Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
Hi Tommy
Have you tried removing J101, drive to hf PA.
You can then put the radio into TX mode and check continuity of circuit after C327. You should be able to check circuit through the relay and onto the filter section?
James?
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Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
JD, Thank you for the insight.? I appreciate the response. I agree with your comment that there may some kind of fault past the L305 transformer.? I have looked for broken traces in the path through to the ant1 connector.? Finding a faulty relay may be difficult but I think each of the band paths are working since all of the receive bands are working.? But I may not be understanding it correctly.?
I have tried to limit transmit time where the current is high.? I did mention in a previous comment that the modulated supply current is lowest at 160M and highest at 50M.
I look forward to your evaluation of the circuit. ?
Thanks Tommy KF4RWG
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 3:47?PM J.D. Barron via <jeter.d.barron= [email protected]> wrote: Tommy, Pay careful attention to what I am saying here.
If you key the radio RTTY, AM, FM, CW and you are drawing 20 amps AND if you key the mike on SSB and you draw just a couple of amps you are producing RF power.
Your radio is drawing power trying to get the feed back from the forward power measurement circuit to satisfy the CPU power demand signal and increasing the drive to the point where the IC current limit is limiting the drive to limit the current draw to 20 amps.
If the radio in SSB is just drawing a few amps in SSB with no audio input the current limit is not reached because the PA is just sitting there at idle current.?
You do have something keeping the RF power from getting as far as the forward power sensing circuit and out of the antenna jack, perhaps a broken trace, bad relay or a band pass filter out of kilter.?
While I think that the transformer could be bad, I suspect that it is not as they are pretty rugged.
It has been a while since I have had an IC-7000 on my bench, but I have seen this kind of action from a number of radios and often it has been in the transmitter bandpass filters and either relay drivers or PIN diodes defective.?
I will take time to revisit the prints for the IC-7000 and see if I? can offer some suggestions, but if I were you I think that I would start checking the direct pathways through the circuits after the PA amplifiers. The output transformer is at least carrying current to the PA from the 13.8 volts and probably the secondary is doing it's job as well. There could be some shorted caps (or open for that matter) that are an issue or perhaps one of the TR relays etc.?
Just my opinion, but I have managed to be wrong before and I reserve that option as well.
?
JD
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Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
Hi There is an path problem broken track or inductors or SC caps.
You need to to feed a DC in reflected path to drop the power to a few watts current no more than 3 amps, then signal trace
73
Andrew
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On 28 Jan 2025, 19:50, at 19:50, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg@...> wrote: Andrew I am retired but sometimes household task take priority. I can discuss radio things most afternoons.
I did measure the transformer output in CW mode at 28 MHz and saw 6+ watts and 20amps.
I have found that my oscilloscope is old and not accurate, but is good for a relative measurement that shows the L305 input voltage is higher than the output. I also verified this with a VTVM. I can’t argue that the L305 maybe bad, but is of robust construction with the secondary windings shielded coax. I did check continuity of the primary to the secondary. Which shows a good open circuit.
I can’t explain why the 6 watts does not pass through the rx/tx relay and the HPFs.
Tommy
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 3:48?AM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
Oh !!!
Well done how much current was it drawing when you were measuring 6 Watts,
now you can put a watt meter try FM or CW see if you get 100 Watts.
If the rig draws 20 Amp and you are only getting a few Watts, then the
transformer is faulty in some way.
Order a new transformer any way, then you can move with fault finding.
If you saw 6 Watts at the output of the transformer, then why was it not
at the aerial socket?
73
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 23:27, at 23:27, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg=
[email protected]> wrote:
Andrew I removed the PA board, separated the transformer and reinstalled the
board so I could access the transformer output on the top side. See photo attached.
Tommy
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 5:42?PM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
Yes indeed,
CW or AM would be my preferred option, also you need a PEP Watt meter.
KR
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:35, at 22:35, "James Tiberius via groups.io" <nono2212000@...> wrote:
In SSB mode current draw should be low until audio is being modulated.
I would expect high current draw when using carrier modes
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Here here 100%
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On 28 Jan 2025, 20:47, at 20:47, "J.D. Barron via groups.io" <jeter.d.barron@...> wrote: Tommy, Pay careful attention to what I am saying here. If you key the radio RTTY, AM, FM, CW and you are drawing 20 amps AND if you key the mike on SSB and you draw just a couple of amps you are producing RF power. Your radio is drawing power trying to get the feed back from the forward power measurement circuit to satisfy the CPU power demand signal and increasing the drive to the point where the IC current limit is limiting the drive to limit the current draw to 20 amps. If the radio in SSB is just drawing a few amps in SSB with no audio input the current limit is not reached because the PA is just sitting there at idle current. You do have something keeping the RF power from getting as far as the forward power sensing circuit and out of the antenna jack, perhaps a broken trace, bad relay or a band pass filter out of kilter. While I think that the transformer could be bad, I suspect that it is not as they are pretty rugged. It has been a while since I have had an IC-7000 on my bench, but I have seen this kind of action from a number of radios and often it has been in the transmitter bandpass filters and either relay drivers or PIN diodes defective. I will take time to revisit the prints for the IC-7000 and see if I? can offer some suggestions, but if I were you I think that I would start checking the direct pathways through the circuits after the PA amplifiers. The output transformer is at least carrying current to the PA from the 13.8 volts and probably the secondary is doing it's job as well. There could be some shorted caps (or open for that matter) that are an issue or perhaps one of the TR relays etc. Just my opinion, but I have managed to be wrong before and I reserve that option as well.
