On 8/13/2018 5:46 PM, Barry Draper
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but that is with my own amplified driver.
??? It's probably
easier to look at the eBay item, eBay item number: 332427277346.?
These are mounted detectors using an adjustable op amp.? I think I
have fixed the problem.? I found some black paint and redid the
detectors and now they work with the test cars.? Will need to
install all the detectors (9 of them), wire up the Opto-isolators
(3 needed), and connect to the Logic Rail modules (of which I have
2).? After that the finial test!:-D
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For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
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Jon, What driver circuit are you using? That makes a huge difference, but regardless of the driver not all IR detector pairs are created equal. The specs on the TCRT5000 show 15mm (aprox. .5 inch) but that is tested with a mirrored surface. I have had good luck with a pairing of LiteOn LTR-4206E LED and LiteOn LTE-4206 phototransistor. These are discrete T-1 package, and require some sort of light shield between them on installation. Also, the LTE-4206 phototransistor has backward polarity, the positive is the short lead/ flat edge. I find I have no problem detecting up to an inch with black bottom cars (HO scale), but that is with my own amplified driver. Barry Draper ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Jon Miller <atsfus@...> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 1:10 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [jmriusers] I/R detectors This may be a little off topic for this group but I need some engineering help. I'm using some TCRT5000 Infrared detectors (eBay). When testing a light brown colored underframe the detector will trip at about 1". However when the underframe is black that reduces to about a 1/4". [there is more to this story but later if required] My question, if I increase the current to the IR LED (by decreasing the resistor) can I get more range? It appears the resistor now is around 30mA but the device specs say it could take 60mA. Maybe take to 45mA!:-\ -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Power Pro connecting to Macbook Pro issues
Glad to see I am not alone in this, I have someone to commiserate with. Lower case lol. Ron
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On Aug 13, 2018, at 19:00, Bob via Groups.Io < GMRC405@...> wrote: Sounds like the same problem that I¡¯m having. Posted ?earlier today. ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? ? Gents, ??? The subject issue: NCE Power Pro, serial port RS232 connected to PC windows 10 works normally.? Older JMRI version not updated recently.? I have plugged the RS-232 to USB into PC with no positive results, and have not attempted to trouble shoot at this time. The Problem: I am attempting to use said Power Pro connecting to Macbook Pro 2.7 Core i7.? JmRI Ver 4.12+Rb6u9bb1, java 1.8.0_171(en_US). Per Dave Heap for the NCE users group emails, software/updates, Silabs usbdriver disk.dmg, Trendnet TU-S9 software, Mac.os.vcp_driver.zip,? have been downloaded & installed.? The cable is from the desktop to a Trendnet TU-S9 RS232 to USB. I suspect the Trendnet is the culprit in the laptop not communicating to the Power Pro.? I have been through all the preferences: NCE System Mfr - NCE System connection - Serial Serial Port choice - Choices are None/cu.Bluetooth-incoming.port/TTy.Bluetooth-incomming-port (none work) Connection prefix - N Connection Name - NCE Baud rate - 9600 Eprom - 2006 or later Any ideas out there? Thanks Ron B ?
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The easiest if not the quickest way to decipher this probably is to purchase a replacement eprom chip from NCE.
For better information from the NCE experts on this list, one reasonable method is to open a new "Topic" on this group with a title like "NCE eprom 7 vs. 4 info needed" or some more literate way to catch the attention of the experts.
Cliff in Baja SoCal
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Re: NCE EProm version change (was EPrompt change #'s)
Wayne,
Ah - all is clear to me now. Unfortunately, I don't know the "trick", as I'm not an NCE user.
Hopefully Ken Cameron or another NCE-knowledgable person will chime in.
Regards,
Billybob
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Oops. I meant Eprom. I have a NCE system with a Eprom of 7. I sent it in for repair and got a loaner from a friend. The Eprom in it is a 4. JMRI keeps asking me to change? it from a 7 to a 4. How do you change the software in JMRI to show a 4.
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Re: Slot Monitor expansion to 400 slots
I reached out to AJ at NTS to see if/when Digitrax will be open to working with the JMRI team to bring the software up to speed to talk to the DCS240 for the expanded slots and all. He says that he has reached out to the appropriate person of the JMRI group but the individual has not gotten back in touch with him. It will be interesting to see if the LocoNet Personal Edition gets updated....
Tom Johnson
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 09:01 AM, billybob experimenter wrote:
Wayne,
What's an EPrompt? I've never heard of one, either inside JMRI or outside of it, either.
I suspect that you will need to give us some context on your problem. And I wonder if your problem may be unrelated to JMRI...
Regards,
Billybob
?On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 09:01 AM, billybob experimenter wrote:
Wayne,
What's an EPrompt? I've never heard of one, either inside JMRI or outside of it, either.
I suspect that you will need to give us some context on your problem. And I wonder if your problem may be unrelated to JMRI...
Regards,
Billybob
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Re: Decoder Pro Manual ?
A manual would be nice, but who has the time to keep up with all the
improvements/changes?
Once JMRI has slowed down in it's development and become more sedate in
development a manual con be under taken.
