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Re: [hammond_zone] To all concerned, I`m sorry
I'm primarily a pianist and just bought a Hammond Super B and a leslie 410.
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I'm very aware of the love that many hammond players feel for the B3/leslie122 combination. But some people (like myself) only want to practice on a similar setup or situation to the B3/122. So you really can't rule all this other gear out because it's not as heavy, it's more versatile, and not nearly as expensive. If your a collector or just have to have the original sound........great more power to you!!!!!! But if you just want to play without spending an arm and a leg these other options are very attractive. regards, Dr. Charles P. kcbass1@... wrote: I`m sorry that my fanatical attitude towards Hammond |
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Re: [hammond_zone] further explainations
Jimmy Lange
Yeah Marc Yeah, yeah YEAH....exactly right!
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???????????????????????????????????????????? Jimmy Marc Saint-F¨¦lix wrote: In my opinion the name "B-3" gathers every Hammond organ with the same kind of tonewheel generator like A, B, C, RT series. I am a fanatic of those and am proud of it. But when I wanna talk about them, I have to admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of a shortcut, and I think a lot of people do the same. I even know artists who use C-3's or A-100's in studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet of their CD's. Maybe It's a kind of a label which involves a type of tonewheel generator. Keeping in mind that the RT-3 is a little different, we all know the inside of all those organs are exactly the same : the keyboard, motor, and generator of a unit were all built independently from the model. Then each unit was assigned to a wood cabinet. Once again, I have to admit my favorite cabinet is the B-3 : the thin legs, the curves, the body... just a matter of taste. By the way, take a look at the very first Hammond organ ever built, the model A number 1 and the B-3 cabinet kind of look alike, don't they?...Please don't say a love affair is absurd, the B-3 is the most famous organ ever, the longest production of the Hammond factory, there must certainly be a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons of money, an old car, but I don't care at all, the world could crumble, I thank God every day for giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him twice it's a B-3 and a 122.Best regards,?Marc. |
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A-100
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDear Guillermo,
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I believe you are right too, that people take
the A as being the A-100. Though A-100 is not the same cabinet as the C-3,
except for the A-105 which comes close in cabinet design, becourse of the
locking top.
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A-100 again is slimmer than the B-3 as they - the factory -
managed to squezze the electronics together tight in a more home-friendly
cabinet, even with additional amps and speakers!?
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Talking about the sound, the A-100 gives you - due to the
output amp - a fare fatter and warmer sound than the B-3. You can kind of say
that the A-100 is the final result, as it finishes the job done on the
B-3.? If you ever try the combination of A-100 two tupe leslies and two
Hammond tonecabinets, you will be surpriced.
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Best regards
Lars
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Fra: Guillermo Garcia Huidobro <ggha@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 1. juni 2001 02:26 Emne: [hammond_zone] The real model A Dear Lars,
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Again you are right.
The model A, first designed by Hammond is more
gracious than the last B3
Perhaps some people when they say A, they mean the
A-100, which is like the C3
Different things !!!
Lenny Dee had a white Hammond Model A with an
incredible Hi Fi Sound, since the fifties !!!
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further explainations
Marc Saint-F¨¦lix
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIn my opinion the name "B-3" gathers every Hammond
organ with the same kind of tonewheel generator like A, B, C, RT series. I am a
fanatic of those and am proud of it. But when I wanna talk about them, I have to
admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of a shortcut, and I think a lot of people do
the same. I even know artists who use C-3's or A-100's in studio and write
"Hammond B-3" on the booklet of their CD's. Maybe It's a kind of a label which
involves a type of tonewheel generator. Keeping in mind that the RT-3 is a
little different, we all know the inside of all those organs are exactly the
same : the keyboard, motor, and generator of a unit were all built independently
from the model. Then each unit was assigned to a wood cabinet. Once again, I
have to admit my favorite cabinet is the B-3 : the thin legs, the curves, the
body... just a matter of taste. By the way, take a look at the very first
Hammond organ ever built, the model A number 1 and the B-3 cabinet kind of look
alike, don't they?...