JD KE4MD
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Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
Tommy, Pay careful attention to what I am saying here.
If you key the radio RTTY, AM, FM, CW and you are drawing 20 amps AND if you key the mike on SSB and you draw just a couple of amps you are producing RF power.
Your radio is drawing power trying to get the feed back from the forward power measurement circuit to satisfy the CPU power demand signal and increasing the drive to the point where the IC current limit is limiting the drive to limit the current draw to 20 amps.
If the radio in SSB is just drawing a few amps in SSB with no audio input the current limit is not reached because the PA is just sitting there at idle current.?
You do have something keeping the RF power from getting as far as the forward power sensing circuit and out of the antenna jack, perhaps a broken trace, bad relay or a band pass filter out of kilter.?
While I think that the transformer could be bad, I suspect that it is not as they are pretty rugged.
It has been a while since I have had an IC-7000 on my bench, but I have seen this kind of action from a number of radios and often it has been in the transmitter bandpass filters and either relay drivers or PIN diodes defective.?
I will take time to revisit the prints for the IC-7000 and see if I? can offer some suggestions, but if I were you I think that I would start checking the direct pathways through the circuits after the PA amplifiers. The output transformer is at least carrying current to the PA from the 13.8 volts and probably the secondary is doing it's job as well. There could be some shorted caps (or open for that matter) that are an issue or perhaps one of the TR relays etc.?
Just my opinion, but I have managed to be wrong before and I reserve that option as well.
?
JD
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Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
Andrew I am retired but sometimes household task take priority.? I can discuss radio things most afternoons.
I did measure the transformer output in CW mode at 28 MHz and saw 6+ watts and 20amps.
I have found that my oscilloscope is old and not accurate, but is good for a relative measurement that shows the L305 input voltage is higher than the output.? I also verified this with a VTVM. ? I can’t argue that the L305 maybe bad, but is of robust construction with the secondary windings shielded coax.? I did check continuity of the primary to the secondary.? Which shows a good open circuit.
I can’t explain why the 6 watts does not pass through the rx/tx relay and the HPFs.
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Oh !!!
Well done how much current was it drawing when you were measuring 6 Watts, now you can put a watt meter try FM or CW see if you get 100 Watts.
If the rig draws 20 Amp and you are only getting a few Watts, then the transformer is faulty in some way.
Order a new transformer any way, then you can move with fault finding.
If you saw 6 Watts at the output of the transformer, then why was it not at the aerial socket?
73
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 23:27, at 23:27, "Tommy Wooten via " <kf4rwg=[email protected]> wrote:
>Andrew
>I removed the PA board, separated the transformer and reinstalled the
>board
>so I could access the transformer output on the top side.? See photo
>attached.
>
>Tommy
>
>On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 5:42?PM Andrew Lenton via <a=
>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yes indeed,
>>
>> CW or AM would be my preferred option, also you need a PEP Watt
>meter.
>>
>> KR
>>
>> Andrew
>>
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>> On 27 Jan 2025, 22:35, at 22:35, "James Tiberius via "
>> <nono2212000=[email protected]> wrote:
>> >In SSB mode current draw should be low until audio is being
>modulated.
>> >I would expect high current draw when using carrier modes
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
Right ok
Assuming you work you tell me, 23:00 is 18:00 your end, or we could do a weekend ?
73
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 23:31, at 23:31, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg@...> wrote: Andrew, I am in Tallahassee FL. Eastern time zone. Tomorrow would be better for me. What is a good time for you? Tommy
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 6:16?PM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
How much current?
It might be better to set up a teams meeting, how far behind are you in
time, I am GMT
KR
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:42, at 22:42, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg=
[email protected]> wrote:
Andrew Yes the power supply amps does peak with the modulation. I do have a generator. I have used it when setting tx gain and output
power for vhf/uhf.
Tommy
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 5:31?PM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Tommy,
Is it still drawing 20 amp from the power supply?
When you are speak into the mic, do you have an audio dig generator?
KR
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:09, at 22:09, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg=
[email protected]> wrote:
Andrew, I have done some more measurements as you recommended. I removed the
PA board and attached a connector to the output of L305 separated
from
the
rx/tx relay and HPF. I have attached photos of the input and
output
voltages set at 10M USB with voice into the microphone. These voltages
are much less than what you said they should be. The problem must be
up
stream from the PA FETs. The oscilloscope was set at 50 millivolt per div in both photos. The
voltage was lower at the output of L305.!? But measured about 6 watts
on the external power meter into a dummy load.
The vhf/uhf works well so the driver is working.
Thanks for your help. Tommy
On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 10:55?AM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
This is a very hard radio to work on, as you cannot easily get
to
the
PA
board the way it is mounted and soldered into the pa driver
board
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while
it
is
out
you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you
can do
is prod the rear.