The JMRI group is the default manual for now...got a question or problem? Post
it here.
John
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Date: August 13, 2018 at 6:13 PM
George,
It doesn't matter if anyone agrees. If there is no one willing to put in the
work it won't happen.
I personally think the effort would be better spent elsewhere.
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Re: Power Pro connecting to Macbook Pro issues
Sounds like the same problem that I¡¯m having. Posted ?earlier today. ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Ron BurkhardSent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:13 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [jmriusers] Power Pro connecting to Macbook Pro issues ? Gents, ??? The subject issue: NCE Power Pro, serial port RS232 connected to PC windows 10 works normally.? Older JMRI version not updated recently.? I have plugged the RS-232 to USB into PC with no positive results, and have not attempted to trouble shoot at this time. The Problem: I am attempting to use said Power Pro connecting to Macbook Pro 2.7 Core i7.? JmRI Ver 4.12+Rb6u9bb1, java 1.8.0_171(en_US). Per Dave Heap for the NCE users group emails, software/updates, Silabs usbdriver disk.dmg, Trendnet TU-S9 software, Mac.os.vcp_driver.zip,? have been downloaded & installed.? The cable is from the desktop to a Trendnet TU-S9 RS232 to USB. I suspect the Trendnet is the culprit in the laptop not communicating to the Power Pro.? I have been through all the preferences: NCE System Mfr - NCE System connection - Serial Serial Port choice - Choices are None/cu.Bluetooth-incoming.port/TTy.Bluetooth-incomming-port (none work) Connection prefix - N Connection Name - NCE Baud rate - 9600 Eprom - 2006 or later Any ideas out there? Thanks Ron B ?
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Re: Entering New Loco's in DEcoder Pro
Dave is correct - you do NOT need the 2.5 Sprog for programming -
BUT - When doing installs on O Scale locos and then test running
them the power from the Sprog 3 is a big help.
Last week I re-motored an O scale Challenger using a WOW 5 amp
decoder. The extra "oomph" is a big help. Currently on the bench a
brass O scale SD70ac with same size decoder.
Gerry
On 14/08/2018 9:31 AM, Dave Heap wrote:
You don't need the 2.5A SPROG 3 to program decoders.
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Thanks for the suggestions all. I think
from reading the various replies I¡¯ll have to bite the bullet (
or whatever the train analogy is) and buy the Sprog 3 with the
2.5 amp output. I inherited the one I have so I don¡¯t know how
old it is. With sound decoders getting more and more complex,
and using more power, pretty soon we¡¯re going to need small
reactors to power stuff.
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Great Northern Downunder
NMRA Australasian Region
Contest & AP Chairman
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Re: Entering New Loco's in DEcoder Pro
Don't use the Rolling Thunder definition for a loco decoder. It's for the external "Rolling Thunder" box, which installs under your layout.
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On 14 Aug 2018, at 2:26 AM, Mike Heintzman < mikeheintzman@...> wrote: I tried to manually tell it that it was a BLI Paragon 3 Rolling Thunder, but got the same error
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Re: Entering New Loco's in DEcoder Pro
You don't need the 2.5A SPROG 3 to program decoders.
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On 14 Aug 2018, at 6:32 AM, Mike Heintzman < mikeheintzman@...> wrote: Thanks for the suggestions all. I think from reading the various replies I¡¯ll have to bite the bullet ( or whatever the train analogy is) and buy the Sprog 3 with the 2.5 amp output. I inherited the one I have so I don¡¯t know how old it is. With sound decoders getting more and more complex, and using more power, pretty soon we¡¯re going to need small reactors to power stuff.
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Re: Power Pro connecting to Macbook Pro issues
The?Tripp Lite HS19 series adaptor is fine. It may need a straight-through 9-pin cable to overcome a physical connector issue. I generally recommend the FTDI one sold as a spare part by ESU (dealers) for their LokProgrammer. It is cheap, reliable and doesn't need an adaptor cable.
Once you get the cable and drivers working as per my instructions, there is another potential issue with the Power Pro connector, but that can wait until we see your driver loading on the Mac and JMRI can see it. I'll post the link to that if we need it, it's not your current problem.
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On 14 Aug 2018, at 8:27 AM, Ron Burkhard < ronburk453@...> wrote: Will work on it very soon. ?I did order a new cable as suggested. ?Will know by Thursday.
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Mike
I have a Sprog II and a Sprog 3 and use a 15 volt supply for
both. No problems with any decoder.
Gerry
On 14/08/2018 8:12 AM, Peter Ulvestad
wrote:
Mike,
Using the PR3 as a standalone programmer, what power supply are you using? I use a 19 volt supply, other use 18 with no issues. Similarly, what power supply with your sprog (which is probably rated at 1 amp)? Check there website but I think you can use a higher voltage supply there as well.
While decoders may be getting more complex, they are not using more power IMHO. The opposite in fact.
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Re: Decoder Pro Manual ?
George,
It doesn't matter if anyone agrees. If there is no one willing to put in the work it won't happen.
I personally think the effort would be better spent elsewhere.