Please don't say a love affair is absurd, the B-3
is the most famous organ ever, the longest production of the Hammond factory,
there must certainly be a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons of
money, an old car, but I don't care?at all, the world could crumble, I
thank God every day for?giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him twice
it's a B-3 and a 122.
Best regards,
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Marc. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] My b3 in Heaven
Ron Newman
i'm not saying who i am either but i know, cos i play so dirty, they aint
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From: "bluesb3 player" <bluesb3@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:34 AM Subject: [hammond_zone] My b3 in Heaven i have read all the reports in this group about all the clones and all theme the best and i enjoy the best --- is the growel and the feel of the b3--the others like i can the b3--- there must be something because everythingelse is compared to it---i consider myself to be blessed to own one---whenone in heaven--- so if your one of those who get there you will find me in the |
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Re: [hammond_zone] further explainations
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWell Marc,
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I understand your feelings, but you are wrong on some of the
details regarding the simularities of the various model, though I get your
point.
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Looking on the model A, well you are right that
the B-3 is a copy-cat of that original design. Though it is more plump than the
original A. Actually the difference in size is substantial as the A is slimmer
and far more elegante than the B-3.
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Best regards
Lars
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Fra: Marc Saint-F¨¦lix <marc.saint-felix@...> Til: Hammond Zone <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 31. maj 2001 16:57 Emne: [hammond_zone] further explainations In my opinion the name "B-3" gathers
every Hammond organ with the same kind of tonewheel generator like A, B, C, RT
series. I am a fanatic of those and am proud of it. But when I wanna talk about
them, I have to admit I use the word B-3 as a kind of a shortcut, and I think a
lot of people do the same. I even know artists who use C-3's or A-100's in
studio and write "Hammond B-3" on the booklet of their CD's. Maybe
It's a kind of a label which involves a type of tonewheel generator. Keeping in
mind that the RT-3 is a little different, we all know the inside of all those
organs are exactly the same : the keyboard, motor, and generator of a unit were
all built independently from the model. Then each unit was assigned to a wood
cabinet. Once again, I have to admit my favorite cabinet is the B-3 : the thin
legs, the curves, the body... just a matter of taste. By the way, take a look at
the very first Hammond organ ever built, the model A number 1 and the B-3
cabinet kind of look alike, don't they?...
Please don't say a love affair is absurd, the B-3
is the most famous organ ever, the longest production of the Hammond factory,
there must certainly be a good reason. I live in a small appartment, no tons of
money, an old car, but I don't care?at all, the world could crumble, I
thank God every day for?giving me a Hammond and a Leslie. I thank Him twice
it's a B-3 and a 122.
Best regards,
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Re: [hammond_zone] To all concerned, I`m sorry
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
Super B with 410 (412?) is a nice set-up. Very powerfull leslie and fundamentally a good organ sound. Even looks nice in this B-3 deco style.
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I played one some years ago, all high polished black even the Leslie. Very nice. And as a practise instrument it is just great, and I agree with you 100%. The B-3 fever is most likely not to find a normal level, but that is OK, it will leave so many more of the other models for the non-inflicted. Don?t get me wrong - I have a B-3 myself - but it is not put at higher rang than my model A, which I still believe is the only real Hammond, as this was the very first one Mr. Hammond ever made!!! It is kind of an Adam for the organs. Best regards lars -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: ckeithp@... <ckeithp@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 31. maj 2001 23:12 Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] To all concerned, I`m sorry I'm primarily a pianist and just bought a Hammond Super B and a leslie 410. |
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My b3 in Heaven
bluesb3 player
i have read all the reports in this group about all the clones and all the hammonds--- i have a b3 and 122- a porta-b with an 822 -a xb2 which i sometimes play through the 822---- and have played about all the other hammonds- the a's b's c's m's--- but i have to tell you the one that fits me the best and i enjoy the best --- is the growel and the feel of the b3--