All 12V HF PA stages have an impedance in the milli Ohms 0.4 to 0.6
ohms,
as it draws 20A, or so, the output transformer has to match 0.6 Ohms
to a
50 Ohm, so it needs to step up the voltage.
The problem is it would be nice to lift L306 and put your Watt meter
in
there, but you have to rip the PA board out then put it back together
to
make the measurement, so impractical
To protect the PA the is a coupler to control power and to
protect
the PA
against hi SWR, however, if no power is getting past the
coupler
you
will
have full power 24/7
There could be a fault here:
But only you can trace, so measure i/p to L305, you will get a voltage,
the out put will be higher at 100 Watts 50 Ohm the voltage will
be
70.7V
RMS, so PTP on a scope 200V if you are not getting this on the
O/P
then
move back to the I/P you should get 13.8 V to 40V PTP. I have
one
of
these
in bits working before I box it back together I will make some measurements
and send back to you. as the PA in not loaded with 50 OHM, the voltage can
rise too high
You need to set a voltage on Ref or FOR to knock the power back
to
a
few
Watts then you can uses CW and safely trace you signal.
KR
Andrew G8UUG
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Sent: 26 January 2025 10:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ic7000] IC7000 no HF Transmit
This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get
to
the PA
board the way it is soldered into the pa driver.
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while
it
is
out
you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you
can do
is prod the rear.
All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as thet6drsw
20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50,
so
it
needs
to step up the voltage.
KR
Andrew
I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you
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On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" < kf4rwg@...> wrote:
Bob, Thanks for the encouragement I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting
the
problem I have with the IC7000. I have tried to trace the HF
RF
path
with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the
cable
from
the main board to the PA board. I have traced the signal and inspect
all components through to the output at ant1. The signal
seems
to
loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305
transformer.
The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct. After the signal
reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF
where
it
reaches ant1. The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts.
I
have
tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when
speaking
into the microphone. I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but
I
appreciate any and all ideas. Thanks Tommy. KF4RWG On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via groups.io <W4JFABob= [email protected]> wrote: Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us
have
this problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies.
Keep on writin' you guys.
Bob W4JFA
On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via groups.io <vk3zgw=
[email protected]> wrote:
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is
the
29th
reply I haven't gone back and read everything.
I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious
without
any ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector,
working
back to eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case
the
SO32
jack.
Good luck.
Geoff
VK3ZGW
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Oh !!!
Well done how much current was it drawing when you were measuring 6 Watts, now you can put a watt meter try FM or CW see if you get 100 Watts.
If the rig draws 20 Amp and you are only getting a few Watts, then the transformer is faulty in some way.
Order a new transformer any way, then you can move with fault finding.
If you saw 6 Watts at the output of the transformer, then why was it not at the aerial socket?
73
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 23:27, at 23:27, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg@...> wrote: Andrew I removed the PA board, separated the transformer and reinstalled the board so I could access the transformer output on the top side. See photo attached.
Tommy
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 5:42?PM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
Yes indeed,
CW or AM would be my preferred option, also you need a PEP Watt meter.
KR
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:35, at 22:35, "James Tiberius via groups.io" <nono2212000@...> wrote:
In SSB mode current draw should be low until audio is being modulated.
I would expect high current draw when using carrier modes
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Andrew, ? I am in Tallahassee FL.? Eastern time zone. Tomorrow would be better for me.? What is a good time for you? Tommy
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How much current?
It might be better to set up a teams meeting, how far behind are you in time, I am GMT
KR
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:42, at 22:42, "Tommy Wooten via " <kf4rwg=[email protected]> wrote:
>Andrew
>Yes the power supply amps does peak with the modulation.
>I do have a generator.? I have used it when setting tx gain and output
>power for vhf/uhf.
>
>Tommy
>
>
>On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 5:31?PM Andrew Lenton via <a=
>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tommy,
>>
>> Is it still drawing 20 amp from the power supply?
>>
>> When you are speak into the mic,? do you have an audio dig generator?
>>
>> KR
>>
>> Andrew
>>
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>> On 27 Jan 2025, 22:09, at 22:09, "Tommy Wooten via "
><kf4rwg=
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>> >Andrew,
>> >I have done some more measurements as you recommended.? I removed
>the
>> >PA
>> >board and attached a connector to the output of L305 separated from
>the
>> >rx/tx relay and HPF.? I have attached photos of the input and output
>> >voltages set at 10M USB with voice into the microphone.? These
>voltages
>> >are
>> >much less than what you said they should be.? The problem must be up
>> >stream
>> >from the PA FETs.
>> >The oscilloscope was set at 50 millivolt per div in both photos.
>The
>> >voltage was lower at the output of L305.!?? But measured about 6
>watts
>> >on
>> >the external power meter into a dummy load.
>> >
>> >The vhf/uhf works well so the driver is working.
>> >
>> >Thanks for your help.
