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Re: Crossing in layout editor
The large majority of locos have all the wheels on each side directly electrically connected.
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So I am not sure how the frog voltage could ever be different from the track voltage? Andy On 7/26/2017 5:19 PM, dave@... [jmriusers] wrote:
The current is limited to less than the short wants (very high current) but more than any loco would want otherwise a loco moving onto a frog set correctly would trigger it. The frog voltage will move as the current is sensed but the main track voltage will not dip since the current limit in the juicer is less than the DCC controller can supply. Since the loco will generally have other wheels on the main track then the DCC decoder in the loco does not see the frog voltage move and even if there is a fine spike in the main track voltage the DCC decoder will have a small reservoir cap which will filter it ensuring the decoder does not reset. Our club runs several DCC layouts all of which use frog juicers in various places for different reasons and have never noticed them at work even with dozens of different locos many with DCC sound. |
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Re: Trouble with Virtual Signals
Bob Z,
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Check out my web page about mid way down is a picture of the layout editor panel with all of the intermediate internal signals revealed. I used SSL in all cases and just added these intermediate signals when more than one turnout is required to watch. Then you use the home signal feature to move the displayed aspect to the real physical signal. Bob Bucklew ----- Original Message -----
From: "JMRI users yahoo" <jmriusers@...> To: "JMRI users yahoo" <jmriusers@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 9:50:30 PM Subject: [jmriusers] Re: Trouble with Virtual Signals Please see the file "LayoutDiagram.png" in folder Bob Z Virtual Signals. I am wondering if Simple Signal Logic will meet my needs. I am trying to control the signals at CP Kiski westbound (to left) and eastbound (to right). Let's discuss the westbbound signal for track 2 at CP Kiski. The file SignalLogicKiskiWest2.png shows what I believe SSL is capable of. Apparently it can only specify a single turnout for the signal to react to. In my case, that signal needs to be red when turnout 303 is thrown (as shown on SignalLogicKiskiWest2.png), and also when turnout 304 is thrown (not on SignalLogicKiskiWest2.pnglosed) if turnout 303 is closed. Can this be accomplished using this tool? Or do I need to move to something more sophisticated? The eastbound signals at CP Kiski are also an issue. I understand how to have turnout 305 control the signals on the eastbound main and the signal coming off the Allegheny Secondary. But these signals should also be effected if track 2 between CP Kiski and CP Apollo is occupied and turnouts 303 and 304 are closed or if track 1 between CP Kiski and CP Apollo is occupied and turnout 303 is thrown and 304 is closed. Is this possible with SSL? Thanks, Bob Z |
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Re: Trouble with Virtual Signals
Please see the file "LayoutDiagram.png" in folder Bob Z Virtual Signals. I am wondering if Simple Signal Logic will meet my needs. I am trying to control the signals at CP Kiski westbound (to left) and eastbound (to right).
Let's discuss the westbbound signal for track 2 at CP Kiski. The file SignalLogicKiskiWest2.png shows what I believe SSL is capable of. Apparently it can only specify a single turnout for the signal to react to. In my case, that signal needs to be red when turnout 303 is thrown (as shown on SignalLogicKiskiWest2.png), and also when turnout 304 is thrown (not on SignalLogicKiskiWest2.pnglosed) if turnout 303 is closed. Can this be accomplished using this tool? Or do I need to move to something more sophisticated? The eastbound signals at CP Kiski are also an issue. I understand how to have turnout 305 control the signals on the eastbound main and the signal coming off the Allegheny Secondary. But these signals should also be effected if track 2 between CP Kiski and CP Apollo is occupied and turnouts 303 and 304 are closed or if track 1 between CP Kiski and CP Apollo is occupied and turnout 303 is thrown and 304 is closed. Is this possible with SSL? Thanks, Bob Z |
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Re: Help with German Signals
Gary
Probably easiest to create a head using the Double Output driver. This will display correctly when you select Dark, Red or Green. Create a mast using this head as a head controlled mast and as long as it does not have any yellow colours it should display fine. Alternatively you can just create the mast and use the matrix driver with two turnouts, and configure that. Suzie x |
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Re: Crossing in layout editor
The current is limited to less than the short wants (very high current) but more than any loco would want otherwise a loco moving onto a frog set correctly would trigger it. The frog voltage will move as the current is sensed but the main track voltage will not dip since the current limit in the juicer is less than the DCC controller can supply. Since the loco will generally have other wheels on the main track then the DCC decoder in the loco does not see the frog voltage move and even if there is a fine spike in the main track voltage the DCC decoder will have a small reservoir cap which will filter it ensuring the decoder does not reset. Our club runs several DCC layouts all of which use frog juicers in various places for different reasons and have never noticed them at work even with dozens of different locos many with DCC sound.
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Re: Help with German Signals
FYI, with JMRI 4.8 or later the ESU SwitchPilot decoders have JMRI decoder definitions, are fully programmable on Program Track (read the ESU manual to see how to connect for Program Track Mode) and Program on Main (when fitted to layout).
