If you simultaneously switch a 2-rail double crossover from both routes straight to both routes diverging, the polarity of the end frogs of the diamond are indeterminate. However it may be possible for a deduced JMRI signal output to be used to set those correctly, depending on JMRI knowing which diverging? route has been activated.

Andy

On 11/20/2018 9:58 AM, JerryG via Groups.Io wrote:

Andy -

Not sure I understand your question as frogs have not yet been connected other than what came from the manufacturer (Walthers) and this has not been a problem in my testing so far. ?If they turn out to be a problem, my plan is to drive frog polarity either from auxiliary contacts on one of the switch machines or to install a dual Frog Juicer. ?Right now, I’m just trying to get the controls working via JMRI entries. ?FYI, my switch machines and sensors are controlled via Arduinos operating as CMRI nodes, although I don’t see how that would make a difference to how a JMRI Turnout Table entry works.

Thanks, Jerry
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Not sure I understand your question as frogs have not yet been connected other than what came from the manufacturer (Walthers) and this has not been a problem in my testing so far. ?If they turn out to be a problem, my plan is to drive frog polarity either from auxiliary contacts on one of the switch machines or to install a dual Frog Juicer. ?Right now, I’m just trying to get the controls working via JMRI entries. ?FYI, my switch machines and sensors are controlled via Arduinos operating as CMRI nodes, although I don’t see how that would make a difference to how a JMRI Turnout Table entry works.

Thanks, Jerry
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Are you mechanically operating the diametrically opposite turnouts for the permitted route in order select the frog power to the switched diamond frogs in that direction?

Andy

?On 11/20/2018 7:58 AM, JerryG via Groups.Io wrote:

Using JMRI 4.13.4+R49e7a86, Java version 1.8.0_191 on Windows 7 PC.

I have a double crossover track (four sets of points) that is controlled by two switch machines: the upper left and lower right are connected to one machine and the lower left and upper right to the other. I would like to control each pair of turnouts independently by clicking their respective entries in the Turnout Table as well as via two push buttons on my layout, and also have the ability to cause both sets to switch more or less simultaneously from crossed over to straight position by clicking on my Layout Editor panel. I’ve almost got it working but have run into one glitch.

I started by defining two turnouts in the Turnout Table. I then inserted a double crossover turnout in a Layout Editor panel and linked it to one Turnout Table entry with the other entry listed as the supporting turnout. Next, to allow pb control, I created two Sensors that are set when the turnouts actually change position. I then tried to set Feedback to ONESENSOR for each Turnout Table entry linked to the sensor for the corresponding pushbutton, which would allow me to transmit turnout state information back to JMRI when the pushbuttons are used to change their position.

This worked fine for the first Turnout Table entry. My problem is that JMRI will not allow me to set the second turnout as getting feedback from the second sensor. The editor window for the Turnout Table seems to accept that I have selected the correct sensor from the pulldown when I press Apply (I get the “entry updated” message near the bottom of the window), but I cannot click OK and close the window. If I close the window manually and re-open, I see that the sensor was never put in the Turnout Table entry.

Is there a problem with how I am doing trying to set this up, or a problem with JMRI - or both? :)

Thanks, Jerry

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Tim,
Put the clock on a JMRI panel and then display it to a tablet or phone using the JMRI web server.

Bob Bucklew

Using JMRI 4.13.4+R49e7a86, Java version 1.8.0_191 on Windows 7 PC.

I have a double crossover track (four sets of points) that is controlled by two switch machines: the upper left and lower right are connected to one machine and the lower left and upper right to the other. I would like to control each pair of turnouts independently by clicking their respective entries in the Turnout Table as well as via two push buttons on my layout, and also have the ability to cause both sets to switch more or less simultaneously from crossed over to straight position by clicking on my Layout Editor panel. I’ve almost got it working but have run into one glitch.

I started by defining two turnouts in the Turnout Table. I then inserted a double crossover turnout in a Layout Editor panel and linked it to one Turnout Table entry with the other entry listed as the supporting turnout. Next, to allow pb control, I created two Sensors that are set when the turnouts actually change position. I then tried to set Feedback to ONESENSOR for each Turnout Table entry linked to the sensor for the corresponding pushbutton, which would allow me to transmit turnout state information back to JMRI when the pushbuttons are used to change their position.

This worked fine for the first Turnout Table entry. My problem is that JMRI will not allow me to set the second turnout as getting feedback from the second sensor. The editor window for the Turnout Table seems to accept that I have selected the correct sensor from the pulldown when I press Apply (I get the “entry updated” message near the bottom of the window), but I cannot click OK and close the window. If I close the window manually and re-open, I see that the sensor was never put in the Turnout Table entry.

Is there a problem with how I am doing trying to set this up, or a problem with JMRI - or both? :)

Thanks, Jerry

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Using SSL, is it possible to create a panel that can detect the direction of travel? I haven't been able to figure it out if you can do so and would appreciate any guidance. Thanks in advance.
Clay Smith
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Jim, Tom,

There are two different "stop" instructions in the DCC specification. The normal "go to speed zero" which slows something following the momentum curve in the decoder, and the "emergency stop" which is just that, stop immediately.

