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Re: ESU and JMRI
#esu
Download ESU Lok Programmer Software. Its free,
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Load which ever sound file you are working with. Make which ever changes you need then
go to Tools and click on Show Changed CV's.
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It gives you a list of changed CV's. You can then Use Decoder Pro to make the appropriate changes.? ? ?
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ESU and JMRI
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I would like to know how to set faded sound levels using JMRI with ESU decoders. Is there a definitive guide anywhere I could see - either video or text based - that explains the sound settings in detail? Thanks in advance. Chris |
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Regarding George's question about efficiency and the observations that followed, I'll add some of my own perhaps practical observations.? I'm addressing the larger aspects of developing a signal system.?
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I'm finally close to having a finished switchable ABS/CTC LogixNG layout control application, that has five controlled sidings, a dozen intermediate signals, and at least a hundred occupancy sensors.? It is controlled by a JMRI-graphics CTC lever panel that properly emulates a Western Pacific office machine, including all the panel lamps and levers and working US&S 506 Time-Code code lamps and recorded relay audio, with proper time delays doing field I/O.? This covers half our club layout, and I'll finish the other half in the next year or so.? I'm using CMRI hardware on a 56Kbaud serial bus to several cpNode controllers in the "field" (layout room) for I/O.? The turnout controllers are custom, and can emulate both Dual Control and Electric Locked switches;? each have 6 I/O pins for control and position/lock feedback.? There are several hundred items in the JMRI sensor and turnout tables, and many in the Heads, Masts and audio tables.? All the signal logic is done in LogixNG (vs. SML, SSL, CTC, etc).? In other words, I did everything with LogixNG.? There are two large graphics panels (the CTC office panel and a "field" monitor panel) and a couple minor ones.
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So, how big is the software?? The XML file is 12MB, which has 250K lines of code in the file (all generated with PanelPro).? I don't know how this compares to other large layouts.? I'm guessing the final build-out will be 50% larger.? I'm using the latest production release of PanelPro and JAVA 17.? I'm developing this on my newer Windows laptop (in SIM mode), and running the layout-connected app on a newer modest Windows desktop machine, both on Win11.?
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How does it run?? It starts on both platforms very rapidly (a few seconds), and runs below 10% of the CPU.? I'm not seeing any real-time lags in doing anything.? I haven't seen any odd behavior in the aspects of the ~50 signal masts over several hours of use during ops, nor seen any lockups or odd System Console errors being thrown.? Not sure why I'd want or need to make it more efficient.? I'm not seeing anything that's a problem, and those I've issues I've reported get fixed pretty quick (other than my request for a feature to clear the clipboard... bump).
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How about ability to maintain this monster app??? That's perhaps the big challenge, even for the developer (me).? While I'm actively working on it and have the full context in my brain, it's easy to do.? On the other hand, if months go by I do forget a lot of how things are being done and where.? To mitigate that I've maintained WORD, EXCEL, and VISIO docs as I've gone along that covers tables, contents, functions, strategies and flows that get me back up to speed.? It also has notes on how LogixNG does things (not always intuitive or well documented online).? As always, a straight-forward elegant design is always going to be easier to learn/maintain than a chaotic undocumented design.? I've tried to be clear and consistent doing things vs. clever and inconsistent.? I think I've used almost all the LogixNG features except for Modules, Sensor Groups and Servers.? Regarding others doing the maintaining?? That's going to be a big lift.?
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Even if a club has programing members, few are going to be experienced in LogixNG.? I've talked to a lot of guys, some railroad signalmen, that learned and are using the original Logix and consider the jump to LogixNG would be difficult, and that the older Logix is closer to the railroad relay logic they know well.? Knowing both (relay logic and programming languages), I'm not so sure the latter is true, but LogixNG does have more "stuff" it can do and has more to learn to get that power.? It has taken months to figure out how to use the "new" features I needed, so they have a point.? BUT, no way would I want to try to do everything I'm doing with Logix.? In the end, learning the features paid off but it was a lift.? Makes a lot of us wish there were classes on this stuff, but in their absence we have this GIO group.? *Lots* of times the regulars on this forum got me unstuck, and I'm not sure what the alternative is.