after playing the b3 - i just can't seem to get the satisfaction out of the others like i can the b3--- there must be something because everything else is compared to it---i consider myself to be blessed to own one---when traveling i use the xb2 with the 822- and i can live with it---- i play my b3 in church and it screems-- we rock- i have to beleive there will be one in heaven--- so if your one of those who get there you will find me in the back part of heaven -with my b3 having me a time---hope to see you there-- blues b3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at |
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To all concerned, I`m sorry
I`m sorry that my fanatical attitude towards Hammond
organs has helped inflate the prices. I`m struggling right now just to own an XK2. I have to sell my bass boat in order to own this thing. None of these things have happened yet. My love of Hammonds is based on my belief in God. I haven`t seen or heard anything that brings harmony to the spirit of Christ like the sound of an Hammond organ. I`ve attended churches that had real pipe organs, complete bands, etc. Nothing produced that "Love of God" feeling like that 'B3" screaming off like they do. My love of God will not decrease if all Hammonds disappeared tomorrow. But I cannot deny its effect on God`s people. In the right hands, its effect can overshadow the preacher. I know this is not what God intended, only 1 chapter in the Bible is devoted to song. But God I thank you for letting the "B3" exist.-- Jesus is my KIng. |
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On the central importance of Leslie Speakers
Guillermo Garcia Huidobro
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Again you right. I own three Hammonds: the A-105 I told you that I bought in England in 1976, being probably one of the latest produced, because it was owned by Boossey & Hawks the British Hammond Dealer and it was sent to their South African Dealership when the Rodhesia Independence started. They closed their operations in South Africa and broght the organ to London, where I had to wait almost two years until they decided to sell it to me. At the time I bought my A-105, which looks like a C3 but with amplifier, like the one Keith Emerson uses, of course I wanted to buy a B3, because I like the cabinet. It was designed during the years that Laurence Hammond was in charge an produced the Model A, it has something in common with the grand piano frontal part, it is open to see the pedals, and perhaps the best atribute it is that the organist can play facing the audience and not exposing his back...which could be dangerous (kill the pianist, remember?). But I am growing increasingly happier with my console. it is much stronger than the B3 which tends to end very sloppy on his legs. I own a Spinet L-111 (mahogany as well) which I connected to every possible amplifier that existed during the sixties (Fender, Marshall, Macintosh, Home Made, etc) and never liked its sound until I got a Leslie 145 from a friend that had an A-100 and bought the real thing a Leslie 122 So as soon as I bought my A-105 I bought a Leslie 122. The combination is absolutely great. The third Hammond I have is a Hammond-Suzuki XB-2 which is nice for transportation but it is very far away from the real thing. I have played the new Hammond Suzuki B-3000 with the largest leslie available. The sound is unbelievable thanks to the Leslie. The closest thing to a real Hammond Tonewheel. During the sixties I used to play a Hammond C3 with a PR-40 with a very funny reverberation unit which reduced the quality of the sound. I now Hammond Organist of the sixties, among them Brian Auger, who proud themselves of playing only with PR-40s and no Leslie. It is certainly a matter of taste. The Hammond Organ Corp itself looked down to Leslies and try everything, first to combat them, and then to copy them. A total failure and the start of the decline of the Hammond sound. After the owner left the Company it was taken over by executives that did not like the Hammond Sound. They were the creators of the Chord Organ, the Solovox, and other electronic alternatives. They thought that Wurlitzer was the leader they had to beat. Buy Yamaha took over and that was the end. The X-66, X-77, Concorde and alikes were a total disaster. But again it is a matter of taste. There are great enthusiasts of those late models. But not for people like Joe DeFrancesco, Jimmy Smith, Jimmy McGriff, Richard Groove Holmes, Johnny Hammond Smith, John Patton, Keith Emerson. Santana, etc. Long live the original tonewheel generators (full generator not the spinet versions) and their best friends a good Leslie 122 and a well serviced PR-40. Do you know Lenny Dee the greatest American Hammond Organ Player? Please visit my Web Sites: www.geocities.com/hammond_lennydee www.geocities.com/hammond_lennydee_b3 www.geocities.com/hammond_b3_lennydee You can listen to clips, read commentries, and look at photos Long live Denmark the country with the happiest people on earth ggha@... ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" <Hammond@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Hammond is more than B-3, B-3 and B-3 Dear Guillermo, Nice to find someone who agrees with me. You are Right not being fanatic with the B3 does not mean that we do not like it. Basically the same construction as to generator, amp and keyboard was used in all the various "B-versions". D-100, RT-3, A-100, C-3 and B-3 all are the same inside (to some extend!) And even looking one generation back the line to the B-2, C-2 and RT-2 we have the same basic except for the percussion thing. One of the major differences in the sound is also due to the Leslie connection. The issue of Hammonds own tonecabinets is rarly discussed, and using those you get a totally different out-put on you music. And using both - Leslie and Tonecabinets - gives you an even fatter and warmer sound. Do not underestimate the PR-40 for instance. This sounds great together with the Leslie. I have a very special Hammond - the Aeolian-Hammond model BA. Kind of the first "automatic" keyboards, with a build in play-along-function. Still it is from 1938! - It works perfectly and sounds even better. But the sound is due also partly to the special DR-20 and DXR-20. And here you find a rotor-drum in front of the speakers. I did not say Leslie, becourse it is two Hammond Tonecabinets! -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Guillermo Garcia Huidobro <ggha@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 30. maj 2001 19:35 Emne: [hammond_zone] You are absolutely right Lars Dear Lars, You are right. The B3 fanatical wave is absurd. The wave is producing an inflationary impact that is nice for their owners and collectors fans. But I love my A-105, and its cabinet too. The point should be to support the tone wheel generator sound of the real Hammonds A, B, C, R Guillermo Garcia-Huidobro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" <Hammond@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future During time I have had and played many different Hammond organs. Each and every one of them having its very own personallity. Everybody talks about the B3 as being the ultimate Hammond, but I am not one of them. For me the B3 is a great organ, but by fare the only one within the Hammond family. I know what you mean regarding the cabinet and the feeling. There is something special to it, especially put next to a XK2 or XB1. No doubt. But then again these two junior models are not supposed to replace the B3 or for that matter the XB3. They only help you being mobile and saves you back! They represent a compromise in that respect, and as such they do a great job. I know I have played some places where I am happy to be alive due to the XK2 as in fact I could not have managed to have had the B moved into these small rooms and up and down the stairs. B3 is a representative for what Hammond made back in the mid ?50s. But looking for the authentic Hammond you have to go back to the beginning, and here you find a different sound. The discussion can go on and on, becourse different sound also relate to different music, I know. Main point for me is though that I do not appriciate the fanatic B3 attitude, it kind of limits the idea and the music as intended by Hammond in the first place. Best regards Lars -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: kcbass1@... <kcbass1@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 29. maj 2001 01:32 Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future Dear Lars, Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Tonewheel or not ?!
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
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Thanks, You are right to, that it is all a matter of taste. My major point is only that nobody should look down on other Hammond products just due to the fact that the B-3 is around. If it where not for the invention of the A, and the organ evolution up to the B-3, the B-3 would never have been around! You are wrong though in your view on the more funny models like Chord organs and alike. Laurens Hammond and his staff did the job on those. At Hammond the design and evolution of the organ where always in focus. After the introduction of the A, Mr. Hammond looked around and said what now? Would there be other ways of doing this? and the company had to do something to expand and keep the leading position. Looking with the eyes of today we all tend to forget that at the present time back in 1938 when the BA came around or the Novachord was invented. These instruments where really new! Today you do not play them, they are more like for a museum, but still they represent a part of the hammond history that is important and valuable. One of the most succesfull models for Hammond was also the small - first - spinet on the market - the M. This model also had is evolution up to the M-3. I do not agree with you that X-66 and the smaller X-77 where disaster models for Hammond. Nor the Concorde or alike. I have played them all, and when I do so I play them as representative for a certain period of time in history. Especially the X-66 is great, but playing Jazz on this organ, sounds kind of funny. Ken Griffen though is great. And all cinema sounding melodies really do get big sound. I know that many do look down on the models from the 70?s (Concorde and alike) but don?t. They where great for Hammond, despite the fact that here Hammond was