>> >Tommy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 10:55?AM Andrew Lenton via <a=
>> >[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is a very hard radio to work on, as you cannot easily get to
>the
>> >PA
>> >> board the way it is mounted and soldered into the pa driver board
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it
>is
>> >out
>> >> you can inspect the components one by one.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all
>you
>> >can do
>> >> is prod the rear.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All 12V HF PA stages have an impedance in the milli Ohms 0.4 to
>0.6
>> >ohms,
>> >> as it draws 20A, or so, the output transformer has to match 0.6
>Ohms
>> >to a
>> >> 50 Ohm, so it needs to step up the voltage.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The problem is it would be nice to lift L306 and put your Watt
>meter
>> >in
>> >> there, but you have to rip the PA board out then put it back
>together
>> >to
>> >> make the measurement, so impractical
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To protect the PA the is a coupler to control power and to protect
>> >the PA
>> >> against hi SWR, however, if no power is getting past the coupler
>you
>> >will
>> >> have full power 24/7
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> There could be a fault here:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But only you can trace, so measure i/p to L305, you will get a
>> >voltage,
>> >> the out put will be higher at 100 Watts 50 Ohm the voltage will be
>> >70.7V
>> >> RMS, so PTP on a scope 200V if you are not getting this on the O/P
>> >then
>> >> move back to the I/P you should get 13.8 V? to 40V PTP. I have one
>of
>> >these
>> >> in bits working before I box it back together I will make some
>> >measurements
>> >> and send back to you. as the PA in not loaded with 50 OHM, the
>> >voltage can
>> >> rise too high
>> >>
>> >> You need to set a voltage on Ref or FOR to knock the power back to
>a
>> >few
>> >> Watts then you can uses CW and safely trace you signal.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> KR
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Andrew G8UUG
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew
>Lenton
>> >> Sent: 26 January 2025 10:00
>> >> To: [email protected]
>> >> Subject: Re: [ic7000] IC7000 no HF Transmit
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get to
>> >the PA
>> >> board the way it is soldered into the pa driver.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it
>is
>> >out
>> >> you can inspect the components one by one.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all
>you
>> >can do
>> >> is prod the rear.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as
>> >thet6drsw
>> >> 20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50, so
>it
>> >needs
>> >> to step up the voltage.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> KR
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Andrew
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ?Get BlueMail for Android ?
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via " <
>> >> kf4rwg=[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Bob, Thanks for the encouragement
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting the
>> >>
>> >> >problem I have with the IC7000.? I have tried to trace the HF RF
>> >path
>> >>
>> >> >with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the
>cable
>> >from
>> >>
>> >> >the main board to the PA board.? I have traced the signal and
>> >inspect
>> >>
>> >> >all components through to the output at ant1.? The signal seems
>to
>> >>
>> >> >loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305
>transformer.
>> >>
>> >> >The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct.? After the
>> >signal
>> >>
>> >> >reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF where
>it
>> >>
>> >> >reaches ant1.? The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts.? I
>> >have
>> >>
>> >> >tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when
>speaking
>> >>
>> >> >into the microphone.
>> >>
>> >> >I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but I
>> >>
>> >> >appreciate any and all ideas.
>> >>
>> >> >Thanks
>> >>
>> >> >Tommy. KF4RWG
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via <W4JFABob=
>> >>
>> >> >[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >> Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us
>have
>> >>
>> >> >this
>> >>
>> >> >> problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies.
>> >>
>> >> >> Keep on writin' you guys.
>> >>
>> >> >> Bob W4JFA
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via <vk3zgw=
>> >>
>> >> >> [email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>> Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is
>the
>> >29th
>> >>
>> >> >>> reply I haven't gone back and read everything.
>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> >> >>> I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious
>> >without
>> >>
>> >> >any
>> >>
>> >> >>> ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector,
>working
>> >>
>> >> >back to
>> >>
>> >> >>> eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case the
>> >SO32
>> >>
>> >> >jack.
>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> >> >>> Good luck.
>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> >> >>> Geoff
>> >>
>> >> >>> VK3ZGW
>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Andrew I removed the PA board, separated the transformer and reinstalled the board so I could access the transformer output on the top side.? See photo attached.
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CW or AM would be my preferred option, also you need a PEP Watt meter.
KR
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:35, at 22:35, "James Tiberius via " <nono2212000=[email protected]> wrote:
>In SSB mode current draw should be low until audio is being modulated.
>I would expect high current draw when using carrier modes
>
>
>
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Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
How much current?
It might be better to set up a teams meeting, how far behind are you in time, I am GMT
KR
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:42, at 22:42, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg@...> wrote: Andrew Yes the power supply amps does peak with the modulation. I do have a generator. I have used it when setting tx gain and output power for vhf/uhf.
Tommy
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 5:31?PM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Tommy,
Is it still drawing 20 amp from the power supply?
When you are speak into the mic, do you have an audio dig generator?
KR
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:09, at 22:09, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg=
[email protected]> wrote:
Andrew, I have done some more measurements as you recommended. I removed the
PA board and attached a connector to the output of L305 separated from the
rx/tx relay and HPF. I have attached photos of the input and output voltages set at 10M USB with voice into the microphone. These voltages
are much less than what you said they should be. The problem must be up stream from the PA FETs. The oscilloscope was set at 50 millivolt per div in both photos. The
voltage was lower at the output of L305.!? But measured about 6 watts
on the external power meter into a dummy load.
The vhf/uhf works well so the driver is working.
Thanks for your help. Tommy
On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 10:55?AM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
This is a very hard radio to work on, as you cannot easily get to the
PA
board the way it is mounted and soldered into the pa driver board
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is
out
you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you
can do
is prod the rear.
All 12V HF PA stages have an impedance in the milli Ohms 0.4 to 0.6
ohms,
as it draws 20A, or so, the output transformer has to match 0.6 Ohms
to a
50 Ohm, so it needs to step up the voltage.
The problem is it would be nice to lift L306 and put your Watt meter
in
there, but you have to rip the PA board out then put it back together
to
make the measurement, so impractical
To protect the PA the is a coupler to control power and to protect the PA
against hi SWR, however, if no power is getting past the coupler you
will
have full power 24/7
There could be a fault here:
But only you can trace, so measure i/p to L305, you will get a voltage,
the out put will be higher at 100 Watts 50 Ohm the voltage will be 70.7V
RMS, so PTP on a scope 200V if you are not getting this on the O/P then
move back to the I/P you should get 13.8 V to 40V PTP. I have one of
these
in bits working before I box it back together I will make some measurements
and send back to you. as the PA in not loaded with 50 OHM, the voltage can
rise too high
You need to set a voltage on Ref or FOR to knock the power back to a
few
Watts then you can uses CW and safely trace you signal.