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Long term viability?? The older versions of JMRI and JAVA stick around, so I don't see big risk in letting a production machine run for years without updating.? This is more like a machine controller application that will work fine for a long time once solid and left alone, vs. something that's dynamically being pushed along over time.? Now, if the layout changes, then that's a functionally driven change.? Our layout computer is strictly offline (standalone) so that I don't have to worry about Microsoft updating and breaking something, which is a real thing.? We also have strict change control since operations is a key part of the club.?
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Nor do I think the JMRI team is at risk of going away any time soon.? The team is strong from what I can see, and use good procedures.
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Alternative JMRI approaches?? I don't know anything about the "packaged" signal solutions to comment.? I do know I'm approaching the signal control points and signal aspects the way the railroad signal department does, regarding input factors and control outputs.? I also have a prototype in mind and want to emulate that operation precisely, both in the field (layout) and in the DS office (CTC control panel).? I'm doing route signaling so don't have a huge set of aspects.? My goal was to have the flexibility to do what I wanted vs. take what the "package" provides (and assuming it has tradeoffs I don't want).? No doubt these "packaged" solutions will get better and perhaps at some point overtake the complex if-then-else digital formulas approach I'm doing.? Lots (most?) layout owners probably don't feel a need for precise control and are happy for all the help they can get with signals... they *are* hard.? From what I've seen, the JMRI team knows railroad signaling, so I'm assuming the "packaged" solutions are going to be pretty good, albeit generic else slanted to certain prototypes.?
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Like everything about a hobby, there are tradeoffs... what makes you happy, and how much time/money you have for a task.? Signals are a big task no matter how you do them and not quick.? JMRI LogixNG is a safe and effective choice small or large, and I suspect the "packaged" signaling solutions will also work fine.
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Re: Best Command Station to use with Decoder Pro
Back to the topic? "Best Command Station to use with Decoder Pro
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I have a Z21 command station from Roco. This works wonderfully with DecoderPro and reads even complex ESU decoders in a few minutes via PoM (Railcom as feedback). The speed advantage over the DCC programming track method with ACK pulses is about 1:15.
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Re: Anyone Have a Schedule Strategy to Put Long Train Into Multiple Staging Cassettes?
#operationspro
What the software thinks and what the operator does are two different things.
I think I will set one cassette at double capacity and keep one as "overflow".
I'll leave the other cassettes at configured length.
If OpsPro builds a train destined for that long cassette, it will be the yardmaster to put the extras on the overflow cassette.
When a build must use the "big" cassette, the yardmaster will need to pull both cassettes.
The "shorter" cassettes will add a bit of variety to the local freight.
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Re: Functions above F12 not working using Digitrax PR4
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开云体育Or buy a SPROG and do your programming and testing with thatThat’s what I diss when I needed a stand-alone test system
Phil G On 21 Mar 2025, at 21:46, Semms via groups.io <mnsamp@...> wrote:
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Re: Functions above F12 not working using Digitrax PR4
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Thanks for the info.? I figured it was a limitation of the PR4.? I'm going to connect it to the DB150 and create another profile for decoder pro to run it with that and see if i can send functions above 12 that way.? I guess the ultimate goal is going to be using a DTDP switch to either have it in standalone mode or through the command station so i can program and then test the functions on the same programming track.
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Re: Startup/automation
Tony, Dave Sand ----- Original message ----- From: AD <bklyns_baseball_club@...> Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Startup/automation Date: Friday, March 21, 2025 4:06 PM I have a panel with switches using logix but i would like to have one using the ghost feature. Question is how do i create the ghost blocks? Tony
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Re: Startup/automation
开云体育I have a panel with switches using logix but i would like to have one using the ghost feature.Question is how do i create the ghost blocks? Tony On Mar 21, 2025, at 6:04?AM, Ken Heywood via groups.io <kheywood@...> wrote:
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Re: The future of control and automation - thoughts?