not able to follow the competition. Ever played the Concorde with two Leslies, using melodies from My Fair Lady? You mentioned the B-3000 - though I believe you think of the XB-3 - this model (B3000) was also from the late 70?s and It is a great organ, with a special sound alright. I have a record with a guy named Chris Anderson, and it is unbelievable. Again a question of being able to pull out of the organ what it got. And this model really got something. Even the latest model from the old factory back in 1986 - the elegante - was a very powerfull organ. Yet very much behind in technologi at the time of presentation, but the sound was OK. The discussion of Tonewheel or Non-Tonewheel is endless. I just want people to have an open mind to "the other-side", in effort to learn more about the evolution in Hammond, and to respect that all models do represent its value, and in total did make Hammond to the leader. Best regards Lars -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Guillermo Garcia Huidobro <ggha@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 30. maj 2001 22:29 Emne: [hammond_zone] On the central importance of Leslie Speakers Dear Lars, Again you right. I own three Hammonds: the A-105 I told you that I bought in England in 1976, being probably one of the latest produced, because it was owned by Boossey & Hawks the British Hammond Dealer and it was sent to their South African Dealership when the Rodhesia Independence started. They closed their operations in South Africa and broght the organ to London, where I had to wait almost two years until they decided to sell it to me. At the time I bought my A-105, which looks like a C3 but with amplifier, like the one Keith Emerson uses, of course I wanted to buy a B3, because I like the cabinet. It was designed during the years that Laurence Hammond was in charge an produced the Model A, it has something in common with the grand piano frontal part, it is open to see the pedals, and perhaps the best atribute it is that the organist can play facing the audience and not exposing his back...which could be dangerous (kill the pianist, remember?). But I am growing increasingly happier with my console. it is much stronger than the B3 which tends to end very sloppy on his legs. I own a Spinet L-111 (mahogany as well) which I connected to every possible amplifier that existed during the sixties (Fender, Marshall, Macintosh, Home Made, etc) and never liked its sound until I got a Leslie 145 from a friend that had an A-100 and bought the real thing a Leslie 122 So as soon as I bought my A-105 I bought a Leslie 122. The combination is absolutely great. The third Hammond I have is a Hammond-Suzuki XB-2 which is nice for transportation but it is very far away from the real thing. I have played the new Hammond Suzuki B-3000 with the largest leslie available. The sound is unbelievable thanks to the Leslie. The closest thing to a real Hammond Tonewheel. During the sixties I used to play a Hammond C3 with a PR-40 with a very funny reverberation unit which reduced the quality of the sound. I now Hammond Organist of the sixties, among them Brian Auger, who proud themselves of playing only with PR-40s and no Leslie. It is certainly a matter of taste. The Hammond Organ Corp itself looked down to Leslies and try everything, first to combat them, and then to copy them. A total failure and the start of the decline of the Hammond sound. After the owner left the Company it was taken over by executives that did not like the Hammond Sound.. They were the creators of the Chord Organ, the Solovox, and other electronic alternatives. They thought that Wurlitzer was the leader they had to beat. Buy Yamaha took over and that was the end. The X-66, X-77, Concorde and alikes were a total disaster. But again it is a matter of taste. There are great enthusiasts of those late models. But not for people like Joe DeFrancesco, Jimmy Smith, Jimmy McGriff, Richard Groove Holmes, Johnny Hammond Smith, John Patton, Keith Emerson. Santana, etc. Long live the original tonewheel generators (full generator not the spinet versions) and their best friends a good Leslie 122 and a well serviced PR-40. Do you know Lenny Dee the greatest American Hammond Organ Player? Please visit my Web Sites: www.geocities.com/hammond_lennydee www.geocities.com/hammond_lennydee_b3 www.geocities.com/hammond_b3_lennydee You can listen to clips, read commentries, and look at photos Long live Denmark the country with the happiest people on earth ggha@... ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" <Hammond@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Hammond is more than B-3, B-3 and B-3 Dear Guillermo, Nice to find someone who agrees with me. You are Right not being fanatic with the B3 does not mean that we do not like it. Basically the same construction as to generator, amp and keyboard was used in all the various "B-versions". D-100, RT-3, A-100, C-3 and B-3 all are the same inside (to some extend!) And even looking one generation back the line to the B-2, C-2 and RT-2 we have the same basic except for the percussion thing. One of the major differences in the sound is also due to the Leslie connection. The issue of Hammonds own tonecabinets is rarly discussed, and using those you get a totally different out-put on you music. And using both - Leslie and Tonecabinets - gives you an even fatter and warmer sound. Do not underestimate the PR-40 for instance. This sounds great together with the Leslie. I have a very special Hammond - the Aeolian-Hammond model BA. Kind of the first "automatic" keyboards, with a build in play-along-function. Still it is from 1938! - It works perfectly and sounds even better. But the sound is due also partly to the special DR-20 and DXR-20. And here you find a rotor-drum in front of the speakers. I did not say Leslie, becourse it is two Hammond Tonecabinets! -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Guillermo Garcia Huidobro <ggha@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 30. maj 2001 19:35 Emne: [hammond_zone] You are absolutely right Lars Dear Lars, You are right. The B3 fanatical wave is absurd. The wave is producing an inflationary impact that is nice for their owners and collectors fans. But I love my A-105, and its cabinet too. The point should be to support the tone wheel generator sound of the real Hammonds A, B, C, R Guillermo Garcia-Huidobro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" <Hammond@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future During time I have had and played many different Hammond organs. Each and every one of them having its very own personallity. Everybody talks about the B3 as being the ultimate Hammond, but I am not one of them. For me the B3 is a great organ, but by fare the only one within the Hammond family. I know what you mean regarding the cabinet and the feeling. There is something special to it, especially put next to a XK2 or XB1. No doubt. But then again these two junior models are not supposed to replace the B3 or for that matter the XB3. They only help you being mobile and saves you back! They represent a compromise in that respect, and as such they do a great job. I know I have played some places where I am happy to be alive due to the XK2 as in fact I could not have managed to have had the B moved into these small rooms and up and down the stairs. B3 is a representative for what Hammond made back in the mid ?50s. But looking for the authentic Hammond you have to go back to the beginning, and here you find a different sound. The discussion can go on and on, becourse different sound also relate to different music, I know. Main point for me is though that I do not appriciate the fanatic B3 attitude, it kind of limits the idea and the music as intended by Hammond in the first place. Best regards Lars -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: kcbass1@... <kcbass1@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 29. maj 2001 01:32 Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future Dear Lars, Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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You are absolutely right Lars
Guillermo Garcia Huidobro
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You are right. The B3 fanatical wave is absurd. The wave is producing an inflationary impact that is nice for their owners and collectors fans. But I love my A-105, and its cabinet too. The point should be to support the tone wheel generator sound of the real Hammonds A, B, C, R Guillermo Garcia-Huidobro ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" <Hammond@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future During time I have had and played many different Hammond organs. Each and every one of them having its very own personallity. Everybody talks about the B3 as being the ultimate Hammond, but I am not one of them. For me the B3 is a great organ, but by fare the only one within the Hammond family. I know what you mean regarding the cabinet and the feeling. There is something special to it, especially put next to a XK2 or XB1. No doubt. But then again these two junior models are not supposed to replace the B3 or for that matter the XB3. They only help you being mobile and saves you back! They represent a compromise in that respect, and as such they do a great job. I know I have played some places where I am happy to be alive due to the XK2 as in fact I could not have managed to have had the B moved into these small rooms and up and down the stairs. B3 is a representative for what Hammond made back in the mid ?50s. But looking for the authentic Hammond you have to go back to the beginning, and here you find a different sound. The discussion can go on and on, becourse different sound also relate to different music, I know. Main point for me is though that I do not appriciate the fanatic B3 attitude, it kind of limits the idea and the music as intended by Hammond in the first place. Best regards Lars -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: kcbass1@... <kcbass1@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 29. maj 2001 01:32 Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future Dear Lars, Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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You are absolutely right Lars
Guillermo Garcia Huidobro
Dear Lars,