KR
Andrew G8UUG
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew Lenton
Sent: 26 January 2025 10:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ic7000] IC7000 no HF Transmit
This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get to the PA
board the way it is soldered into the pa driver.
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it
is
out
you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you
can do
is prod the rear.
All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as thet6drsw
20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50, so it
needs
to step up the voltage.
KR
Andrew
I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you
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On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" < kf4rwg@...> wrote:
Bob, Thanks for the encouragement I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting the problem I have with the IC7000. I have tried to trace the HF RF path
with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the
cable
from
the main board to the PA board. I have traced the signal and inspect
all components through to the output at ant1. The signal seems
to
loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305
transformer.
The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct. After the signal
reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF where
it
reaches ant1. The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts. I have
tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when
speaking
into the microphone. I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but I appreciate any and all ideas. Thanks Tommy. KF4RWG On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via groups.io <W4JFABob= [email protected]> wrote: Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us
have
this problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies.
Keep on writin' you guys.
Bob W4JFA
On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via groups.io <vk3zgw=
[email protected]> wrote:
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is
the
29th
reply I haven't gone back and read everything.
I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious
without
any ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector,
working
back to eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case the
SO32
jack.
Good luck.
Geoff
VK3ZGW
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Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
Yes indeed,
CW or AM would be my preferred option, also you need a PEP Watt meter.
KR
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:35, at 22:35, "James Tiberius via groups.io" <nono2212000@...> wrote: In SSB mode current draw should be low until audio is being modulated. I would expect high current draw when using carrier modes
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Andrew Yes the power supply amps does peak with the modulation. I do have a generator.? I have used it when setting tx gain and output power for vhf/uhf.
Tommy
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Hi Tommy,
Is it still drawing 20 amp from the power supply?
When you are speak into the mic,? do you have an audio dig generator?
KR
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:09, at 22:09, "Tommy Wooten via " <kf4rwg=[email protected]> wrote:
>Andrew,
>I have done some more measurements as you recommended.? I removed the
>PA
>board and attached a connector to the output of L305 separated from the
>rx/tx relay and HPF.? I have attached photos of the input and output
>voltages set at 10M USB with voice into the microphone.? These voltages
>are
>much less than what you said they should be.? The problem must be up
>stream
>from the PA FETs.
>The oscilloscope was set at 50 millivolt per div in both photos.? The
>voltage was lower at the output of L305.!?? But measured about 6 watts
>on
>the external power meter into a dummy load.
>
>The vhf/uhf works well so the driver is working.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>Tommy
>
>
>
>On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 10:55?AM Andrew Lenton via <a=
>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This is a very hard radio to work on, as you cannot easily get to the
>PA
>> board the way it is mounted and soldered into the pa driver board
>>
>>
>>
>> I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is
>out
>> you can inspect the components one by one.
>>
>>
>>
>> This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you
>can do
>> is prod the rear.
>>
>>
>>
>> All 12V HF PA stages have an impedance in the milli Ohms 0.4 to? 0.6
>ohms,
>> as it draws 20A, or so, the output transformer has to match 0.6 Ohms
>to a
>> 50 Ohm, so it needs to step up the voltage.
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem is it would be nice to lift L306 and put your Watt meter
>in
>> there, but you have to rip the PA board out then put it back together
>to
>> make the measurement, so impractical
>>
>>
>>
>> To protect the PA the is a coupler to control power and to protect
>the PA
>> against hi SWR, however, if no power is getting past the coupler you
>will
>> have full power 24/7
>>
>>
>>
>> There could be a fault here:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But only you can trace, so measure i/p to L305, you will get a
>voltage,
>> the out put will be higher at 100 Watts 50 Ohm the voltage will be
>70.7V
>> RMS, so PTP on a scope 200V if you are not getting this on the O/P
>then
>> move back to the I/P you should get 13.8 V? to 40V PTP. I have one of
>these
>> in bits working before I box it back together I will make some
>measurements
>> and send back to you. as the PA in not loaded with 50 OHM, the
>voltage can
>> rise too high
>>
>> You need to set a voltage on Ref or FOR to knock the power back to a
>few
>> Watts then you can uses CW and safely trace you signal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> KR
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew G8UUG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew Lenton
>> Sent: 26 January 2025 10:00
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [ic7000] IC7000 no HF Transmit
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get to
>the PA
>> board the way it is soldered into the pa driver.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is
>out
>> you can inspect the components one by one.
>>
>>
>>
>> This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you
>can do
>> is prod the rear.
>>
>>
>>
>> All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as
>thet6drsw
>> 20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50, so it
>needs
>> to step up the voltage.