Most throttles correctly implement an emergency stop option on a key somewhere.



- Nigel

Tom:

Assume that all is via JMRI on your computer screen to either the USB connected DCC++ or Lenz system?

Not direct help with Lenz... but, emergency stops can bypass momentum. True for the NCE I use. Why idle vs. stop no idea.

Your DCC++ not controlling servo point motors... You mention that with Lenz controller that they work and are Arduino based so I assume DIY designs..?

Whose Arduino sketch so we might check accessory address requirements? There might be a subtle difference in just how the addresses translate between the DCC++ commands and Lenz. Both are being sent via JMRI and not native in the Lenz throttle?

Jim Albanowski

Taking Fraser's suggestion - I've put my screen grabs in Photos - (It wouldn't let me put images in 'Files'), under? SML Table Max Speed Issue - Torben

/g/jmriusers/album?id=78917

Is there a better way to point to them I wonder??!!

Thanks?
Torben

Hi Torben

Put your screen grabs into a folder you can create in the "Problems being worked on" section of the Files section then you can point to them in any posts you make.

Fraser

Sorry Steve - perhaps I didn't make myself clear.

I reset all the Warrants from 100 to sensible values on switch on again!? ie I have to do it twice.? -? If I just let the SML calculate the max speeds with the Warrant speeds properly set, it sets the max speed from the Warrant speed table, nowhere else -? NB all aspects are at Danger on switch on until I send a Start of Day.

All speeds everywhere else are set to Global Max with no curves etc

I'm using version?JMRI.4.13.5ish+jenkins+20181118T0816Z+Re521f5c

To illustrate my point I've got a couple of screen grabs of the SML table to show you, but I can't see how to send you an attachment on here.? ?The first one shows that at switch on (before Start of Day) all aspects are at Danger - the majority of Max Speeds are at 10%, with a few at 60%, which I think are Restricted and Normal Warrant speed settings.? ?The 2nd image is the same thing but after Start of Day, with the aspects correctly shown, but the Max Speeds are the same, mostly 10%.

I hope that's clearer - what am I missing??

Thanks
Torben

Hi Torben

You can find the definitions in the files section of Groups.io in "BR2003 Appearance file for Matrix signal mast". It's all in there. If you need anymore info email me direct either through here or via the MERG forum where I am Munrobagger.

Cheers

Fraser

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Steve,

Yep that makes sense! I don't feel in this case it will help, as TECHNICALLY a train can go both closed and thrown routes from this position. (S04 can go to S92 OR S25) so the green isn't wrong, it's only wrong for that trains transit which isn't allocating do to the blockage of another train. Taking away the blockages and letting the train run around it has no problems.

Yes I feel that's whats not happening. It does stop just after the signal in the next block.. and when the other train is out of the way, if I back the train up manually before the signal, it then allocates and all is well again. Sort of like a re-wind and try again. However if I "rewind" before the allocation is available, it will try and stop in the next block again. Very odd behaviour!
The signal S04 is showing green for 08A(LT6 + curve) > 08B(LT4) > 08C(LT2) > 08D(LT1) > 09 to S25
The allocation wants from S04 to 08A>08B>08C>08D>41(Occupied) to S92

I have another spot on the layout that has two directions that one train can take (LT22) so I might try the same situation there and see if it fails or works correctly. That will isolate a global problem or a situational problem. I'll upload the file as it is now in a few hours when I have access again.

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Mitch

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Do you need the latest version of JMRI for the offset address box? I haven’t been able to find it.?

Tim,

? ? I believe there is a start up preference where you just bring up the fast clock and it is displayed as a window.? ?I tested that feature out before while seeing what I could do with an iPhone.

? ? Check out my album " Roger's Photos" and you will see it.

Roger

Tim,

There are several options available at that will open a Nixie Clock, a LCD Clock, or an Analog Clock Panel on your computer. In fact, you can have one or maybe more of each, but I digress...

Another option is to use PanelPro and create a New Panel using the Panel Editor, and then from the "Panel Editor" window that appears, use the "Select the type of Icon to Add to Panel:" list scroll down to "Fast Clock" and click on that text.

Once that is done, an analog clock icon will appear at the top left of window with the default name of "Panel" that you can right click for options. Perhaps someone can provide a digital clock option, but so far that has eluded my search.

Other Panel options are best described elsewhere. but extra information may just be confusing here.

If your JMRI Web Server is turned on, any Browser on any tablet connected to your WiFi can find any one of these Panels. You can verify the results with your computer browser with the IP address of

Cliff in Baja SoCal

Darren,

Dave Mc. alludes to part b) of my previous post, where a tool like JMRI's "LocoNet Slot Monitor" can be used to extract the information from the command station. There are a variety of technical reasons why this cannot be relied upon as a "complete" solution to the generic question initially posed - especially when "advanced consists" are in use.

Regards,
Billybob