Although a few responces may have veered slightly off track I believe this thread is JMRI related.? The future of train detection will effect the future of JMRI.? ?Obviously automation is not as big in US but it is much more prevalent in Europe.? Check out MERG ?Model Electronic Railway Group? This thread also turned me on to camera detection which I find fascinating.? I have been following IOTT and gps detection.? Keep up the great work to all of you.? Thank you!
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Re: Functions above F12 not working using Digitrax PR4
#digitrax
The PR4 is a programmer, not a command station, and therefore isn't intended to run a loco or test a decoder's functions (the very limited exception being certain Digitrax sound decoders).
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As you have found, trying to use it in a manner for which it was not designed may produce inconsistent results. It has long been my contention that the JMRI throttle be disabled when using a PR4 (or a PR3) in stand-alone programming mode.
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Thanks Dave.
I can understand why one might not want to repeat an action or have an item trigger an evaluation.?
However, in most of my CNGs either of these don't matter, so I'm more comfortable with Always Execute.
If the overhead is insignificant then it's probably much of a muchness.
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H.O. Australia (Layout in Progress) Digikeijs DR5000 LocoNet JMRI v5.10 DecoderPro/Warrants/CPE/SML/LogixNG Java: OpenLogic jre-17.0.12.7 ? Windows 10 |
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Functions above F12 not working using Digitrax PR4
#digitrax
Hi,
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I was programming an ESU Loksound V5 DCC decoder and noticed i could not activate any function above F12 using the JMRI Throttle in Decoder Pro.? I had another locomotive with a V5 decoder so i also tested the issue on that with the same results.? I'm using the PR4 as a standalone programmer on a dedicated programming track.
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The PR4 has the latest drivers from the Digitrax website and i also tried flashing the firmware.? Is this a limitation of the PR4 in standalone mode?? Am i missing a specific setting somewhere in Decoder Pro?? Any help would be appreciated.
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14:15:31,264 apps.util.Log4JUtil ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- * JMRI log ** [main]
14:15:31,305 apps.util.Log4JUtil ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- This log is stored in file: C:\Users\Semms40oz\JMRI\log\session.log [main] 14:15:31,307 apps.util.Log4JUtil ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- This log is appended to file: C:\Users\Semms40oz\JMRI\log\messages.log [main] 14:15:31,390 apps.AppsBase ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- DecoderPro version 5.10+Rca461bd266 starts under Java 17.0.14 on Windows 10 amd64 v10.0 at Fri Mar 21 14:15:31 EDT 2025 [main] 14:15:31,823 apps.gui3.Apps3 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- Starting with profile My_JMRI_Railroad.3f685e70 [main] 14:15:32,183 jmri.util.node.NodeIdentity ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- Using 19742551-f6c4-41ef-a3d3-7effa4c90361 as the JMRI storage identity for profile id 3f685e70 [AWT-EventQueue-0] 14:15:32,481 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO ?- Starting to connect for "LocoNet" [main] 14:15:32,693 jmri.jmrix.loconet.pr4.PR4Adapter ? ? INFO ?- Connecting PR4 via COM3 VCOM PR4 [main] 14:15:32,704 .loconet.locobuffer.LocoBufferAdapter INFO ?- LocoNet: Port Communications Port (COM3) opened at 57600 baud, sees DTR: true RTS: true DSR: false CTS: false DCD: false flow: RTSCTS [main] 14:15:32,724 x.loconet.pr3.PR3SystemConnectionMemo INFO ?- Connection [L] initialized as "Stand Alone Programmer", no access to attached devices. (see preferences) [main] 14:15:32,758 jmri.jmrix.loconet.LnPacketizer ? ? ? INFO ?- lnPacketizer Started [main] 14:15:33,743 jmri.jmrit.roster.Roster ? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO ?- Reading roster file with rootFromName(C:\Users\Semms40oz\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad.jmri\roster.xml) [main] 14:15:33,962 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path program: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\ [main] 14:15:33,963 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path preference: is C:\Users\Semms40oz\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad.jmri\ [main] 14:15:33,966 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path profile: is C:\Users\Semms40oz\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad.jmri\ [main] 14:15:33,970 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path settings: is C:\Users\Semms40oz\JMRI\ [main] 14:15:33,971 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path home: is C:\Users\Semms40oz\ [main] 14:15:33,973 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO ?- File path scripts: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\jython\ [main] 14:15:34,781 t.permission.DefaultPermissionManager INFO ?- Permission file: C:\Users\Semms40oz\JMRI\.permissions.xml [main] 14:15:34,792 t.permission.DefaultPermissionManager INFO ?- Permission system is enabled: no [main] ?