>>
>>
>>
>> KR
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you
>>
>>
>>
>> ?Get BlueMail for Android ?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via " <
>> kf4rwg=[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Bob, Thanks for the encouragement
>>
>> >
>>
>> >I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting the
>>
>> >problem I have with the IC7000.? I have tried to trace the HF RF
>path
>>
>> >with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the cable
>from
>>
>> >the main board to the PA board.? I have traced the signal and
>inspect
>>
>> >all components through to the output at ant1.? The signal seems to
>>
>> >loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305 transformer.
>>
>> >The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct.? After the
>signal
>>
>> >reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF where it
>>
>> >reaches ant1.? The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts.? I
>have
>>
>> >tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when speaking
>>
>> >into the microphone.
>>
>> >I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but I
>>
>> >appreciate any and all ideas.
>>
>> >Thanks
>>
>> >Tommy. KF4RWG
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via <W4JFABob=
>>
>> >[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us have
>>
>> >this
>>
>> >> problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies.
>>
>> >> Keep on writin' you guys.
>>
>> >> Bob W4JFA
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via <vk3zgw=
>>
>> >> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is the
>29th
>>
>> >>> reply I haven't gone back and read everything.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious
>without
>>
>> >any
>>
>> >>> ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector, working
>>
>> >back to
>>
>> >>> eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case the
>SO32
>>
>> >jack.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Good luck.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Geoff
>>
>> >>> VK3ZGW
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Hi as you removed the PA board how did you then power it up, did you have ribbon extensions?
KR
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:09, at 22:09, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg@...> wrote: Andrew, I have done some more measurements as you recommended. I removed the PA board and attached a connector to the output of L305 separated from the rx/tx relay and HPF. I have attached photos of the input and output voltages set at 10M USB with voice into the microphone. These voltages are much less than what you said they should be. The problem must be up stream from the PA FETs. The oscilloscope was set at 50 millivolt per div in both photos. The voltage was lower at the output of L305.!? But measured about 6 watts on the external power meter into a dummy load.
The vhf/uhf works well so the driver is working.
Thanks for your help. Tommy
On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 10:55?AM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
This is a very hard radio to work on, as you cannot easily get to the PA
board the way it is mounted and soldered into the pa driver board
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out
you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do
is prod the rear.
All 12V HF PA stages have an impedance in the milli Ohms 0.4 to 0.6 ohms,
as it draws 20A, or so, the output transformer has to match 0.6 Ohms to a
50 Ohm, so it needs to step up the voltage.
The problem is it would be nice to lift L306 and put your Watt meter in
there, but you have to rip the PA board out then put it back together to
make the measurement, so impractical
To protect the PA the is a coupler to control power and to protect the PA
against hi SWR, however, if no power is getting past the coupler you will
have full power 24/7
There could be a fault here:
But only you can trace, so measure i/p to L305, you will get a voltage,
the out put will be higher at 100 Watts 50 Ohm the voltage will be 70.7V
RMS, so PTP on a scope 200V if you are not getting this on the O/P then
move back to the I/P you should get 13.8 V to 40V PTP. I have one of these
in bits working before I box it back together I will make some measurements
and send back to you. as the PA in not loaded with 50 OHM, the voltage can
rise too high
You need to set a voltage on Ref or FOR to knock the power back to a few
Watts then you can uses CW and safely trace you signal.
KR
Andrew G8UUG
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew Lenton Sent: 26 January 2025 10:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ic7000] IC7000 no HF Transmit
This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get to the PA
board the way it is soldered into the pa driver.
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out
you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do
is prod the rear.
All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as thet6drsw
20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50, so it needs
to step up the voltage.
KR
Andrew
I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you
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On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" < kf4rwg@...> wrote:
Bob, Thanks for the encouragement I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting the problem I have with the IC7000. I have tried to trace the HF RF path
with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the cable from
the main board to the PA board. I have traced the signal and inspect
all components through to the output at ant1. The signal seems to loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305 transformer. The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct. After the signal
reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF where it reaches ant1. The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts. I have
tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when speaking into the microphone. I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but I appreciate any and all ideas. Thanks Tommy. KF4RWG On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via groups.io <W4JFABob= [email protected]> wrote: Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us have
this problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies.
Keep on writin' you guys.
Bob W4JFA
On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via groups.io <vk3zgw=
[email protected]> wrote:
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is the
29th
reply I haven't gone back and read everything.
I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious
without
any ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector, working
back to eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case the
SO32
jack.
Good luck.
Geoff
VK3ZGW
|
Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
In SSB mode current draw should be low until audio is being modulated.
I would expect high current draw when using carrier modes?
|
Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
Hi Tommy,
Is it still drawing 20 amp from the power supply?
When you are speak into the mic,? do you have an audio dig generator?
KR
Andrew
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On 27 Jan 2025, 22:09, at 22:09, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg@...> wrote: Andrew, I have done some more measurements as you recommended. I removed the PA board and attached a connector to the output of L305 separated from the rx/tx relay and HPF. I have attached photos of the input and output voltages set at 10M USB with voice into the microphone. These voltages are much less than what you said they should be. The problem must be up stream from the PA FETs. The oscilloscope was set at 50 millivolt per div in both photos. The voltage was lower at the output of L305.!? But measured about 6 watts on the external power meter into a dummy load.
The vhf/uhf works well so the driver is working.
Thanks for your help. Tommy
On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 10:55?AM Andrew Lenton via groups.io <a= [email protected]> wrote:
This is a very hard radio to work on, as you cannot easily get to the PA
board the way it is mounted and soldered into the pa driver board
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out
you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do
is prod the rear.
