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Re: PL tone missing from Data port

 

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To Mark K5LXP:

Thanks for your response.? Your approach of connecting to the mic input will work, but means that I would have to build or buy the interface (I sold my Rig Blaster years ago). ?

I have used the 7000/9600/SignaLink combo with excellent results on VARA FM and Winlink, but the combo doesn't work through the repeater without the PL. You have convinced me that the 7000 won't do what I want without additional, significant expense.

73,
Tony KF3AK
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What I said in my first post and other have said, PL IS GENERATED IN THE RADIO…..

No matter what you use to generate audio and key the radio, PL is generated in the last item in your signal chain, the radio.

If you want significant expense, go to Walmart and buy a doorbell button for $5 and key the radio and open the repeater.

Is the SignaLink on the correct pin for HF or VHF ? See page 12 of the 7000 book.

Pin 3 or 7 on ACC or pin 3 of the data socket.




Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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Tony, apparently you’ve been used to using?
HF and simplex FM for point to point traffic, which no PL is required, but when using a FM repeater a PL tone is required for voice or digital traffic.
Now days ,and for a long time, all programmable radio’s have the capability to have the PL programmed into each FM channel. I hope you get your problem solved.

73,


On Dec 1, 2021, at 09:00, Robert Blackburn via <kc5iaj.extra@...> wrote:

You guys are confused, the audio from your computer doesn’t have anything to do with the PL tone. The PL tone is generated in the radio, the FM channel used for the repeater must be preprogrammed with the PL tone.
Regardless of what device you use, ie
Signalink Rig Blaster all they do is pass the computer audio to the radio and key up the radio.
KC5IAJ?

On Dec 1, 2021, at 08:26, kf3ak@... wrote:

To Mark K5LXP:

Thanks for your response.? Your approach of connecting to the mic input will work, but means that I would have to build or buy the interface (I sold my Rig Blaster years ago). ?

I have used the 7000/9600/SignaLink combo with excellent results on VARA FM and Winlink, but the combo doesn't work through the repeater without the PL. You have convinced me that the 7000 won't do what I want without additional, significant expense.

73,
Tony KF3AK


Re: PL tone missing from Data port

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You guys are confused, the audio from your computer doesn’t have anything to do with the PL tone. The PL tone is generated in the radio, the FM channel used for the repeater must be preprogrammed with the PL tone.
Regardless of what device you use, ie
Signalink Rig Blaster all they do is pass the computer audio to the radio and key up the radio.
KC5IAJ?

On Dec 1, 2021, at 08:26, kf3ak@... wrote:

To Mark K5LXP:

Thanks for your response.? Your approach of connecting to the mic input will work, but means that I would have to build or buy the interface (I sold my Rig Blaster years ago). ?

I have used the 7000/9600/SignaLink combo with excellent results on VARA FM and Winlink, but the combo doesn't work through the repeater without the PL. You have convinced me that the 7000 won't do what I want without additional, significant expense.

73,
Tony KF3AK


Re: PL tone missing from Data port

 

To Mark K5LXP:

Thanks for your response.? Your approach of connecting to the mic input will work, but means that I would have to build or buy the interface (I sold my Rig Blaster years ago). ?

I have used the 7000/9600/SignaLink combo with excellent results on VARA FM and Winlink, but the combo doesn't work through the repeater without the PL. You have convinced me that the 7000 won't do what I want without additional, significant expense.

73,
Tony KF3AK


Re: PL tone missing from Data port

 

o R Norris:

Thanks for your response.? I have not made clear the need for the SignaLink.? When sending a digital message through the 6-pin data port, the modulation audio and PTT are generated in the SignaLink.? Thus, the PL must be included in that transmission to activate the repeater.

The mic path works FB, as it routes the PL tone with voice audio.

73,
Tony KF3AK


Re: PL tone missing from Data port

 

Our local emcomm group practices sending digital messages through the local VHF-FM repeater.
That means you're not using 9600 baud data, probably AFSK packet or other soundcard data mode.? ?So that translates you're not bound to using a data port.? If you go in through the mic jack you should be able to encode a PL tone.

Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM


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PL (generated in the 7000) is sent out with your transmitted signal to open the repeater receiver.