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You are right. The B3 fanatical wave is absurd. The wave is producing an inflationary impact that is nice for their owners and collectors fans. But I love my A-105, and its cabinet too. Guillermo Garcia-Huidobro ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" <Hammond@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future During time I have had and played many different Hammond organs. Each and every one of them having its very own personallity. Everybody talks about the B3 as being the ultimate Hammond, but I am not one of them. For me the B3 is a great organ, but by fare the only one within the Hammond family. I know what you mean regarding the cabinet and the feeling. There is something special to it, especially put next to a XK2 or XB1. No doubt. But then again these two junior models are not supposed to replace the B3 or for that matter the XB3. They only help you being mobile and saves you back! They represent a compromise in that respect, and as such they do a great job. I know I have played some places where I am happy to be alive due to the XK2 as in fact I could not have managed to have had the B moved into these small rooms and up and down the stairs. B3 is a representative for what Hammond made back in the mid ?50s. But looking for the authentic Hammond you have to go back to the beginning, and here you find a different sound. The discussion can go on and on, becourse different sound also relate to different music, I know. Main point for me is though that I do not appriciate the fanatic B3 attitude, it kind of limits the idea and the music as intended by Hammond in the first place. Best regards Lars -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: kcbass1@... <kcbass1@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 29. maj 2001 01:32 Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future Dear Lars, Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future
Jimmy Lange
Hey Hammond Lovers Old & New,
I guess I love taking my B-3 out to shows maybe because I still CAN. My wife is very understanding....she knows I loved the classic Hammond sound as a youngster before I even started liking girls! My friends were all out riding their bikes and stuff while I was up in my room trying to steal licks from old blues & jazz records ( Don Patterson, Groove Holmes, Allman Brothers, Brian Auger, etc. ) Yeah, records!....remember those? I owned my first Leslie ( 147 ) six months before I could save up the rest of my Pizza Hut wages to get my first Hammond ( an old A which I still have )! I used to polish and shine that thing and just sit there and watch it spin...my folks became a bit worried about me after awhile, but now they see where it was all headed. I have two B-3 / 122 rigs here at the house and not because I can necessarily afford it. One is my stage rig ( still in decent shape even after 21 years and 500+ shows ) and the second is a sweet, immaculate living room set that was moved TWICE in its life....the second time to MY HOUSE where it will stay. I play it all the time but must be careful not to drool. Like I said, not because I have tons of money or anything but because this is my passion. At a show over the weekend someone told me " when you play that thing you look like you and the organ are connected...like you're part of the same thing! " WOW! That is EXACTLY how it feels to me and I'm so amazed that someone picked up on that. Somethin's gotta' be goin' right! Maybe someday my back will give out or my fellow players will no longer want to help me haul the beast around to gigs. I'll cross the clone bridge when I come to it, but 'til then I'll be sittin' behind a console Hammond and loving every second of it! Fanatical and unashamed, Jimmy Lange |
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Re: NativeInstruments B4
Fetter, Brad
I have worked with it, but had trouble with Delay or latency when using it,
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From: Ron Newman [mailto:ron.newman2@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:43 AM To: hammond_zone@... Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future Have you tried the Native Instrument's B4? I'd be interested to know what Hammond owners think of it. I think it's extremely good. Ron. ----- Original Message ----- From: <kcbass1@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future Dear Lars, Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Hammond for ever
Marc Saint-F¨¦lix
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýNo, Hammonds will never die. And I don't think
clones are to kill the real stuff, on the contrary they are to promote it. As
far as I'm concerned there's no way I can move my B-3 out of my appartment. It
took a truck to bring it next to the place where I live and 6 people to get it
upstairs. I will surely not do that every day!! Now it stands in my living room
and will stay there for good. So what am I supposed to do? give up the legendary
hammond sound on stage? No way. The XB-1 suits my purpose : I can carry it
anywhere anytime. I?believe it allows me to "preach" a sample of the
Hammond sound, and that's what I mean by "promoting" it.
If I hadn't a clone, there would be no Hammond at
all on my stage. I would definitely miss it.