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Re: Best Command Station to use with Decoder Pro
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 06:53 AM, Mark Granville wrote:
Do you know if there is a command station manufacturer with a lazy coder who made the “if it ain’t 0 it must be 1” assumption? I'm aware of one that validates bit by bit as "is it zero" and if there is no ACK then it is assumed to be a one, however, after checking the eight bits it attempts to validate the assembled bits with a follow up PROG packet (0b01110100 as cmd byte). This would generate nine packets on the PROG track per CV to be read.
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Re: The future of control and automation - thoughts?
Oh - Sorry if I cracked open a topic beyond the intended scope - though it starts with what I am learning in JMRI. And I will say I have learned a great deal from the responses here - and thank everyone for indulging the 'general' topic! I continue to be encouraged on everything from running trains manually to the most advanced topics of JMRI -and beyond!?
-Roll on :-)?
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Re: Best Command Station to use with Decoder Pro
开云体育I recommend Digitrax. I want to see if they were the first ones to adopt USB as a connection point. And it’s been pretty darn solid in the 20 years I’ve been using it.Larry Sloan Eat, Sleep, Work, Play with trains On Mar 21, 2025, at 9:04?AM, Ken Cameron via groups.io <kcameron@...> wrote:
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Re: Best Command Station to use with Decoder Pro
开云体育Michael, The NMRA version of RailCom, S-9.3.2 was published, in English, back in 2012. See: The fact that it does not include the latest updates that are being worked out with the Rail Community is hardly any excuse for the lack of participation by most US manufacturers.? On the other hand, the lack of US support for RailCom (which is virtually unknown the US market place) may be the root cause for the lack of NMRA volunteer resources available to keep everything current. The NMRA is its membership, and runs on its volunteers. My guess is that the NMRA consists mostly of folks from the USA. If it is lagging behind with RailCom, it is because there is no volunteer running with that project. Taking a cheap shot at the NMRA is not really a useful way out of this catch-22 situation. JMRI does amazingly well at supporting what is being used by its
various contributors, but again, you don't see very much support
for products that we don't use. My guess is that JMRI DecoderPro
support will follow along very closely with NMRA standard product
capabilities and customer choices. I.e. we should purchase systems
that support the best programming options, not expect DecoderPro
to somehow magically make old slow designs work faster. Dick :) On 3/21/2025 5:01 AM, Michael Smith via
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Re: Best Command Station to use with Decoder Pro
开云体育Ken (Moordigian),
first question for JMRI is whether the Cab-Control system is actually supported.? The pages linked are for the ECoS system, which isn't the same thing.? ?
On networking,? you should be able to solve things.? ?There's an ethernet port on the Cab-Control, so if you've a spare port on an ethernet hub/switch which can be reached from the train room, then that provides a wired connection between things.? ?(There
may be some network address ranges to sort out).? ? ? But, without anything in software to support the device, you're still stuck,? so first question needs addressing first.??
Nigel
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From "Ken Moordigian via groups.io" <TheKenWiley@...>
Date 21/03/2025 15:29:20
Subject Re: [jmriusers] Best Command Station to use with Decoder Pro
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