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Peter Ulvestad
JMRI Users Group Moderator - ( )
Tam Valley Group Moderator - ( )
Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - ( )
Edmonton Model Railroad Association -
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Re: Operations - Somewhat complex senario - would like help
A simple fix that comes to mind is that the Local starts at the storage track with a route of Storage Track - Barge - Industries and then return. Set the moves in the route for Barge at 0 for set outs and pick-ups.
Clark Bauman
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Re: Engine Driver Consists & functions
For those of you who have been following this thread, some private communications with Peter Akers has resolved the issue. Turns out the "Selective Lead Loco Sound" preference does not mean that F1 & F2 are not transmitted to trailing locos. It means that any function with a roster label containing one of the word fragments "bell", "horn", or "whistle" is not transmitted. Thus, you need to put function labels in at least the lead loco JMRI roster entry to get the selective sound feature to work. It also means that you can prevent alternate sounds assigned to other functions from being transmitted to trailing locos by putting one of the word fragments in the label. For instance, if a horn crossing sequence is assigned to F14, you can restrict it to the lead loco by using a label such as horn-c.
Mark Granville
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Re: Power Pro connecting to Macbook Pro issues
Thanks! Will work on it very soon. ?I did order a new cable as suggested. ?Will know by Thursday. Ron B
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On Aug 13, 2018, at 16:43, Dave Heap < dgheap@...> wrote: James is correct. You do not have the correct drivers installed for your Trendnet TU-S9 RS232 to USB. The SiLabs drivers are for the NCE USB board, which is not suitable for the Power Pro.
You need find and install drivers for the Trendnet cable.
Irrespective of DCC system, there are some basic rules for troubleshooting any USB-attached device to a Mac.
Plug your device into your Mac.
Go to "System Information" from Apple Menu->About This Mac->More Info->System Report.
Look in the USB section, expand all sections under controllers and hubs and see what devices are present.
Unplug your device, select Refresh from the System Profiler menus and see what device has disappeared. Plug your device back in, refresh again and see what reappears. Repeat until you see what is changing. If there is no change, there must be a hardware problem external to your Mac, such as a faulty USB cable, connector or device and there is no point going any further until your Mac can see the physical device.
Once you have seen the device in System Profiler, you will quite likely have to install Mac drivers for it (although some do not need extra drivers, see your documentation). If unsure, try the next step anyway.
Unplug your device. Open a Terminal Window (from /Applications/Utilities), copy and paste the following command in EXACTLY (including spaces and punctuation) then press Enter.
while : ;do clear;ls -lt /dev|head;i=$((i+1));echo $i;sleep 1;done
This command should show about 10 lines of output and then sit looping, with a counter incrementing every second.
Plug your device back in and wait a few seconds. Two new items with names like ?cu.xxx and tty.xxx should appear in the list. They should disappear if you unplug your device. If this does not happen, you do not have the correct drivers installed for your device and you will need to solve that before proceeding further. Once you have found your device, write down the name you see.You want the cu.xxx version not the tty.xxx version.
If you have got this far you know your device is be being seen by the Mac, that it has a matching driver installed and the name of the connection port "cu.xxx" you need to select in JMRI. If you cannot get this far, there's no way JMRI can find your device until the driver issue is resolved.
Please report back exactly how far you get. ?
The New England Convention 2018 ??? The subject issue: NCE Power Pro, serial port RS232 connected to PC windows 10 works normally.? Older JMRI version not updated recently.? I have plugged the RS-232 to USB into PC with no positive results, and have not attempted to trouble shoot at this time.
The Problem: I am attempting to use said Power Pro connecting to Macbook Pro 2.7 Core i7.? JmRI Ver 4.12+Rb6u9bb1, java 1.8.0_171(en_US).
Per Dave Heap for the NCE users group emails, software/updates, Silabs usbdriver disk.dmg, Trendnet TU-S9 software, Mac.os.vcp_driver.zip,? have been downloaded & installed.? The cable is from the desktop to a Trendnet TU-S9 RS232 to USB.
I suspect the Trendnet is the culprit in the laptop not communicating to the Power Pro.? I have been through all the preferences:
NCE
System Mfr - NCE
System connection - Serial
Serial Port choice - Choices are None/cu.Bluetooth-incoming.port/TTy.Bluetooth-incomming-port (none work)
Connection prefix - N
Connection Name - NCE
Baud rate - 9600
Eprom - 2006 or later
Any ideas out there?
Thanks
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Re: Decoder Pro Manual ?
Yes, but I for one like to have something in my hand to read. A real printed manual at my leisure instead of staring at a computer monitor. I can also concentrate on learning about the program whenever I want to without having to go back and fourth between the program and the online manual. That is just me. Granted, if there are manuals that are incomplete or out of date like those of today, then a manual to that extent is not going to do much training. Thus my solution to set a release date for the software to come out every year, and put a printable manual out for use in that year. Makes sense to me. Unfortunately I am not knowledgeable enough on the software to help with the writing of such a large undertaking. And I do realize it is a big undertaking. But many of us (like me) out here are just squeaking by on how to use the software and as some say even the software instructions for today would be inadequate to instruct anyone today just because things are changing so fast. But it would be nice to have something to look at in my lap while learning the software. Anyone else out there agree? George
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