All 12V HF PA stages have an impedance in the milli Ohms 0.4 to 0.6 ohms,
as it draws 20A, or so, the output transformer has to match 0.6 Ohms to a
50 Ohm, so it needs to step up the voltage.
The problem is it would be nice to lift L306 and put your Watt meter in
there, but you have to rip the PA board out then put it back together to
make the measurement, so impractical
To protect the PA the is a coupler to control power and to protect the PA
against hi SWR, however, if no power is getting past the coupler you will
have full power 24/7
There could be a fault here:
But only you can trace, so measure i/p to L305, you will get a voltage,
the out put will be higher at 100 Watts 50 Ohm the voltage will be 70.7V
RMS, so PTP on a scope 200V if you are not getting this on the O/P then
move back to the I/P you should get 13.8 V to 40V PTP. I have one of these
in bits working before I box it back together I will make some measurements
and send back to you. as the PA in not loaded with 50 OHM, the voltage can
rise too high
You need to set a voltage on Ref or FOR to knock the power back to a few
Watts then you can uses CW and safely trace you signal.
KR
Andrew G8UUG
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew Lenton Sent: 26 January 2025 10:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ic7000] IC7000 no HF Transmit
This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get to the PA
board the way it is soldered into the pa driver.
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out
you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do
is prod the rear.
All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as thet6drsw
20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50, so it needs
to step up the voltage.
KR
Andrew
I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you
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On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" < kf4rwg@...> wrote:
Bob, Thanks for the encouragement I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting the problem I have with the IC7000. I have tried to trace the HF RF path
with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the cable from
the main board to the PA board. I have traced the signal and inspect
all components through to the output at ant1. The signal seems to loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305 transformer. The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct. After the signal
reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF where it reaches ant1. The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts. I have
tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when speaking into the microphone. I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but I appreciate any and all ideas. Thanks Tommy. KF4RWG On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via groups.io <W4JFABob= [email protected]> wrote: Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us have
this problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies.
Keep on writin' you guys.
Bob W4JFA
On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via groups.io <vk3zgw=
[email protected]> wrote:
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is the
29th
reply I haven't gone back and read everything.
I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious
without
any ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector, working
back to eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case the
SO32
jack.
Good luck.
Geoff
VK3ZGW
|
Re: IC7000 no HF Transmit
Andrew, I have done some more measurements as you recommended.? I removed the PA board and attached a connector to the output of L305 separated from the rx/tx relay and HPF.? I have attached photos of the input and output voltages set at 10M USB with voice into the microphone.? These voltages are much less than what you said they should be.? The problem must be up stream from the PA FETs. ? The oscilloscope was set at 50 millivolt per div in both photos.? The voltage was lower at the output of L305.!?? But measured about 6 watts on the external power meter into a dummy load.
The vhf/uhf works well so the driver is working.
Thanks for your help. Tommy
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This is a very hard radio to work on, as you cannot easily get to the PA board the way it is mounted and soldered into the pa driver board ? I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out you can inspect the components one by one. ? This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do is prod the rear. ? All 12V HF PA stages have an impedance in the milli Ohms 0.4 to ?0.6 ohms, as it draws 20A, or so, the output transformer has to match 0.6 Ohms ?to a 50 Ohm, so it needs to step up the voltage. ? The problem is it would be nice to lift L306 and put your Watt meter in there, but you have to rip the PA board out then put it back together to make the measurement, so impractical ? To protect the PA the is a coupler to control power and to protect the PA against hi SWR, however, if no power is getting past the coupler you will have full power 24/7 ? There could be a fault here: ? 
? But only you can trace, so measure i/p to L305, you will get a voltage, the out put will be higher at 100 Watts 50 Ohm the voltage will be 70.7V RMS, so PTP on a scope 200V if you are not getting this on the O/P then move back to the I/P you should get 13.8 V ?to 40V PTP. I have one of these in bits working before I box it back together I will make some measurements and send back to you. as the PA in not loaded with 50 OHM, the voltage can rise too high 
You need to set a voltage on Ref or FOR to knock the power back to a few Watts then you can uses CW and safely trace you signal. ? 
? KR ? Andrew G8UUG ? ? ? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew Lenton Sent: 26 January 2025 10:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ic7000] IC7000 no HF Transmit ? This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get to the PA board the way it is soldered into the pa driver. ? I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out you can inspect the components one by one. ? This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do is prod the rear. ? All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as thet6drsw 20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50, so it needs to step up the voltage. ? KR ? Andrew ? I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you ? ?Get BlueMail for Android ? ? On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via " <kf4rwg@...> wrote: >Bob, Thanks for the encouragement >? >I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting the >problem I have with the IC7000.? I have tried to trace the HF RF path >with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the cable from >the main board to the PA board.? I have traced the signal and inspect >all components through to the output at ant1.? The signal seems to >loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305 transformer.? >The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct.? After the signal >reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF where it >reaches ant1.? The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts.? I have >tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when speaking >into the microphone. >I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but I >appreciate any and all ideas. >Thanks >Tommy. KF4RWG >? >? >? >On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via <W4JFABob= >[email protected]> wrote: >? >> Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us have >this >> problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies. >> Keep on writin' you guys. >> Bob W4JFA >>? >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via <vk3zgw= >> [email protected]> wrote: >>? >>> Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is the 29th >>> reply I haven't gone back and read everything. >>>? >>> I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious without >any >>> ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector, working >back to >>> eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case the SO32 >jack. >>>? >>> Good luck. >>>? >>> Geoff >>> VK3ZGW >>>? >>>? >>? >>? >? >? >? ? ? ?
