customer service is 'over-the-top,' amongst the best I've seen in any business. He and I are both baffled by this; something we've never seen. We both hope to learn something that will help others.
Ross
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of jimalbanowski Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 7:29 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer Ross: Some PC have switches to enable/disable USB ports in their "BIOS" checking that might be the first place to start. Have you used device manager to look for the created com port when the LocoBuffer is plugged in? Access from either files then this PC and properties or the windows menus windows system this PC properties... If the drivers loaded correctly you also should have seen the new hardware detected and then ready to use notifications when the LocoBuffer was plugged it. Not sure about Dick's removal tool catching it but there could be a stuck driver for the LocoBuffer, again device manager is the best tool possibly showing either a com with broken driver or a mystery device with the yellow triangle/!... Jim Albanowski
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Dave,
So since it held it as a plain string, the normal bean name change
notification misses this. I wonder if there are other holes like this? I can
understand some cases where one line scripts are used as actions in Logix,
those would be strings and no way for code to know about them.
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org
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Re: restoring sensors and blocks
Thomas,
Have you tried to talk to the TD boards? I presume you have roster entries
from programming them? So do they respond? On the main page of the config
for each board is an option that sets if the board should respond to the
GPON. If those are set, you should see all of the sensors and turnouts after
the startup. Since it is a standalone LocoNet, you may need to manually
trigger that. It's been a long time and I don't recall the right trick right
now.
But if you can't talk to the boards with ops mode programming, that's a clue
they could be dead.
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org
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Re: DecoderPro &ESU LokSound Factory reset
On 2 Aug 2019, at 8:04 PM, Frank in Houston < upitrr@...> wrote: Question please. ?Since I already selected the model of the decoder for this new Atlas GP-7 (I used ¡°LokSound Select¡±) from the listing of available ESU decoders AND downloaded all of the CV¡¯s from this new locomotive using ¡°LokSound Select¡±, (it took about two hours)¡. IS it to late to use NEW LOCO¡ª>READ TYPE from Decoder and start all over again? ?(Then again download all CV¡¯s from the locomotive?)?
It's never too late to get it right. You need to start again. Don't use Paged Mode (despite bad such advice on some OEM data sheets). If your system supports it, use Direct Mode. The difference in speed is great. Two hours indicates you used Paged Mode.
?I am sure some CV¡¯s used by the locomotive were missed by ¡°LokSound Select¡± as the Atlas instructions that came with the locomotive suggested changing some CV¡¯s which I could not find using ¡°LokSound Select¡±.
There are at least three vastly different families of ESU decoder in recent OEM models; V4/Select, Essential Sound Unit and V5.
While some CVs are in common many hundreds are not.
You MUST use Read Type From Decoder to get it right. And don't use Paged Mode. Some systems will fail trying to read these decoders correctly in Paged Mode.
Dave in Australia
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Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer
Ross:
Some PC have switches to enable/disable USB ports in their "BIOS" checking that might be the first place to start.
Have you used device manager to look for the created com port when the LocoBuffer is plugged in? Access from either files then this PC and properties or the windows menus windows system this PC properties...
If the drivers loaded correctly you also should have seen the new hardware detected and then ready to use notifications when the LocoBuffer was plugged it.
Not sure about Dick's removal tool catching it but there could be a stuck driver for the LocoBuffer, again device manager is the best tool possibly showing either a com with broken driver or a mystery device with the yellow triangle/!...
Jim Albanowski
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Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer
Wouter,
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Thank you for your thought.
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I¡¯d checked several ports with a wireless keyboard/mouse.? I also used a flash drive while loading software. ??I will further check with some other devices.
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Ross
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer
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This might be kicking in an already open door, but: have you tested that the new computer's USB ports are actually working, say, with an external USB harddisk or some such? In you saga, that's the one thing I've not seen.
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I¡¯ve hit a road block establishing communication between JMRI and a Digitrax DCS100 using a LocoBuffer-USB interface.? This is a new installation in a computer replacing a recently
failed unit.?
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After extensive trouble shooting, including a lengthy telephone trouble shooting consultation with Dick Bronson (RR-CirKits), I believe the issue is with the computer.?
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The trouble shooting has covered all of the ¡®usual suspects;¡¯? JMRI Configuration and Preferences; COM port confirmation, etc.?? Dick had me re-install the LocoBuffer-USB drivers
(after removing them using a utility posted on the RR-CirKits web site).?
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The ¡®Monitor LocoNet Stats¡¯ window is blank.? The LocoBuffer is ¡®seeing¡¯ LocoNet activity per the flashing red LED when throttle commands are sent.? This would seem to indicate
we are not getting communication between the computer and LocoBuffer.? Several different USB ports were tried; 3 different LocoBuffers were tried.? (The USB ports work with a wireless keyboard and mouse.)