I can’t think of any need to route it through a Signalink.

Computer keys the Signalink that keys the 7000. 7000 sends PL (subduable tone).

Try setting the tone and open the repeater, with just the radio.

On Nov 29, 2021, at 08:47, kf3ak@... wrote:

Hello all.? I am new to the group and have an issue with my IC-7000.? Specifically, I cannot find a way to route the TX PL tone through the 6-pin mini-DIN Data port in FM mode (I've tried TONE and TSQL with no joy). ?

Why do I care?? Our local emcomm group practices sending digital messages through the local VHF-FM repeater.? The repeater requires a PL tone to retransmit/repeat.? Without the PL tone, I have nothing to offer but dead air.

It has been suggested that I use the 13-pin ACC port instead of the mini-DIN.? I don't have the cable to connect that port to my SignaLink; before I buy the cable, I'd like to know that it will pass the PL tone.? Further, the ACC port presents another issue ("hot mic") that I would like to avoid.

To cut to the chase:
1. Does anyone know how to get the 7000 Data port to pass the TX PL tone in FM mode? ?
2. If the Data port is a no-go, does the ACC port pass the TX PL tone?

TNX,
Tony KF3AK


PL tone missing from Data port

 

Hello all.? I am new to the group and have an issue with my IC-7000.? Specifically, I cannot find a way to route the TX PL tone through the 6-pin mini-DIN Data port in FM mode (I've tried TONE and TSQL with no joy). ?

Why do I care?? Our local emcomm group practices sending digital messages through the local VHF-FM repeater.? The repeater requires a PL tone to retransmit/repeat.? Without the PL tone, I have nothing to offer but dead air.

It has been suggested that I use the 13-pin ACC port instead of the mini-DIN.? I don't have the cable to connect that port to my SignaLink; before I buy the cable, I'd like to know that it will pass the PL tone.? Further, the ACC port presents another issue ("hot mic") that I would like to avoid.

To cut to the chase:
1. Does anyone know how to get the 7000 Data port to pass the TX PL tone in FM mode? ?
2. If the Data port is a no-go, does the ACC port pass the TX PL tone?

TNX,
Tony KF3AK


Re: Display

 

I am so thankful for all of the tips and suggestions by this group. Don't have any of these problems yet but there is always a first time.

73es Richard W3RLO


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I have sprayed the associated ribbon cables with contact cleaner and has been running for the last four days and still going so hope this is the last of the problem.
73 Morrie

On 25/11/2021 2:17 pm, J.D. Barron wrote:

Have you tried the video output to see if that is working?


Re: No power up

 

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Thanks for the good advice everyone and details will check into this and post my findings.

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W1JCW

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of J.D. Barron
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 10:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ic7000] No power up

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Sounds like the dreaded Click - Click failure where a cap shorts in the control head and drops the CPU that has to communicate with the digital unit in the main unit.?
Sometimes this is an easy fix and sometimes not.?
First try cleaning the panel connectors (you may be lucky).
There are two regulators in the head that provide the +5 and 3.3 volts for the head processor.
What happens is you get the power up signal to pull in the relay and then the CPU in the main unit has a few seconds to get a serial signal from the head to turn the rest of the radio on. Without this signal from the head the relay drops out.
This is repairable and is sometimes easy and sometimes not.
Often it is a cap in the regulator circuit that has shorted and this does require some troubleshooting and can (as I have learned) relatively easy or (in my one case) impossible).
If you Google IC-7000 click - click you should get a number of hits that will guide you in your endeavors.


Re: Display

 

I've had good success when using DeoxIT D5 for cleaning connections.

Jack - W9JH


Re: No power up

 

Sounds like the dreaded Click - Click failure where a cap shorts in the control head and drops the CPU that has to communicate with the digital unit in the main unit.?
Sometimes this is an easy fix and sometimes not.?
First try cleaning the panel connectors (you may be lucky).
There are two regulators in the head that provide the +5 and 3.3 volts for the head processor.
What happens is you get the power up signal to pull in the relay and then the CPU in the main unit has a few seconds to get a serial signal from the head to turn the rest of the radio on. Without this signal from the head the relay drops out.
This is repairable and is sometimes easy and sometimes not.
Often it is a cap in the regulator circuit that has shorted and this does require some troubleshooting and can (as I have learned) relatively easy or (in my one case) impossible).
If you Google IC-7000 click - click you should get a number of hits that will guide you in your endeavors.