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If you do remove the PA board to get to L305 to remove it, can you do a ringer test on the transformer to see if it has any shorted turns? With the level of power normally passing through L305 it is a possibility. If then the results are not conclusive, maybe someone in the Group that has a PA board can test their L305 and then compare waveforms for the number of rings above the same cutoff voltage.
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This is a very hard radio to work on, as you cannot easily get to the PA board the way it is mounted and soldered into the pa driver board ? I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out you can inspect the components one by one. ? This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do is prod the rear. ? All 12V HF PA stages have an impedance in the milli Ohms 0.4 to ?0.6 ohms, as it draws 20A, or so, the output transformer has to match 0.6 Ohms ?to a 50 Ohm, so it needs to step up the voltage. ? The problem is it would be nice to lift L306 and put your Watt meter in there, but you have to rip the PA board out then put it back together to make the measurement, so impractical ? To protect the PA the is a coupler to control power and to protect the PA against hi SWR, however, if no power is getting past the coupler you will have full power 24/7 ? There could be a fault here: ? 
? But only you can trace, so measure i/p to L305, you will get a voltage, the out put will be higher at 100 Watts 50 Ohm the voltage will be 70.7V RMS, so PTP on a scope 200V if you are not getting this on the O/P then move back to the I/P you should get 13.8 V ?to 40V PTP. I have one of these in bits working before I box it back together I will make some measurements and send back to you. as the PA in not loaded with 50 OHM, the voltage can rise too high 
You need to set a voltage on Ref or FOR to knock the power back to a few Watts then you can uses CW and safely trace you signal. ? 
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew Lenton Sent: 26 January 2025 10:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ic7000] IC7000 no HF Transmit ? This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get to the PA board the way it is soldered into the pa driver. ? I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out you can inspect the components one by one. ? This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do is prod the rear. ? All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as thet6drsw 20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50, so it needs to step up the voltage. ? KR ? Andrew ? I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you ? ?Get BlueMail for Android ? ? On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg@...> wrote: >Bob, Thanks for the encouragement >? >I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting the >problem I have with the IC7000.? I have tried to trace the HF RF path >with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the cable from >the main board to the PA board.? I have traced the signal and inspect >all components through to the output at ant1.? The signal seems to >loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305 transformer.? >The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct.? After the signal >reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF where it >reaches ant1.? The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts.? I have >tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when speaking >into the microphone. >I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but I >appreciate any and all ideas. >Thanks >Tommy. KF4RWG >? >? >? >On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via groups.io <W4JFABob= >[email protected]> wrote: >? >> Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us have >this >> problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies. >> Keep on writin' you guys. >> Bob W4JFA >>? >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via groups.io <vk3zgw= >> [email protected]> wrote: >>? >>> Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is the 29th >>> reply I haven't gone back and read everything. >>>? >>> I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious without >any >>> ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector, working >back to >>> eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case the SO32 >jack. >>>? >>> Good luck. >>>? >>> Geoff >>> VK3ZGW >>>? >>>? >>? >>? >? >? >? ? ? ? ?
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This is a very hard radio to work on, as you can not easily get to the PA board the way it is soldered into the pa driver.
I would remove the PA board, replace L305, for starters while it is out you can inspect the components one by one.
This unit does not lend itself to test and measurements, as all you can do is prod the rear.
All HF PA stages have an impedance in the mOhms .1 .2 ohms as thet6drsw 20A, the out put transformer has to match .1 of an ohm to 50, so it needs to step up the voltage.
KR
Andrew
I have a wiring unit, I can make some measurements for you
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On 26 Jan 2025, 01:32, at 01:32, "Tommy Wooten via groups.io" <kf4rwg@...> wrote: Bob, Thanks for the encouragement
I have considered all of the suggestions for troubleshooting the problem I have with the IC7000. I have tried to trace the HF RF path with an oscilloscope from where the signal comes through the cable from the main board to the PA board. I have traced the signal and inspect all components through to the output at ant1. The signal seems to loose its punch where the PA FETs combine into the L305 transformer. The bias setting of the PA FETs seem to be correct. After the signal reaches the rx/rx relay it passes through the selected HPF where it reaches ant1. The resulting signal is only a few milliwatts. I have tried to keep the setting in SSB and I see modulation when speaking into the microphone. I know it is difficult to troubleshoot the issue remotely but I appreciate any and all ideas. Thanks Tommy. KF4RWG
On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 6:31?PM Bob via groups.io <W4JFABob= [email protected]> wrote:
Well this is #30 then. That's OK because when the rest of us have this
problem we'll appreciate every one of these replies. Keep on writin' you guys. Bob W4JFA
On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 4:40?PM Geoff via groups.io <vk3zgw= [email protected]> wrote:
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but as this is the 29th reply I haven't gone back and read everything.
I always go first to where the effect of a fault is obvious without any
ambiguity, in this case the rf output ie Ant 1 connector, working back to
eliminate ALL the stages involved, including in this case the SO32 jack.
Good luck.
Geoff VK3ZGW
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