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I substituted a different computer (MS Surface Pro 6 running WIN10 Pro) ?and successfully communicated with the DCS100 with 2 of the 3 LocoBuffers.? (I didn¡¯t try the 3rd LocoBuffer
but have no reason to believe it wouldn¡¯t work.)
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Dick and I are at a loss and he suggested I post here to see if anybody has any additional thoughts.? I¡¯m open to any additional ¡®outside-the-box¡¯ ideas.
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Ross Kudlick
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Details:
HP ProDesk 600 G1 SFF? (off-lease refurb)
WIN 10 Pro 10.0.18362
JMRI 4.17.9? (version on the failed computer)
JAVA 1.8.0_221;? changed to JAVA? 12.0.2? at Dick Bronson¡¯s suggestion during trouble shooting
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LocoBuffer-USB version 2.070
DCS100 firmware version FD
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THANK YOU AGAIN DAVE. Question please. ?Since I already selected the model of the decoder for this new Atlas GP-7 (I used ¡°LokSound Select¡±) from the listing of available ESU decoders AND downloaded all of the CV¡¯s from this new locomotive using ¡°LokSound Select¡±, (it took about two hours)¡. IS it to late to use NEW LOCO¡ª>READ TYPE from Decoder and start all over again? ?(Then again download all CV¡¯s from the locomotive?)?
?I am sure some CV¡¯s used by the locomotive were missed by ¡°LokSound Select¡± as the Atlas instructions that came with the locomotive suggested changing some CV¡¯s which I could not find using ¡°LokSound Select¡±.
Thank you. ?I appreciate your help as I am really trying to get this correct.
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Re: Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?
When I have been adding new track or turnout icons to my panel, the red boxes on the ends of the icons turn green when they are connected together, does that help determine which editor I am using?
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Re: Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?
Thanks for your reply Nick. When I do as you suggest clicking on "File" gives a drop down menu with just two items which are "Store panels" and "Delete this panel". Does that mean I am using the Panel Editor?
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Hi Ross,
This might be kicking in an already open door, but: have you tested that the new computer's USB ports are actually working, say, with an external USB harddisk or some such? In you saga, that's the one thing I've not seen.
Wouter
I¡¯ve hit a road block establishing communication between JMRI and a Digitrax DCS100 using a LocoBuffer-USB interface.? This is a new installation in a computer replacing a recently failed unit.? ? After extensive trouble shooting, including a lengthy telephone trouble shooting consultation with Dick Bronson (RR-CirKits), I believe the issue is with the computer.? ? The trouble shooting has covered all of the ¡®usual suspects;¡¯? JMRI Configuration and Preferences; COM port confirmation, etc.?? Dick had me re-install the LocoBuffer-USB drivers (after removing them using a utility posted on the RR-CirKits web site).? ? The ¡®Monitor LocoNet Stats¡¯ window is blank.? The LocoBuffer is ¡®seeing¡¯ LocoNet activity per the flashing red LED when throttle commands are sent.? This would seem to indicate we are not getting communication between the computer and LocoBuffer.? Several different USB ports were tried; 3 different LocoBuffers were tried.? (The USB ports work with a wireless keyboard and mouse.) ? I substituted a different computer (MS Surface Pro 6 running WIN10 Pro) ?and successfully communicated with the DCS100 with 2 of the 3 LocoBuffers.? (I didn¡¯t try the 3rd LocoBuffer but have no reason to believe it wouldn¡¯t work.) ? Dick and I are at a loss and he suggested I post here to see if anybody has any additional thoughts.? I¡¯m open to any additional ¡®outside-the-box¡¯ ideas. ? Ross Kudlick ? ? Details: HP ProDesk 600 G1 SFF? (off-lease refurb) WIN 10 Pro 10.0.18362 JMRI 4.17.9? (version on the failed computer) JAVA 1.8.0_221;? changed to JAVA? 12.0.2? at Dick Bronson¡¯s suggestion during trouble shooting ? LocoBuffer-USB version 2.070 DCS100 firmware version FD
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Re: multi decoder control
Jim, On 2 Aug 2019, at 7:30 AM, Jim Kirwan via Groups.Io <cact25@...> wrote:
Does multi decoder control allow you to program multiple decoder locos? If so how do I use it? Thanks. That is the intention of that tool. It only works with decoders implementing CV15,16 locking as per NMRA S9.2.2. But since it was written, many decoder manufacturers have changed/differing parameters, including the range of valid lock keys (some accept 0-7, others 0-255), unlock keys (some use 0 as a universal "master unlock" key, others treat 0 as a valid "lock" key). Furthermore, some manufacturers use a bit in a third unrelated CV as a lock enable/disable. The current situation is that we are aware of the limitations of the current JMRI multi-decoder support, but rewriting it to be manufacturer-specific is no easy task and has drifted to the back-burner due to other pressures. Dave in Australia
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