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I use DeOxit on all connectors whenever I work on a radio or other electronics.?



Widely used in pro recording studios and other locations where connections are critical.



It is a real problem solver and preventer.?

73
W6RH


No power up

 

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Have a late production 7K and use this mobile in my truck.

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Even when I don’t drive this truck often, I fire up the rig often and run it.

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Now I hear the relay click inside but there is no power up.

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Any ideas?

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W1JCW

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Re: Display

Charles & Sandra Cohen
 

I have found that removing the front panel, then using Q-Tips and alcohol to clean the mating contacts on both the panel AND the transceiver chassis will fix this and other similar problems.? The contact surface area is so small that the slightest amount of dust, muck, etc., can cause problems.? I've had my 7K since 2009 (moving it between a house, car, RV, and boat over the years) and have had to do this a few times.
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73,
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Bob, WB2DWD
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FWIW --

That was my experience with an IC-706mk2, which uses the same "remote cable" connectors.? Q-Tips and alcohol is the first thing to try.

.? ? ? ? ?Charles / va7cpc

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Re: Display

 

Have you tried the video output to see if that is working?


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Hi Hoffy I sprayed some contact cleaner down the cables where I could as they were tight and I didn't want to do more damage as I have no spares.Appears to be working at the moment will just have to wait
Morrie

On 24/11/2021 4:51 pm, Hoffy wrote:
Hi Morrie, I had a similar problem with my 7000, I ended up replacing the ribbons but you might want to try just sliding them around a little within the sockets without actually pulling them out. These ribbons are all getting a bit long in the tooth now and by replacing all of them, most of my intermittent problems vanished.

73s & Good Luck,

Hoffy - VK4OY//

On 24/11/2021 12:05, ZL2AAA wrote:
Hi All My ic7000 is not showing anything on the display no frequency etc.It does receive the squelch works and if you are lucky you can sometimes find a frequency that is in use and copy the audio.This has happened before after it was left turned for most of the day but is now becoming more frequent.If it does come on by sliding the font panel off I can measure 3.3 v on one pin on the radio side.Any help appreciated
73 Morrie





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Hi Bob Thanks for the suggestion unfortunately no cigar
Morrie

On 25/11/2021 2:36 am, Robert Seastream wrote:

Greetings:

I have found that removing the front panel, then using Q-Tips and alcohol to clean the mating contacts on both the panel AND the transceiver chassis will fix this and other similar problems.? The contact surface area is so small that the slightest amount of dust, muck, etc., can cause problems.? I've had my 7K since 2009 (moving it between a house, car, RV, and boat over the years) and have had to do this a few times.

73,

Bob, WB2DWD

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 9:05 PM ZL2AAA <zl2aaa@...> wrote:
Hi All My ic7000 is not showing anything on the display no frequency
etc.It does receive the squelch works and if you are lucky you can
sometimes find a frequency that is in use and copy the audio.This has
happened before after it was left turned for most of the day but is now
becoming more frequent.If it does come on by sliding the font panel off
I can measure 3.3 v on one pin on the radio side.Any help appreciated
73 Morrie







Re: Display

 

Greetings:

I have found that removing the front panel, then using Q-Tips and alcohol to clean the mating contacts on both the panel AND the transceiver chassis will fix this and other similar problems.? The contact surface area is so small that the slightest amount of dust, muck, etc., can cause problems.? I've had my 7K since 2009 (moving it between a house, car, RV, and boat over the years) and have had to do this a few times.

73,

Bob, WB2DWD

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 9:05 PM ZL2AAA <zl2aaa@...> wrote:
Hi All My ic7000 is not showing anything on the display no frequency
etc.It does receive the squelch works and if you are lucky you can
sometimes find a frequency that is in use and copy the audio.This has
happened before after it was left turned for most of the day but is now
becoming more frequent.If it does come on by sliding the font panel off
I can measure 3.3 v on one pin on the radio side.Any help appreciated
73 Morrie