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Furthermore, the Single CV Programmer tool in JMRI can also be used. For Program on Main of these particular decoders with this tool, you need to select "Ops Accessory Byte", "Decoder Address" and use the decoder address (in the range 1-511) rather than the output address (in the range 1-2044). Note that with SwitchPilot decoders, the usable range is limited to decoder addresses 1-510 and output addresses 1-2040 (commands to outputs 2041-2044 are ignored). -- Dave in Australia On 27 Jul 2017, at 7:12 AM, gratay@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote: |
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Steve,
Since you are using direct connectivity, JMRI is providing the timing for your flashing reds. So, you should not need to change anything in CATS, but make your changes in JMRI, as you first suspected. Thanks for the kind words and I did read your articles in the Dispatcher Office. Nicely done. I will look through your articles and see if there are any other clues as to what could be going on. Rodney _________________________________________________________________________________________ Because I am using the direct connectivity/interface between JMRI, I didn't have to fill in any of the decoder addresses. In order to properly follow your directions, do I now need to fill out all of the decoder information on the screen below, or, just that for the "flashing red"? |
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Re: Help with German Signals
The German signals don't work that way. Depending upon which signal type
they are more complex in that they show aspects and can show more than one aspect at the same time depending upon whether there is a distant signal attached to the same mast or whether there is a switching signal attached to the same mast. I am speaking from knowledge of German signalling but a novice at JMRI. It was my understanding that JMRI had the German signals in its configuration but what I do not know yet is if those signals are set up using the logix and how that logix output is designed to get to the signal? I'm thinking maybe the JMRI 'way' is the expectation of using a manufacturer's signal decoder units such as those sold by Marklin or some other European manufacturer. I will be following this thread closely as I will going down the same path here shortly although my plan was to tie my signals to CMRI outputs that then feed a decoder board I originally designed and built to be able to drive my Brawa signals. Unfortunately Brawa stopped making them and they are the only fine-scale signals I have seen. Until someone else steps into the breech I will be stuck with the more clunky Veissmann signals. Mike Piazza On 26 July 2017 at 14:12, gratay@... [jmriusers] < jmriusers@...> wrote:
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Re: Volume Control
This can only be done if the decoder supports such an option.
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I know that ESU decoders can be configured so that a function key works as a combined Volume/Mute key; a single press mutes or unmutes, double presses step through six predefined master volume levels. Very useful for club/vs home etc. I don't know of any other decoder brand or model that does so. -- Dave in Australia On 27 Jul 2017, at 12:43 AM, tjfisher1@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote: |
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Re: JMRI 4.8 is available for download
Hi Fraser, I looked at your XML panel file, but am pretty sure the structure of the matrix signal masts is ok despite being written in 4.6. After I deleted all the extra stuff, except for 1 matrix mast and the two turnouts used as outputs, it loaded fine in de signal mast table. Didn't check your custom appearance file, but saw another error message about some "" (that's empty) number format exception for a Cbus turnout that was gone when I took out all but the 2 turnouts. You've got quite a list, so I'm sorry I was unable to look at each one.
Is there a place where you use this particular matrix mast in either an icon on your panel, in Signal Mast Logic or a signal group. That could be the spot where the mast is loaded again, and we might not have tested before. Still, my approach to find the cause would be to first take out the LayoutEditor panel and then cut the remaining file in half and see what happens. If OK, check the other half. Please let us know what you find. Egbert |
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Help with German Signals
I am trying to set up a basic Signal with 3 states Red, Green, and Dark. I have tried all of the various Signal Heads. The signal is being driven by an ESU 51820 Accessory Decoder using 2 of the 4 outputs. 1 for the Red Bulb on/off, and one for the Green Bulb. Call them XT1 and XT2, I am using THROWN to turn the lamp on and CLOSED to turn it off. This was the only way I could see to be able to have a DARK state.
Using JMRI 4.6 on a Mac Gary |
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Version 4.8
Thanks to all that worked to bring us Version 4.8.
It installed with no serious concerns and seems to address the burning issues. Good Job! Walt |
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Steve,
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They are indicated on the label on the top. Left is LocoNet termination, Right is Railsync power. Dick :) On 07/26/2017 11:55 AM, stevedavis@... [jmriusers] wrote:
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Lee,
Thank you. In my case, I'm using the LocoBuffer USB Rev-n so I'm afraid that's not my issue. Was worth a try though! Thanks, Steve |
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 02:31:21AM +0000, stevedavis@... [jmriusers] wrote:
I'm using CATS to dispatch my layout and I'm running WiThrottle all using JMRI running on a Windows 10 PC (64 bit i7 processor 8 GB RAM). Some time (maybe an hour or two) into an op session, the red light on the locobuffer which flashes to indicate loconet activity will lock on solid red, at which point the locobuffer no longer functions (commands from JMRI to the layout, to clear signals, throw turnouts, etc. no longer have any effect).Is it a LocoBuffer II Serial, with a USB to serial adapter, or a LocoBuffer USB? I ask because the original LocoBuffer II can be made to lock up fairly easily. I documented that a long time ago and discussed with Dick @RRCirKits. We did some extensive testing as a result, and I was never able to get a LocoBuffer USB to lock up. That same testing also showed a PR3 will drop messages under heavy load. So if it's the serial, using a USB to Serial adapter, consider replacing with a LocoBuffer USB. I will also note that if it is the serial version locking up that means your LocoNet is quite busy for an extended period of time. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@... PGP keys at |
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Rodney,
Because I am using the direct connectivity/interface between JMRI, I didn't have to fill in any of the decoder addresses. In order to properly follow your directions, do I now need to fill out all of the decoder information on the screen below, or, just that for the "flashing red"? Thank you, Steve |
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Dick,
The SSB has two power dip switches but no further documentation. Which switch is for LocoNet power and which for RailSync? Thank you, Steve |
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Excellent advice and understood thank you.
Sincerely, Steve |
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Re: Locobuffer locking up from data overload?
Steve,
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Your 'Custom' link cable would not have the red and green 'LocoNet' wires. Also you would need to turn off the 'Sync' switch on the SSB Gateway to prevent it from putting DC on the Railsync lines in conflict with the actual Railsync coming from your custom cable. Dick :) On 07/26/2017 11:28 AM, stevedavis@... [jmriusers] wrote:
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