On the other hand, clone designers are constantly
getting closer to the real stuff, and I would blame professional keyboardists
for using the XB series instead of B or C. If they have the possibility to carry
the beast, it's a shame they don't do it. It's always a great feeling to go to a
concert and see the old Hammond screaming back on the stage. Lately I?saw a
concert in Paris, it was a famous french artist who's used to playing the B-3 in
studio. On the big stage, 15 musiciens, one of them was playing
a?vulgar?XB-2. When I see that, I wish clones had never existed.
Anyway It's a hard question to settle, what do you
guys think?
Cheers,
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Marc.
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Hammond is more than B-3, B-3 and B-3
Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
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Nice to find someone who agrees with me. You are Right not being fanatic with the B3 does not mean that we do not like it. Basically the same construction as to generator, amp and keyboard was used in all the various "B-versions". D-100, RT-3, A-100, C-3 and B-3 all are the same inside (to some extend!) And even looking one generation back the line to the B-2, C-2 and RT-2 we have the same basic except for the percussion thing. One of the major differences in the sound is also due to the Leslie connection. The issue of Hammonds own tonecabinets is rarly discussed, and using those you get a totally different out-put on you music. And using both - Leslie and Tonecabinets - gives you an even fatter and warmer sound. Do not underestimate the PR-40 for instance. This sounds great together with the Leslie. I have a very special Hammond - the Aeolian-Hammond model BA. Kind of the first "automatic" keyboards, with a build in play-along-function. Still it is from 1938! - It works perfectly and sounds even better. But the sound is due also partly to the special DR-20 and DXR-20. And here you find a rotor-drum in front of the speakers. I did not say Leslie, becourse it is two Hammond Tonecabinets! -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Guillermo Garcia Huidobro <ggha@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 30. maj 2001 19:35 Emne: [hammond_zone] You are absolutely right Lars Dear Lars, You are right. The B3 fanatical wave is absurd. The wave is producing an inflationary impact that is nice for their owners and collectors fans. But I love my A-105, and its cabinet too. The point should be to support the tone wheel generator sound of the real Hammonds A, B, C, R Guillermo Garcia-Huidobro ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" <Hammond@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Sv: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future During time I have had and played many different Hammond organs. Each and every one of them having its very own personallity. Everybody talks about the B3 as being the ultimate Hammond, but I am not one of them. For me the B3 is a great organ, but by fare the only one within the Hammond family. I know what you mean regarding the cabinet and the feeling. There is something special to it, especially put next to a XK2 or XB1. No doubt. But then again these two junior models are not supposed to replace the B3 or for that matter the XB3. They only help you being mobile and saves you back! They represent a compromise in that respect, and as such they do a great job. I know I have played some places where I am happy to be alive due to the XK2 as in fact I could not have managed to have had the B moved into these small rooms and up and down the stairs. B3 is a representative for what Hammond made back in the mid ?50s. But looking for the authentic Hammond you have to go back to the beginning, and here you find a different sound. The discussion can go on and on, becourse different sound also relate to different music, I know. Main point for me is though that I do not appriciate the fanatic B3 attitude, it kind of limits the idea and the music as intended by Hammond in the first place. Best regards Lars -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: kcbass1@... <kcbass1@...> Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...> Dato: 29. maj 2001 01:32 Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future Dear Lars, Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: Does Any Body ???
Hi Reza,
You really should subscribe to the Clonewheel Support Group (CWSG) which is also on www.groups.yahoo.com. That group is dedicated to electronic Hammond clones. I'm sure there are some people on the group who use the Roland 60's & 70's card, but I think most of the users prefer the Voce, Korg and Hammond clones... Once you become a member, go and look through the archives, there's TONS of good info there. Check it out. -Scott |
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Does Any Body ???
reza sh
hi everybody
i'v got a roland sound module with a Hammond expansion board installed ( actualy hammond,farfisa,vox,rhodes... called " keyboards of 60s & 70s). does any body do the same ? or have any idea about that ? besides, where i'm livin' there's not much resources for learning ( say ) Hammond technics, do u know any online tradings ? Reza __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices |
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